1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Now you would have heard us speaking just a short 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: time ago to well to one of the tourism operators 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: in Central Australia who'd been a terrible situation over the 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: weekend where they had been driving back into town after 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: a full day tour and rocks were hurled at that bus, 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: that tour bus while there was tourists inside, smashing the windows. 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: It's a big concern, but sadly not a surprise. I 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: don't think out of Central Australia at this point when 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: we hear about the issues that they are experiencing with crime, 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: particularly with alleged youth crime. Now joining me on the 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: line is Nicole Walsh from the Chamber of Commerce. Good 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: morning to you, Nicole. 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: Great to have you on the show. Nicole. I know 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: that this issue of crime in Central Australia is something 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: that the Chambers has been raising for a little while 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: and is a big concern for some of your members. 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: Oh. Look, absolutely no doubt that this is you know, 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: we have been talking about as you said, we have 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: talking about this for a while and the concern from 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: the business community and community overall, but past the business 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: community and members is it's a huge concern and you know, 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 2: it's it's wiring what we're seeing over the weekend as well. 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: Now, Nicole, from your perspective and from the perspective of 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: businesses in Central Australia, what do they want to see 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: happen here? 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: There's quite a few things that they want to see happening, 28 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: and we're actually we're part of the historic the social 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: order responsive limitations really which is a really good thing 30 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: for the Chamber to be involved with, so we can 31 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 2: actually be asking and putting for these ideas. But businesses 32 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: just really want to see some first something to stop 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: what's going on. I think that there's no doubt that 34 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: there's you know, they just need something that's a sort 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: of a stop gap. There's a piece around consequences with 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: other wrap around processes around that, particularly with young people 37 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: as well, some more control over their business space and 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: what's happening in their businesses. So they really just wanted 39 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: to stop with understanding that there's other stuff that needs 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: to be done at the background again about those wrap 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: around processes and other things. So I just yeah, it's 42 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: been hard. 43 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: Now with some of those wrap around processes, Like I 44 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: guess in that instance, what are businesses saying to you, 45 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: are they saying that they want things like victim conferencing? 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: What are they saying? Oh? 47 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: Look absolutely businesses always said that they want to be 48 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: part of the solution as well. Sometimes again they just 49 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: need something to stop gap that. But they do want 50 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: to be part of the victim impact conferencing calls which 51 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: I've done, interview which I've done with myself as well 52 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: a few years ago, which I've found very very beneficial. 53 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: They really want to understand what the use of use 54 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: of version processes are. And then also again going back 55 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: into that piece around you know, what is out there, 56 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: how can they be part of it, or what their 57 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: expectations are on some of these other providers as well. 58 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: But as part of that Storic committee again the Chamber 59 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: actually has the opportunity to really look at that and 60 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: see what's happening, which is which is really good us. 61 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: We can pass it on to the Chamber and the 62 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: business community and. 63 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: In the in the interim, you know, for a lot 64 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: of people right now, what they want, like you said, 65 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: is that stop gap, but they want want something to 66 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: sort of happen immediately. What are the businesses in Central 67 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Australia saying in that space. 68 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: It's a really hard one, but there's no doubt again 69 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: there there's different bits about some immediate consequences or some 70 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: immediate you know, getting some big service from some really 71 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: strong service providers in and I know a lot of 72 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: work's being done on the ground behind that. So I 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: think again going back to this committee, it's really working 74 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: out how we can actually do something, to do everything 75 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: to really have an impact on what's going on, so 76 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: wrap around services, you know, police everything. At the moment, 77 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: we all need to work together because I think that's 78 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: the stop gap. Really, it's something that can happen and 79 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: we can do it together. Yeah, separation and. 80 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: It sort of reached the point where it has to, 81 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: doesn't it. You know, like it's having a debilitating effect 82 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: on people. Yeah. 83 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: Look, and we've got the most amazing towns, but the 84 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: most amazing people like the rest of the Northern Church. 85 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: And I know that we're not the only ones. I'm 86 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: based in Alice Springs obviously carrying the church, You're not 87 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: the only ones impacted by this. But where we're really looking, 88 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: we can actually do that. We do need to do 89 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: it together, We need to do it. To this committee, 90 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: accountability is a big part of this, so it is 91 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: I think that's the only way to go forward and 92 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: we need some really strong, strong movement in this space 93 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: as well. 94 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicole, when you talk more generally about the territory broadly, 95 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: I know that even this morning there are some businesses 96 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: meeting up talking about crime. There is you know, there's 97 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: always concerns what a business is saying sort of up 98 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: towards the top end as well. At the moment. 99 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: Yes, we again really interesting as move throughout the territory. 100 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: It's stunning to I mean, there's always no doubt you know, 101 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: every cross every country, across every city is not just 102 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: in the Northern territory, and we know that that it's 103 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: hard when when it's impacting you in your life directly. 104 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 2: But they are saying that sort of the behavior sometimes 105 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: that we're getting in Central Australia probably have been seen 106 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: a little bit more throughout the whole territory as well, 107 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: and we know that everyone's trying to you know, it's 108 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: taken a while to get here, that it's going to 109 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: take a while to actually you get this sorted and 110 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: get this support. But yeah, they're saying the same things. 111 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: But you know some of the behavior and obviously the 112 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: break ins. I'll see something happening in Palmerston today as well. 113 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: I know Captain being impacted over the weekend in particular 114 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: as well. 115 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shame, you know. Like honestly, I'm at 116 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: the point where I wish there was other stuff for 117 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: us to I mean, there is other things to talk 118 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: about with, but where this wasn't such a huge issue 119 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: that people, you know, were so concerned about it that 120 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't at the forefront all the time. I do 121 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: really hope that we can get to the point where 122 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: there is some serious change. 123 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I don't think anyone in this space ever wants 124 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: to the people that are on this again, the Story 125 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: Committee and Alice Springs, who as you know, have sat 126 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: on these committals and he's done everything, who work in 127 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: the space of youth. No one wants to be in 128 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: this position. So I'm really hardened that. I hope we're 129 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 2: moving together forward as a whole community. As providers, we 130 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: need to look at local solutions. There does need to 131 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: be consequence as peace, but that's certainly not about that's 132 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: about sort of re engaging. There just needs to be 133 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 2: a whole lot of stuff done because we need to 134 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: really think outside the box. Yeah, we don't want to 135 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: be speaking about this every day. We've got amazing businesses, 136 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: amazing territory, We've got so many opportunities here and I 137 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: totally agree. 138 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicole Walsh. Always good to catch up with you. 139 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time this morning. 140 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: Great, thank you, thank you.