1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast It is not afraid to 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: say exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: so fetch, Thank you, hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: a first episode of twenty twenty two, which is exciting. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: I do love that everyone is jumping on Taylor Swift's 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I feeling twenty two, 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: so like that's mean. 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Let yeah, everyone is. 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: Saying that's kind of like the anthem of the year, 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: and it's got to be a good year if it 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: involves Taylor Swift. 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: It does. 17 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: I have noticed on Instagram over the year that everybody 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: was sharing the videos of all their highlights the reels. Yeah, 19 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: what did you think of that? 20 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: I really liked it. 21 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like a lot work highlight reels obviously, 22 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: and I did actually want to create my own, but 23 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: then I thought about it, and I don't feel myself 24 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: in the way a lot of people do. I mean 25 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: a lot of them were influencers who obviously have lots 26 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: of content on their years, but I really enjoyed them. 27 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was a nice way to reflect and 28 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: look back at your year. It's kind of like social 29 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: media had sort of grown up a bit, because it 30 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: used to be that you just post on Facebook or 31 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: on Instagram, and it was more of a caption bragging 32 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: about how amazing your year had been. But now it 33 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: was like, let me show you how amazing it is 34 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: via video. 35 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: I always want to know how. 36 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: Those viral trends happen, though, Like does just one person 37 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: share it and everyone thinks, oh wow, that's a cool idea. Yeah, 38 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: I feel like that is the case. Do you have 39 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: any New Year's resolutions? Well, my top resolution is to 40 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: be a little bit more organized and clean because my 41 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: house is generally a complete pig style. 42 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: I'm an absolutely peak at times, so publy that you 43 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: can admit that now, well I can. 44 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: I can. It was funny because we got home from 45 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: just a small New Year's gathering at Kate's house and 46 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: I think it was like two o'clock and I just 47 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: looked at my bathroom and I was like, right, it's 48 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: a new year. 49 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: I'm just going to clean this. I do it. I 50 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: did it. That's who I am. 51 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Because I felt that disgusted in myself, I wanted to 52 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: turn over a new leaf and. 53 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: Be this other person, that girl. Yes for that girl. 54 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: What about you? What's your news resolution? 55 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: Well, I've got two New Year's resolutions. One is to 56 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: get fit because I'm not a runner. I want to 57 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: start running. I've got my exercise bike. I just want 58 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: to be a fit person, so more a healthy and 59 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: fit person. Yeah. Yeah, it's more about like being able 60 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: to run five k's. 61 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: I've never been able to do that. 62 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: Al I'm going to hold you to this one because 63 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: I feel like lots of people create New Year's resolutions 64 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: and never stick to them. 65 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: Let's got to run this week, Okay, we can do that. 66 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: I mean it's more so I want to ride my bike. 67 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: I've got an exercise so you're already backtrack now, but 68 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: I feel like the bike is better than running. 69 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: But just said you want to run five k's. That's 70 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: why I want to get fit. Well, your money where 71 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: your mouth is and run five k's. We will, I will. 72 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: And the other one is just more of a career 73 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: thing because I am a videographer. I want to start 74 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: sharing more video content that I produce on my TikTok 75 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: and my reels. Well, I think those are two good ones. 76 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear what everyone else's New Year's resolution is. 77 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: I'll put a thread in our Facebook community which is 78 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: outspoken at the podcast community. Oh my goodness, angels, listen. 79 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: Today is literally going to be so exciting. 80 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: I have been looking forward to this day for about 81 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: a month. L Darby and Connor Swift have been forced 82 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: to apologize after their racist, homophobic, sexist, and fat phobic 83 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: tweets were exposed on TikTok. Now, before we get into it, Kate, 84 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: can you explain who Ell and Connor are so? L 85 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: is a UK influencer who started out on YouTube seven 86 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: years ago when she was eighteen, sharing fitness content. Now, 87 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: at twenty five, L shares lifestyle vlogs that feature her 88 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: fiance con and the six month old son Saint seven Swift, 89 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: which is quite a mouthful. Now she has seven hundred 90 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: and eighty two thousand followers on Instagram and six hundred 91 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: and eleven thousand subscribers on YouTube, while con has one 92 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety thousand on Instagram, now. Elle met Conn 93 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: when he slid into her dms on Instagram and the 94 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: pair have been together for seven years now. Now I 95 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: didn't know this until today, but they actually appeared on 96 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: UK reality TV show Make or Break Now. The show 97 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: puts couples to the test, forcing them to swap partners 98 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: with the other couples at a resort in Mexico. Remember 99 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: they had an Aussie version of this, and I think 100 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: it was like something nightmare. It was the seven year Switch. 101 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sorry, that was it. Seven year Switch. 102 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: It actually makes a lot more sense now that they 103 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: did appear on the show and also find a bit 104 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: of fame on there, because I feel like a lot 105 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: of UK people who follow Conn and l are always 106 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: speculating about their relationship and thinking that it's in trouble. 107 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: But they always fight on camera as well, and that's 108 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: kind of why I like watching them, because it's quite hilarious. Yeah, well, 109 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean apart from the fighting, I feel like Elle 110 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: really tries hard to put across a very wholesome family 111 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: vibe on her channel, and she calls her viewers angels, 112 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: which is a bit of a play on words with 113 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: her name being Elle Angels, and she took that name 114 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: one step further, launching a lounge where company called Angel Collection. 115 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Now Con also has his own active where company called 116 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: Swift Harrel, which copped a lot of flak for selling 117 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: very expensive active wear. Now, Sophie, can you talk us 118 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: through the controversy? Well, on New Year's Eve, old tweets 119 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: of Ell and Cons began making the rounds on TikTok, 120 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: and as you said, Amy, the tweets were of a racist, homophobic, sexist, 121 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: and fat phobic nature. Now, the tweets were posted back 122 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven and twenty twelve, when LL and Con 123 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: were around fifteen and sixteen years old. 124 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: So what did Elle's tweets say? 125 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Well, the worst part about this whole thing is it 126 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: wasn't just one tweet. There are countless tweets where LL 127 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: makes derogatory comments about different races, and it is quite 128 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: clear when you read through these tweets that her behavior 129 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: is systemic. Now, it appears that L used to make 130 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: a lot of her tweets on the bus driving into school. 131 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: So one of the tweets read, so I hope the 132 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: Polish twat driving the bus this morning who nearly kicked 133 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: me off because I didn't have my pass crash when 134 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: he dropped me at school. Another said the bus is 135 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: sweaty and stinks of Indians. She also tweeted I just 136 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: hate Polish peas people and Indians really now. There was 137 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: another bizarre tweet directed at a Polish contestant on Big Brother. 138 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: It said what your Polish piss off? Sucks to be you, babe. 139 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: Another alarming tweet read, I swear it's always Black History Month. 140 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: There was also another racist tweet that said why do 141 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: foreign people follow me? I don't speak your grunts, meat heads. 142 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: There was also another that said I really miss my laptop. 143 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: Wish the effing charger from Hong Kong would hurry up. 144 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: Come on, Chinks, you're upsetting me well. In addition to 145 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: these racist tweets, Elle also shared some fat phobic sentiments 146 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: on Twitter. 147 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: So she wrote, give direct looks to fat people. 148 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: It makes them realize people hate them, so they lose weight, 149 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: saving them from heart attacks and so this was a 150 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: quote from her mum that she put up. There was 151 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: also another that said, literally never felt so much hate 152 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: towards someone before. Normally not a bitch you tweet it, 153 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: but fuck you're a sea. So Conn's tweets were just 154 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: as bad. He used the N word several times and 155 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: wrote looked like a black man after work through all 156 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: the dust I collected, hashtag still looked hot. He also 157 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: made a derogatory, homophobic slur and referred to a female 158 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: taxi driver as a seven pound slut. He also made 159 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: a sexist remark in regards to female comedians being useless 160 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: and never funny, and to make matters even more awkward, 161 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: Elle and Con both posted their support for the Black 162 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: Lives Matters movement, which really looks like virtue signaling in 163 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: light of their racist tweets. Now, the controversy is yet 164 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: to affect Elle's follow account in a big way. She 165 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: did record ninety two followers yesterday. However, Con lost seven 166 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: hundred and forty four followers yesterday. Is not to say, though, 167 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: that people haven't unfollowed her, it's just yet to I 168 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: just think it's yet to hit main stream where a 169 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: lot of people know about this. I think that she 170 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: must have had a lot of people unfollowing her, though, 171 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: because she would be gaining thousands of followers by the 172 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: day someone with her large account, and to only get 173 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 1: ninety two follows there must have been a fair few 174 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: unfollowing to bring to that smaller number. I kind of 175 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: find it interesting that Con copped all of the unfollows, though, 176 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of people seem to 177 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: demonize him and blame him more than they do Lle. 178 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that, because I was wondering why 179 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: he had lost so many, But I just think it's 180 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: in comparison because I think She's got around seven hundred 181 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: thousand followers while he's got just under two hundred. So 182 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people only follow him because 183 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: of L So those people would have sort of been 184 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: having a closer look at their lives, and I think 185 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: those are the people that are more connected to L 186 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: and Con as a couple that follow him as well. 187 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: It is interesting, though, because Elle has deleted her TikTok account, 188 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: However CON's has remained up now. On year's eve, Ll 189 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: released an apology on behalf of herself and Con on 190 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: her Instagram story. It read Christmas and New Years are 191 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: traditionally a time for reflection, and as such, we have 192 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: decided to take some time to look through both of 193 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: our histories on socials. We are ashamed to admit that 194 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: we did not like what we found that both of 195 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: us were shocked, surprised, and devastated by some of the 196 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: language used in our very old tweets, in particular for 197 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: a decade ago. We feel that we have a responsibility 198 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: for our actions, especially the ones that don't paint us 199 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: in the best light. These comments are not a reflection 200 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: of who either of us are as grown adults or 201 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: not who we were at the time they were made, 202 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: and do not align with what we stand for. We 203 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: are beyond angry at ourselves and a shame that our 204 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: behavior will have been hurtful to some of you who 205 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: have supported our family for so long. We can only 206 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: wish for your forgiveness, Have a great New Year's Eve, 207 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: and stay safe, Love always, Connor and l I think 208 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: it's really important to point out a few things about 209 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:32,239 Speaker 1: this apology. 210 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: Firstly, it's been. 211 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: Made on Elle's Instagram story, not her main feed, and 212 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: I think it would have been more genuine if she 213 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: actually made the post on her main feed or even 214 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: on a YouTube video dedicated to it. There's also a 215 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: few words and phrases that really stand out like a 216 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: sore thumb to me that dilute how genuine this apology 217 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: is so l refers to the tweets as very old tweets, 218 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: in particular over a decade ago, and also that they 219 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: don't reflect who they are as her own adults. Now, 220 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: it's quite clear that she's trying to deflect blame and 221 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: trying to pass it off as a mistake that she 222 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: made as a child. 223 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: I really don't think that's the case at all. 224 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think that by her pointing out the 225 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: timeline of these comments means that she's not genuinely sorry 226 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: for them. I think what she and many other influences 227 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: and people in the public eye who get caught out 228 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: for these type of things are trying to do is 229 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: point out that ten years ago, sadly, this sort of 230 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: commentary was quite commonplace. At the time, we weren't living 231 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: in such a woke society or a developed society that 232 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: we now know that this sort of commentary is wrong. 233 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: See Sophie, I'm kind of when I first saw that 234 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: these racist tweets had emerged, I assumed it might be 235 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: casual racism like we saw with Georgia Love, which of 236 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: course isn't acceptable. But I think it was, as you said, 237 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: quite normal ten years ago. However, to me, this was 238 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: so much worse than I thought it would be. I'm 239 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: actually surprised that this stuff was allowed to be posted 240 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: ten years ago. I don't know if this would have 241 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: been great ten years ago. It's certainly disgusting now, but yeah, 242 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: I was surprised. Oh, they were absolutely foul and inexcusable comments. 243 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: I think the reason the comments are also so shocking 244 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: is because Elle does pass herself off as being this 245 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: quite wholesome influencer who's very kind and loving, and although perhaps, 246 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: as she said, they don't reflect the way she feels now, 247 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of her followers would be very 248 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: hurt by these comments, particularly people who fall into those 249 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: different nationalities. On the other hand, though, I also feel 250 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: like as influencers rise and become more popular, there is 251 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: this whole phenomenon of people wanting to catch influencers out 252 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: for past behavior, and I am really confused as to 253 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: why a manager or Elle or Conn themselves did not 254 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: delete these comments on Twitter, and that they were so 255 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: easily available to find. I do actually think that phenomenon 256 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: is really interesting, so because I feel like Con and 257 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: Elle are kind of like this Sarah's Day and Kurt 258 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: Tills of the UK influencer world in that there are 259 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: a lot of tattle life threads about Con and l 260 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: and there are always a lot of rumors about the 261 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: status of their relationship and a lot of people don't 262 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: like them in the UK. So I wonder if these 263 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: if this collection of these tweets was part of kind 264 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: of a smear campaign against Ellen Conn. But even with TikTok, 265 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: I feel like more everyday people are using TikTok as 266 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: a tool to try and cancel influencers because the ability 267 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: for these videos to become viral is so high, and 268 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: the fact that Elle actually deleted her own TikTok account 269 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: is quite evident that she must have been copying a 270 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: hell of a lot of backlash over these comments and 271 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: rightly so. Do you think that ellen con should be 272 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: quote canceled for these tweets that they made ten years ago? 273 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: That is a really hard question. I do think that 274 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: there should be some repercussions for these tweets because they 275 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: are absolutely disgusting in nature. However, as we were saying, Amy, 276 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: I do think that there needs to be some reflection 277 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: on the fact that these tweets. 278 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: Were made a long time ago. 279 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: And it is really hard because we can sit here 280 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: and say that they've been canceled, but really what is canceled? 281 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: Is it when it affects their bank balance? 282 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: Are they going to. 283 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: Lose a number of deals from this? It will be 284 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: very interesting to see in the next couple of days 285 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: which sponsors choose to no longer associate themselves with El 286 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: and Con. I feel like there will be a lot 287 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: that drop them, but then they do have their own businesses, 288 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: so I think it will depend on what they do. 289 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: Now. 290 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: Do think that the apology should be made a permanent 291 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: feature on the Instagram And I also really hope that 292 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: at some point they do go into detail on YouTube 293 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: explaining themselves and really putting out a bigger apology to 294 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: the community people that they have offended and affected. We 295 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: have had and it's not a phrase I would often use. 296 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: The Holiday of from Hell. 297 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: Former Love Island Australia contestant and podcaster Anna macavoy and 298 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: her boyfriend Michael Staples's trip to Thailand has turned into 299 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: the Holiday from Hell after Anna contracted COVID. Now, so 300 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: the couple have found themselves in a very scary situation. 301 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: That's right, Amy and I completely understand that when people 302 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: choose to travel, particularly during a pandemic, that they are 303 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: taking a risk, but I do really feel sorry for 304 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: this couple because they have found themselves in a really 305 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,479 Speaker 1: scary situation. So a couple of days ago, Anna excitedly 306 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: shared that she and her boyfriend Michael were embarking on 307 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: a trip to Thailand. 308 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: Over New Years Now. 309 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: She shared the travel process, which was really interesting to 310 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: look at. So she showed Michael getting his PCR test 311 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: at the airport, and there were these little booths set 312 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: up for travelers to get their PCR tests done in 313 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's because they were at 314 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the front of the line, but it didn't look like 315 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: there was too much crowding going on, and it looked 316 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: like a really smooth process. And what I liked is 317 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: the little booths had these beautiful photos of Pouquette's main 318 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: attractions and key tourism messages on there about exploring Thailand, 319 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: and it did make me really excited to go and 320 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: explore the world at some stage. 321 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 4: Now. 322 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: The next day, Anna shared that the whole process of 323 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: traveling was a very long one, but as soon as 324 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: they arrived in Thailand, everything was so quick and efficient. 325 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: She then went on to say that they were awaiting 326 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: the results of their PCR tests until they could go 327 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: out and enjoy their holiday. Now. A couple of hours later, 328 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: Anna said she was in disbelief to discover that her 329 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: results had come back COVID positive and her partner Michael 330 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: was negative. 331 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,479 Speaker 2: So she revealed that everyone. 332 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: Who tests positive for COVID in Thailand has to go 333 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: to hospital for four to seven days, and she was 334 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: told that she would need to be in there for 335 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: ten days now because her partner Michael had tested negative, 336 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: he would have to spend fourteen days in hotel quarantine 337 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: because he was now considered a close contact, so they 338 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: would in fact be separated. 339 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: This is what they said. 340 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: So the reality of this situation has seriously kicked in, 341 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: and we're both so sad, probably gonna get. 342 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: Separated, right yeah, So that's why we're together right now. 343 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 4: So if I catch COVID, it's actually better I get 344 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: out sooner. So currently and I have to go to 345 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: hospital by herself for ten days because she has COVID, 346 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 4: and then I have to isolate in a hotel by 347 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: myself for fourteen days because the incubation period. So if 348 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 4: I catch COVID, I get out four days sooner. So 349 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: I'm trying to catch it and we can stay together. 350 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: I can't believe we're gonna get separated, Like I'm so 351 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: scared to be by myself. 352 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: Gosh, that sounds so awful. 353 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: I do actually feel really sorry for both of them. 354 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: It would be so scary to be separated from your 355 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: family or partner in a different country. And I have 356 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: holiday in Thailand before, and I actually did have to 357 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: visit a couple of hospitals there because my boyfriend at 358 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: the time heard his arm and they aren't a fun 359 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: place to be. The thing is, I do get that 360 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people would be saying, well, that's the 361 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: risk that you take going on a holiday in this time, 362 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: But still I do feel bad for them. 363 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I. 364 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: Personally wouldn't go to over to Asia at the moment, 365 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: or probably anywhere overseas well. I was a little bit 366 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: surprised to hear that they were so shocked that that 367 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: was the outcome, because you think before traveling, especially during 368 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: a pandemic, that you would see what the outcome is 369 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: if you do become positive. So they were unaware, Well, 370 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: they appeared to be unaware. They were quite shocked that 371 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: that was the result for them. Do you know what 372 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: the only positive from this that a lot of people 373 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: back in Australia are now aware that shit, if I 374 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: go to Thailand, or maybe I go to Bali or 375 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: another country, if I get COVID, I'm going to be 376 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: stuck in their hospital system. 377 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 378 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Now. Anna was in a very difficult situation because after 379 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: she got these results, the hotel did bring her and 380 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: tell her that there were two options. So the first 381 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: option was that she immediately went to hospital and Michael 382 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: also immediately started his fourteen days of hotel quarantine. Now, 383 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: the second option was that they get another PCR test 384 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: which would come back in two days time, which meant 385 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: that they could spend two days in their hotel room 386 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: together and they would have the hope of maybe Anna 387 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: returning a negative result or Michael receiving a positive result, 388 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: which meant either way they could stay together. Now, she 389 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: put it to her Instagram following and. 390 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: Said what should we do? We have no idea. 391 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: So instead of waiting for the PCR tests, they ended 392 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: up just getting a couple of rapid tests and unfortunately 393 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: the result was still the same. So on New Year's Day, 394 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: Anna went into her ten days of hospital quarantine and 395 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: Michael was left to actually quarantine in the hotel room 396 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: that they booked her. It was a little bit of 397 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: a better result for him, and Anna said that she 398 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: was very grateful for the fact that she was feeling 399 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: well as she knows that a lot of people are 400 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: doing it tough with the virus. She said that the 401 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: next few days would be challenging, but she really appreciated 402 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: all of the support that she was receiving. Well, it 403 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 1: seems like a lot of Australians are going to actually 404 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: be traveling because a recent report conducted by Luxury Escapes 405 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: revealed that over eighty four percent of Australians are optimistic 406 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: about traveling, with seventy six percent confident that when it 407 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: opens up it will stay that way. 408 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: So nine out of. 409 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Ten respondents either have booked or planned to book international travel. 410 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: And at the top of the list according to the 411 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: research is Fiji, which reopen to Australians on December one, 412 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: so New Zealand follows closely in second place, then the 413 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: UK USA in equal third position, and surprisingly given the 414 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: fact that the country hasn't quite hit forty percent vaccination. 415 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: Indonesia follows with six percent planning on visiting. I think 416 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: that's because airline flights are so cheap at the moment. 417 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: But in saying that, I feel like we are seeing 418 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: a lot of influences and celebrities and very privileged people 419 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: who are taking the risk to travel at the moment. 420 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: And I suppose that's because there are a lot of 421 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: costs that go into traveling. Now there's you know, people 422 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: are having to spend upwards of hundreds of dollars on 423 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: PCR tests. If you've got a whole family that's traveling, 424 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: that's probably one thousand dollars on PCR tests. And also, 425 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: not to mention, the fact is if you do get 426 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: over there and test positive, you are going to have 427 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: to quarantine for at least two weeks and you know, 428 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: consequently not get your holiday. I have to pay money 429 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: to Stanjehola. 430 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: But do you know what I think it is. 431 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have gone It's been 432 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: nearly two years of this Australia. 433 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: You know, omicron is running wild. 434 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: It's just as bad over there as it is here. 435 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: People. That's just the mindset. 436 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: It's Sophie coming to You from the Future with an 437 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: update on the story. So on Sunday, Anna revealed that 438 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: she hadn't yet been required to go to hospital, as 439 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: the hospitals. 440 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: In Pouquet are currently full. 441 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: She said that the hotel is really at a loss 442 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: of what to do with the couple, and due to 443 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: the language barrier, there's been a bit of miscommunication along 444 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: the way. Anna also revealed that Michael had subsequently received 445 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: a positive result, meaning they thought they could stay together, 446 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: but then later that day he was informed his result 447 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: was in fact negative. So Anna said Michael had been 448 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: on the phone all day trying to get a straight 449 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: answer about his results, with the outcome being that he's 450 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: in the very early stages of COVID, but it is 451 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: still not showing up enough in the test results for 452 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: him to have to go to hospital. With all of 453 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: the different quarantining scenarios at play, Anna is concerned they 454 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: may have to stay in Thailand for a month. She 455 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: said it would be an extremely expensive experience. 456 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 3: Hey guys, welcome back to my channel. I hope you're 457 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: all doing all well. 458 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: Rumors are flying that former Love Islander and pro boxer 459 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: Tommy Fury has proposed to girlfriend Molly may Haig, Amy, 460 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: can you tell us more? Oh? 461 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: Yes. 462 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: The rumors started after Molly announced Tommy had surprised her 463 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: with a trip to New York to celebrate New Year's. 464 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: So Molly told her six point three million followers that 465 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: she and Tommy were out on their usual walk when 466 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: Tommy told her she needed to pack her bags and 467 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: they had a flight to New York to catch the 468 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: next day. So Molly shared shots of she and Tommy 469 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: at the airport, and so far on Insta stories, we've 470 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: been shown Tommy and Molly enjoying their time in Central Park, 471 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: Times Square and eating the most amazing looking pancakes. They've 472 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: also shared a cute Insta story of them sitting on 473 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: a park bench in New York kissing as they celebrated 474 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the New Year, and Molly, as always kept it red. 475 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: She told her followers that although she was wearing this 476 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: stunning brown jacket, she had her pajamas on underneath during 477 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: the New Year's celebrations. I have really been enjoying their 478 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: Insta stories in New York. It just looks so magical 479 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: over there. 480 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: At the moment. 481 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: Now, Amy, why is the Internet so convinced that they've 482 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: gotten engaged. Well, a lot of eagle eyed followers have 483 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: been picking up on some clues, and their clues are 484 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: pretty entertaining. So the first one is that Molly recently 485 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: revealed she has a fresh manicure done, so she gets 486 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: her nails done all the time. I do have to say, 487 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: our nails are both looking trash at the moment. So 488 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: we really didn't know that any sort of proposals were exactly, 489 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes a lot of women will go 490 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: out when they think that their boyfriend is going to 491 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: propose and get a fresh manicure. The second one is, 492 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: of course the last minute trip to New York. Because 493 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: New York is very romantic in it being New Year's Eve, 494 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: people thought, well, Tommy's going to pop the question on 495 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve. Well, the other fact is as well, 496 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: I feel like they have been breadcrumbing us with an 497 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: upcoming engagement because they have dropped the number of times 498 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: that I think. It was a couple of months ago 499 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: Molly said that they had been out looking at engagement 500 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: rings and it is something that they will be doing 501 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: in the future. 502 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: They're definitely down that path. 503 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: Well, it was Fellow Love Island at Maura Higgins, who 504 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: has absolutely thrown fuel on the fire. So she left 505 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: to comment under Tommy's post about the trip, and she wrote, 506 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: have the best time you guys, and then she put 507 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: an emoji. But the emoji is of a face with 508 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: a hand over the mouth. So everyone is reading so 509 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: much into this emoji. They think that Maura has had 510 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: something to do with this engagement plan and that's her going, oh, 511 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: I've got a secret. 512 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: Gosh. 513 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: I feel like people are reading a bit too much 514 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: into that emoji. It's not like there was a ring 515 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: emoji or anything. I actually feel a bit sorry for 516 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: Tommy and Molly because I feel like there's so much 517 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: pressure on TikTok now for Tommy to actually propose to her, 518 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: and people are going to be really disappointed if it 519 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: actually isn't the case that they're engaged. I feel like 520 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: we are soon going to find out because she has 521 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: been vlogging all of the trip, and personally, I really 522 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: hope that they do get engaged. On a selfish level, 523 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: I'd love to follow Molly along on her wedding planning 524 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 1: journey me too. How do you think that Tommy and 525 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: Molly will announce it if they are engaged? Because I'm 526 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: guessing a big vlog saying we got engaged and obviously 527 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: a beautiful photo. 528 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: I feel like it'd be pretty extra. 529 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: I feel like there is pressure on Tommy to make 530 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: it a huge deal. I just can't even imagine how 531 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: incredible the ring will be. 532 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: Having stopped me drinking today because saf is threatened to 533 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: leave home again, Darling, you don't drink, but I know 534 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: I'm not a drinker, but you're not. 535 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 4: She's like, well, you drinking and stop drinking. 536 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: Should drink water. 537 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: It's a mixer, Petsy, we have it with whiskey. 538 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfields romance with bachelorette contestant Conrad has been heating 539 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: up over Christmas, with the pair revealing they've already dropped 540 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: the L bomb. However, it appears not everyone on the 541 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: internet's happy about the romance. Amy, what's been happening? 542 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, a. 543 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: Page has popped up which is entitled Free Conrad, which 544 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: has made a number of ridiculous claims that Abby is 545 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: holding Conrad against his will. So the page keeps sharing 546 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: the hashtag free and has referenced a number of recent 547 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: articles on the happy couple, saying Conrad doesn't seem his 548 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: old happy self. So what's been really amusing is Abby 549 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: and her friends have been having some fun with the page. 550 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: So Abby has been sharing Insta stories of she and 551 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: her friends talking about how they've all trapped Conrad and 552 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: they forced him to cook for them. So basically, Conrad 553 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: ended up cooking this whole barbecue for the girls while 554 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: the girls sat watching tiktoks all day, and Conrad had 555 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: some fun with it too. He's been giving all these 556 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: scared looks to the camera as Abby shares him on 557 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: Insta story, and he's been joking that Abby has trapped him. 558 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: I feel like, although they're saying this is a joke 559 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: and they're really not bothered by it, I feel like 560 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: if it was me, I'd have this internal thought of wow, 561 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: this is really all good. What if he does feel trapped? Well, 562 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: the thing is, it's clear that he's not trapped. He's 563 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: been doing so many lovely things for Abby, and I 564 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: for one, am really happy to see Abby being treated 565 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: so well. Because the other day, did you say he 566 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: got her initials on his fingernails? I was literally just 567 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: about to say that, sorry, so that I think they 568 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: were joking that she had fought him to get her 569 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: initials on his fingers, because most twenty year old guys 570 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: are just shit and would never do this, Like, I mean, 571 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: it is kind of out their behavior to get your 572 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: partner's initials on your fingernails. Is it because we're so 573 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: used to young men being dickheads that when we see 574 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: them behaving in this way, we think, oh, something must 575 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: be up there. 576 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. 577 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: I think probably a lot of people are jealous, and 578 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people out there probably I mean, there 579 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: are a few people who don't like Abby Chatfield from 580 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: when she was on the Bachelor, so I'm assuming it's 581 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: some of her haters that have created this account. 582 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: But I do actually love that Abby. 583 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: And Conrad have both been having fun with the account, 584 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: and to be honest, I actually have been watching a 585 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: lot of their instant stories together and I genuinely think 586 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: they're very cute. They're perfect creature, They're so well suited. 587 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that there also might be some resentment 588 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: from brook fans as well towards Abby and Conrad. Maybe 589 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: they have something to do with this account? 590 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. 591 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to accuse Brooks fans of doing it. 592 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: Who knows who it is? I actually think the account 593 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: has since been deleted because Abby was tagging it in 594 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: her Insta story, so I'm assuming here the account has 595 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: probably copped some crap from some of Abbie's followers. But 596 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: I've got to say, I feel like Conrad is doing 597 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: such a good job. He's really putting other boyfriends to 598 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: Shane because on New Year's Day he surprised Abby with 599 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: some sunflowers and a coffee and it just looked so cute. 600 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: It was very instagram worthy. I think it's nice to 601 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: see Abby was such a stable and nice boyfriend because 602 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 1: obviously she speaks a lot on her podcast about some 603 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: dirtbags she's dated in the past who never seemed to 604 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: commit to her. So personally, I'm loving seeing their relationship online. 605 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're jacn. 606 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: Is it really? 607 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: Do Love Island UK winners Milly and Liam have face 608 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: backlash after sharing that their luxury holiday to Dubai and 609 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: the Maldives was in jeopardy after Liam received a presumptive 610 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: positive result for COVID Sophie. 611 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: Can you tell us what happened? 612 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 4: Well? 613 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: Liam surprised Milly with a trip to Dubai and the 614 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: Maldives for her twenty fifth birthday. At the start of December. Now, 615 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: the couple jetted off to spend years in Dubai, sharing 616 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: snaps at the airport and saying they were so excited 617 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: for their first trip together. Now, just days after jetting in, 618 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: Milli revealed Liam had received a presumptive positive test for COVID, 619 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: which forced them into isolation in their Dubai hotel room. Now, 620 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: Millie sat on her Instagram story that Liam had to 621 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: quarantine for three days, which put their next plan trip 622 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: to the Maldives in doubt. Now, in a lengthy post, 623 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: Milli told fans that she and Liam decided to fly 624 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: to Dubai despite the threat of the omicron variant because 625 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: they didn't want to live their lives in fear anymore, 626 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: and they are still hopeful they can continue their trip 627 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: if they receive a negative result in the coming days. 628 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: And she did say that they were really worried about 629 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: having to cancel their trip to the Maldives in two 630 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: days time, as this was given to Milly as a 631 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: present and it was supposed to be a trip of 632 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: a lifetime. Now. After sharing this post, Milli also posted 633 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: several snaps of outfits she had planned to wear on 634 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: a desert tour she was supposed to do that day 635 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: in Dubai, and she captioned it, before we got the 636 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: bad news, this outfit would have looked better on the 637 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: sand dunes f u covid. So. The following day, Milly 638 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: revealed she and Liam had been receiving abusive messages since 639 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: her post. She said, I don't normally post things. 640 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: Like this, but just feel the need to right now. 641 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to write 642 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: while we've been quiet on social media, and that we 643 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: were upset as to what happened to our holiday. I'm 644 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: sure if the same thing had happened to you, you 645 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: would be gutted too. Please don't message me abusive messages, 646 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: and if you're not happy with my page or content, 647 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: then don't follow me. Simple as that, She continued, saying, 648 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: if you hadn't already realized, But with our jobs being 649 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram, we have to be very transparent, and I 650 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: was simply telling you all the experience we've had the 651 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: past two days. She then continued on explaining that because 652 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: of the nature of their jobs, they have to be 653 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: transparent and shared these kind. 654 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: Of updates with their followers. 655 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: She also said that she was of course aware that 656 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: other people were isolating over New Year's and she also 657 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: said that she hoped some people will enter twenty twenty 658 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: two nicer and less negative. Now the Daily Mail has 659 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: jumped on this story, as did a number of other 660 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: publications in the UK like The Sun, and I think 661 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: the reason the response has been so negative from the 662 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: public is because of the way that they were reporting 663 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: on this trip before Liam returned a negative result. So 664 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: before his result came out, the Daily Mail were reporting 665 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: that the pair had splashed out on a two hundred 666 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: pounds shopping spree at the airport before arriving in Dubai. 667 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: So they said that Millie had bought a Fendi bangle 668 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: and matching ring, and that Liam had also bought a 669 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: Diorn netplace and he was actually wearing the diorn necklace 670 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: in one of his photos in Dubai. It was an 671 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: absolutely hideous pain. Anyway, there were some awful comments about 672 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: the chat. I think it might be a little bit 673 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: I suppose, like some reaction to the Anamacavoy story, that 674 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: people are kind of like, well, what do you expect 675 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: when you're. 676 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 2: Traveling during a pandemic. 677 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 678 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: Well, I also think the fact that their wealth and 679 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: cash has been splashed in in front of everyone. I 680 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: think people are of the opinion, well, you've got enough money, 681 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: you can go on holiday whenever you like. And I 682 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: don't feel like that too many people feel sorry for 683 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: them that they're missing out on a holiday of a lifetime. Well, 684 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: it's probably when everyone else is in lockdown, they're like, well, 685 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm in the same position as you, but you've got 686 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: all this buddy, So they're probably just like turning on them. Well, 687 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see if Liam does return a 688 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: negative result on what it will mean for their holiday. Well, 689 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. 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