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Speaker 1: Great the flick with ben o'she.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, it's a bit of a different one today, Ben,

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Speaker 2: Because embargoes permit that both movies you've been all over

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Speaker 2: the place with just in the last week or.

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Speaker 1: Two, you can't talk about them yet, can you.

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Speaker 3: I can't review them. You can't. I can't tell you.

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Speaker 3: I don't try and trick me. I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: get a star rating.

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Speaker 2: The two big ones coming up are Wicked, which I

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Speaker 2: believe is coming out in two parts, and the Gladiator sequel's,

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Speaker 2: which looks sjackular.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so people listening might might have seen in the

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Speaker 3: past that it always seems that the reviews of these

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Speaker 3: big movies always drop at the same time. It's like,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, every media outlet in the world

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Speaker 3: decides to tell you, you know, whether whether Barbie was

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Speaker 3: good or bad?

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Speaker 1: The same And that's because it's a reason why this.

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Speaker 3: Thing is called embargoes. You're allowed to see the movie

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Speaker 3: before the general public on the condition that you hold

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Speaker 3: your review until a certain and time.

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Speaker 1: They used to take our phones and everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, still do sometimes, like I in my pocket, like

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Speaker 3: I go to I'm sitting in some screenings where I'm

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Speaker 3: by myself and there's two security guards watching me making

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Speaker 3: sure yes.

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Speaker 1: We had that what what did we had that one?

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Speaker 3: It was that stupid? Yeah, so that anyone but you,

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Speaker 3: anyone but you.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know what I thought of it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that was really worth protecting that film.

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Speaker 3: But anyhow, and so, and they're so precise with the

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Speaker 3: timings of these reviews, you know, like it'll be with

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Speaker 3: the case of Gladiator Too. It's ten PM next Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: I can't I can't give it a Scar Star rating

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Speaker 3: before then, but I am allowed to give you my reactions,

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Speaker 3: so we can talk about reactions. And so which one

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Speaker 3: do you want to start with Gladiator Too? Because that

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Speaker 3: one's out first, That one's out next Thursday. I'll give

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Speaker 3: you a review then. But in the meantime, my reaction

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Speaker 3: to the film is it's epic like and it's definitely

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Speaker 3: Ridley Scott has thought of all the things that he

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Speaker 3: wanted to do in the first movie it couldn't because

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Speaker 3: of the technological limitations to filmmakers, and he's been thinking

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Speaker 3: about this for twenty five years. He's bung them all

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Speaker 3: into this new film. And so, if you've watched the

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Speaker 3: trailer which we can talk about. You'll see there's scenes

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Speaker 3: where Paul Mescal who is he plays. So in the

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Speaker 3: original there was a little boy Lucius, who was the

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Speaker 3: Connie Nielsen, the little nephew of Joaquim Phoenix's emperor, who

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Speaker 3: was his life was under threat and he watched Maximus

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Speaker 3: kill Jaqum Phoenix in the in the Colosseum. This movie Gladiator, too,

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Speaker 3: Lucius has all grown up, played by Paul Mescal. He

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Speaker 3: finds himself back in the Colisseum fighting for his own life,

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Speaker 3: trying to get his own revenge on whoever is in

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Speaker 3: charge and Rome at the time. And so from the

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Speaker 3: trailer you see him fighting baboons, which I will tell

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Speaker 3: you is nightmare fuel in the movie, like a babboon

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Speaker 3: that's been shaved is like a demon dog. It is

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Speaker 3: horrific and horrific. Their cg babboons. But I got the

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Speaker 3: chance to speak to Paul Mescal last week and he

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Speaker 3: told me that what they had because they you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes they just have a stick with a tennis ball. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but no, Ridley Scott loves to do everything as realistic

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Speaker 3: this training to be their baboon. So when you see

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Speaker 3: Paul Mescal biding a baboon, he was biting the stuff

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Speaker 3: the stomach. And then there's another scene in the trailer

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Speaker 3: and they and they fill a colisseum with sharks, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's very over the top, very over to show.

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Speaker 3: And I won't tell you if it's good or bad

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Speaker 3: certainly extremely epic. And so you know, I think there's

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Speaker 1: This movie to you know, sort of judge it on

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Speaker 3: And you you got Pedro Pedro Rascal and what Denzel

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Speaker 3: Mescal's character Macronus and a lot of these are real

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Speaker 3: real life emperors who were famed for their excesses and

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Speaker 3: that's fascinating as well. Some of it obviously maybe not

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Speaker 3: skif we were nervous about this movie, but really so brilliant.

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Speaker 1: It's out next next thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you knew a bloke like ben O'Shea,

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Speaker 3: what would you give it out?

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Speaker 1: A fire covering them.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that and then yeah, then the week

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Speaker 3: after that, you've got Wicked exactly which and this is

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Speaker 3: one of the most anticipated movies of the year. Of course,

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Speaker 3: it's based on the musical, which is a blockbuster musical.

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Speaker 3: It's one tone, it is a little it is a

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Speaker 3: You've got Alpha Ba, the Wicked Witch, of the West.

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Speaker 3: Wicked Witch of the West. Glinda, the good Witch of

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Speaker 3: Cynthia Arrivo. They're both incredible singers. Obviously we know about

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Speaker 3: Ariana as a pop star, but I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: the movie is how funny Ariana Grande. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: I was so surprised. I went in there with low

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Speaker 3: Obviously I knew she could sing, yeah, but she's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: But she played a funny character back in her Nickelodeon

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Speaker 3: I think it's easy to forget her characters on Nickelodeon's

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Speaker 3: sketch comedy shows were actually pretty funny. She was also

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Speaker 3: it's a kind of a more of a subtle performance.

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Speaker 3: There's a little bit of physical comedy, a look here

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Speaker 3: it's directed by John m chu who did the adaptation

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Speaker 3: of In the Heights, the which was which was a

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Speaker 3: so you can imagine, you know, like I would say

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Speaker 3: that this is probably one of the most elaborately staged

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Speaker 1: Hansy coming out in two parts.

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Speaker 3: That's right, I guess that's right, all the stops out.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait for the reviews of day.

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Speaker 2: One thing about Gladiator is there a link to Maximus

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Speaker 2: in any any memories?

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Speaker 3: So they start the film with sort of a like

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Speaker 3: a you know, sort of a painted montage that does

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Speaker 3: feature Maximus, and then he is referenced pretty regularly during

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Speaker 3: the film, so, okay, he doesn't appear. Russell Crowe wasn't

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Speaker 3: and maybe that's because they left him bring him back.

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Speaker 3: But that list of people you've spoken to in a

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Speaker 3: week was less than a week. Incredible, it was unreal

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Speaker 3: and now I've got to speak to you two.

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Speaker 1: What a week to