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Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Odds. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: the third of August.

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Speaker 2: Justice has been delivered and this terrorist leader is no more.

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Speaker 2: We make it clear again tonight that no matter how

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Speaker 2: long it takes, no matter where you hide, if you

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Speaker 2: are a threat to our people, the United States will

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Speaker 2: find you and take you out.

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Speaker 1: More than two decades after nine to eleven, and almost

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Speaker 1: a year after US troops withdrew from Afghanistan, US President

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has announced that a drone strike has killed

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Speaker 1: the leader of al Qaida. So who is he, why

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Speaker 1: now and what does this all mean. We'll explain all

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Speaker 1: of that in a deep dive. But first Sam tell

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Speaker 1: us what's making headlines this morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's mortgage has got a little bit more expensive. Yesterday,

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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank of Australia raised the cash rate to

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Speaker 3: one point eighty five percent, which comes as the fourth

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Speaker 3: month in a row that the rate has been lifted.

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Speaker 3: RBA Governor Philip Lowe said that the decision to raise

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Speaker 3: the rate zero point five percentage points was made to

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Speaker 3: curb growing inflation, which is expected to peak later this year.

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Speaker 1: Sydney's National Indigenous Center of Excellence, otherwise known as NCIE

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Speaker 1: will close its doors next week after announcing its closure yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The NCIE, a nonprofit social enterprise based in Redfern, will

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Speaker 1: close after its previous owners, who were the Indigenous Land

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Speaker 1: and Sea Corporation, and its new owners, the New South

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Speaker 1: Wales Aboriginal Land Council, couldn't come to an agreement over

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Speaker 1: the site's future support.

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Speaker 3: And to some international news now and the Secretary General

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Speaker 3: of the United Nations has warned that the world has

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Speaker 3: been quote extraordinarily lucky so far to have avoided nuclear

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Speaker 3: war and has said that we are one misunderstanding or

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Speaker 3: one miscalculation away from a nuclear conflict amid rising global tensions.

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Speaker 3: That's reassuring. The comments come during a UN nuclear conference

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Speaker 3: of which Australia is in attendance.

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Speaker 1: Today's good news and it's circling back on a story

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Speaker 1: from earlier this week. England's victory in the final of

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Speaker 1: the URO twenty twenty two Women's Championships was watched by

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Speaker 1: a record seventeen point four million people across the UK.

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Speaker 1: It makes it the most watched match of women's football

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Speaker 1: on UK television ever. The match, which was played at

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Speaker 1: London's Wembley Stadium saw England defeat Germany two to one

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Speaker 1: after extra time. Sam, do you remember where you were

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Speaker 1: on nine to eleven?

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Speaker 3: I remember being six years old and getting up to

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Speaker 3: watch ABC for Kids in the morning before school and

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Speaker 3: just sitting in front of the television mesmerized by the vision.

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Speaker 1: Well I was, And this sounds really unbelievable, but my

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Speaker 1: mum assures me that it's correct. I don't remember where

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Speaker 1: I was exactly at the time of nine to eleven,

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Speaker 1: but I do know that my family traveled to the

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Speaker 1: US a couple of weeks later, and that I refused

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Speaker 1: it was apparently because I was too scared to go.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know why anyone would listen to a

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Speaker 1: and I was that scared that I made it known

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Speaker 3: There's been some major news in the last day or

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Speaker 3: for a lot of people. Why don't we do a

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Speaker 3: quick refresher on nine to eleven and who al Qaeda is?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So nine to eleven was carried out by Al Qaeda,

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Speaker 1: a terrorist group that has been around since the late

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. Its leader was a man named a Summer

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Speaker 1: bin Laden. Now, in nineteen ninety six, bin Laden declared

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Speaker 1: and attacks. And before I move on, this is obviously

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Speaker 1: simple as possible. If you do want to get deeper

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Speaker 1: into this, check the show notes for a previous story

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Speaker 1: that the Dally Ols has written. So Al Kaida carried

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Speaker 1: out several attacks both before and after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: They were responsible for nineteen ninety eight bombings of US

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Speaker 3: You've just rattled off some really major moments of the

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Speaker 3: first ten years of the two thousands. How did the

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, under the directive of then

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Speaker 1: President George Bush, the US announced that they were going

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Speaker 1: kill Osama bin Laden, the then leader of al Qaeda,

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Speaker 1: and destroy the organization he led. What ensued, and again

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Speaker 1: last year, was a twenty one year war. At its height,

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Speaker 1: there was a coalition of fifty nations working alongside the US,

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Speaker 1: and there was a very high cost cost in lives

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Speaker 1: and estimated one hundred and seventy six thousand lives were lost,

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Speaker 1: and also a cost in expenditure. The US spent over

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Speaker 1: two two trillion dollars, Australia spent close to ten billion,

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Speaker 1: not to mention the cost for individuals who served in

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Speaker 3: So the US invaded Afghanistan with this big, major goal

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Speaker 3: to kill Osaman bin Laden. When did they actually do that?

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Speaker 1: Ten years after nine to eleven in two thousand and eleven,

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Speaker 1: then President Barack Obama announced the US had achieved their

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Speaker 1: goal of killing Bin Laden. I can still picture his

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Speaker 4: Tonight I can report to the American people and to

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Speaker 4: the world. But the United States has conducted an operation

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Speaker 4: that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda.

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Speaker 1: And so that was the end of Osama bin Laden,

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Speaker 1: but it certainly wasn't the end of al Kaieda. And

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Speaker 1: they then went on to choose a new leader. And

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Speaker 1: this leader is why we're talking about al Qaeda today.

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Speaker 1: His name was Aman al Zawahiri.

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Speaker 3: I've actually got up in front of me the FBI's

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Speaker 3: most wanted terror sign for this man. It was a

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Speaker 3: huge target for the organization over now two decades. What

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Speaker 3: can you tell me about this leader?

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Speaker 1: So he worked alongside Asamma bin Laden in al Qaeda

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Speaker 1: for many years. He wasn't considered to be a military

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Speaker 1: man per se. He was actually a doctor. But he

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Speaker 1: was also known for being a big strategic figure within

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Speaker 1: the organization, and he's been called one of the key

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Speaker 1: masterminds behind nine to eleven. And so yesterday Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: years of looking for al Zawahiri, the US had captured

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Speaker 1: and killed him, and that this had happened over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: In a drone strike.

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Speaker 3: So what's the context for the US launching a drone

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Speaker 1: in our comments section of people asking why this targeted

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Speaker 1: for nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: Can you give us any details on how American intelligence

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Speaker 2: After relentleancy seeking Zawahiri for years under President Bush, Obama

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Speaker 2: and Trump, Artell's community located Zawahiri earlier this year. He

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Speaker 2: had moved a downtown couple to reunite with members of

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Speaker 2: his immediate family. After carefully considering a clear and convincing

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Speaker 2: would remove him from the battlefield once and for all.

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Speaker 2: This mission was carefully planned, rigorously minimized the risk of

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Speaker 2: that the conditions were optimal, I gave the final approval

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Speaker 2: to go get him and the mission was a success.

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Speaker 1: Sam, What do you see as the future of al

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Speaker 3: I think for Al kada as an organization, they've been

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Speaker 3: we'll probably see now is a bit of a power vacuum.

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Speaker 3: So what tends to happen with these terror organizations is

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Speaker 3: it's pretty quick for a new leader to be appointed,

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Speaker 3: and it's more likely than not that that new leader

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Speaker 3: taken out. But in some cases it can provide a

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Speaker 1: And given that US forces were responsible for this, what

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Speaker 1: do you think the political impact on Joe Biden's presidency is.

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Speaker 3: Here in terms of what this does for President Biden's

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Speaker 3: lot of pressure. He's had record low approval ratings for

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Speaker 3: a new Ish president, and there's a lot of nerves

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Speaker 3: in the Democrat camp towards the midterms that it could

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Speaker 3: be a big swing back to the Republicans, so this

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Speaker 3: will be some good press for the president. Nine to

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