1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to The Female Athlete Project. My name 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic gold medalist in rugby 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: sevens and I play AFLW for the GWS Giants. 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: If you knew here, welcome. 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: The Female Athlete Project is a platform that is all 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: about increasing the visibility. 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Of women in sport. We've got two. 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Podcasts, our weekly podcasts, The Rap, where we cover everything 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: happening in women's sports news. We've got our Athlete podcasts 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: as well. We've done season one and season two of 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: the Athlete Podcast and we're getting prep for season three 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: as we speak. Today's interview is an exclusive chat with 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: the one and only Sam Kerr. There's an incredible opportunity, 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: thanks to Nike, to sit down with one of the 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: best athletes in the world at the moment. 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: Shoo shoot, She's a superstar. 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: Shuit you love her. She comes home, I can't scores. 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Sam has won the Golden Boot on three different continents, 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: was recently named Players Player. 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: She won the FA Cup. 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: She's an incredible player and is preparing with the Matilda's 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: for the upcoming World Cup as well. On home soil 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: in Australia and New Zealand. I really hope you enjoy 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: this one. It's been one of my favorites so far. Hey, 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: Chloe Dalton here from the Female Athlete Project. I'm very 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: excited to be sitting down here today with one of Australia, 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: if not the world's best athletes at the moment, one 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: of the biggest performers, but also someone who gets a 29 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: lot of engagement on our socials because of how well 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: loved she is across the country. 31 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: I'd say, Sam Kerr, welcome to the Female Athlete Project. 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for having we You're back home for a little bit. 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: It's been a while. How are you enjoying being back. 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 4: Nothing beats home, just family, friends, good coffee. 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: So it's been really nice. 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: Can you tell us what Sam was like as a 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: little kid. Oh? 39 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 4: My idea of Sam as a little kids probably different 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: to my Famili's just a tomboy, honestly, just like always 41 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 4: playing sports, always out in the backyard, riding the bike 42 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 4: around the street. 43 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: Just like a little bit of a knucklehead one of 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: the boys. 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: Honestly, did you get up to trouble, Not like serious trouble, 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 4: but like I was like cheeky but like I always say, 47 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 4: like everyone, all my school friends are always like you 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: got away with so much at school, and I think 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 4: it's just because, like I was cheeky and kind of 50 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: how I am now, like I don't do anything with 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: bad intentions. It's all fun and games. But yeah, I 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: was a bit of a cheeky kid. I would say, 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 4: who did you look up to? It was a little kid. 54 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 4: I was AFL through and through as a kid. I 55 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: obviously loved the Eagles. I was just saying out there. 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 4: I loved Ashley Sampier. He was my favorite player. But yeah, 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: like all the obviously big stars in Europe, Ronaldo Beckham, 58 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 4: Michael Owen, but yeah, we didn't have many role models. 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 4: But I also didn't see sport in that way. I 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 4: just played sport because I loved it. 61 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: How did you first find soccer? Are we calling soccer football? Football? 62 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: I call it football, but you go football? Okay? How 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: did you first find football? 64 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: I played AFL or Ozzie Rules and it was just 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: like really rough and I came home one day with 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: a bit of a bloody lip, black eye. I didn't 68 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 4: have any problem with it, but my brother and dad 69 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: got a bit I guess worried about me, But yeah, 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 4: just mum and dad took me out and then straight 71 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 4: over to where my cousin was playing football. And yeah 72 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: it was terrible at the start, but picked it up 73 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 4: pretty quickly. 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: What does terrible look like? 75 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: I tried every position. 76 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 4: I tried in goal because obviously that was the closest 77 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: to Ozzie Rules. But just like first touch was a trampoline, 78 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: like just just terrible, just not great. 79 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: Didn't understand off side. 80 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: You know, we never watch football, like in my family, 81 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: all was kind of the sport that I don't know, 82 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: like it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't a very No one 83 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: was very fond of football. 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: Was it hard to convince them to get on board. 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 4: Well, I don't think anyone really took it seriously until 86 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 4: I started to make the national team. But yeah, I 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: think mum and dad still now like it's funny they 88 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: watched the game, But it's not like, you know, Ozzie 89 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 4: Rules is embedded in our family, like you know every rule, 90 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: you know everything that's going on, And still to this day, 91 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: like there's things that they asked me or say and 92 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 4: I'm like that's just like not a thing, like Mum 93 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: sometimes will say like, oh, you did score a hat 94 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 4: trick today, and I'll be like, yeah, my, but two offside, 95 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 4: and she goes, you still scored, like, no, it's not 96 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: it doesn't count. 97 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: It doesn't count. 98 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: Doesn't count. Mum. Do you remember your debut for the Matildas. 99 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, not very well though. 100 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 4: I think that's the one game that I wish that 101 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 4: I could probably replay because now I watch all the 102 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 4: young kids come up and they're experienced their first game, 103 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: how much it means to them having their family there, 104 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 4: what women's football is now, it's obviously amazing. But I 105 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: was just like I don't really belong here. I kind 106 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: of like had that imposter syndrome, you know. I was like, 107 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 4: oh my god, I shouldn't be here, like I haven't 108 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 4: trained hard enough for this. And I told none of 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: my family to come, no family there, but they weren't 110 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 4: allowed to. No, they just I just never thought i'd play. 111 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 4: I was just like, I'm not going to play, so 112 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: don't come. So no one came. And then back in 113 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 4: those days it was when Perth used to see everything delayed. 114 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: So the game happened and they didn't see it for 115 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: three hours later. So yeah, no one saw it live, 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 4: No nothing, No one watched and I weren't about it. 117 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: I remember I was. I was fifteen, so I wanted to. 118 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 4: There was a Young Win Tilda's camp on at the time, 119 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 4: and I actually was like, I'm missing out on the 120 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 4: Young Matilda's Camp because all my mates are at the 121 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 4: Young Win Tilda's camp. 122 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: So you would have rather been there, you know what, 123 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: your life as a kid. 124 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: I was missing out on all the fun stuff with 125 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 4: my friends, and I didn't realize like the magnitude of 126 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: what playing for the Matilda's means. 127 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: So that's the one game I'd probably like to redo. 128 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: How did you get over that imposter syndrome? 129 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: Oh, I think you go through. 130 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 4: I still sometimes think that sometimes I'm like doing things 131 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, I'm not like I say to 132 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 4: people like all the time, like oh like I'm not 133 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: that cool or I'm not that like big of a deal, 134 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 4: and people like, you know, go crazy over the Matilda's now, 135 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 4: and it's just like sometimes you just feel like you're 136 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: still kind of like is this really my life? Like 137 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 4: I never thought women's football would be where it is. 138 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: And then some of the cool experiences, the things I 139 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: get to do the people I get to meet. I 140 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 4: still sometimes feel like do I belong here? Like, but 141 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, there goes times you go through it. 142 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 4: Like when I was like nineteen eighteen, I thought I'd 143 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: made it. I thought it was you know, everyone goes 144 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 4: through that same type of light and then you get 145 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: brought back down to earth and I think, Yeah. Since 146 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 4: I've been about twenty three twenty four, it's been like, 147 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: oh God, is this really my life? Am I really 148 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: doing all these things? But yeah, I don't think it'll 149 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 4: ever go away. When you're on the world stage. It's 150 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 4: something that you never really feel that, not that you 151 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 4: don't belong, but you feel like, oh, I'm just a 152 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 4: normal person from Perth. 153 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: So I think I always have it. 154 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: I like it. 155 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: I used to think when I was a kid, like 156 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: my moment was watching Kathy Freeman. I was seven at 157 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: the time when she went gold, and I just like, 158 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: I used to picture these athletes and I was like, 159 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: they must be superheroes, Like something has to happen to 160 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: them to make them so good at what they do. 161 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of been a cool thing 162 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: in my sporting career. 163 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: I've kind of realized nothing actually happens to you, like 164 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: you're still the same person no matter what happens. And 165 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: I think there's so much about your character and your 166 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: values that still shines through no matter what point you 167 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: get to in your career. 168 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I think I agree completely. 169 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 4: But I think for me, that's like I've met a 170 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 4: lot of people that have changed with fame and money, 171 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: But I think in women's sport, it's not many female 172 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 4: athletes change. I think maybe in the men's game, but 173 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: I think in the women's game, like you meet people 174 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: that you met, you know, ten years ago, that supported 175 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 4: you and you they feel like they're just part of 176 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: your journey and you're so like appreciative of everything everyone 177 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: done for you. So I think, yeah, in the women's game, 178 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: it's definitely like that. I think every female athlete kind 179 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: of stays the same. But I'm not sure about the 180 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 4: men's There's a few bowlers out there. 181 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: A few balls, a few nice cars. 182 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, We've been having a debate on the podcast Slately 183 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: about your trophy cabinet. 184 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: Where do they all go? 185 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 4: Oh God, I give them to my mum honestly because 186 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: it's a bit nice. Yeah, my mom has them all. 187 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: I don't have a trophy cabinet. My mom has like 188 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: these two glass things, But trophies are getting bigger these days, 189 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: Like I have one and it's like taller than my 190 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 4: torso it's massive, and Mom's like, what am I ever 191 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 4: going to do for this? 192 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: Like it's massive. 193 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 4: The PFA Player of the Year, it's literally like this high. 194 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: So Mom keeps them all, But I think it's nice. 195 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 4: Back when I get back home, when I settle, I think, 196 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 4: eventually I'll get somewhere where put all my golden boots 197 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 4: and my plate, like all of those things that like 198 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: really mean a lot to me. I'll put them somewhere. 199 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 4: But right now I'm still in the in the zone. 200 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 4: I'm not worried about what I've won at the moment. 201 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: How do you like that that difference to where you 202 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: are now, like the fact that you've won Golden Boot 203 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: on multiple different continents. Looking at that Players Player Award, 204 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: What is the Sam Kurd now? 205 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: How is she different to the. 206 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: Fifteen year old kid that wanted to go to Young 207 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: Materialdi's camp. 208 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, that explains it. Back then, I was 209 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 4: just in it for fun. I wanted to hang out 210 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 4: with my mates. 211 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: I always got told, oh, you have. 212 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: So much potential, you have so much talent, you can 213 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 4: go so far, and I was just like, nah, like 214 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 4: I just want to hang out with my mates, just 215 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 4: want to have fun and travel the world and just 216 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: cruise along. And now it's like nah, like I want 217 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: to be the best now, like I want to stand 218 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: out from the rest. I don't want to choose the 219 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: same path as everyone. And I think, like I think, 220 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 4: like a lot of people tell me that I'm so stubborn, 221 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 4: and the last year or two I've really found that 222 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 4: I am really really stubborn. But I don't think it's 223 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 4: a bad I think I don't think it's a bad thing. 224 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 4: Like I always say to people, it's not a detriment 225 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 4: that I'm stubborn. I think it is who I am. 226 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: Like if someone tells me I can't do something, like 227 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: I'm doing it. I'm just so stubborn and so like 228 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 4: like if someone says no to me, I'm like, or 229 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 4: like someone tries to force me to do something, like 230 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 4: my agent will probably tell you I am like so bad, 231 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 4: like so bad, I'm so strongly like. 232 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: She's holding back laughs over in the corner over there. 233 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 4: Because like it's who I am like in like I've 234 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: just told myself the last two years, like no one's 235 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: going to beat me in the world the Golden Boot Race, 236 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 4: like no one, And like I said out there, I 237 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 4: just go on this rage cage and I don't let 238 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 4: anything like beat me. I don't let anyone tell me 239 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 4: like how to do like that sounds bad. I have 240 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: my own like way of performing, and I think when 241 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: I am performing, coaches allow me to do that. 242 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: But like I when I first got to Chelsea, I said, oh, 243 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: I don't like doing this. I don't like doing this. 244 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: This is how I like to and it was very like, 245 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: oh you have to do this. 246 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 4: You after this, and I didn't perform, and then once 247 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 4: I kind of like broke down the barriers of the club, 248 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: I do like I come across as a very like relaxed, 249 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: like playful person, but like when I'm like trying to 250 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 4: like perform, it's like very serious and like I'm very 251 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: stubborn in like my performance and what I do so 252 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: might get under some people with like some trainer's skin 253 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: because they tell me to do one exercise and I'm 254 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 4: like that doesn't work for me, so I do something else. 255 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: But it works for me, So I rate that, like. 256 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: As you get older as an athlete, you just work 257 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: out what your body responds to and what works. 258 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think my brother when he played, he 259 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 4: used to always say that, and I used to be 260 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 4: I used to not get it, and he like kind 261 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 4: of realized what worked for him what didn't work for him. 262 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 4: And as I've got older, I've just realized, like I 263 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 4: actually know what works for me and what doesn't and 264 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 4: whether they think it's the right thing or not. Like 265 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 4: I perform this way, and coaches actually now will allow 266 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 4: me to do what is best for me because it 267 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 4: makes me perform. So yeah, it's a bit different. But 268 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: I'm very stubborn in all forms of life. 269 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: I like that you've used the word stubborn because I've 270 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: changed sports like three times in my career so far. 271 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: And people often question it. 272 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: But I actually use the same word to describe myself 273 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: that I almost am so stubborn that I know that 274 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: I hate being not good at things that I know 275 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: I'm stubborn enough that I'll get. 276 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: There in the end. 277 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: Does that allow you to, like, obviously you've got the 278 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: accolades and things and the achievements that are flowing in. 279 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: But does that stubbornness mean that it's just about you 280 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: almost competing with yourself. 281 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: Oh, that's exactly what it is. 282 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 4: Like people always say like, oh, there's always things about 283 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: me and another striker or me and a defender, and 284 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 4: like I can score three goals in a game and 285 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: walk off and be mad, which is like I've done 286 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 4: things terribly. I'm my biggest critic, and I know when 287 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 4: I'm playing well, and I know when I'm playing bad, 288 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: and I know when the crowd's just cheering from me 289 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: because they like me, not because I'm playing well. Like 290 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 4: I'm a very honest person with myself, but yeah, I'm 291 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 4: kind of like you, like I will make it happen, 292 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: and like the stubbornness makes it happen. But if it doesn't, 293 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: I always think, well, I made the decision myself. I 294 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: didn't have anyone tell me, so it's kind of on me, 295 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 4: do you know what I mean. And I've never felt 296 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 4: like I've regretted anything I've done in my career because 297 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: it's always been my decision. And I think people always 298 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: say like, oh, you can do that because you're you, 299 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 4: but I wasn't what I am right now and I'd 300 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 4: used to do that. So I think it's like it's 301 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: just being a like honestly, like I'm stubborn, but I'm 302 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 4: also confident, but like also like really determined to get 303 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: what I want, what I deserve, and. 304 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: Like what I know I can get. 305 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 4: So it's like it's a really like deep and like 306 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 4: you can go dive so deep into the conversation. But 307 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 4: me and Christy always talk about this. She always says, 308 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 4: you're so stubborn. Like if I tell you something like 309 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: she'll say to me, oh, you should do this, it 310 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: will make you feel better. I'm like, I'm not doing 311 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: it because you came up with the idea. 312 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: You sound hard. 313 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm really stubborn. It's so bad and like 314 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: I'm stubborn. I don't know, I'm really stubborn. 315 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: Let's let's talk twenty twenty three World Cup on home soil. 316 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: What does something like that do for the next generation 317 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: of young kids and for the future of the game 318 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: in Australia. 319 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's at the moment it's really hard 320 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: to guess gauge what. 321 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: It's going to do for the sport. I think it's 322 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: going to be massive. 323 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: I think watching the euros now in England, you see 324 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 4: what it's doing for women's football. But I think in 325 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: Australia it's like a long time coming that everyone really 326 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: understands where women's sport is going, and there's going to 327 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: be people coming in from all over the world like 328 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 4: football fanatics. So I think it's a really good opportunity. 329 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: I know you talked about Kathy. We talk about Kathy 330 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 4: a lot in the Matildas too, but like the race, 331 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: the gold medal, whatever, but the moment was just like 332 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: I think what most people remember, the moment like her 333 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: walking out, you know, putting the hood on, like just 334 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 4: like everything, just like it gives me sh Yeah, Like 335 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 4: we watch it often and it's just like that moment, 336 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 4: like the first game when we walk out the first goal, 337 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: Like it's. 338 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: Going to be pretty epic, I think. 339 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 4: And I don't think anyone really can understand what it's 340 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: going to be like and I try and like visualize it, 341 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 4: but I just it's going to be epic. 342 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: You talked before about how you're still like there's still 343 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: so much left to achieve. Had parts of that sunk 344 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: in that you can play a role like what Kathy 345 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: did for kids, like us. 346 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: Oh, I don't think I've thought about it in that way, 347 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 4: because I mean, you're probably the same. You never think 348 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 4: of yourself as someone like her. And when I met Kathy, 349 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: I was like that, I struck. I was like, oh 350 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 4: my god, like you know, and she this was like 351 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: fifteen years later after she totally changed. 352 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: Just she's like a quiet person. So for me, I 353 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I love you. 354 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: Did you say that to me? I think I did 355 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: say that. 356 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: I think I said I love you like I was 357 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: so starstruck. But I think I would. 358 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone in the team in the matuita 359 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 4: team either would put themselves on her level. 360 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: But I do understand that. 361 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 4: Women's sport and the exposure it gets right now, we 362 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 4: can probably have as big an impact as what she 363 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 4: did for women's football and women's sport. 364 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: I loved seeing recently that you are one of the 365 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: investors alongside Billy, Jean King and Alison Felix for Just 366 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: Women's Sports. So for people don't know a platform media 367 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: platform in the US, it's all about highlighting and increasing 368 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: the visibility of women in sports, similar to what we're 369 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: doing here in Australia. Really cool to see not only 370 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: you getting on board and investing in something that's so important, 371 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: but I think it's another side of you're not just 372 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: an athlete, right. 373 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: Has that been a part of it as well? 374 00:16:59,480 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? 375 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: I think so. 376 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: I think setting up, you know, what I want to do, 377 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 4: what I want to be involved in post football has 378 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 4: started to. 379 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 3: Kind of come into play. 380 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 4: Not that I let it like or want it to, 381 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: but I think that was part of it, Like I 382 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 4: want to do something after football that I'm invested in, 383 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 4: I know lots about, and then had a couple of 384 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: things with just women's sports and thought, you know, after 385 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: talking to them, that it was the right fit and 386 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: wanted to like kind of get behind women's sport. 387 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: I think there's not. 388 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 4: Enough platforms still that you know, just post about women's sport. 389 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: And Yeah, it's been really fun because like it's like 390 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 4: our little baby. 391 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: I guess, like we kind of feel like. 392 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 4: You know, all the investors are really invested in it, 393 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 4: and not just like money wise, but like you know, 394 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 4: posting getting behind it, and there's been some really big 395 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 4: investors come on. So I have a small, small part 396 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: in it, but I feel it's really cool to be 397 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 4: a part of it. 398 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 3: All the podcasts are super. 399 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 4: Fun, and yeah, they're doing good things over in America 400 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 4: and hopefully it, you know, goes all around the world. 401 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool. I could chat for a long time, 402 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: but we're gonna have to wrap up soon to finish off. 403 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: For all the little kids that are watching you, what 404 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: kind of legacy do you hope to leave. 405 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 3: The legacy question? 406 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 4: I think for me obviously, like I'm a footballer and 407 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: people love what I do on the field, But when 408 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 4: I meet all these young kids, like they actually like 409 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: like the story and like the person you are more weirdly, 410 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: And I think that's a really unique thing about women's sports. 411 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 3: In the men's game, they just. 412 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: Love like c R seven or whatever it is, buppe 413 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 4: just love what they do on the pitch. They don't 414 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 4: they love them, But like off the field, women's footballers, 415 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: women's athletes like are just seen on a different level. 416 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 4: And like I think for me, I've always just tried 417 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 4: to be myself and be like, I'm so different to 418 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 4: anyone else and I've just tried to be myself and 419 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: a lot of kids come up to me and said 420 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 4: they've found comfort in my story and me being who 421 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: I am and even at the book signing the other day, 422 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 4: like kids asking me advice on things that had nothing 423 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 4: to do with football, and that for me is like 424 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 4: the coolest thing is like connecting with people and showing 425 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 4: like people that like it is fine to be who 426 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 4: you are and if you like put your mind to anything, 427 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 4: you can like make it and like I feel like 428 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 4: I don't fit in any. 429 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 3: Type of box, and like that's really cool for me. 430 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 4: So hopefully the legacy that I leave you obviously an 431 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 4: amazing career, but also off the pitch like an even 432 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: better I guess career of like inspiring and making people 433 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 4: feel comfortable in who they are and all of that 434 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 4: type of jazz. 435 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. Thank you so much for sitting 436 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: down and having a chat today. Massive honor to get 437 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: the chance to chat with you. And good luck for 438 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: the rest of the year and heading into the World Cup. 439 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch, no. 440 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: Worries, thank you, you can't wait to play in it. 441 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. Will be back next week. 442 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: We're taking a bit of a holiday from the Rap 443 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: while there's our researcher and my podcast co host is 444 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: having a lovely holiday in Italy, but For the next 445 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: two weeks, we're going to give you a bit of 446 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: a highlight of some of our favorite moments from both 447 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: season one and season two of the podcast, where I 448 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: chatted to some of Australia's best athletes. 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