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Speaker 1: The Driver's Show, Whole marriage and Gordy Waters.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Driver's Show.

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Speaker 1: We got rid of Paulie.

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Speaker 2: How fucking good is it?

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Speaker 1: Do we swear in this? I can't remember?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, but you're coming in a bit hot. I'm deaf.

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Speaker 2: Let's just keep that in mind. You put your headphones on.

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Speaker 2: Start to be a professional about this.

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Speaker 1: Mate.

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Speaker 2: This is your hello. Check check one, check one too

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Speaker 2: on the Driver Show. We're not doing a second take.

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Speaker 2: That's it. And you taught me one take one.

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Speaker 1: I did say that to you.

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Speaker 2: You did tell me. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited that Paul's not here.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited that you're here. You're looking great.

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Speaker 1: Thanks mate, and thank you to ozam Pick.

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Speaker 2: I think they're great main sponsor. Trevor's are like a

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Speaker 2: real Hollywood guy.

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Speaker 1: Now I've had my teeth done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got You've got ozam Pick like I've literally

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Speaker 2: saw you put a zampg needle between two slices of

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Speaker 2: free bread and eat it like a sandwich.

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Speaker 1: I know that's not true. I would never have card

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Speaker 1: pre bread. Oh yeah, okay, I'm full tip top one

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Speaker 1: son blessed always wonder what whatever it is?

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Speaker 2: The good stuff, and you fired your personal trainer, and

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Speaker 2: you know you've got a real Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: It's just getting aggressive, to be honest, I.

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Speaker 2: Find it weird that personal trainers like fucking give me

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Speaker 2: twenty setups. I'm like, mate, I'm paying you three hundred bucks.

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Speaker 2: You fucking them.

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Speaker 1: You'll be surprised to know. I've never had a personal trainer.

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Speaker 1: I've also never been to a gym.

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Speaker 2: That does surprise me big time. Tell me about what's

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Speaker 2: going on before we talk like car rubbish. Tell me

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Speaker 2: what's going on in the wonderful world of television and tech.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty it's a light period right now. We

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Speaker 1: go through these phases, so the first half of the years,

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Speaker 1: you know, very busy. I've been to a US seven

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Speaker 1: times this year and only one of them was a

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Speaker 1: family holiday, so it's been a super busy start of

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Speaker 1: the year. But it's kind of a lull right now.

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Speaker 1: We've had all the big, big announcements before the second wave,

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Speaker 1: which is Apple in September, so we're a month away

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Speaker 1: from the next iPhone. There's a trade show in Europe

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Speaker 1: I've got to go to at the end of the month.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's pretty light. Time.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to turn through basic reviews looking at new phones,

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Speaker 1: the Samsung folding phones. I've got the Motorola folding phone.

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Speaker 2: Can I hold that?

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Speaker 1: That's the Motorola rasor sixty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's man.

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Speaker 1: I just think the folding phone. That's the form factor

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Speaker 1: I love because it's a normal smartphone when it's open,

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Speaker 1: so you use it, it's like a normal phone. And

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Speaker 1: then when you shut it and you put it in

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Speaker 1: your pocket, it's just something that doesn't it's not obtrusive,

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Speaker 1: it's not overwhelming in your pocket.

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Speaker 2: I reckon, I'd fucking lose this in two days. Do

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Speaker 2: you know what they're done with this screen? That little crease,

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Speaker 2: the fold the crease. It's gotten better. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: You don't notice it. You only notice it when you're

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Speaker 1: analyzing like this, going can you see it?

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Speaker 2: And is it there?

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Speaker 1: When you're using it day to day, you don't even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, she is little get around on it.

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Speaker 1: They're a good form factor. So you know, flip phones

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Speaker 1: have been a big thing because Samsung came out with

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Speaker 1: one that was it's four point five millimeters thick when open. Now,

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Speaker 1: the USB seaport is three point six millimeters. Wow, So

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Speaker 1: there's not much room to make a thinner phone. No,

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Speaker 1: And so next month when the iPhone comes out, there

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Speaker 1: will be a thin version of that, the iPhone seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Air well even that's on ozm pic.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm calling it the ozempic year for phones. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're all getting all getting thin.

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Speaker 2: You know. Google puts out a bloody good phone they do.

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Speaker 2: Before I moved over to Apple, I was on Google

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Speaker 2: for Yanks and they're a gray phone.

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't know when this is coming out, so

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Speaker 1: we'll save the embargos for the time. But there's a

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Speaker 1: So the next pixel they make, they're a very good phone.

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Speaker 1: But in Australia it's very hard to compete with Apple

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Speaker 1: a JB's and they're just buying the Samsung or the

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Speaker 1: Apple under one thousand dollars, far more competitive. Like a

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Speaker 1: stupid fact that's stuck in my brain is fifty four

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Speaker 1: Fit more than half the phone sold every year in

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Speaker 1: Australia are under seven hundred dollars, which means they're not

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Speaker 1: Google come out with a nine hundred or a twelve

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Speaker 2: Be they're coming right into the middle of the market

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's a wise move. Whereas this Motorola,

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Speaker 1: for example, it's twelve hundred bucks and Samsung's version of.

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Speaker 2: This, so that would compete with Samsung and Google.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but this in the folding space at twelve hundred dollars,

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Speaker 1: this is six five hundred dollars cheaper than what Samsung does,

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Speaker 1: so it is competitive, but Google don't play the price game.

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Speaker 1: What do I think that's I think that's dangerous.

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Speaker 2: What do you think we're going to say with the

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Speaker 2: I know, with Apple Glass and all that stuff coming out,

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Speaker 2: that's looking pretty nice that little software, but the AI

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Speaker 2: balls because I reckon they've dropped the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they dropped the ball pretty bad because the announce

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious to know what the hell like AI

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Speaker 1: Well, so with an iPhone, I actually think in the

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Speaker 1: notification summaries one of my favorite things. They copped a

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Speaker 2: Wasn't a bit dodgy? Were they factual or were they

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Speaker 1: That was the thing. There was a few fuck ups

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Speaker 1: right in what way, Like they would just say it'd

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Speaker 1: take four messages someone died in one, someone had got

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Speaker 1: got married diet. So pretty major mistakes, right. So now

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Speaker 1: there's this pop up message that says, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you do choose to notice to summarize news events, just

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Speaker 1: be aware it might change the context. But when you

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Speaker 1: receive five messages from a group chat and it just

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Speaker 1: goes Paul said this, Gord, he said that, and they're

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Speaker 1: I better get into that. If someone sends you a

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Speaker 1: that says, you know, this has happened, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I better read that. Now I better read the whole thing. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: It feels like a pain in the ass.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The thing I love about the metaglasses is meta will

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Speaker 2: just say, hey, Trevor Long sent you a long message. True,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Made those glasses.

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Speaker 1: So I went on. We went to the States for

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Speaker 1: two and a half weeks with the family and I

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Speaker 1: kind of went, I'm not gonna for two reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: just stay attached to the family. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: post on social media all the time. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: try and be a little bit phoneless. And I took

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Speaker 1: a couple of times, I'd be like, hey, Meta, take

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Speaker 1: a photo and post on Instagram. Boom, it's on my stories,

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Speaker 2: Because you actually, like you just controlled the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know you could do.

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Speaker 1: If your if your Instagram account is connected to your metaglasses, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can just look at something and say, hey, Meta,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, let me see if it works.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, and it will post it immediately to your

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Speaker 2: All right, hang on, here we go. Oh I think

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Speaker 2: madam must think you're me. Hang on, let me take

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Speaker 2: one quick video.

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Speaker 1: Sore, it works. This is great podcasting content.

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Speaker 2: Then this is a first hand look of what it's

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Speaker 2: like to work with a farm animal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Okay, so they were because I can

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Speaker 1: see the white flashing lights. So this time, just try

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Speaker 2: Hey, meta, take a photo and post it to my

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Speaker 1: No, because I was rolling my eyes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, sharing photo?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, continue, Oh so you haven't done it before,

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Speaker 1: so it needs to Oh I've got to do it again.

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Speaker 1: I might have needed to set something up.

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Speaker 2: Oh fuck that.

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Speaker 1: But it's a very cool feature, right yeah. And it

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Speaker 1: just literally just sharing my view of something. And it

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Speaker 1: was the same with a film camera. It take you know,

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Speaker 1: thirty five photos, and you're not taking six photos of

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Speaker 1: that didn't love that one, didn't love that one, didn't

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Speaker 1: love that one. Whereas you just go, here's a photo

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Speaker 1: was a good photo. That's a pretty cool thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is wild. I like that. You know,

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Speaker 2: we've seen the absolute debarcle with jagg you are with

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Speaker 2: what they're putting out, and by the way, we've seen

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Speaker 2: physical cars now, right, so that'll be kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: But now I know Aston is taken on the Apple

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Speaker 1: and a lovely old bloke so like in his seventies,

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00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,479
Speaker 1: retired just driving ubers and he had his maps, an

438
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,639
Speaker 1: uber phone on one side, but on the off coming

439
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,240
Speaker 1: off the center screen of the Chesli had an iPhone

440
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,760
Speaker 1: which was running a third party app which had short

441
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,640
Speaker 1: cut icons to quick features like open the boot, open

442
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,320
Speaker 1: the door, turn on client, like.

443
00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,760
Speaker 2: Hit on his phone.

444
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: What the fuck are we doing where you're using a

445
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,720
Speaker 1: smartphone in amount to control features that should be a

446
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,800
Speaker 1: button in the friggin car Like that is wild to me.

447
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,680
Speaker 1: And the other thing about the lead murder, I think

448
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,440
Speaker 1: in reflection it's a bit egotistic or whatever you want

449
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 1: to say about it. People listening who own one would

450
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,040
Speaker 1: be like you idiots, because this, that and the other.

451
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 1: But when we pick up a car, you just handed

452
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 1: a set of keys, and often I'll sit in and

453
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 1: I go, where the fuck is the start button, like

454
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 1: because they've driven it over to you in this big

455
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 1: complex where there's just cars and cars cars, and you're like, fuck,

456
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 1: I better find the start button. It's like it's a

457
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 1: bit awkward.

458
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes and then generally you've got to once you pull

459
00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 2: out of it, because we go to the same place

460
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 2: you pull out, and when it was in Brrickville, you

461
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,719
Speaker 2: have to try to find somewhere to pull over. I'm

462
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,359
Speaker 2: set my phone up, house is going to work. And

463
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,399
Speaker 2: the amount of times like I saw other car like

464
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 2: other car journalists like i'mnd, but I saw actual car

465
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 2: journalists like looking out the window just laughing at me,

466
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,439
Speaker 2: like yeah, but you all fucking get we're doing the

467
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 2: same thing.

468
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 1: So it's funny because in the tech world, I'm a

469
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,679
Speaker 1: bit of a pain in the ass. Probably to some brands,

470
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, we want to we want to give

471
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 1: you a half hour briefing on this thing and then

472
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 1: I'll show you how to set up the product. And

473
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, if you send me the product, I'll

474
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 1: set it up. Because if I can't set it up,

475
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: how does the fucking average user set it up? And

476
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,639
Speaker 1: so that was always my mentality with a car, It's like,

477
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: if I can't work it out, how's anyone else working out?

478
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 1: But then I realized when you buy a car, you

479
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,879
Speaker 1: do normally get ave it a walk through, So yeah,

480
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 1: I'll hand leapmode of that that maybe if they had

481
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: someone out there giving us a walk through, it might

482
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 1: be different. And it's funny because I'm going to drive

483
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: the IM the MG premium brand in a couple of months,

484
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: and oh yeah. They were like, we want to give

485
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 1: you a handover for twenty minutes. And I'm like, you

486
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 1: know what. I was going to say, fuck off, but

487
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: then I thought, you know what, I'm going to take

488
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: it because if there's something about the car that I

489
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: need to know, then they've got that opportunity to tell

490
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 1: me about it. Because I feel like that's where Leadmotor

491
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 1: let themselves down.

492
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the new sector of MG are putting together

493
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: some great stuff. When you were talking about the infotainment, Actually,

494
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 2: one thing I will say about the C ten the

495
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 2: fact that it does not have Apple Car Play, it

496
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: does not have Android Auto. It is not a user

497
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: for friendly car. This is a car that is not

498
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: ready for market. It should not have been released. It's

499
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: not a using friendly car. It is possibly the worst

500
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: car I've ever sat it.

501
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: It's by a friendly that's all it is. Because at

502
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 1: forty six thousand dollars for that much space, it's pretty

503
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: buddy good value.

504
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. But is it though? Because that sector there's a

505
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: lot of competitive cars coming out of if you want electric.

506
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 1: But for that size in electric it's unbelievable value.

507
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 2: I disagree. I disagree, Like I'm driving the MG five

508
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: s EV same price, and that's for the absolute topic.

509
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: It's a similar size too.

510
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is what I'll say about that. In

511
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: terms of the middle screen, the infotainment display, they have

512
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 2: nailed it like and I'm not just saying that because

513
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm driving the thing. They have nailed that in such

514
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 2: a way where not only is like it wireless, Apple

515
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,479
Speaker 2: car Play and Android Auto, everything that you need generally

516
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: for day to day and all the time is either

517
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: physical or it's hardwired at the bottom of the screen

518
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: so it's always there. So things like climate control physical,

519
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: they're just temperature, physical, volume, physical, changing tracks if you

520
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: want that, that's physical. But things like if you want

521
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: to get into a car, or maps or the radio media,

522
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: it's all just touch there. It's all there all the time.

523
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: And then you've got the Apple car plate on top

524
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: of that. Yes, so it works really well. Look that

525
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: in one of those yet No, we've we've got it

526
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Speaker 2: at the moment.

527
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Speaker 1: So all we do is we have two cars over

528
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Speaker 1: two weeks, and so I'll pick a one up and

529
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Speaker 1: Finnical pick one up and then on a Wednesday when

530
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: we record, we swap, so that we've over the course

531
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: of two weeks, we've each got it for a full week,

532
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: including a weekend. So I've got the JCU it's called

533
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: the Super High Hybrid something J seven or something I

534
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: think it's called, and Fenix got the five S and

535
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: and we'll switch on on Friday. So I'll look forward

536
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Speaker 1: to it because I do think MG so I've not

537
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 1: been a fan of their petrol cars because I think

538
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: they are for the mass market. They're they're built at

539
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: a price, and that worries me a bit, but it's

540
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: it feeds the market because, as we discussed before, you

541
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Speaker 1: can buy cheap car anymore.

542
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, that's exactly I think. I think the thing

543
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: that I've always admired in that sense is what they've

544
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: done is they've put families who not doing it tough,

545
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: but life's a bit fucking hard.

546
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a brand new car, well yeah.

547
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: Exactly, they're trying to get a brand new car, and

548
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: they're putting a family of five in a brand new

549
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: car with a decent warranty behind it.

550
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: And I wasn't a big fan of their early EV's

551
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: just because they were bolt on you upgrades to petrol cars.

552
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: But now that they've got a platform for pure evs

553
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: MG four unbelievable car, this thing looks amazing, And I

554
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: think it's because they've they've put the time and effort

555
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: into software, but without over engineering. Like the fact is

556
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 1: most of these brands, whether it's a deep power, leap Matterer,

557
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: whatever they are, they're over engineering the software. It's like,

558
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't care that you've got software that can show

559
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: me people walking on the road like a Tesla can.

560
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: No one cares, and Mike can fucking see with my

561
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: eye and no one's actually ever fucking cared that, Like

562
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: exactly the tests, like you're driving next door building or

563
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Speaker 2: a truck. If you're getting that information by looking at

564
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Speaker 2: the screen, I suggest you look in front of you

565
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: because you're about to crash your fucking shit.

566
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: You needed to know there were construction cones by looking

567
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: at a fucking screen. Dude, you've got problems. I get it.

568
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: They're trying to prove that ghost.

569
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Speaker 2: It's pretty cool.

570
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: Autonomous, but if you ever driven through.

571
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: A sementary and you can see people walking on there.

572
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: That's fucking stupid.

573
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: That's cool.

574
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: That is pure Elon musk. Yeah, yeah, insanity. The bloke's

575
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: a lunaty.

576
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say about MG right, if you look

577
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: at say the last twelve to eighteen months, what I

578
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: do like is, and I'm not just I'll throw shit

579
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 2: at them if I have to, but what I do

580
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: like is everything from the MG five s ev to

581
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: even the ZS Hybrid which I had the HS as well.

582
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: They've come together with all brand new design language. They're

583
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: setting a new price point. They may not be the

584
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: best fucking car on the market, but their best I

585
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: reckon in what they're putting out in their space, do

586
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

587
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we definitely, I don't know. I think we gave

588
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: the MG four best CV under fifty thousand last year

589
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: in my EFTM magazine Awards because it's fucking great value

590
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: car and fully electric, Like if you want to go electric. Man,

591
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: it's very hard to argue that MG shouldn't be your

592
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: first test drive, Yeah, because that should be that should

593
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: be the benchmark for Okay, what can be better than that?

594
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: So you might go to a BYD and oh that

595
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: felt better or looks different or whatever. Then you might

596
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: go to a Kere and you've got to compare it

597
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: back to that thing, which is essentially most likely going

598
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: to be the most affordable one of the big brands.

599
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: And lets you people who don't want to go to

600
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: these new Challenger brands. Are they going to be around

601
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: in five years? Don't? MG certainly will be.

602
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they will be. I think out of

603
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: all the Chinese cars, MGBYD, they're here for the long haul.

604
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the rest of them, I can't make a

605
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: judgment on.

606
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got the chops to back it up as well.

607
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: I think what they're putting out is in their space,

608
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: in their own line. It's top class.

609
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 1: I made of mind bought the MG four and texts

610
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: me regularly that he just thinks it's the coolest thing.

611
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: Did you by the x no Ah, the XPI is fun,

612
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: you know what? I think that's interesting. They're putting out

613
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: these cars that could be most people might call them

614
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: plane Jane. They're putting out affordable cars, good design, all that,

615
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: but what it does allow them to do is to

616
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: bring out fucking nutsy things like the cyberst Like yeah,

617
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: DATLA was fun, Like you kind of look at that

618
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: I quite enjoyed that.

619
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 1: Look, there's a few fucking problems with it, like the

620
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: screens behind the wheel and stuff, but you don't like

621
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: that they're just they're covered by the wheel, Like just

622
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: the placement was slightly wrong. But my I visited my

623
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: uncle in Canberra on the weekend. He's got an old

624
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: mg B like he's part of the MG club and

625
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: all that. You know. I said, what's the vibe among

626
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: proper MG enthusiasts about this thing? And he said, look,

627
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, we, he said, as the club kind of

628
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: struggle with you know, do we let them into the club?

629
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: You know, because you know, a new MG owner is

630
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: very different to a classic MG owner when they're going

631
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: on long you know, country drives, enjoying their old mgb's

632
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: and things. But he said, you know, one of their

633
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: owners has bought a cyberster and he's bringing it to

634
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: the club in September. It's going to be exciting. And

635
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: another man of mine went, this is crazy money. But

636
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: I said, look, it's not about selling lots of those cars.

637
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: That's about creating a flagship product that says we can

638
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: build something very impressive. I think it's a nod to

639
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: their heritage, which is, you know, the two seat sports

640
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: car open top. That that's an absolute nod to their heritage.

641
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: And I respect that. I didn't love the drive. I

642
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: think that it probably could have been tuned better, you know,

643
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: the steering and ride and handling could have been tuned

644
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: a bit better. But it still was the most impressive

645
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: MG I've driven.

646
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: Oh it's no funny question, undeniably fun And like, here's

647
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: the thing. Our family's got like a bit of a

648
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: long heritage. My dad, when he was like sixteen, him

649
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: and mum, Dad would do up the MG's. Mom would

650
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: be like in there in the workshop with him, and

651
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up like going to my grandparents'

652
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: house and you know, there was like these MG logos

653
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: that were painted like in the garage, like dad painted

654
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: them when he was sixteen years old. I used to

655
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: do up tfs and all this sort of stuff, and

656
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: I thought I should I should just get an MGB

657
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: like just and so I I went to have a

658
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 2: look at one the other day actually, and it was, oh,

659
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: it was good. But it is driving in nineteen bloody.

660
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: That's not a third car, that's a fourth car. You know,

661
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: that's a real you know garage, you know, take it

662
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: out once or three times a year.

663
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go to the wineries with it, and that's

664
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: about it.

665
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: And look, I respect the fact that a Chinese company

666
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: bought a brand and went we're going to sell tons

667
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: of these things, because I think if you did a

668
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: survey of most MG three hatchback owners, let alone EV owners,

669
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure many of them realized it's not even

670
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: British brand still, do you know what I mean? Yeah,

671
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Like I think they bought a smart brand. My argument

672
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 1: here is if General Motors let go of the Holden brand,

673
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: like they relinquished the ownership of it, and Jeerly or

674
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: someone bought the Holden brand, you don't think they would

675
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: sell a shit ton of Holden electric cars just because

676
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: of the brand affiliation. Yes, true, Holden officiados would like

677
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: they did with the last Commodore ZB They'd be like

678
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: fuck that it's not a Holden. But a bunch of

679
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: people would go, I got a Holding electric car because

680
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: the brand's That's what MG has going for. It is

681
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: pure brand reputation and it's genius. Yeah, bloody genius.

682
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: I think it's I think Look my problem with the cyberster.

683
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Was how beautiful it is, how lovely the doors are?

684
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: You know it is? It is set up well.

685
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: I think on a tour, like a lovely country drive,

686
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: it'd be a lovely thing to take with a picnic

687
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: in the back.

688
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: And it's a quick cart and it's almost too fucking quick,

689
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: it's so fast, and like if Obviously I don't have

690
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: this problem because I'm the size of a smurf, but

691
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: someone like Paul, who's like seven foot eight, you.

692
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Know his heads, he's an awkward size.

693
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: He's big fat croatian heads popping out the top, and

694
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: so that was an issue. But the dealer. I remember

695
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: when the dealer handed it over to me, he goes,

696
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, how much are you are you

697
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: guys selling this for? He's like one hundred and ten grand.

698
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: I'm like whoa, And he goes, what are you talking about?

699
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: Not a bad price for a supercar. And I was like, oh,

700
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: so you shouldn't have said it's a supercar. It's a

701
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: beautiful car, it's a lovely cup it don't call it.

702
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: Don't do that.

703
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: Don't you know there's no two seat sports car on

704
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: the market.

705
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: No, no, So they're the only ones doing it genius

706
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: a little bit.

707
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: Again, I respect it. I respect what they've done with

708
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: it as a as a concept to draw the brand

709
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: and to really excite people about the brand. I think

710
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: it's very smart.

711
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: Do you want to go for a drive in an

712
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: MG cyberst mean? Yeah?

713
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: Where are we going? Honey? Are we taking a picnic? No?

714
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: I was going to say the brothel?

715
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: Well, right, okay, that's a hard note for me for

716
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: the hard pars.

717
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and where could we go? Where can we go?

718
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: In the in the in the cyberstuff.

719
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: A road of never driven is the what's called the

720
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: Great Ocean Road. I think that would be a great

721
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: drive in the cyberstore on a sunny day.

722
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: It's it's a windy, windy fucking road that one, is it? Yes?

723
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: I did it in or like what speed do you? Yeah?

724
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: I think it's technically eighty right. But even like as

725
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old going down that thing full pelt

726
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: in a Reno cleo sport wasn't the smartest thing from me.

727
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: I always think about that and go, God, you're a

728
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: reckless little shit, Like what was I thinking?

729
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: We all had a moment time.

730
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: I did it also in my mate's dad's E sixty

731
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: three and was it. No, it's the C sixty three.

732
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: That was the fast one back in the day, wasn't it.

733
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was memories.

734
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: That was a spicy one. It was good fun. Actually,

735
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: you had the I saw it? Was it the electric

736
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: G wagon? I saw you with.

737
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, i've it's still out. It's sitting outside behind your MG.

738
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: Oh is it is here? Oh my god, we're gonna

739
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: have to it's a little tank.

740
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tank. And do you know what's funny

741
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: about it?

742
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: It's a little bit cheaper than a normal one.

743
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: It's the cheapest g wagon here. It's three hundred thousand dollars.

744
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

745
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: Right, And when they announced I was in Melbourne at

746
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: the Grand Prix when they announced it, and I was like,

747
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: three hundred grands seems good. And most of the other

748
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: couple of murdering journals there and they're like, that's why

749
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: is it cheaper than the other one? Oh god? I

750
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: was right, it is cheap. And you know it's it's this.

751
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: I took it to the country, right, I took it

752
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: out to young No one there gives a shit about

753
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: a G wagon, right, even though it has the credentials

754
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: for being off road in the country. That thing is

755
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: all about two I raq and wore clues.

756
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: Right dropping the kids.

757
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: I took my fourteen year old daughter into the city

758
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: for an event and she was like, you've got a

759
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: g wagon. I'm like, how do you know what a

760
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: g wagon is? So it's like an influencers car, and

761
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: to the point where we had to give another teenage girl.

762
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: I left home that night after the event and we

763
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: went to the car park. I clicked the button and.

764
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: She goes, you've got a g wagon.

765
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this thing was like appealing to, you know,

766
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: kids and influencers and all that kind of jazz. I

767
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: knew it was the eastern suburb soccer mom car.

768
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: But honestly, if mister Beast is given that thing away

769
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: on YouTube, yeah, I'm telling you all of them, all

770
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: of them. Wont you know in the car?

771
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: Once you're in it, it's just it's just like driving

772
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Mercedes because all the all the screens and everything, it's

773
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: just a Mercedes. But getting into it, opening the doors,

774
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: shutting the doors, just the feeling the setund of those

775
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: things is so unbelievable. Rains not great. It's got like

776
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: a four hundred klometer range and driving to the country

777
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: not great because at one hundred and fifteen on the

778
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: highway it's really sucking through the battery.

779
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: But did you get there on one trip?

780
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: No, I never. I never tried in one trip. I

781
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: always stop at Yas at the Tesla supercharger. They're just

782
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: juice set up here. There's a new supercharger by the way, Golban,

783
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: which I didn't find out about until i'd passed it.

784
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: That's open to non Teslas. So it's like twenty bays.

785
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it's going to say that it is

786
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: going to the rest of the industry.

787
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: Like I stop at the Tesla at Yas because there's

788
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: always space, there's always twelve bays. I normally stop at

789
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: Pheasant's Nest where there's an ampole with six norly six

790
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: bays on each side of the highway. And when I

791
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: stopped on the way home and they were all full.

792
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: That's the ampole charges, right, it's a charge.

793
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: They were all fucking full, and I'm like Jesus Christ,

794
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: and I was on fifteen percent, so I'm like, I

795
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: got a charge. I ended up driving to a shopping

796
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: center and picked it and charging there. But now that

797
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: I know there's Golban. I'm just going to do one

798
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: stop or one stop at everywhere charges because they're open,

799
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: they're fast, twenty of them. Dude. Tesla is putting the

800
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: others out of business because they're building the right size

801
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: sites with enough bays in the right places. Everyone else

802
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: is playing absolute catch up and they're not even close.

803
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: I was on ten percent coming into work the other

804
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: day and I was like, oh no, I'm gonna have

805
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: to charge this thing and I'll just walk into work

806
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: and I'll leave my charge my car here. And it

807
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: was ev I think it is E E V I

808
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: E right, four of them. I put one and they

809
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: were all empty. I'm like, oh fucking sweet, so charge

810
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: it up. And I'm like, oh, it's not it's not working.

811
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: It's not working.

812
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: Looked at the helpline. I'm like, hey, mate, what's going on?

813
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 2: And he said, which bay are you in? And I said, well,

814
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: I mean you know they one? Oh yeah, yeah, there's

815
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: no charge coming out of that wae that mu's broken.

816
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: They scoop. I knew that.

817
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: Okay, what about the next one? If I sort of

818
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: moved my car, set it all up, and am I

819
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: going to have to call you back, and he goes,

820
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: let me check. Oh, there's no check. The whole the

821
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: whole lot's broken, four of them.

822
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: And it is such that does not happen at a Tesla.

823
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: There might be two out that are not working for

824
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: some reason, but never all of them.

825
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: And here's the here's the disgusting bit. Right. I remember

826
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: looking down on that EV thing and the first thing

827
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: I saw that stood out right in the middle of

828
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: it is the Australian coat of arms supplied by the

829
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: Australian government. And I thought, you fucking absolute wrought, like

830
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars went into that. You've done some deal with

831
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: our government and you've absolutely just like this is the thing. Honestly,

832
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: I would say, apart from the Tesla chargers, I still

833
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: don't have faith and confidence in the charging network around

834
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: our country. I think it's absolute and I drive a

835
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: lot of kilometers. I do that trip down the country

836
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: a lot, and so.

837
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying BPS and poles, charge Fox, EV and Tesla

838
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: and you've.

839
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: Got to have like little memberships in your front.

840
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm just better off of the Tesla. Now, EV's best

841
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: advantage if you've got the right car and it's not

842
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: all cars, so my Cooper won't do it. But the

843
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: KEYA does is they have an auto charge, so like Tesla's.

844
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: With the Tesla, it knows who you are. So I've

845
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: said to my wife, if you ever urgently need power,

846
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: we've got an EV station up at Hornsby, which is

847
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: not a bad drive from us. You just plug the

848
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: car in no approquiet, it will just go. Oh it's

849
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: Trevi's Keia charge. That's the smartest thing that EV's done.

850
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: But it's not on all their charges. It's only their

851
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: most recent models, so the ones on the highway that

852
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: I use, they're not like that. So we've got so

853
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: far to go in the charging space, and Tesla is

854
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: lengths ahead. If I was elon Musk, if you could

855
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: take any advice from me, it is because you know,

856
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: I don't know corporations, but when they split companies up

857
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: like Woolworth splits out BWS or whatever the hell it is,

858
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: and you know it make it's a separate company in

859
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: the stock market, separate the supercharger network out as its

860
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: own business. That thing that's got value. Yeah, that's got value.

861
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Because they build big sites, they provide fast power, they

862
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: maintain them.

863
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: Well, they've got great tech support.

864
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, it's it's I hate Tesla like passion. I

865
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: would never buy one or try and drive one, but

866
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: their charging network is without fail.

867
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: Respect for its due. Yeah, I think it wouldn't surprise me,

868
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: and it's probably a good good way of going. But

869
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: these EV companies should probably start like privatizing themselves a

870
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: lot more.

871
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, mate, I've said for a long time

872
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: that what we need is, you know, you, Mike cannon

873
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: Brooks of the world, with all this crazy money and shit,

874
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: we need someone like Twiggy Forest or someone like that

875
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: to just go, here's fucking ten billion dollars. I want

876
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: you to build the next Shell or the next VP.

877
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: You know. I want to build the future of charging

878
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: across the country, but I don't need it to make

879
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: a profit for a decade.

880
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: That has to be the condition, because it has to

881
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: pay for itself.

882
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. I'm not going to try and withdraw

883
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: my money out of this thing. But you know, so

884
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: that's the problem is all these companies they're not expanding

885
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: their bays. They're not adding six bays to a four

886
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: bay area because they've got to suck the life out

887
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: of the four they've got there. Before they invest anymore,

888
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: you need someone who's going to go, we're going to

889
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: build twenty bays, and we're going to build a convenience

890
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: store and a cafe and a lounge. Like that's the

891
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: future of charging. You look go to a Tesla supercharger

892
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: where cars, both Tesla and otherwise are sitting and charging,

893
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: and I see it because I'm at Yes more often

894
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: than not. And you'll see an old couple sitting there

895
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: with a coffee in a paper. You'll see another bike

896
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: sitting there on his laptop. You'll see me editing videos

897
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: or whatever I'm doing. If I could get out of

898
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: the car and sit in a lounge and pay, pay

899
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: for drinks and that kind of stuff, well I would

900
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah.

901
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they've already started doing that. Tesla started

902
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: doing that with that diner over there in La, and

903
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: that's a real thing. I thought it was all fake, but.

904
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: In March and I thought, what the fuck is this?

905
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: It looks like a space ship. Yeah, it's a very

906
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: cool idea, but it's again, it's I don't think it's

907
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: their plan for the future. I think it's just their

908
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: way of showing off the Melros you know, yeah, but.

909
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: There's but think about it, though, what have they got there?

910
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: Let's say forty charges, right, I mean, they've still got

911
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: the diner on the inside. You can do all that

912
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: they've got. I think upstairs is like a fucking bar

913
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: and a cinema up there. Like it's a great idea to.

914
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: Cool it is. Someone though, like Elon, has to put

915
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: their money where their mouth is. That's what he's done.

916
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: There's no way it's cost effective for Tesla to build

917
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: twenty charges at Goldman in a second side, because they've

918
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: already got a charger site that's Tesla only in town.

919
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: This site's another site. It just doesn't seem logical that

920
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: it's right to build twenty. But they're doing it because

921
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: they're thinking of the future. They're thinking of those five

922
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: days a year at the start and the finish of

923
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: school holidays when there is going to be demand.

924
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: That's what they're thinking of. No one else is thinking

925
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: about that. That's exactly right. I mean.

926
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: And the fact that a BP at Marulan, which is

927
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: on the HIM Highway, has one fucking charger on each

928
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: side of the highway, what the hell like, that's insanity.

929
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: So we've just got a long way to go before

930
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: these companies BP are doing and Shell now they're doing it.

931
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: They're building charges.

932
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: Starting to but they're building two at.

933
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: A fucking time. Like folks build shitloads, you've got to build.

934
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: A reputation, man build them.

935
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: If you have a reputation for being the place to charge,

936
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: then you'll be the destination. That's what you've got to become.

937
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think there's something wrong

938
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: with that. Part of the industry got a big way.

939
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: God, you got fired up with that, didn't you.

940
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: They get me started about charge Fox.

941
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: Can you get don't get me started at them? What

942
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: an absolute I told this story on Can you pass

943
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: me a piece of pizza? I feel like I'm going

944
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: to need to settle on my I can't believe the

945
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: pizzas in your end and you're not touching it.

946
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: I was going to I can't believe you put them on.

947
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: Mind you, this is a new Trevor Long and I'm

948
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: not luking it.

949
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: So about a year ago I stopped it at the

950
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: Supertar the fast charge of the charge Fox, thenner I

951
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: may charge Fox outside of gold and at the old Macasite,

952
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: the current Macro site.

953
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: The pepperoni on these pizzas remind me of Paul and Nipples.

954
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Go on, wow, and it just wasn't working. There was

955
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: all this drama. It just wasn't working well. The app

956
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: wasn't right, and so on Instagram going this is stupid,

957
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: it's fucking outrageous, and charge Fox get your act together

958
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: or something. Now, only a few weeks earlier, we'd interviewed

959
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: someone from charge Fox on the show, and so they

960
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: emailed me and they go, mate, this is not We

961
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: explained to you in the interview that we don't run

962
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: the charges, we just run the network.

963
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like, listen, hey, I'm back up. Did he

964
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: just give you the whole mate, I just work here kinda.

965
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: So they're NRMA charges that are on the charge Fox network, right,

966
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: And so their argument was it's nrma's fault. They're not

967
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: working and they're not upgraded or they're not maintained or whatever.

968
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry what name. I was like, who's fucking logo logo?

969
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: When charge Fox which using charge.

970
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: Fox And so we had this Yeah, that's what the

971
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 2: nazis said, buddy.

972
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if if someone is buying into the

973
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: charge Fox Network. It's as much their responsibility as the

974
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, the site, the owner of the site, to

975
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: maintain the thing. And I think their reputation unfortunately has

976
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: not gone well for them because you go to like

977
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: they put again, this is a classic example, Golben. Anyone

978
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: in New South Wales knows. But you know, if you're

979
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: in Melbourne, think euro or a Shepperdon you know, big

980
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: place on the highway, Golban. So the charge Fox location

981
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: was a ship place on the outskirts of town, but

982
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: at least it was near a macket, so there was

983
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: somewhere across the road you go for a meal. The

984
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: Tesla location in the middle of town unbelievable, but only

985
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: for Tesla's. And then just on the outskirts of town

986
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 1: the other side, there's a fucking there's KFC, there's Red Rooster,

987
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: there's Macas. That's where you think this would be a

988
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: good spot.

989
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: So charge Fox the mechan of like of fast foods,

990
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: food outlets and Trevor's like, fucking what a place.

991
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: Stuff, that's charge stopping right, that's where the big service

992
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: station is.

993
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: Well, that's what that's exactly what that Golbin is a

994
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: brilliant toilet stop.

995
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, because fast food outlets so charge Fox or

996
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't know who owns it because they run the network,

997
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: but someone and uses in charge. Fox Network puts a

998
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: charging pole in the KFC car park. It's a charging

999
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: pole with two fucking plugs on it that do I

1000
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: don't know, fifty kilowatts and it's fucking goldban mate, Why

1001
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't you build six? And so what happens a year later?

1002
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: Tesla builds twenty? And there's just I know that Tesla

1003
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: is more expensive to charge than charge Fox or Evey,

1004
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: but I'll pay the ten or twenty cents per killer

1005
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: lot more every day of the week. So the simplicity

1006
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: and speed of a Tesla super.

1007
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 2: If I'm going to get a full charge on eighteen

1008
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: minutes and it's going to cost me thirty bucks as

1009
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: opposed to twenty two bucks for a fucking one and

1010
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: a half hours, I'll tell you where I'm going.

1011
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: Every day of the week.

1012
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: What's it the deal with this EV tax? Can you

1013
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: put me across this? Because for me, I don't see

1014
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: what all the fuss is about, because I mean, we've

1015
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: known about this for years and it sort of seems

1016
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: like the thing that should happen anyway. So basically, if

1017
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: you're an EV owner, you're now going to basically get

1018
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: tax for using the roads.

1019
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: That's right. So you know you're an EV owner, you're

1020
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: not paying for petrol, so therefore you're not paying the

1021
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: fuel excise.

1022
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: But just like a petrol car user is getting tax

1023
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: to use the roads.

1024
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: Sparasn right, and so in Victoria they implemented this a

1025
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. So and the EV owners of

1026
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: course took them to court because they're being stuck up

1027
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: EV owners who think that they should have entitlements that

1028
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: they don't.

1029
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: Right, you were stuck up Evan. You've got two of

1030
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: them too, of them.

1031
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: But I'm realistic. I think of myself more as a

1032
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: business person than the stuck up EV I know, who goes,

1033
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: how's the government going to do? The numbers here? They're

1034
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: making like seventy to twenty billion dollars a year out

1035
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: of fuel excise, and if we have more and more

1036
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: and more evs, there's going to be billions and billions

1037
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: of dollars missing from the budget. How's that going to

1038
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: affect us? They're either going to put our fucking personal

1039
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: tax up or something else is going to go on

1040
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: right here, so they have to fill the hole in

1041
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: the budget of course.

1042
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: Right of course, having said that, I think if they're

1043
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: going to pay tax on it, they need to come

1044
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: up with and they're going to put in The Australian

1045
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: government are going to put their logo on charges, fucking

1046
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 2: make sure they work. Well, that's true.

1047
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: If the government's going to put their logo on things,

1048
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: there should be a requirement for uptime and all that

1049
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But how do you penalize the charge

1050
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: and itworks for that you're just penalizing the based on uptime.

1051
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: That doesn't help the people that came across the charger

1052
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: at the wrong time. You don't get a compensation for.

1053
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: You never get hold responsible for it. But it's like

1054
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: it's the reputation. You can ask anyone who's too scared

1055
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: to jump in and buy an EV these days, they'll

1056
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: all say, ah, look, I don't know, like don't know

1057
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: about the charging. I don't think we're still we're quite ready,

1058
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: which I don't if you're about it, I'm still fifty

1059
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: percent fascinating.

1060
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: Thing about the Melbourne thing was got overturned by the courts,

1061
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: right I don't know which court, Supreme Court or something

1062
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: like that, right, And what's really interesting. I spoke to

1063
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: someone in government in New South Wales who said at

1064
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: the time it's actually a really interesting ruling because it

1065
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: basically says the ruling broadly says that a state can't

1066
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: impose this level of tax on its citizens. It's just

1067
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: not entitled to. So it actually draws into question things

1068
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: like stamp duty and all that kind of stuff if

1069
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: you actually dug into it. But what they realized was

1070
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: we can't do it at a state levels. So now

1071
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: the states are saying the federal government needs to do it.

1072
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: So the idea is the federal government institute's a law.

1073
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: I assume the states will run it through registration. We'll

1074
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: have to say how many CA's we've done, and we'll

1075
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: pay it. I don't give a shit because four hundred

1076
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: dollars a year or whatever it's going to be, it's

1077
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: still cheaper than running a petrol car. Right, So if

1078
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: you're complaining about as an EV owner, you're actually you're

1079
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: out of touch. Right. But here's my solution. Buck off

1080
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: the fuel excise, drop the price of petrol by fifty

1081
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: two cents, and make everyone pay a road user charge.

1082
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, if they did that, like the

1083
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: whole EV thing wouldn't be as attractive anymore.

1084
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: No, but it's just neutralizing that as a cost. Everything

1085
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: else stays the same. For EV drivers, they're cheap it

1086
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: to maintain, cheaper to run, cheaper to feel. But a

1087
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: petrol car owner can choose to drive less and potentially

1088
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: pay less in this road usage tax. But it's also

1089
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: neutralized so that over time the budget stays the same

1090
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: based on road usage. It's not one tax and another tax.

1091
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: It's just one big tax for everyone.

1092
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: I don't think like necessarily owning an EV. Well, it

1093
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: can be cheaper, yes, depending on how you use your EV.

1094
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: If you're charging at home and you're doing it on

1095
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: peak hours, fine, fine, fine, And obviously like you've got

1096
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: to maintain a petrol car and that's fucking expensive. I

1097
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: get that, but I don't know. Me and Paul have

1098
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: always talked about this Atlanta, and they always seem at

1099
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: the moment just to be fifty to fifty.

1100
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty confident we're saving three grand a year

1101
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: on the KEYA versus the EV nine versus the Carnival.

1102
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Now we are charging at home a lot more often

1103
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: than not. But if I look at a trip to

1104
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: the country and I go, if i'd paid for petral,

1105
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, full tank is going to be one hundred

1106
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: plus dollars, and it was thirty five forty on the

1107
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: on the Tesla charger. So I've always said that charging

1108
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: an EV is thirty to forty percent the cost of

1109
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: filling a petrol car. So just on usage, there's no

1110
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: doubt that it's cheaper to run an electric car. And

1111
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: if you're really smart by you know, getting you go

1112
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: to an electricity company with eight cent overnight charging and

1113
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, you can absolutely bring the

1114
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: cost of owning an EV down. So if it is

1115
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: an issue for you, there are very smart things you

1116
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: can do to make it genuinely cheaper.

1117
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: You know what they should get rid of the luxury

1118
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: car tax, like especially the import luxury car tax.

1119
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: Especially if we don't have any local industry.

1120
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: We don't have a local market we protect. We don't

1121
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: have a local car market. That's what it was there for,

1122
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: was to protect your forward and your holdings and all

1123
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: that sort of.

1124
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: Stuff happened, We'll buy a Caprice instead of a BMW.

1125
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: But there's no such thing anymore.

1126
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: No, it's it's wild like it's it actually you look

1127
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: at say I'm in the market to try and get

1128
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: an old Porsche, right, so much cheaper in New Zealand,

1129
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: and yeah, my god, there's so much cheaper on the

1130
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: scheme of things. Say they were say whatever I was

1131
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: looking at would be eighty grand here, model dependent. But

1132
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: say if I'm looking about eighty grand here, that would

1133
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: be about sixty over there. Having said that, by the

1134
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 2: time I get it over, which you wouldn't think would

1135
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: be this much, But it's anywhere between six and end

1136
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: grand to get it over.

1137
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: Taxes when you're landed here.

1138
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, taxes, transportation. Yeah, plus you pay the person extra

1139
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: to do all the paperwork and fucking stuff around it.

1140
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: Just I just don't get it. I don't get why

1141
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: it's so goddamn expensive to import a car. It's it's wild.

1142
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: It's very niche. I guess it's not probably a very

1143
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: big priority for the government. It's just but the luxury

1144
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: car tax is definitely something you need assessing. My taxes

1145
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: generally need assessing. That's the biggest problem we've got in Australia.

1146
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: It's just weird. Tax system.

1147
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: In my view, I've run out of pizza.

1148
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: Oh you haven't really done the whole pizza of you.

1149
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: What else are we? What else are we going to

1150
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: bring out?

1151
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: We know we were going to mention the story that's

1152
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: been around a little while. How old was that Australian

1153
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: Automotive Association doing an analysis of the range on an

1154
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: electric vehicles. So they found like a BYD that had

1155
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: a stated range of I don't know when iver caught

1156
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: four hundred k's it was like twenty percent less in

1157
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: their real world testing. I think the Smart three was

1158
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: not that bad, but it was still under and so

1159
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: their basic claim in the headlines in the media was

1160
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: EV's not living up to the advertised range. And I

1161
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: think it's a great story because it's good analysis, but

1162
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: it's just proof that we need education. We need to

1163
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: educate people. The range is a variable. Range is really

1164
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: a comparative tool. So if you're shopping for elite motor

1165
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: versus a depower versus an MG at a price point,

1166
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: you can absolutely look at and the go, well, this

1167
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: one's got more range. It definitely has more range on

1168
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: a comparison basis, because if one says it's got a

1169
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: bigger battery and a better range. It's going to have

1170
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: a better range than that other one. However, when you

1171
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: sit in the car and drive it, you're never going

1172
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 1: to achieve Like Mike Evin nine has a five hundred

1173
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: and eleven K range. It doesn't achieve five hundred eleven K.

1174
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: Have you ever got over four to fifty in that?

1175
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: No? No, it normally gets six hundred. Oh fuck because

1176
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: it drives around fucking town.

1177
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: It goes to the shops and back.

1178
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't take it anywhere. My wife drives it, and

1179
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: an EV around town is sick.

1180
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: So when shit, yeah, that's what they're great for.

1181
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: So when change understated by the way she.

1182
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: Fully charges that thing, is that going to six comes up?

1183
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: It says sometimes it's got six hundred k's range because

1184
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: it uses the smarts of what it's been driving, not

1185
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: what the manufacturer said. Whereas if I take the fucking

1186
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: g Wagon to young it says maximum range four hundred

1187
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: and one, minimum range three hundred and twenty six, And

1188
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even think it got three twenty six.

1189
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I think it was probably less than that. But you've

1190
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: got to know when you're buying an EV that it's

1191
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: going to be dependent on what you do and how

1192
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: you drive it.

1193
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: No, here's my argument against that. Right, if you're going

1194
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: to drive an EV, you've got to know that it's

1195
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: not going to reach the kilometers it's advertised.

1196
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: For on which drive? Well, just are you assuming everyone's

1197
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: taking it on a freeway?

1198
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: Well, because that's the only.

1199
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: Time it won't reach its goal is if you're driving

1200
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: a lot of freeways. That's highly inefficient in electric cars.

1201
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, nah, disagree. I mean I'm sort of driving ten

1202
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: minutes to work, twenty minutes to pick up my kid.

1203
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: That sort of staff that MG five s that's advertised

1204
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: is about four forty right, I'm getting about three eighty

1205
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: filling that thing.

1206
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: Ah yeah.

1207
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: I just feel like as a normal consumer and you're

1208
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: going to realize we're car guys, you know what I mean? No,

1209
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

1210
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: So it's the biggest question we get on our EV

1211
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: show is just people going, I'm worried about the range

1212
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 1: and you've got to you've got to tell people, Hey,

1213
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: breaking news, whatever you think it's going to have assume

1214
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: less by the way, in winter, fucking even less because

1215
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: cold effects batteries and range and then driving It used

1216
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: to be that you take your petrol car on the freeway,

1217
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: you get fucking really good fuel economy, But in an

1218
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: electric car, it's the worst thing you can.

1219
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 2: Do, the opposite.

1220
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: Yes, So people don't know that. So this is the

1221
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: thing we've got to educate people. Dealerships are not trying

1222
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: to educate people.

1223
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: Well, then going to if like if you're the average

1224
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: person thinks that they're going to go a better sell

1225
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: right for a car. Here's my new EV one, right,

1226
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: it's shiny, it's beautiful, it's forty five thousand dollars, and

1227
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 2: I'll get a forty I'll get four hundred and forty

1228
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: kilometers of range in it. That that's the cell. But

1229
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: when you drive that, you're like, ah, I'm only getting

1230
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: like three point fifty What the fuck.

1231
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: There's a sticker on the on the window that says

1232
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: that too. But here's my counter to that whole fucking story.

1233
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: My key of Carnival that we bought before the even nights,

1234
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: we had it for four or five years, had a

1235
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: stick we had still had the sticker on it, you know,

1236
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: the fuel economy stick was still on the fucking thing

1237
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: after five years. I'd never take them off.

1238
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: Oh, that's embarrassed.

1239
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: Eleven point six was the claim fuel economy. I didn't

1240
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: reset the trip meter from birth, so at the end

1241
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: of its life having driven, I don't know. I think

1242
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: it was one hundred thousand k's something. Fourteen point six

1243
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: was its fuel economy. Yeah, that's why it never came close.

1244
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: By the way, fourteen.

1245
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: Point six is massive. I was doing less in a

1246
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: Chevy silver Rider because.

1247
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: My wife just drives to the shops and to the

1248
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: fucking pick the kids up at school. It doesn't it

1249
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: doesn't get opened up, whereas I if I took it

1250
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: on the highway, it might do nine on the highway,

1251
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: which is awesome and under the stated fuel economy. But

1252
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: I would challenge motoring journals of Australia to say, how

1253
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: many cars have you driven that you find fuel economy

1254
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: wise come under the stated fuel economy. But it's not

1255
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: a headline. It's not a headline unless it's diesel gate. Well,

1256
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: it's not a headline that cars petrol cars are not sorry,

1257
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: are consuming more petrol than was predicted, so therefore their

1258
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: range is lower than was expected.

1259
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: Well, we've got used to that over time. This is

1260
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: a new thing. It's evs, We're going to bash the

1261
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: shit out.

1262
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying is it's a fucking great headline.

1263
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: So I agree it's a problem and we need to

1264
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: educate people, but I think it was a really good headline.

1265
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: Safety features on cars now, I would strongly argue that

1266
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: they are anything but safe, and I want to know

1267
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: scary sometimes. I'd love to know from whoever it is.

1268
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: When you get the A CAP safety rating, what the

1269
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 2: fuck is actually going on? Because if you're if you're

1270
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 2: advertising in car, is that this has got a five

1271
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: cap start, five star and CAP safety rating because it's

1272
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 2: got lane departure assist and speed exceeding the speeding limit

1273
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: and an alarm for this and a bing for that

1274
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: and a bong for that. Blah blah blah blah blah.

1275
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: When you're driving and all this shit is going off.

1276
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: And this is probably one of the worst things about

1277
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 2: the Chinese EV's that are coming in. They are notorious

1278
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: for it. They are the worst at it and.

1279
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: The worst at it, and they're the worst to find

1280
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: the setting, which makes it even more distracting just to

1281
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: go looking through the menu while you're trying to turn

1282
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: the fucking thing off.

1283
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 2: And you're trying to fucking drive. Yes, right, it's it's

1284
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: absolutely stupid.

1285
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm offender that most cars. When I'm singing Billy Joel

1286
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: loudly on my own in the car, it thinks I'm yawning.

1287
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: Come on, guys, I'm not tired. I'm excited. That's that's

1288
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: the car. Because China is listening to us. That's them slowly.

1289
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: Dying and then hearing Trev like singing like some sort

1290
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: of constipated dinosaur, as it should be. Yeah, yes, take

1291
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: this China. What is it something pussy Cat? What's new

1292
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 2: pussy What's new pussy Cat? Oh? All that? But yeah,

1293
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: it's a.

1294
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: Great way to round out the show.

1295
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: Well, it's very it's very similar to yours. No, but yeah,

1296
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 2: here's the thing I'd say, the safety systems on these cars.

1297
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: Just it's frustrating. Diabolic motor again going back to oh yeah,

1298
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: it's lane keeper was just so persistent and it was like, dude,

1299
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't I need lane keep when I'm leaving the

1300
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: lane problematically, But when I'm just on the M two,

1301
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: let me fucking choose where I want to be in

1302
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: the lane.

1303
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: And also like when it's saying concentrate on the road.

1304
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: And it's saying that over and over and over again.

1305
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: It's like, mate, I am concentrating on the road. You're

1306
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: making me lose my concentration because you big big me.

1307
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: My kids, my kids love the fact that I get

1308
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: frustrated because it brings at me and I'm going, fucking,

1309
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: why are you binging?

1310
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 2: I don't even know why?

1311
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, some are very obvious. It says you're tired,

1312
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: you're doing whatever. But other cars just go being being

1313
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I missed the red light? What was it?

1314
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: What was it binging for?

1315
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: It's look, it's I think they do more harm.

1316
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: Ye, And I think I think that I think the

1317
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: needle on that will swing backwards because they're all realizing

1318
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: it through software updates and stuff. And I think what

1319
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: they're doing is they're getting another cars and going, oh,

1320
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: you can do it, but a bit more subtly. It

1321
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be as annoying. It can just be

1322
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: a little pop up message and all that kind of stuff.

1323
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: So I think they're all going to learn from each

1324
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: other which ways things are possible. And like Kia, you know,

1325
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: it was frustrating to me that we had the speed

1326
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: of chime a lart and my wife's on the phone

1327
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: in the car and I can hear the beeping. I'm like, bait,

1328
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: stop speeding. If you're not going to mute it, stop speeding.

1329
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: Because they implemented a software update where you push and

1330
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: hold the mute button and it turns off the speed function. Perfect.

1331
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: So whenever I get in the Kia, the first thing

1332
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: I did before I reverse out of the driveway is

1333
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: I turn that off.

1334
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: I mean, that's fine. Actually that's the one thing. The

1335
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: MG that I'm driving was giving me the shit at

1336
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: the start, right. It was saying, yeah, focus on the

1337
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: focus on the road, and it was only doing it,

1338
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: funny enough when I was taking a phone call in

1339
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 2: the car. Obviously not on my phone, but like it was.

1340
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: It was really doing it. And then I spoke to

1341
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 2: MG and they said, yeah, whatever you want to turn off,

1342
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: the customize the it's the starbut on the steering wheel, right,

1343
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: So once you can customize that. So once you push that,

1344
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: you choose what you want to turn off. And I

1345
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: still want to keep the speed warning on there. I

1346
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: still want to keep like emergency this on there, but

1347
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: I want to turn off the sleep stuff and the

1348
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: bloody concentrate on the road crap, and so yeah, it's

1349
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: that's to me, that's one of the great things.

1350
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: In the defense of all those safety systems. I am

1351
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: technologically blown away by how accurate they are. I disagree

1352
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: the fact that they can mate if I if I

1353
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: am tired, it's it knows that they're not. But if

1354
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: I am not looking at the road, it knows it.

1355
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing that they've nailed that. I just

1356
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: think the implementation of the warning is fucking her end.

1357
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. I didn't think so at all. I

1358
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: don't think they know when I'm tired. It's gone off

1359
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: a lot of the time. When I'm not. When you

1360
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: look at the speed half the time, it's fucking sha

1361
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: Like you go from say here, go over the bridge,

1362
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: which is a five minute drive, right, it thinks it's

1363
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: it's hit three different four different speeds. It's like it

1364
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: still hasn't registered. And no, no, this is not a

1365
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty k zoning.

1366
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: Ones the ones that automatically break down to another speed

1367
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: when it's passes a speed sign and you're on a motorway,

1368
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: you're going one hundred and you drive past an off

1369
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: ramp and it says seventy for the off ram and

1370
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, it's seventy and fucking You're like, dude,

1371
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: does it which ones? I can't remember which one that was,

1372
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: but it happened to me once, and I'm like, holy shit.

1373
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: It was because I was in cruise control, so it

1374
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: was like he was trying to automatically adjust to the cruise.

1375
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah,

1376
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: and by the way, just a shit cantesla quickly at

1377
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: the end. In that uber that I was in the

1378
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: other day driving out to more Bank, I was sleeping

1379
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: in the back. Was a fucking hour drive and it's

1380
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: fantom breaked twice on the seven.

1381
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

1382
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: So he's just driving long at eighty and it think

1383
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: just goes to break because it detects something that it

1384
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: thinks is going to be a problem, and it's just bullshit.

1385
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: It's not a real problem. Oh God, fantom breaking, mate,

1386
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's the word. Bike didn't even apologize either. I

1387
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: was very four stars to that bloke.

1388
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: That happened to us once. In my wife's volvo. It

1389
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: fucking just breaked, and I'm like, what the fuck and

1390
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: the steering wheel. I'm sorry.

1391
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: The seatbelt.

1392
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: The seatbelts like lock back, and it's scarce.

1393
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: The shit out in the road coming into our kind

1394
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: of suburb has it's like fifty ks an hour, but

1395
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: has a slight turning and along the road there's parking

1396
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: all the way for people to who live there, right,

1397
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: and there's always these cars on the out what would

1398
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: be the outside of the turn, and it sets off

1399
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: fifty percent of cars forward collision at no, no, mate, I'm turning.

1400
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: It's the fucking road. It's okay, Relax, I'm turning the

1401
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: fucking corner.

1402
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: Relax. We we've got along terribly well in this episode

1403
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: and it's going to piss a lot of people off.

1404
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: And oh, that's right, we had beef. Sorry, I've forgotten

1405
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: that we were meant to have beef.

1406
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I blame you. You know what it is. It's

1407
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: because you're skinny now, and I find you quite good

1408
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: looking at it.

1409
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: And I'll come back in another six months and see

1410
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: if we've actually made some progress on that.

1411
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: Hey, let's let's get to a couple of questions. When

1412
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: is the merch coming out? And how do I get it?

1413
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: Regards Dan W.

1414
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: W W dot shit merch dot com.

1415
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: Shut up. You know what my favorite? Do you know

1416
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: what I've actually like? I remember when you do come

1417
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,479
Speaker 2: on here, I'm always like straight on your but I thought,

1418
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just gonna let you talk today.

1419
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let you go. I've had a hard

1420
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: day on the on the ones, and yeah, I've had

1421
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: to talk about Justin Bieber and I've really had to

1422
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: talk about Taylor Swift.

1423
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: Remember the sticky you gave me, You gave me one

1424
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: of your drivers show stickers. Yeah, I've still got that.

1425
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: It's stuck on the lid of the bin out in

1426
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: the front of the office. We've got a big commercial

1427
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: bin and it's every time I put something in the bin,

1428
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: there's you're poorly fuck you, I'll send you.

1429
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 2: Gave me a you gave me ATM hat once and unfortunately,

1430
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: I bloody love that hat. And this was when I

1431
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: was living in quite a posh area with a country club.

1432
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: I wore it to the country club gym and I

1433
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: left it on the beach scene.

1434
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: Which one the one with the stripe or the ones

1435
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: with the logo on the side, the.

1436
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: Black one, Yeah, it was the one with the logo

1437
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: on the side. It was the classic one. I'd like

1438
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: one because like I fucking went to have a shower

1439
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: and I came back in some old bastard had taken

1440
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: my e DM.

1441
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: Man, he's a big fan the FtM. But that's okay whatever,

1442
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: he's a big fan that. What is atm f TM

1443
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: Everything for the Man?

1444
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?

1445
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: That's what reason I stood for you?

1446
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: Is that? Are you trying to do like a fucking

1447
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: man show, Jimmy Kimmel.

1448
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: No, No, it was just it was the idea was

1449
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: that it was you know, there was so much women's

1450
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: content on the internet, Mum and mirr and all that.

1451
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: There was no.

1452
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: You're going to be the mail being freeman just teching

1453
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: cars made sense. Everything for the Man? Welcome to what's

1454
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: the next fucking question?

1455
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: I want to go home. Everything, man, my wife's calling me.

1456
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: Everything Everything for the Man sounds like a fucking website.

1457
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: I do not want to visit. Okay, here we go.

1458
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: Should we be pushing hybrid cars before ev seeing as

1459
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: we don't have infrastructure for charging them? Well, thank you

1460
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: for that, Doug WOOKI we kind of. That's actually an

1461
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: interesting question. That's a great point, given that we've shadowing

1462
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: a lot of the infrastructure.

1463
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: Of anyone that says that they do a lot of

1464
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: driving a lot of a lot of kilometers in terms

1465
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: of rural driving and stuff. Yeah, hybrid is definitely going

1466
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: to be a better option. And by the way, the

1467
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: plug in hybrids are a brilliant option because you get

1468
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: to have the full EV experience at home around town,

1469
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,479
Speaker 1: but you've got the benefit of range.

1470
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: No, they're making way better plug in hybrids now than

1471
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: they work like two years.

1472
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: So byd shark going like, see so many of them

1473
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: on the road and the country. The JQ that I'm driving, like,

1474
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: it's got that benefit of being an EV around town,

1475
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: but it's a fucking a thousand commoners range. It's so good.

1476
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: The key is and the Bloody Yandais are making some

1477
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: great hybrids, some really good ones. When we're Donna and

1478
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: ham Hamburger warmers, be back on who's Trevor Long again.

1479
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Thank you for that one. Yeah,

1480
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: Donna and Hamburger warmers. That's a joke because I don't

1481
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: worry use she warms at Hamburgers in spots wible a

1482
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: good gear anyway. I just I prefer those questions. To

1483
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: be honest, I'm not going into any of the fucking

1484
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: We'll leave those for Paul. Wow.

1485
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Paul bothers to come back.

1486
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: Actually he's on next app he'll be back next up.

1487
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: I know his name's on the fucking billboard and he's

1488
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: been too busy traveling.

1489
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: Update the billboards. That's all I'm saying.

1490
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: He's, uh, what for you?

1491
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: Just for the show?

1492
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: Actually, once upon a time you wouldn't have fitted. But

1493
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: now some sort of like filter on.

1494
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: Your photo show to put myself over that? Yeah, yeah,

1495
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: really pissed Paul off.

1496
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: Well look a look at Look how fucking white I'm

1497
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 2: looking these days. Look at that? I look like like

1498
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: Donna's left hit.

1499
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bit of tan going on there. That's

1500
01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: fake tan.

1501
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: No, No, I had a real time there.

1502
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: Really.

1503
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did get my first fake tan.

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: I love that Paul's laughing at you in the photo too.

1505
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: Fun. Fact, they're two different photos. I can see that,

1506
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: all right, they're fucking photo.

1507
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: Paul called dead taking a photo with you?

1508
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: Yes, he would would. I reckon if I booked in

1509
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: like a proper photo.

1510
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: Shoot, does Paul do this show?

1511
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 2: You would be surprised.

1512
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: Why does Paul do this show? Because it's it's that's

1513
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: the question that keeps coming up on Instagram.

1514
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. This is a reputable car program. This

1515
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: is absolutely it's better than fucking two idiots and a navy.

1516
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: Is that guy what's his name?

1517
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: Finnick Stephen?

1518
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good guy. He's actually a good guy. I

1519
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: don't know why he hangs out with you.

1520
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: Money probably is not related at all.

1521
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: They're not related at all. They do look alike.

1522
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: They're phoenix, they're multice I guess that's the only women, right.

1523
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh there gays your little you know you. Probably everyone

1524
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: probably thought, oh fuck, he's like he's hanging out with

1525
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: Jeff Fenix brother. That's cool.

1526
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: Most people think it's pretty cool that he's Maria or

1527
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: Frenix brother in his own right. He did play for

1528
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: South Sydney as well.

1529
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: Stephen, So yeah, there's that, but it's not it's called

1530
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: as Jeffick h Murray. Yeah, that's fuck Maria.

1531
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: Wow there it is a visual well a, it's been

1532
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: great hanging out with you. Can I go now?

1533
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: No? I want to I want to talk to you

1534
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: just two more minutes.

1535
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: My wife wants me home put her on, No, no,

1536
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: she just you.

1537
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: Get the whole When are you coming home?

1538
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1539
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: How far does it? How long does it take to

1540
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: drive home?

1541
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: I reckon twenty five minutes at this time of night.

1542
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: There you get.

1543
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: It's all a good time.

1544
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: What are you driving that? Or what are you going

1545
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: to be driving that you're really excited about before we go?

1546
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: Ummm, Once you've had like a round thousand dollars g wagon,

1547
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to find the next exciting thing. So yeah,

1548
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: it's all a bit downhill from here.

1549
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: Do you know what? I jumped into Masda m X

1550
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 2: five the other day. Shout out to the lovely Focused

1551
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: Subtle and Masda who just contacted me and said, hey,

1552
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: do you want an m X five for the for

1553
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,479
Speaker 2: the week And it's like the special edition sp blah

1554
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: blah blah. Yeah right, I haven't jumped in a great car.

1555
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: It's so good. But here's my thing, why would it?

1556
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: And sorry to Sutherland Master and which, by the way,

1557
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: you guys were one of the best dealers I've ever

1558
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: walked into. Everyone's friendly, and I'm going to show its

1559
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: a big difference. I'm going to shout them out because

1560
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: those sorts of experiences are like far between. Anyway, why

1561
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: would anyone buy a brand new Mazda MX five. Here's

1562
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: my thing. It feels exactly like it did five years ago.

1563
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 2: It hasn't changed much.

1564
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, when you just buy a five

1565
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: year old one, yeah, because I mean like it's like

1566
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: warranty maybe maybe car experience.

1567
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: It feels exactly the same. And Geszu's saving a lot

1568
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: of money if you do, like, you're saving a lot.

1569
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, the Apple car play on those

1570
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: new ones, you've still got to control it through the

1571
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: fucking wind.

1572
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: Why, Well, that's the problem with it's a five year

1573
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: old car, a new Masa with.

1574
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: Touchscreen, you don't but but that's what I'm saying.

1575
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: But it's like it's it's still an old model, like

1576
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: they haven't actually updated yeah anything inside the car. It's

1577
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: they're just fucking rolling the same thing off the production.

1578
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what's But you know, he's such a

1579
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: fun engage.

1580
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 1: Don't buy that car for touchscreen. You buy that car

1581
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: for the windy roads and the fucking ride and handling it. Well,

1582
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: that's a great car.

1583
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 2: You turn all that ship off. Yeah, you know what's

1584
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 2: still good is the bloody Toyota eighty six.

1585
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking how the driver's car.

1586
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: It's still great. It's such as there's such a good

1587
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: reason why that's a cult car. It's I had a

1588
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: mate of mine who's got a GT three RS, and

1589
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: he said that Toyota eighty six that I had is

1590
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 2: just as engaging. It's the only other car that's as

1591
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 2: engaged his Porsche. That's a bit he's driven.

1592
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a manual mode, it would be yeah, yeah,

1593
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: so much fun.

1594
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: Great car.

1595
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: That's what you get when you actually have someone who,

1596
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: like a company, decides to build a car and refine

1597
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: the drive that we go right back to the leap matter.

1598
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: You just I'm not saying we can make it drive

1599
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: like an eighty six. You need someone to go should

1600
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: the suspension be different, Should we influence the steering in

1601
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: some way? You know?

1602
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: It needs hard to engineer. I reckon a lot of

1603
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: these evs, like it's hard to get a road for They've.

1604
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: Got the best fucking weight distribution possible because the battery

1605
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: is low, it should be actually really good.

1606
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: You look at a Ionic five N that is that

1607
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: is probably one of the great that's the greatest EV

1608
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: you can get it's and it's such a brilliant lesson

1609
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: to anyone who is bringing out an EV because it's

1610
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: so us. It just feels the road like nothing else.

1611
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 2: For sure, it's fucking amazing. So nothing, nothing you're looking

1612
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 2: forward to, all right, So.

1613
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: I'm for every day in life, but yeah, I'm not

1614
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: looking forward to returning the g wagon at this point.

1615
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: Sad days.

1616
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: Okay. Contact at the Drivershow dot com dot au. Thank

1617
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: you for coming on.

1618
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: Man, it's my pleasure. No, it's as long as Paul's

1619
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: not here.

1620
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: No, let's kill him off next time he comes in.

1621
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna push your face on there just to see

1622
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: what happens.

1623
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, mate, we didn't update it.

1624
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, these the numbers were good, would you take Yeah?

1625
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 2: I reckon. You need to start doing like a centerfold

1626
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 2: for us, do like a centifold naked shot.

1627
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: That's definitely not gonna happen.

1628
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in there, buddy, Thanks for listening to

1629
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: The Driver's Show. If you'd like to put your brand here,

1630
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: you can now sponsor us. Contact at the Driver's Show

1631
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: podcast dot com dot au or drop us a DM

1632
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: at the Driver's Show podcast dot com dot you on

1633
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: insta at the very least, you'll be helping two car

1634
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: nerds in need.