1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,119 Speaker 1: We know that the Chief Minister has announced a raft 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: of different measures earlier this morning. A lot of people 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: sort of taking a closer look at those measures now 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: and whether they are going to have a positive impact 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: or just what kind of impact they're going to have 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: now joining me in the studio to talk about the situation. Well, 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: really from an on the ground perspective, I think you'd 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: have to say is Shelley Lay, who is the co 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: owner of zicoli IgA, and they've also got celebrations there. 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Shelley. 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: Shelley. 13 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: It has been a really tough week. There is no 14 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: other way to put it. As somebody who works in 15 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: a bottle shop, whose husband works in that bottle shop, 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: who has staff that work in that bottle shop, how 17 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: tough has this week been for you hearing of exactly 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: what is unfolded with young Declan. 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: It's safe to say that it's been devastating. 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, And like you said, I'm a bottle shop worker, 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 4: my husband's a bottle shop worker, my staff are bottle 22 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 4: shop workers. 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: But mostly i'm a parent. 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 4: Too, like we all are, a mother and what's happened 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 4: to that young boy should never have happened. 26 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: It should never have happened, and that's how we all like. 27 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: That is exactly how we all feel. And it has 28 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: been such a sad week, you know, speaking to his 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: dad earlier in the week, the courage that that man 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: showed to be able to speak so beautifully about his 31 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: young fella is like, it was so admirable. 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: And I think what it has done, it is. 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: Just it has really touched the hearts of everybody in 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 4: I totally agree we all feel touched by this. I 36 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: have people calling me at the IgA saying, Shelly, how 37 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: can we help this family. We want to do a barbecue, 38 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 4: we want a fundraise, they want to do something. I 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: went and laid flowers myself at the BWS on Monday. 40 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 4: I just couldn't sit there and do nothing. And we 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 4: all felt like we wanted to show this family that 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 4: we're standing tall with you or giving you love, even 43 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: though we don't know you. You're a complete stranger to us, 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 4: but we would just want to show you that we care. 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you spot on everybody does. We all in the 46 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: Northern Territory care, and we also we care about everybody 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: that's working in bottle shops right now, but right across 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and want to make sure that people 49 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: are safe that something like this does not happen again. 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: You know, as somebody who is dealing with difficult situations 51 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: with asking people if they're on you know, like with 52 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: asking them for their licenses, getting their license scan for 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: the BDR and that kind of thing. Can you tell me, lo, 54 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: do you feel like it is a dangerous situation more 55 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: like fairly often. 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: I didn't really use to think that way, but yes, 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 4: now I do. They can be confronting situations when you 58 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: do ask somebody for their license or then have to 59 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 4: refuse the service to that person. And people who are 60 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 4: selling takeaway alcohol are in that situation, some stores more 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 4: than others. So you imagine telling somebody who is already 62 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: on the BDR. So that's the Band Drinkers Register. They 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 4: are a person who is on that Band Drinkers Register 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: for a reason. So that's because they're on the wrong 65 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 4: side of the law. Generally they've had a violent background, 66 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: domestic violence, drink driver, etc. I understand there's over three 67 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 4: thousand people on that Band Drinkers Register. So when you 68 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: have to tell that person that you cannot serve them alcohol. 69 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: That is a confronting situation. And whether Declan was in 70 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: that on Sunday night, we understand that he has refused 71 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 4: somebody alcohol for some reason which has led to this event. 72 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: We need to be. 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: Safer in our job when we are required by law 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 4: to action this now. 75 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: The government this morning making a number of different announcements 76 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: in this space, some of those in an effort to 77 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: keep workers safer. What do you make of that announcement 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: this morning. 79 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 4: I certainly welcome anything that's going to work with us 80 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 4: to make us safer. 81 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 3: Katie. 82 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: I understand that there are being some reviews to bail laws. 83 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: I want these people off the streets now. I don't 84 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 4: want people that have had a history of weapon violence 85 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 4: or even any type of weapons. 86 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: So there's talking. 87 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 4: About sharp edged well, sharp weapon or edged weapons I 88 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 4: think the word is but what about a bat? What 89 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: about a stolen vehicle that is a bigger weapon than 90 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 4: a knife? So I think we've really got to look 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: at these people that are breaking the law and making 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 4: sure that they're all being captured under this review, and 93 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: it needs to happen now. 94 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: They need to get off the streets today. 95 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: Shelley They've also said that they're going to have improved 96 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: support and safety training for retail workers, presumably that includes 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: businesses like your own. 98 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 2: Is that going to help? 99 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: I hope. I hope it does. 100 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 4: And look, I think want we definitely want to welcome 101 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 4: anything that's going to educate us more in this space 102 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: to be able to deal with problem people. I was 103 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: on my neighborhood watch board meeting last night and they 104 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: are even looking at they currently we currently offer self 105 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 4: defense type classes for private citizens, but looking at expanding 106 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: that into the business space as well. So I think 107 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: anything that can help us be better prepared and armed 108 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 4: ourselves around our personal safety and how to handle situations 109 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: is definitely welcomes. 110 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: Is not just insane though, that we're at that point, 111 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: do you know, Like I do want to point out, 112 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: like my children learn jiu jitsu. I do that so 113 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: that they're not in a situation where they're gonna end 114 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: up getting rolled. You know, Like, isn't that just an 115 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: incredible situation for us to be it? 116 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent. 117 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: And as a parent, and as many parents here and 118 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 4: the people I talked to in our store, Oh, I 119 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: can't let my kid ride his bike down to the 120 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 4: local shops. They don't want to go to the major 121 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: shops because there's drama there. Like we are all feeling 122 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 4: like there is there are people within our community that 123 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 4: are doing the wrong thing, and we want them off 124 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: our streets. 125 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: Well, we want them to be consequences when those actions 126 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: are occurring as well. And I'm not sure if you 127 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: saw the footage on nine newsta And last night of 128 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: a corner store where there was knives pulled on one 129 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: of the staff members. Now that's the corner store that 130 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I frequent and I know those young people that work there. 131 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: They've got beautiful stuff in that corner store, as all 132 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: of our corner stores and all of our our local 133 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: establishments do. 134 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: But I just, you know, you. 135 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: Think to yourself, like that's vision from last Thursday is 136 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: my understanding. And then we have the situation that had 137 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: unfolded on Sunday night. We have got people getting around 138 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: with knives with other types of weapons who are not 139 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: scared of the consequence or not scared of how their 140 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: actions are going to impact other people. 141 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: Look, I agree, why are there people with knives on 142 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 4: our streets? I can give you an instance where we 143 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: had a lady who came into our store and she 144 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: actually stole a Stanley knife and she went in to 145 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 4: the bottle shop with that and she was that They 146 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: managed to get her out, but she came back with 147 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: a star picket. Now fortunately the police had been called 148 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: and they were there as she was coming back, and 149 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: as soon as she saw the police she dropped it. 150 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: But an example of how having a presence of law 151 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: enforcing people can change the behavior of people because they 152 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 4: feel like there perhaps is a consequence there. 153 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: So what do you I mean, do you think that 154 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: with this announcement as well of the funding for the 155 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: crowd controllers at those outlets, So basically government's going to 156 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: assist with funding of security and crowd controllers at takeaway 157 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: liquor outlets until the. 158 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: End of June. Is that something that's going to help 159 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: a business like yours. 160 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 4: Well, we currently already have our security guard with our 161 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: dog on and so I am wondering how the practical 162 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: application of this is going to happen. And I don't 163 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: know where I can find that information, but can I 164 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 4: go and get a guard right now this morning? And 165 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 4: the government is going to pay for that or are 166 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 4: they going to assist in paying for that are they. 167 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: Paying one hundred percent? 168 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: And is it for the whole day that we're open, 169 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: and is it for the night. I need to know 170 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: further details, and I think industry do really need to 171 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: know that we as supermarket bottle shops are not part 172 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: of anti hospitality, so we are not kept as much 173 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 4: in the loop. If they are aware of how to 174 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: get that, I'm not sure at this stage, but we 175 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 4: need to know. Kenny just went in to open the 176 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 4: bottle shop, so as we speak, he's there. 177 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: In the bottle shop. 178 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: You know, so I want security, give us security. Yep. 179 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: Well, look, it does sound as though there's still plenty 180 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: of detail that needs to be worked through. And I 181 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: really hope that these changes have a positive impact because 182 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: goodness knows the community needs it and deserves it. 183 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: We sure do. 184 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: And and the fact that a young Territorian's life has 185 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 4: been lost, some change needs to happen. 186 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: His death cannot be in vain. 187 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Shelly Lay, it's always good to catch up with you. 188 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning and 189 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: coming into the studio. 190 00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, thank you