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Speaker 2: Now, we are pretty hardcore on only thinking one or

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Speaker 3: And now here's the stars of our show.

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Speaker 2: My mum and dad. Hey, Kylie, We've had an email

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Speaker 2: come through two podcasts at happy families dot com dot

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Speaker 2: au asking about the whole family meeting thing that we

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Speaker 2: talk about a lot. My name is Justin by the way,

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Speaker 2: Justin Colson have written a bunch of books about raising

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Speaker 2: happy families, and you, Kylie, are my wife and mum

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Speaker 2: to our six kids. Every now and again we talk

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Speaker 2: has emailed us and said, what's the deal with the meetings?

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Speaker 2: We want to be more organized, we want to be

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Speaker 2: we have three meetings and I thought we should kind

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Speaker 2: the stuff we do, it's kind of like a weird,

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Speaker 3: I think when you're first starting out, the idea of

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Speaker 3: But over time we didn't start with three meetings. We

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Speaker 1: Well? That was all you're doing?

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Speaker 3: It's the Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 3: poor parent who just wants answers Now and today we've

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Speaker 2: It's in response to somebody's email a podcast at happy

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Speaker 2: What goes on in these meetings? What meetings are you having?

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