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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie wilf on Mixed one oh four

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Speaker 1: point nine thanks to Joyce Main Darwin. It has been

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Speaker 1: reported that there's been a data breach. Now apparently Services

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Speaker 1: Australia sent an email on Friday notifying businesses which accept

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Speaker 1: the Basics card that the rollout of that cash list

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Speaker 1: debit card was due to begin on March seventeen, so

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Speaker 1: in just a couple of days. But apparently basically the

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Speaker 1: email then was not sort of you know, not BC

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Speaker 1: seed and what it meant is that the email addresses

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Speaker 1: of more than six hundred Territorians who work in those

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Speaker 1: businesses well went out. Now Services Australia spokeswoman has confirmed

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Speaker 1: human error had led to the email addresses being visible.

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Speaker 1: But joining us on the line to talk more about

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Speaker 1: this is Senator for the Northern Territory, Melanderye McCarthy. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to your senator.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to listeners.

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Speaker 1: Talk us through the situation. What exactly happened from your perspective.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's certainly of a disastrous start to a

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Speaker 2: program that we had hoped the Federal government would give

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Speaker 2: us a whole lot more confidence on what this means Katie,

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Speaker 2: just for your listeners is that in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: the Cashist debit card is being introduced voluntarily. We were

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Speaker 2: certainly opposed to the compulsory role out of it. And

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Speaker 2: those businesses that already have the Basics card, and there's

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Speaker 2: over six hundred of them, were sent an email later

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Speaker 2: on Friday, and that email was explaining how the Cashist

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Speaker 2: debit card would start this Wednesday. And the concern, of course,

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Speaker 2: and I've been interested to know if any of those

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Speaker 2: businesses speak with you. The concern, of course was that

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Speaker 2: when the Department sent those emails of over six hundred,

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Speaker 2: they had basically put all the emails on there, so

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Speaker 2: it was a breach of privacy.

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Speaker 1: Goodness me so more than six hundred of those territories

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Speaker 1: the email addresses went out. Have any of them been

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Speaker 1: in contact with you so far? MELANDERI? And what have

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Speaker 1: they seen?

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Speaker 2: Look, I haven't had direct contact at the moment. I'm

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Speaker 2: in Canberra, so I will be in touch with my

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Speaker 2: even any of the participants on the Basics card have

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Speaker 2: been in touch Katie. But what I can tell you

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Speaker 2: is that this doesn't bode well for confidence. I've been

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Speaker 2: very concerned, as you and your listeners know, about the

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Speaker 2: forced rolling out of the Cashist debit card on the territory,

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Speaker 2: and we fought very hard in the last settings of

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Speaker 2: last year to stop that compulsory rollout, which we were

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Speaker 2: able to do. But what's occurring now is a voluntary rollout,

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Speaker 2: and that voluntary rollout is providing no information. I'm hearing

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Speaker 2: anecdotally from Basics card recipients that they're not getting any

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Speaker 2: information on this and it's a real concern.

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Speaker 1: It is a real concern, and you know, I also

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Speaker 1: think it's a real concern obviously that we've got this

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Speaker 1: data breach. Have the government said thus far as to

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Speaker 1: you know, exactly what's caused that and if they're going

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Speaker 1: to be able to sort of ensure that it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good question. Next week we have

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Speaker 2: Senate estimates here in Canberra and I will certainly be

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Speaker 2: putting those very questions Katie to the Department. It's not

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Speaker 2: good enough that there's been a data breach, and it's

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Speaker 2: not good enough if there's not been any information provided

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Speaker 2: to people in the territory. We have over twenty three

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Speaker 2: thousand Territorians who are on the Basics card and they

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Speaker 2: will need to know what the cashier's debit card means.

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Speaker 2: And there are other Territorians who could very well be

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Speaker 2: on the cash's debit card before the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator, I do want to ask you just quickly.

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Speaker 1: I know that you are in Canberra, as you've mentioned,

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Speaker 1: and we know that there is a mass rally which

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Speaker 1: has been organized today at Parliament House in Canberra and

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Speaker 1: it's called March for Justice. I'm not sure what the

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Speaker 1: feeling is at Parliament House today. Are you able to

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Speaker 1: sort of let us know if if there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of women around and what we're anticipating.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Katie, we certainly are seeing the color black everywhere. People,

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Speaker 2: This is about Australian women saying enough is enough, that

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Speaker 2: we want people at all levels of the political spectrum

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Speaker 2: I think today is going to be an important day

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Speaker 1: And I know that there had been an offer by

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Speaker 1: those organizers or with those organizers that's been rejected. They're

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Speaker 1: calling on the Prime Minister to actually go out on

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct, Katie, it's what I'm hearing as well.

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Speaker 2: There is a real call for leadership here and above

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Speaker 2: politics in the sense that you've got to have the

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Speaker 2: leaders of the highest point, and that's the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 2: the Minister for Women and other coalition members being able

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Speaker 2: of the fore court. This is far deeper than people realize.

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Speaker 2: It's sure it's here in Parliament House, but it's actually

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Speaker 2: about those women in particular who are survivors of assault

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Speaker 2: and abuse of all sorts of kinds in our country

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Speaker 2: and other women who just say certain kind of behavior

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Speaker 2: has to stop. So I think this is a deeper

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Speaker 2: message for our country that Australian women have come together

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Speaker 2: of all political persuasion, shapes and sizes, religion, and they're

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Speaker 2: asking the federal leaders here and that's everyone, not just

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Speaker 2: the coalition government, but it's all politicians to really stand

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Speaker 2: strong and firm against this and respect women in this country.

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Speaker 1: Senator, are you going to be joining those women today?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I'll be walking out with a lot of my

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Speaker 2: colleagues and we will head out at about quarter to

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Speaker 2: twelve Canberra time to walk out the front of Parliament

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Speaker 2: and join the march and give our support to the

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Speaker 2: men and women who are coming here. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: isn't just a women's issue, this is our country's issue

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Speaker 2: and I really commend all of the people who are

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Speaker 2: taking to the streets today.

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Speaker 1: Senator Melanderie McCarthy, it's always good to speak with you.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, Thank you.