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Speaker 1: We have just over a week away from the October

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Speaker 1: fourteen referendum for a voice to Parliament.

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Speaker 2: We've spoken to a number of people.

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Speaker 1: On the Yes camp, but I have found it a

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Speaker 1: and the Senator for the Northern Territory, Jacinta Nampa jimper Price,

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Speaker 1: joins me on the line.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your senator.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. It's good to be back on radio

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Speaker 3: with Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. How have you

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Speaker 1: been going traveling around the country with the no campaign?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good, good good. You know, the response around the

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Speaker 3: country has just been incredible. There are a lot of

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Speaker 3: a lot of Australians who have an immense amount of

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Speaker 3: goodwill for benefiting the lives of our most marginalized in

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Speaker 3: this country and they want what's best for everybody. But

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Speaker 3: the feeling is, the sense is that the Voice is

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Speaker 3: not the way to go. I mean, there is no

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Speaker 3: demonstration of how it's going to do grieve anybody's life,

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Speaker 3: so people are really concerned about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been I think the biggest issue that we've

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Speaker 1: had raised on the show, and I've got to say,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of our listeners have been really quite

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Speaker 1: constructive in the discussions that we've been having. Whether they

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Speaker 1: constructive and you know, respectful of one another. But unfortunately

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Speaker 1: that's not been the case quite a bit of the

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Speaker 1: time right around the nation. And we saw yesterday well

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Speaker 1: Ray Martin came under fire for slamming No voters in

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Speaker 1: the Voice to Parliament referendum. He gave a fiery speech

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Speaker 1: at the Yes campaign event in Sydney's Inner West, calling

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Speaker 1: people who are voting based on the slogan if you

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Speaker 1: don't know, vote no.

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Speaker 2: A dinosaur or a dickhead.

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Speaker 1: He said, what I found offensive is the stupid slogan

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Speaker 1: saying if you don't know, vote no. That's an endorsement

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Speaker 1: of ignorance, He reckons, Senator, is it.

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Speaker 3: Well, the point is that basically, when you go to

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Speaker 3: ask the questions to find out how the voice will work,

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Speaker 3: how it's supposed to improve anybody's life, you know, how

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Speaker 3: questions go unanswered, so you're left without knowing how it's

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Speaker 3: supposed to improve anybody's life. And that's the point. If

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Speaker 3: you don't know, and if the answers aren't being provided,

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Speaker 3: that's a huge red flag. You know, you can't you

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Speaker 3: can't support something but you don't know the details on

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Speaker 3: about a change to our constitution, the constitution that belongs

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Speaker 1: It's like I said, it's unfortunately, you know, divisive language.

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Speaker 1: I think that gets people off side. And again I

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Speaker 1: But it's it's been a pretty ordinary situation around the country.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen divisive language. We've seen people getting

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction to that video? And then of

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Speaker 1: course Lydia's comments following.

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Speaker 3: Look, no one should be subject to that kind of behavior.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a calling. And you know, Lydia is right,

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Speaker 3: the communist that has to take responsibility for the level

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Speaker 3: of division that this referendum has brought about. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Does the No campaign sort of accept any responsibility or

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I mean the way that I see it

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Speaker 1: What's going to happen like next Saturday if the no

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Speaker 2: What next?

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Speaker 1: From your perspective? Because I guess for so many of

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Speaker 1: what sort of happens if the no vote gets up

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Speaker 3: Well, that absolutely not. I mean there's sorts of changes

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Speaker 3: And we have to start listening to those voices on

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Speaker 3: Build this accommodation for our most vulnerable kids in our community.

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Speaker 3: We will look after them. We will make sure they're educated.

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Speaker 3: Even though there's still one hundred million dollars unallocated out

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon those that the country is going to

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Speaker 1: How do you reckon that's going to make you know,

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Speaker 3: I have no doubt that, you know, there is going

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you. I know, obviously you've been

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Speaker 2: Really terrible incidents.

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Speaker 1: Well, not just in Darwin, I know there's always a

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you.

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Speaker 1: Know the issues that we deal with, but what needs

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look, we have had enough. And this is

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Speaker 3: I mean also, you know, the listing of the age

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Speaker 3: And I think it's just heartbreaking what's occurred, particularly up

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Speaker 1: No, it certainly shouldn't. And I know, like we've spoken

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Speaker 1: need to be looking at some alcohol restrictions up in

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think if it's if the government

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Speaker 3: should be good enough for the top end. But there

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Speaker 3: needs to be a plan in place, I feel, effectively

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Speaker 3: how to manage alcohol going forward. You know, I've still

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Speaker 3: got my Private Senator's Bill which is sitting there on

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Speaker 3: the papers that is about empowering and working with schedule

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Speaker 3: and Territory government to help develop alcohol management plans. And

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Speaker 3: that's the problem is we haven't gone down the road

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Speaker 1: there listening this morning that see the Voice as potentially

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Speaker 1: being the change that we need, that you know, that

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Speaker 1: are looking at it and going, do you know what.

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Speaker 1: I may still have some concerns with it, but at

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Speaker 1: least it's going to look at things differently to the

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Speaker 1: way that we've been doing them in the past.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd say that it's not doing things differently. I

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Speaker 3: suggest that creating an entirely in bureaucracy that's taxpayer hundred

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Speaker 3: is nothing new. We've done that several times over. We've

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Speaker 3: got thousands of bureaucracies. The only different things we're putting

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Speaker 3: it in our constitution. That does not magically make it effective.

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Speaker 3: But that's what that means is that we will enshrine

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Speaker 3: failure should it fail, And I have no doubt clearly

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Speaker 3: it can't demonstrate how it is supposed to work effectively

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Speaker 3: or improve anybody's life. So I would say that we're

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Speaker 3: enshrining failure in the face in the form of racial separatism.

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Speaker 3: And that is not how a bureaucracy for a bureaucracy

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Speaker 3: democracy should be working in twenty twenty three. And you know,

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Speaker 3: just a feeling is not good enough. It actually has

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Speaker 3: to demonstrate with clarity how it's going to improve anybody's life,

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Speaker 3: and so far it's failed. The proposal fails to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, just Center NAPA.

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Speaker 1: Jimper Price, Senator for the Northern Territory, we appreciate you

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Speaker 1: speaking to us this morning. Thank you for taking the

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Speaker 1: time to have a chat.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Katie, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It is