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Speaker 1: obviously just leaking our private phone conversations at this point, because,
Speaker 1: let's face it, we would be debriefing real Housewives of
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills even if we weren't recording it and putting
Speaker 1: it on a podcast. Today, we will unpack episode three,
Speaker 1: which includes our hot takes on what the girls got
Speaker 1: up to this week, and including some of our golden
Speaker 1: nuggets of gossip that we have found from scouring the internet.
Speaker 1: We will discuss the change of pace in the episode
Speaker 1: and if the producers are trying to avoid negative backlash
Speaker 1: and the social media commentary. I will get Alana's perspective
Speaker 1: on Kathy Hilton's hats, and we will find out how
Speaker 1: much they are worth and if you should buy them yourself.
Speaker 1: We will address the awkward x wive that ban Kyle
Speaker 1: and duritz and ability to relinquish their roles in PK
Speaker 1: and Maritzio's new Bachelor Lives. You were going to get
Speaker 1: plenty of commentary on Durreit's continued beef with Kyle, what
Speaker 1: we think of Teddy Mellencamp being dragged in, if Kyle
Speaker 1: has her heart in this season, and what the producers
Speaker 1: are foreshadowing with this whole Kyle Richard's takedown. There is
Speaker 1: so much to talk about, with so many inside revelations
Speaker 1: from Alana in my perspective, So sit back and relax
Speaker 1: as we unpack the wonderful world of the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills Season fourteen, Episode three, Hey, how are
Speaker 1: you hello?
Speaker 2: So good to see you or hear you or both.
Speaker 1: I want to know about Christmas? So you losing your mind?
Speaker 1: Slipping into the Christ's period?
Speaker 2: Losing it. I've embraced my Martha Stuart era, and I've
Speaker 2: decorated the new house and I've made what like I've
Speaker 2: got some inspo from Instagram and they made like a
Speaker 2: little kmar village. And I spent eighty dollars on a
Speaker 2: light up read for the tree like I've gone besert.
Speaker 2: I need help, like send help.
Speaker 1: I just know you so well that you know your
Speaker 1: version of Christmas is like Western Australia's version of Kathy
Speaker 1: Hilton's Christmas Party.
Speaker 2: It's just my biggest goal is to be like Kathy
Speaker 2: Hilton in that way. It's so right.
Speaker 1: How's your no, I'm like the Kim Richards Christmas.
Speaker 2: Just a whole lot of empty.
Speaker 1: Bottles, empty bottles everywhere.
Speaker 2: Just a responsible amount of empty bottles.
Speaker 1: Well, here we are episode three, which is very exciting
Speaker 1: because I feel like we're moving very quickly and we're
Speaker 1: getting into things, and it's being able to tell us
Speaker 1: whether or not we're going to stick on one storyline
Speaker 1: or whether we're going to go in other places. So
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. However, last week I did ask
Speaker 1: you a question that I want to revisit straight away
Speaker 1: because our listeners may want to know your answer to it.
Speaker 1: But do you think some of the toxic culture online
Speaker 1: has subsided since Lisa Renner has left? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, you were the one that was more on Twitter,
Speaker 2: keeping abreast of it all, sort of see it on
Speaker 2: Instagram or Facebook, where all those accounts that you know,
Speaker 2: you sort of follow would repost things, and I guess
Speaker 2: there's been a shift in that I'm not seeing as
Speaker 2: much of it in terms of the heaviness. You know
Speaker 2: that we are the biggest Lisa Rinna fans. We loved Renna,
Speaker 2: but everyone obviously put a lot on her and really
Speaker 2: came for her. But it's so interesting that you brought
Speaker 2: that question up at the end of last week's episode.
Speaker 2: And when I watched this week's episode, I was like,
Speaker 2: hang on, this is maybe because production are giving us
Speaker 2: deliberately lighter episodes. Because last night's episode with the delivery
Speaker 2: of Kathy Hilton delivering these suitcases the Lorna Murray hats.
Speaker 2: She's Australian. By the way, side note, I would like
Speaker 2: to know how her online sales are going today, because
Speaker 2: literally how the episode is about those hats.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do something extra special, so I'm invading
Speaker 3: the girls with invitations inside personalized suitcases, and there was
Speaker 3: just nothing.
Speaker 2: There was the duck Duck goose, and there was nothing
Speaker 2: really happening on the trip, and there's Cathy eating a banana,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, I actually paused it at
Speaker 2: one point and was like, how far in are we?
Speaker 2: And we were eighteen minutes and I was like, I've
Speaker 2: seen nothing. So maybe that's why the toxic culture is
Speaker 2: backed off online a little bit because production giving us
Speaker 2: lighter episodes to sort of combat that.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, my first question is obvious,
Speaker 1: and that is the only way we know whether or
Speaker 1: not those Kathy Hilton hats of selling, whether it's an
Speaker 1: Australian person or anyone else, is if you've ordered one online.
Speaker 2: Well, I did look at them. My friend has to do.
Speaker 2: My friend actually has to They don't really suit me
Speaker 2: that much with the plates. I tried hers on and
Speaker 2: I was like, well, you know, I love a hat.
Speaker 1: I love a hat.
Speaker 2: I've got so many hats. Robbie's like, we're literally running
Speaker 2: out of room for these hats. I need a hat
Speaker 2: rom or something. But that particular style is probably not
Speaker 2: the best look for me. But I mean I might
Speaker 2: get caught up in the hype and just buy one anyway.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to know. That's what people want
Speaker 1: to know. They're expensive because Kathy Hilton dropping like.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're like two hundred bucks. Some of them are
Speaker 2: two sixty. But then she had a black Friday saleon,
Speaker 2: which is when I was looking at them and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, but I didn't quite commit. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say they're a cheap hat.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, in the landscape of hats, and this might
Speaker 1: be a different podcast. Is that a cheap hat in
Speaker 1: the landscape of hats? That's what I want to know
Speaker 1: is is these Kathy Hilton hats expensively?
Speaker 2: No? I would say that's on the opperacial line for
Speaker 2: a hat.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So do you think that we're getting
Speaker 1: a B side episode to combat the blowback? That's kind
Speaker 1: of what we were talking about.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're putting things in there that are
Speaker 2: just a bit simpler. They don't want everything to be
Speaker 2: as heavy. Having said that, it felt filler to me,
Speaker 2: it felt filler. I was like, what's happening? I think
Speaker 2: coming off those first two episodes in particular, where it
Speaker 2: was just hit the ground running from the start and
Speaker 2: you were sort of instantly involved in all the storylines
Speaker 2: and the kyl and jury drama and the breakups and
Speaker 2: the pque and all of it, and then suddenly we're
Speaker 2: just driving around for fifteen minutes watching Kathy Eta banana
Speaker 2: drop off some souit pases and then we're playing ducked
Speaker 2: up goose on a beach and some kind of running race.
Speaker 2: It just felt I wasn't looking at that thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: that's nice. I like watching the girls have fun. I
Speaker 2: was thinking this is really a bit snoozefest. Did you
Speaker 2: feel the same.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit third water slide at the
Speaker 1: water park for me being on the first water slide
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, this place is amazing.
Speaker 1: Second water Slide's still good, and then the third water
Speaker 1: slide You're like, what am I doing here? And how
Speaker 1: am I going to spend the rest of my day
Speaker 1: at the water poss I don't understand why anyone ever
Speaker 1: tries to pad out a series. You've got to go
Speaker 1: so hard with television these days, and maybe Housewives, if
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, they feel like they can do this. But
Speaker 1: I think it probably leans more into what you were
Speaker 1: talking about, and I think that they are trying to
Speaker 1: make sure that there's a little bit more fashion and
Speaker 1: fun so that we're not just getting hit over the
Speaker 1: head with too much of the fighting. Because I also
Speaker 1: feel like it would be very hard for Bose to
Speaker 1: come into this show and fit in correctly. If she's
Speaker 1: just going to come in and it's going to be
Speaker 1: blow by blow by blow.
Speaker 2: I no, I agree with you. I think look, I'm
Speaker 2: all for having some fun girly time. I think we
Speaker 2: could have seen more of the trip unless of Kathy
Speaker 2: delivering all the suitcases and stuff like that. Honestly just
Speaker 2: went on and on. I'm like, we're getting nothing from this.
Speaker 2: So that's where I think it was just a bit
Speaker 2: of a wasted opportunity.
Speaker 1: It's Kathy porn is what I like to call it,
Speaker 1: and I call.
Speaker 2: Goodness.
Speaker 1: But also Kathy is getting extra special attention this season
Speaker 1: to make sure that we as an audience like her.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel at this point of the show.
Speaker 1: And I went back and looked after watching, after hearing
Speaker 1: what you had to say about Kathy in Paris and
Speaker 1: Love and then going and watching a couple of those
Speaker 1: episodes from series one, she had some bad pare on
Speaker 1: doing that. I don't know who signed off on Paris
Speaker 1: and Love, like maybe Kathy was sitting at home was like,
Speaker 1: oh well, Paris has made some home videos, send them
Speaker 1: out without actually watching how bad she was. And then
Speaker 1: after we saw her say what she said about the
Speaker 1: DJ and Erica Jane and Lisa Rena holding her a
Speaker 1: task on that one, I feel like she's like, guys,
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen, I'm coming back. I'm coming back, but I
Speaker 1: want some Kathy porn, which is just me with glutton
Speaker 1: for good content. Feel good, Kathy.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the quirks, That's what it is. And I
Speaker 2: feel like you could have one of those little quirk
Speaker 2: counters in the corner and I was like, Oh, Kathy
Speaker 2: eating potato with sour cream and Cavier quirky, Kathy wearing
Speaker 2: her hat, quirky, Kathy eating a banana, quirky, Kathy wanting
Speaker 2: to play Doc Dot Goose quirky. And it's and then
Speaker 2: saying things like, oh, which elephants in the room, like
Speaker 2: when they were about to start getting into you know,
Speaker 2: the ins and outs of these ten between Kyle and Durid,
Speaker 2: and then she sort of jumps in with her hunky
Speaker 2: Dory and witch elephants in the room and oh, I
Speaker 2: just feel like it is feeling very orchestrated. To use
Speaker 2: your word from last week, That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: It was so funny that she went for that joke.
Speaker 1: She was like Oh, this is the opportunity to say
Speaker 1: something like hunky dory again. But she didn't quite commit
Speaker 1: to it, she didn't sell it, and so it just
Speaker 1: landed with a massive thought, Yeah, I agree, and.
Speaker 2: Everyone is like, oh, Kathy's so funny and Kathy's so quirky,
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, I don't think this is
Speaker 2: coming now from an organic, witty place. I just feel
Speaker 2: like she's trying to cram all these things in. She
Speaker 2: knows that's what the audience was initially loving her for,
Speaker 2: and now we're getting we're getting smashed with it, and
Speaker 2: I think it's too much and I don't think it's
Speaker 2: coming across as authentic.
Speaker 1: Reality TV for me has always been about being a
Speaker 1: fly on the wall and getting the real content out
Speaker 1: of people, like what do people really behave like at home?
Speaker 1: And that's why Beverly Hills has always been so fascinating,
Speaker 1: because it is the slightest peak into how people live
Speaker 1: who are extremely wealthy and living the life that people
Speaker 1: like myself and I'm assuming you as well, would love
Speaker 1: to lead, and so we can live through them vicariously.
Speaker 1: And then when we as an audience watching these people
Speaker 1: sort of watering down that experience and putting on a performance.
Speaker 1: And I am kind of tilting into something here because
Speaker 1: Jennifer Tilly as well did feel as though she's kind
Speaker 1: of being a bit performancy as well. And then maybe
Speaker 1: she's read the handle. She's like to survive the Twitter
Speaker 1: clash or now it's called X, to survive the wrath
Speaker 1: of what those people are going to say about you.
Speaker 1: Maybe you be funny and quirky and don't give it all,
Speaker 1: which is not what we're there for. It's not what's
Speaker 1: written on the box.
Speaker 2: I agree. I think they've brought her in to be
Speaker 2: that similar personality type to Kathy and provide that comedic
Speaker 2: relief that offsets some of the drama so that that
Speaker 2: online narrative is calming down and simmering down. But I mean,
Speaker 2: we did find out about her marriage to Sam Simon,
Speaker 2: who was a co creator from the Simpsons. She receives
Speaker 2: money from the Simpsons like every month. She said, oh,
Speaker 2: thank you, Sam Simon.
Speaker 4: My ex husband was Sam Simon who created the Simpsons.
Speaker 1: And then when we.
Speaker 4: Got to Forest, I got a piece of the Simpsons
Speaker 4: in the door settlement, and nobody knew that the Simpsons
Speaker 4: was going to go on for a trilliance of here.
Speaker 4: So every day, honestly every day, I'm like, thank you, Sam.
Speaker 2: So that was interesting because I was thinking I've only
Speaker 2: seen her in a couple of things way back in
Speaker 2: the day. She's obviously loaded, and you start going, how
Speaker 2: But then when she said that, and then she's walking
Speaker 2: around with her Louis Vuitton thirty three thousand dollar limited
Speaker 2: edition boat bag, and she's friends with Sutton, who also
Speaker 2: receives this three hundred grand monthly payment, it is making
Speaker 2: a lot more sense where she's getting that cash. She's rich,
Speaker 2: honey rich.
Speaker 1: And a little bloated. I don't know what was in
Speaker 1: that bag, but she's obviously into the snacks.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Oh, Benjamin Norris, that's way I find
Speaker 2: that she looks different to the others, like refreshing. That's
Speaker 2: I quite enjoy that, But it's more the performative side
Speaker 2: of her personality that's feeling a bit forced for me.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the interactions between Kyle at
Speaker 1: the moment and Maritzio, Because I thought it was really
Speaker 1: fascinating to watch him coming into his old home, seeing
Speaker 1: what Kyle has done. I think he was being very
Speaker 1: well mannered and very taking it all on the chin.
Speaker 1: Oh you've changed this, Oh that's great, this is fine.
Speaker 1: And then when they sat down on the couch, she
Speaker 1: became so weird. As far as I'm concerned. I was like,
Speaker 1: when you start quizzing him on things that he's doing
Speaker 1: at his bachelor pad, I don't really think that that's
Speaker 1: your domain. It's not really good territory anymore.
Speaker 5: I assumed when Merl got this place that he was
Speaker 5: going to have it staged because it was temporary, but
Speaker 5: he decided to buy the furniture, which of course is
Speaker 5: more prominent.
Speaker 1: So I thought, oh, well, this.
Speaker 5: Does not seem very temporary.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. It was so strange because it's sort
Speaker 2: of you know, she was obviously the one that called
Speaker 2: called it off. She said, that's it, we're having a separation.
Speaker 2: She wasn't happy about something we never found out truly
Speaker 2: what it was, which we spoke about last week. She's
Speaker 2: protected him and she is continuing too, because we've never
Speaker 2: found that out. But it's sort of at that point
Speaker 2: she went out, We're seeing photos, we're seeing video clips
Speaker 2: of her in Morgan Wade, We're seeing you know, all
Speaker 2: the tabloids sort of fodder about those two and now
Speaker 2: it's almost like he's moved on. He's fine, he's moved out,
Speaker 2: and now she's a little bit pissed that he's not
Speaker 2: begging to come back. He's like, I've got my condo,
Speaker 2: I've got my p K. I'm like traveling and spraying
Speaker 2: champagne with twenty year old girls. And she's like, can
Speaker 2: I still buy you some sheets? Why don't you need me?
Speaker 2: You know, I did feel for her a little bit
Speaker 2: when she had that confessional. She's like, I'm not really
Speaker 2: a wife now, and I'm not a mother. I don't
Speaker 2: really know what to do with my time. So it's
Speaker 2: not that I don't get it, but I just feel like,
Speaker 2: if you're going to end it, you have to be
Speaker 2: prepared to let them go. He's not going to beg
Speaker 2: to come back. I think they're done.
Speaker 1: And you can also tell that she doesn't even realize this,
Speaker 1: but she's rejecting him in lots of ways. I thought
Speaker 1: the conversation with him was she mimicked him at one point,
Speaker 1: which made me laugh out loud, but then it made
Speaker 1: me realize what she still thinks of him. You know,
Speaker 1: Like there was a bit where he's got his big
Speaker 1: choppers out, his big farlap teeth, and they're obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: new teeth. They're not the teeth that he used to
Speaker 1: have any kind.
Speaker 2: Of pa both have new teeth. They're very white teeth.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of big white teeth, and I have
Speaker 2: big white teeth, but they do not happen in years,
Speaker 2: and so I can say I'm looking at some big
Speaker 2: white teeth.
Speaker 5: So funny.
Speaker 1: She kind of goes oh and represented her teeth out
Speaker 1: mock him, and I was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is super duper awkward. I mean, I'm here for it
Speaker 1: because these are these are the moments that I was
Speaker 1: referring to earlier. These are those flying the wall things.
Speaker 1: Kyle Richards is very good at allowing us to have
Speaker 1: a little peek inside her life without completely giving the
Speaker 1: whole cowway, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that was a perfect example of
Speaker 2: the fact that she was getting frustrated, so she turned
Speaker 2: to that sort of mockery because she was like, well,
Speaker 2: do you want to take Romeo the dog to your house?
Speaker 2: He was like no, thanks. She was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: painted the bathroom. She was expecting him to obviously go,
Speaker 2: I don't like it. She was like, well, I don't care.
Speaker 2: It's my bathroom now, and he's like, looks great. And
Speaker 2: then she's talking about the condo. He's like, I bought
Speaker 2: my furniture. I'm having a good time. It's all good
Speaker 2: with me. And you could tell she was getting frustrated,
Speaker 2: but she sort of had no right to be, and
Speaker 2: I think that's where the mockery came out. I just
Speaker 2: feel like it's very much a case of you break
Speaker 2: up with someone, but you sort of want them to
Speaker 2: fight for you to get you back, and I just
Speaker 2: don't think he's doing that. He's like, I wish you well,
Speaker 2: in the words of Gwyneth Paltrow, love you, wish you well.
Speaker 2: I'll be over here with some twenty year olds and
Speaker 2: my Dancing with the Stars partner and living it up.
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
Speaker 1: That is What do you think about the dynamics of
Speaker 1: men and women? Do you think that in that era
Speaker 1: of their relationship, there's a lot of women throughout that
Speaker 1: time that mothered their boyfriend, like mothered their husbands and
Speaker 1: looked after them. And whilst they've been like you can
Speaker 1: sit over there and all the rest of it they
Speaker 1: still really enjoyed looking after and having some control in
Speaker 1: that and that domain. And I think that is what
Speaker 1: we're going to see with Deret, that is what we're
Speaker 1: going to see with Kyle, that sort of relinquishing of
Speaker 1: that mothering role of their husbands because they don't like
Speaker 1: them doing things for themselves and they're not ready to
Speaker 1: let that go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think more so Kyle. She's always
Speaker 2: you know, ever since we've seen her on our screen,
Speaker 2: so it's like, I'm a mum and a wife. I'm
Speaker 2: a mum and a wife. She's really hung her hat
Speaker 2: on that. She's loved being a mum to the four girls,
Speaker 2: and whenever she's been upset, that's you know, she's like, well,
Speaker 2: that's my biggest job in life is to be a
Speaker 2: mom and to be a wife. So I think she's
Speaker 2: struggling with that. I think to Eat and PK, it
Speaker 2: is that power dynamic shift that you spoke about last week,
Speaker 2: and we saw PK say I was the breadwinner and
Speaker 2: we had this global jet setting lifestyle and you would
Speaker 2: come along with me, and now you make me feel
Speaker 2: less than But you know, I read some commentary online
Speaker 2: and I thought that's such a good insight that basically
Speaker 2: the takeaway from that is, well, now you prioritize our children,
Speaker 2: you don't prioritize me, and you have your own sort
Speaker 2: of power and fame with this show. You don't need me.
Speaker 2: And so he's pissed about that. So I think the
Speaker 2: Deret and PK is a bit separate than the Kyle
Speaker 2: and Maurisio thing. I think she really loved him. He
Speaker 2: hurt her in some way. She thought, I have to
Speaker 2: take a stand, but I will want him to beg
Speaker 2: to get me back. And I think she's upset that
Speaker 2: hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he was going to beg for it.
Speaker 1: Where there's my fire. We heard so much for so
Speaker 1: many years, for basically the entire run of Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: or fourteen seasons. There's been rumors that he has been
Speaker 1: cheating on Kyle, like you know, yes, So he's always
Speaker 1: been like, I love you, look after the house, look
Speaker 1: after our children, but I'm also setting up this business
Speaker 1: and this empire and maybe having a little bit of
Speaker 1: a diddle along the way. So she got sick of Ittte.
Speaker 1: She said stop that. And then he goes okay, and
Speaker 1: then just adopts his new life, win his condo, and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh fuck, I'm sorry, that's not exactly what
Speaker 1: I wanted.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I think too. I think I think
Speaker 2: she was expecting him to say, I will change, You're
Speaker 2: worth it, I'll quit doing all these naughty things that
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have been doing. You're my number one, you know,
Speaker 2: And I just I can't see it happening. Meanwhile, she
Speaker 2: was out with Morgan Wade and everything in a hot minute,
Speaker 2: so I don't think she can be too upset. It's
Speaker 2: not like she was sitting there waiting around. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure something happened with those two, if not
Speaker 2: still happening. So it's all it's all very confusing.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a little bit of you think
Speaker 1: you could get away with doing that. Well, how do
Speaker 1: you feel like I think that she went and did
Speaker 1: this to be like, you know what, I've been sitting
Speaker 1: here on the sideline reading about your infidelity. Now you
Speaker 1: read about mine and see how it makes you feel,
Speaker 1: and then maybe you'll stop it and maybe we'll get
Speaker 1: back together.
Speaker 2: What was the line from Lisa Rina when it was
Speaker 2: a tag going Hi, I'm Carama, and yes I am
Speaker 2: a bitch. My god, it was so that so applies
Speaker 2: to this. Oh speaking of old housewives. Where it also
Speaker 2: got confusing was Kyle now bringing up Teddy Mellencamp in
Speaker 2: regards to another reason why she's pissed off at Deret.
Speaker 2: And you're Teddy's friend, you've always been friends. You wouldn't
Speaker 2: say anything because it's not the popular thing.
Speaker 5: To say, and you're too worried about what people are
Speaker 5: going to think.
Speaker 2: Kyle, is that not you? We didn't hear about this
Speaker 2: one last week. We heard about Bravocon showing the text message.
Speaker 2: We didn't hear about this Teddy Mellencamp thing and those
Speaker 2: comments being said at Bravo. Connan upset her now because
Speaker 2: Derete hasn't come into fend for Teddy, And now that's
Speaker 2: another reason why she's apparently upset. I just think last
Speaker 2: week you said she was reaching. This week is literally
Speaker 2: grasping a straws.
Speaker 1: I absolutely don't agree with you on this at all.
Speaker 1: I actually think that it is so fair. Teddy Mellencamp
Speaker 1: has literally faced a landslide of hatred for no real reason.
Speaker 1: I felt she brought some amazing content to this series.
Speaker 1: I think she was very real, and Teddy Mellencamp is
Speaker 1: an unexplainable magic eye puzzle. You know those magic eye
Speaker 1: puzzles that some people can look at and some people can't.
Speaker 2: Then yes, but it's not that I don't I don't
Speaker 2: not like Teddy, but I don't think in the context
Speaker 2: of this that that is why Kyle is pissed at
Speaker 2: diret I don't think. I don't think it is because,
Speaker 2: for example, Erica is also friends with Teddy. Erica was
Speaker 2: sitting on the couch when those comments got said, and
Speaker 2: dare I say Erica is probably closer to Teddy because
Speaker 2: she occasionally fills in on the podcast with her, and
Speaker 2: she didn't say anything either. But Kyle is not mad
Speaker 2: at both of them for not sticking up for Teddy.
Speaker 2: She's only saying she's annoyed at to read. And so
Speaker 2: it's not that I don't think that Teddy deserved defending.
Speaker 2: I think she was a great addition to the show.
Speaker 2: I never really understood the backlash either, so I get
Speaker 2: your points there, but I don't understand why it's coming
Speaker 2: into this list of reasons why Kyle is pissed at Duret.
Speaker 2: I think that is where she's just trying to find
Speaker 2: something else. She's throwing shit at a wall. She's hoping
Speaker 2: that something else sticks. But none of these reasons really
Speaker 2: the full reason. There's something else she's not saying.
Speaker 1: Would it be fair to say that what you're assuming
Speaker 1: is going to happen for season fourteen is that we're
Speaker 1: going to get a lot of really watered down excuses
Speaker 1: that are going to lead us to something substantial. Are
Speaker 1: we going to get to a substantial spot with Kyle
Speaker 1: with her feelings towards Daria. I don't know, because the
Speaker 1: one thing I will say is that I think that
Speaker 1: Kyle's behavior on this show, because she has been there
Speaker 1: for solong, has had people reacting to her with no
Speaker 1: relation to how she's actually behaving. It's in their minds
Speaker 1: the Kyle behaves this way. And I think Kyle's just
Speaker 1: been being herself and thinking this is how you do
Speaker 1: real housewives, you know, throw a few jibs here and
Speaker 1: throw a few jibs back, and then they made something
Speaker 1: and then there's a fight and that's how this game plays.
Speaker 1: Where Deret's like, no, that's not how it plays. And
Speaker 1: now I'm going to bring you now. I'm going to
Speaker 1: make you accountable for your bad behavior, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to go back six years and I'm going to get
Speaker 1: out my dorser of reasons as to why you have
Speaker 1: upset me. The audience are going to love it because
Speaker 1: we're going to get to watch blow by blows replays
Speaker 1: if everything that's happened bitpet a blow blow, whatever the frickin'
Speaker 1: hell it's called that you know has been savaged and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, actually yeah. And this kind of makes
Speaker 1: me want to ask you this last question, which is
Speaker 1: is Kyle checking out? Because I think she's a little complacent.
Speaker 1: I think that she has spoken with the producers and
Speaker 1: she has said, guys, I'm pretty sure this is my last.
Speaker 1: Do what you will with how you want to play
Speaker 1: it because I'm tired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon you could be onto something. I mean,
Speaker 2: she does say she teases us every year. She's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can come back. This was
Speaker 2: a really hard one for me. I feel like they
Speaker 2: would have said it is crucial for you to come
Speaker 2: back for this one because we needed some kind of
Speaker 2: closure to this Kyle and Mauricio thing. We needed to
Speaker 2: see where it was going to land. And obviously, then
Speaker 2: at the reunion when Dreach showed this text message, and
Speaker 2: we knew there was this underlying tension that was going
Speaker 2: to build. But at the time of filming that reunion,
Speaker 2: obviously Kyle wasn't aware of the fact that she'd showed
Speaker 2: that text message, so they knew they were going to
Speaker 2: come into this season with something already there a massive
Speaker 2: tension point. But if she is with Morgan, and Morgan
Speaker 2: now is saying I don't want my name mentioned, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be part of this show. You know,
Speaker 2: we've seen Kyle say I just want to live in Aspen.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is the slow exit to moving on to
Speaker 2: a simpler life. It very well could be. I think
Speaker 2: you could be onto the money.
Speaker 1: I would be sad to see her go. I really would.
Speaker 2: Oh I would too. I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 2: It's a tough one. I know. Erica Jane said, every
Speaker 2: franchise will just continue on. I mean, we've seen that happen,
Speaker 2: but not to the same level of success. And sometimes
Speaker 2: that's when the whole series ends up going on pause.
Speaker 2: Then they have to try and do a reboot. And
Speaker 2: we've seen that with RONI and it is not going well.
Speaker 2: That show is hanging on by you know, a string.
Speaker 2: So we've seen OC come back, that's been the opposite.
Speaker 2: That's been quite good.
Speaker 1: But if common that really took some time. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a good five years for OC where they
Speaker 1: were like really reaching. It really could have been canceled.
Speaker 1: It was that fucking shit.
Speaker 2: And so I don't even want to think about Beverly
Speaker 2: Hills finishing, Like, I just don't want to think about it.
Speaker 2: I'd be very out invested.
Speaker 1: We've been there for fourteen years. It's a long time
Speaker 1: to watch a television show and to invest in what
Speaker 1: I think real people. So I still even Erica Jane,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who comes on this show, all still seem
Speaker 1: like b side characters to an a personality, which is Kyle.
Speaker 1: I mean, even if they bought vander Pump back, with
Speaker 1: Kyle's exit, I don't even think vander Pump would be
Speaker 1: able to carry this show by herself.
Speaker 2: No, I think vander Pump was. She's just not relatable
Speaker 2: enough to be able to play it in that space
Speaker 2: where she can have all those friendships with all those
Speaker 2: different people, which Kyle authentically has and that is where
Speaker 2: she has always sat in that pocket so perfectly, because
Speaker 2: she really has had a lot of strong relationships along
Speaker 2: the way, and the ones that we've seen, you know,
Speaker 2: go through the ebbs and flows, and I mean Erica,
Speaker 2: Jane Drete, I mean, they've all been there a long
Speaker 2: time now, and I feel like we've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of rotation through these new housewives the last few years.
Speaker 2: They're lucky that Garcel and Sutton, I guess the fans
Speaker 2: like them straight away, but we saw Crystal three years
Speaker 2: no traction, Anna Marie out after a season, and Diana
Speaker 2: Jenkins out after a season. They're really trying to find
Speaker 2: people that will stick that they can continue to build
Speaker 2: this cast with. I don't think Jennifer Tilly's going to
Speaker 2: be it. Kathy's never going to sign on full time,
Speaker 2: so I think they'll be in a real pickle if
Speaker 2: Kyle leaves.
Speaker 1: Out of five? Will we be allowed to ask you
Speaker 1: for your Alana macleans? How many Alana macleans are you
Speaker 1: giving this episode? Considering we did still get the start
Speaker 1: of part one of that fight between Kyle and de Reed,
Speaker 1: which was looking like it was going to get pretty juicy. Well,
Speaker 1: that part.
Speaker 2: Of that foint was what clawed this episode back for me.
Speaker 2: I think, coming off two really strong episodes, particularly last week.
Speaker 2: I rated last week of four and a half this one.
Speaker 2: I would have given it a two and a half.
Speaker 2: I feel like that was only a fifty percent, but
Speaker 2: the fight at the end got it two or three.
Speaker 2: So just over the line for me, what about you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with two Benjamin Norris's I feel
Speaker 1: bad when I say my own name because I hate
Speaker 1: people love it themselves in third person, I would say
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay with two because I'm going to
Speaker 1: keep the two points on the Derete and Kyle interaction
Speaker 1: at the end, which is really where I was engaged.
Speaker 1: The rest of the episode to me was a little
Speaker 1: bit too B side tape and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like back in one of this is before your Era,
Speaker 1: But the Bodyguard soundtrack five songs on the cassette were
Speaker 1: all Whitney Houston, and then the next five songs that
Speaker 1: were on the other side of the cassette were all
Speaker 1: like Michelle Visage's Lovely Day and you Will Love I
Speaker 1: Do Love that the way.
Speaker 2: A good with us so good? I get what you
Speaker 2: mean and you sometimes get a little sneaky pee of
Speaker 2: the next week's episode. So, without giving too much away,
Speaker 2: are we in for a bit more of a ride
Speaker 2: next week?
Speaker 1: Obsessed? Oh my god, we're in for a huge ride.
Speaker 1: Put a stack hat on, put your knee pads on,
Speaker 1: and I tell you what. It is so good. It
Speaker 1: is so joozy. Probably one of the best scenes that
Speaker 1: we've seen this season so far.
Speaker 2: Well, I love that. What a no to end on.
Speaker 2: I'm pumped for next week, but I loved breaking down
Speaker 2: this week with you and love chatting to as always amazing.
Speaker 1: Go and buy that hat. I just want to see
Speaker 1: you in the hat.
Speaker 2: Okay, next week's episode, lorna Murray hat, come at me,
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Speaker 1: Cart I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Bye by bye bye bye bye