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Speaker 1: Now it's understood that the Northern Territory government is this

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Speaker 1: high levels of crime we're experiencing right across the territory. Now,

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Speaker 1: the government's expected to announce that the budget's going to

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Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty one million. The Police Minister, Brent

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Speaker 1: Potter joins me on the line. Good morning to your minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie Minister.

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Speaker 1: We are hearing that there is going to be a

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Speaker 1: massive increase to the police budget ninety million dollars. Is

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Speaker 2: That's correct, The rumors are correct and is a huge investment.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, over ninety million dollars to the baseline

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Speaker 2: police budget. That takes it to about five hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty one million dollars for police standlan, What does that mean.

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Speaker 1: For the Northern Territory Police based off the discussions that

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Speaker 1: the huge increases that we've seen in the volume of crime.

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Speaker 2: Well, it means we can stop saying the words do

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Speaker 2: more with less, means police are going to have all

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Speaker 2: the money that they need to go and deal with

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Speaker 2: as we see spikes in community or spikes in town.

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Speaker 2: Target recruitment overseas, purchasing new capabiliing technology so that we

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Speaker 2: We need to have smart technology and that's what it does.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is still separate to that five hundred

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Speaker 2: two hundred extra officers that we've committed to, the Territory

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Speaker 2: Safety Division, the twenty five extra call takers, and the

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Speaker 2: infrastructure plan as per the Police Review. So it's a

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Speaker 2: huge investment this budget for police, and that ninety million

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Speaker 1: Does it sort of go against the lines that you

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Speaker 2: No, I think it goes to exactly to that point

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Speaker 2: We need more police to get out there to create

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Speaker 2: You need police to bring law and order back. And

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Speaker 2: then it's about the other government agencies, the other organizations,

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Speaker 2: But first and foremost, you need police on the ground

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Speaker 1: All right. So from a real practical sense, from a

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Speaker 2: So they're going to see more police on the road,

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Speaker 2: that's outcome the commissioners seeking as well. And we see

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Speaker 2: So you'll start to see more visible high visibility policing,

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Speaker 1: Why did Territorians have to get to the point though,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's two things to understand. We've gone

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Speaker 2: and everyone is trying to recruit more police officers. We

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Speaker 1: Minister. What's it going to mean though, in terms of

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Speaker 2: Well, I can absolutely tell you that our budget is

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move along. The Northern Territory government is

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Speaker 1: also this week set to announce an additional twenty million

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Speaker 1: offering a nationally recognized, trusted option for territorians looking to

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Speaker 2: As fast as it can be, Katie, and I was

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Speaker 2: And we're looking for a late commendments in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: So what exactly is the process to make this happen now?

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Speaker 1: All right, we are going to catch up with Ole Expruce,

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Speaker 1: THECA of Hospitality on this topic in a few minutes time. Now, Minister,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the com police commissioners out there Friday too

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Speaker 2: The behavior is concerning They're not just a ragtag group

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Speaker 1: So from your perspective, this isn't warring families. This is

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Speaker 2: Oh listen, I think there's long standing issues out in

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the things that listeners ask

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Speaker 2: There is a difference between outloor motorcycle gangs and this

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Speaker 1: I mean, just on that budget announcement. Though, this is

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Speaker 2: It's a separate infrastructure increase of twenty five million dollars

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Speaker 1: So there's an a there's an additional patrol that's started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the common sense plan. Because I

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Speaker 2: know we're getting sixty eight graduates in June. I can't

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Speaker 2: speed that up. We've got a gap between now and then,

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Speaker 2: so we'll do everything we can to keep business owning

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Speaker 2: see CON come in and co fund that because if

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Speaker 2: there's additional funding from Council we can do more.

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Speaker 1: How much is it costing for that extra patrol.

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Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with the specific month by month, but

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Speaker 2: it's not part of our standing panel contract, so it'll

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Speaker 2: be cost effective for government. But what I would say

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Speaker 2: is that CON's released a budget and he's trying to

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Speaker 2: penny pinch five hundred thousand dollars. Surely for the benefit

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Speaker 2: of the territory and the economy. By making people feel

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Speaker 2: safe and spending more money, we can do a lot more.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, this budget is going to announce over

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Speaker 2: five point four million dollars from the territory labor government

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Speaker 2: to doing security private security patrols across Dwen as well,

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Speaker 2: so you know that additional increase of security in the

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Speaker 2: city will fall out of our five point four million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do get his argument though, that he's saying, well,

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Speaker 1: why should the council, why should like, why should territory

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Speaker 1: rate payers, you know, be sort of having to double

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Speaker 1: the sense that we're we're funding through our taxes to

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Speaker 1: budget increase that you're talking about this morning, but we're

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Speaker 1: also paying through our rates then to fund security when

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Speaker 1: it is the government's job to keep territory and safe.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone, every city retailer would say how good

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Speaker 2: it continue. And the initial agreement when they started way

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Speaker 2: with council. They're the ones walking away from it. I've

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Speaker 2: that council enforces their bylaws enough. If by laws were

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Speaker 2: which I'm telling you will happen very surely when we

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Speaker 2: in that next round of graduation, Well, we probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Some people are going to be listening to that this

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Speaker 1: morning and going, well, hang on a seck. We're meant

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Speaker 1: to have a two kilometer law as well in place

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Speaker 1: for people public drinking, and they'll be kind of going,

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Speaker 1: if you know, and I'm not criticizing the police, but

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Speaker 1: they'll be saying, well, if the police were going and

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Speaker 1: picking people up when they're publicly drinking, you wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about this either.

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Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't have to be police. We have Larakia

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Speaker 2: Nation patrols that take them to the sobering up shelter,

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Speaker 2: which is important. What I would say, is there anyone

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Speaker 2: that listening we have greater than two kilometer all you

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Speaker 2: cannot have an open container in the Darwin area. You

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Speaker 2: cannot have an open container in Parmestan, or in Catherine

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Speaker 1: So your perspective, why do you reckon that keeps happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we've got substance addiction right across the

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Speaker 2: least to domestic family violence. If you want to talk

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Speaker 2: about the long term solution, it's dealing with domestic violence.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to take another minister stand up

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Speaker 2: that there is there is definitely a focus from us

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Speaker 2: in this budget on that. We brought into seven day

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Speaker 2: band drinker orders and we're seeing over two hundred and

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Speaker 2: and that is the first identification and mechanism to stop

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Speaker 2: people getting al cohol in public places, but also referring

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Speaker 2: them to a service provider to help them. And if

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Speaker 2: they continue and get caught within the seven days, well

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Speaker 2: they're back on again. And if they get caught a

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Speaker 2: third time, they're on for three months. So you know,

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Speaker 2: we aren't taking every measure we can, but it's got

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Speaker 2: to be sensible because if you push one part of

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Speaker 2: the balloon, it goes somewhere else, and we need to

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Speaker 2: know that when we make a policy, what the outcomes

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Speaker 2: are going to be. And I'm fairly confident that we've

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Speaker 2: got it right now. With the additional baseline budget increase

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Speaker 2: for police, the seven day band drink or Order, the

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Speaker 2: roll out of the OC spray, the establishment of the

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Speaker 2: Territory Safety Division in Daar and Nawa Springs, and over

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Speaker 2: twenty five extra call takers, Darwin is going to. The

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Speaker 2: territory is going to be a very different place come

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Speaker 2: the graduation in June and then into July with more

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Speaker 2: ofsters on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I hope so, I truly do, because we've

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Speaker 1: really experienced a terrible time for quite a while. So

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Speaker 1: I really really hope. So in us to for police,

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter, I know that you are under the pump

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Speaker 1: this morning. Appreciate your time. Thanks for chatting with us.

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Speaker 2: That's that's right time for you and your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks so much,