1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and joining 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning for the CLP Jared Mayley, 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: good morning. 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners. 5 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola from nine years Darwin, Good morning to. 6 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 3: You, Mornie. We've got Kesier Puick, Good morning. 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Kezier, morning Bush people, and for labor we've got Kate Warden. 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 4: Good morning, Kate, Good morning Katy, and good morning to 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 4: all our Sandersen business. 10 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Well look, we're not too far out now from the 11 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Northern Territory election, a bit over a week away, and 12 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: I will take you all through the numbers because we 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: know that poling it did indeed open in the Northern 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: Territory on Monday, and thousands have already turned out to vote. Now, 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: just taking you through those numbers from yesterday, it was 16 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: down a little bit on the day before, six thousand, 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty three people heading. 18 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: Out to vote. 19 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: We've had sort of consistently around seven thousand every day, 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: so in total, that includes the postal votes that have 21 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: been issued though as well. Thirty four thousand, four hundred 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: and sixty two eight hundred of those postal votes. 23 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: So still pretty strong numbers. 24 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: You'd have to say, I think one week out from 25 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory election, or one week and one day 26 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: from the Northern Territory election. 27 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: What do you reckon? It mains skeezier. 28 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 5: You know, Territory's we vote early and often that's my family. 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 5: I think, well, the territory we're known for voting early. 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 5: And when this pre polling started, originally used to have 31 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 5: to have a reason for prepole But now I think 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 5: the Electric Commission, in their wisdom, has just wants people 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 5: to vote, and they are voting. And I think it's 34 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 5: a sign of our times. You know, you can no 35 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 5: longer have your announcements major parties in the last week, 36 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 5: if not in the last two weeks of election cycle, 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 5: because half the population will have voted. So it's all, 38 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 5: you know, sort of academic. So and I expect that 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 5: there will be similar numbers for next week. So I 40 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 5: think last election over half had voted, over half had 41 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 5: voted before actual election day. 42 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: I reckon we might end up higher than that this year. 43 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: An increase there we mave on the electoral roll. 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, about one hundred and fifty three thousand, if 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: my memory serves me correctly. 46 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 3: But I know that last. 47 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: Election obviously twenty twenty, it was still sort of you know, 48 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: COVID was still an issue, so whether that had an 49 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: impact for people when they're hitting out to vote twenty sixteen, 50 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: if I recall, you had to have a reason to 51 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: be able to go and vote early. So this is 52 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: probably the first time that you've really had the opportunity 53 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: to go and vote early, just. 54 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: Once, and you know, and not have to do it. 55 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: Because you kind of, you know, because you've got to 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: be soccer on Saturday or whatever else. 57 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 6: I just want to remind everyone to go and vote. 58 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 6: It's really important that everyone can't see one vote Keasier 59 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 6: and go there because this is an opportunity to have 60 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 6: your say. 61 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 7: No, vote no whin Yeah. 62 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 6: If you think that your life is better, vote Labor. 63 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 6: If you think your life is worth you, vote CLP. 64 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 6: You need to change the government, and this is your 65 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 6: opportunity to do it. It's really up to everyone and 66 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 6: it's up to you who you vote for, but make 67 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 6: sure you vote, get out there and do it because 68 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 6: it's important to have your say, and there's a real 69 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 6: opportunity to send a message to either party. 70 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 7: There's a lot of candidates out there canvassing at the moment. 71 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 4: I've been on the pole polling booth at some time 72 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 4: every single day this week, and I've actually chatted to 73 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 4: lots of people and they're quite excited about the fact 74 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: that voting can now be convenient for them, and I 75 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 4: think that that's the whole point. I'm not so small 76 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: you sure about two weeks of early voting. That's a 77 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: long time, but certainly that does match up with what's 78 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 4: going on in the bush. So we forget that there's 79 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 4: polling going on across the whole of the Northern Churchy 80 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: at the moment, and it's always happened that way, so 81 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: there's always been that polling in the remote areas, so 82 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: we're sort of aligning that in urban areas now. 83 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 7: But people are taking that opportunity. 84 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: So everybody I've spoken to have said, actually, I'm going 85 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 4: to Bunnings, so I'm going to just do it on 86 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: my way past. 87 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 7: Or you know, it's convenient. 88 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: I'm dropping the kids to school and I'm going to 89 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 4: go and vote on my way to work because it's 90 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: open at eight and just a remind it to people tomorrow. 91 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 7: That it does close at three. 92 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 4: So every day it's been eight to five during the week, 93 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: but it's only until three o'clock tomorrow, which is not 94 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: for some of us, so we don't have to be 95 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 4: on the polar and through a lot. 96 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: Of the families you know that have got their kids 97 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: at sport at Marra and that kind of thing could 98 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: be busy there. Yeah, and I did not. At Eton 99 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: as well. Earlier in the week there was signs absolutely 100 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: everywhere I'd driven through a couple of times, there was trailers, 101 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: there was signs like you name it. 102 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: It looked like there was some kind of party on there. 103 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: At Eton. They've now been removed. 104 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 7: So that was a bit of a flurry yesterday the airport. 105 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: So this has got nothing to do with the Electoral 106 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 4: Commission or the boundaries. The airport guys agreed yesterday they 107 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: want they don't want any signage at all. It's a 108 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 4: bit disappointing because I think, you know a lot of people. 109 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 4: We're being very cautious with the rules, making sure that 110 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: we didn't have them right next to the road and 111 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 4: stuff like that, and I think some people now drive 112 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 4: past not knowing as a voting center. 113 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 7: There, whereas you couldn't miss it yesterday absolutely could They 114 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 7: all came down at lunchtime yesterday. 115 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: They were very Obviously the airport have the right to decide, 116 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: but it would have I guess it would have been 117 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: better if they have said that at the beginning of 118 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: the week, not halfway through. So but anyway, that's the 119 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 4: game we're in and that's how it all played out yesterday. 120 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 4: It was interesting. 121 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 8: I'm a big supporter of early voting, I mean, especially 122 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 8: if it gets more people at the polls, lodging the 123 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 8: democratic right. But man, it means the extinction of the 124 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 8: democracy sausage. 125 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: Oh, it certainly does. 126 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 7: But it also is one I haven't seen. 127 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 5: Because there's few polling booths being held at schools. Now, 128 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 5: schools will get paid for this service, and which is good, 129 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 5: helps with their funding and raising. But bees Creek has always, 130 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 5: in my time, in my mother's time, so we're talking 131 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 5: twenty thirty plus years, has always had a polling booth, 132 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 5: but this year it doesn't. Yah, I've elected to go 133 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 5: to the shopping centers, which then makes it difficult for 134 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 5: any kind of last minute promotion of yourself or your party. 135 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 5: Because at col Linga Central the exclusion zone is to 136 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 5: the highway. 137 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: Well, and it's something that was raised as well earlier 138 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: in the week Evil All I had actually seen out 139 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: in Palmerston that there's been a reduction. I don't think 140 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: there's anything in the dry style elector in terms of 141 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: somewhere to so from. 142 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 7: I've certainly have lost in all. 143 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: The primary school is a voting booth and the observation 144 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 4: for me yesterday was people were quite surprised how many 145 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 4: people had voted, for example at Casarina. 146 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 7: Square, because people hadn't actually seen them go past. 147 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 4: They were quite surprised by the numbers because people can 148 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: come through the back way and sort of come through 149 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 4: the front. But what that tells me is that and 150 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: you can see it even at Eton, where you've got 151 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 4: an opportunity to engage if you sort of go. 152 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 7: To one side, people have made their minds up and 153 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 7: they're just going in. 154 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: And they just go in and do what they want 155 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: to do. 156 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 7: And a lot of. 157 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 4: People are refusing, you know, they're not taking any how 158 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 4: to vote from people. 159 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 7: So and you see that every election anyway. 160 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: So let's you know, the opportunities there at Eaten, but 161 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 4: not necessarily at any of the others. 162 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: And look, it has changed. 163 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: I think the way in which the political campaigns are 164 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: running in the sense that in the final two weeks, 165 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: ordinarily we'd see some real jostling from both sides in 166 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: terms of trying to get you know, your promises up 167 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: and trying to get them. 168 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: Heard by territorians. 169 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 1: Now that is still happening to some degree, but whether 170 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: it has as big an impact as what it has 171 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: in previous years remains to be seen. Now I am 172 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: going to go through some of the election commitments that 173 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: have been made and I'll. 174 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: Get to those more broadly shortly. 175 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: But one of the ones that was announced yesterday by 176 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: the Country Liberal Party was bail reforms, which will be 177 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: known as Declan's Law. The opposition leader made the announcement 178 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: saying that it will help prevent another senseless death like 179 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: that of decland Lavity. Samara Laviti, the mother of murder 180 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: bottle shop worker Decland, said that she believed that her 181 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: son could still be alive had there been earlier interventions in. 182 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 3: The life of his killer. 183 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Now, the Colp's changes, or the amendments to the Bail 184 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: Act of nineteen eighty two, would include presumption against bail 185 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: for all serious violent offenses, presumption against mail for serious 186 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: violent offenses, when the use or threatened juice of all weapons, 187 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: including offensive weapons is involved. Presumption against bail for repeat 188 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: offenders defined as those that have been found guilty of 189 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: two or more offenses within the previous two years and 190 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: those that are alleged to have committed another crime while 191 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: on bail. They'd also reinstate breach of bail conditions as 192 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: an offense for youths and introduce mandatory electronic monitoring if 193 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: a repeat offender is granted bail or reoffense while on bail. 194 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: Now, I know. 195 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of commentary around this, and you 196 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: know there are some coming out saying this morning that 197 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: that realistically it's not going to it's not going to 198 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: make a huge difference. I mean, Jared, why did the 199 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: CLP decide to go down this path? 200 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 6: Look, Katie, and this is I think Territorians are looking 201 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 6: for a government going to take on crime, and we 202 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 6: know the Labor government have had no action in relation 203 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 6: to it. They had a bail review after Laberty incident 204 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 6: and their recommendations were no changes. 205 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: At all to the bail a. 206 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 6: What the CLP want to do is we want to 207 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 6: stop the revolving door of bail We want to make 208 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 6: sure that if you out there and you commit an offense, 209 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 6: you start with no bail and ultimately to teach these 210 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 6: people and young offenders and offenders, there is going to 211 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 6: be a consequence and people out there and territories have 212 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 6: had enough of crime day one action and ultimately you 213 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 6: need to be safe in your own home. And these 214 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 6: people are going out on bail, reoffending it and doing 215 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 6: it again and again and again. That revolving door that 216 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 6: needs to stop. And that's what the CLP want to do. 217 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 6: We want to make sure that if you're on bail 218 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 6: and you go and commit an offense, especially in a 219 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 6: serians violence offense, you need to have a starting point 220 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 6: of no bail. 221 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: Look, and I can understand why this announcement's been made, 222 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: but to play Devil's advocate here, do you think that 223 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: it's really going to make a difference or are we 224 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: going to see more people end up in jail who 225 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, who maybe shouldn't be. 226 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 6: No, this is going to make a real difference because 227 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 6: of what it's going to do, Katie is going to 228 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 6: make the territory a safer place. 229 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: And what we want is. 230 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 6: You to be able to go about your daily business, 231 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 6: go shopping, or let your kids go to the school 232 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 6: or to the shop, or just go out. 233 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: In general business and feel safe. What we want to do. 234 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 6: If you go out there and you commit a crime, 235 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 6: you need to have some consequences. And this Labor government 236 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 6: have failed territories for the last eight years in relation 237 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 6: to that, and that's why we're at this stage now 238 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 6: where crime's out of control, people don't feel safe, people 239 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 6: are leaving Northern Territory. Unlike Labor, the Seal Pe've got 240 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 6: a plan and we're going to take crime head on. 241 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 6: We're going to make sure they are consequentius because where 242 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 6: you want to keep territory and safe. 243 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: I'll get to some of the announcements made by Labor 244 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: very shortly, but Kat, you've been obviously covering this over 245 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. 246 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, Hannah Taylor did the story yesterday and 247 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 8: she spoke to the Criminal Lawyers Association and the main 248 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 8: change that Beth Wilde identified with this would be around first, 249 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 8: defenders are more likely to get locked up more often 250 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 8: than not, and that will be the most the biggest 251 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 8: impact effectively, and because I mean, at the end of 252 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 8: the day, while these laws are in place, it's still 253 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 8: the courts are going to make the decision, and so 254 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 8: the presumption might be against, but still the defense can 255 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 8: argue to change that and they could still be let 256 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 8: out on bail. So it's not going to be just 257 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 8: wiping out bail for all those people. 258 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 6: What we want to do is we want to make 259 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 6: sure the court has got the biggest tool box possible 260 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 6: to deal with these offenders. These are criminals out there 261 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 6: making the territory unsafe. 262 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 4: So I think it's a bit misleading what the CLP 263 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: is doing. And you do know that it's a bit 264 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: misleading because the one thing I'll point out is that 265 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: an offense has already been committed for bail to actually 266 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 4: kick in. So the one thing we have not heard 267 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: in this entire campaign from the CLP, how are they 268 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 4: going to stop the offense in the first place before 269 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 4: bail is even considered. And I think the point was 270 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 4: is that Kat said that courts make those decisions, and 271 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 4: she's right, but also police make those decisions. So while 272 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: police on the front line are making decisions around bail, 273 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: and in a number of high profile cases over the 274 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,239 Speaker 4: last couple of years, the police have made those decisions 275 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 4: around bail. 276 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: In the first police are the ones that have determined 277 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: in some instance. 278 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 8: They have there's a chance they might also not allow 279 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 8: bail as much because they know that the present is 280 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 8: already except what we might to allown, but more bail. 281 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 4: What we might also see is if you've got a 282 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 4: young lad that goes out and look, I know lots 283 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 4: of people over my lifetime, and gets involved in a 284 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 4: brawl in Mitchell Street as a first time offender, they 285 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: could be refused bail under what they're proposing, and they 286 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 4: know that they're also carrying on about serious offenders, offenses 287 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 4: and people getting bail. Our courts deal with them, and 288 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 4: our police deal with them already under that under our legislation. 289 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: The legislation is I get what you're saying, and goodness, 290 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: as I've you know, I grew up with footballers, so 291 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: I've certainly grown up with young fellows. They got themselves 292 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: in trouble for getting in brawls. But the big difference 293 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: here was in this case, in this particular case involving 294 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: deck La Lavity, is that we weren't talking about a 295 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: brawl in the first instance. We're talking about a serious 296 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: violent offense. 297 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 4: We were, and we were talking about someone that was 298 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 4: on Berlin had been on bail for a very long time. 299 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: So let's remember and remind ourself what Baio's about. 300 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 8: But I suppose could you go back to the earlier 301 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 8: points that he's been released on bail, perhaps he might 302 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 8: not have been released. 303 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 4: That's the whole point that you're making. 304 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 7: They would be locked up. That is actually not necessarily 305 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 7: the case. But defense lawyer to argue, I think we 306 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 7: need to point. 307 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 4: Out to people that our jails are full to overflowing, 308 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: and yes, we need to work in corrections and we 309 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 4: need to make sure that those people get access to programs. 310 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 4: Our jails are full to overflowing because people are being put. 311 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 3: In jail for those Just let me just ask. 312 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: So in the situation that we're speaking about with the 313 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: deckl and Lavity case, for example, you know we are 314 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: talking about there being a prior, a prior serious offense. 315 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: Now there's also there is a case that's in the 316 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: paper today where there is a man that's that has 317 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: raped a woman in broad daylight in our CBD. 318 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: Who was also on bail. 319 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: You know, these are the kinds of incidents that people 320 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: are really very concerned. 321 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: About but we have the information about that situation, Katie 322 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 4: that's missing, So he may have been on bail that. 323 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 7: We're not laughable. 324 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 4: But also that person may have been bailed for a 325 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: very minor offense that is not. 326 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: In a case like that's right in the case that 327 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about, and and with Declan's law, it's not 328 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: a minor offense. 329 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: That's that's the whole point. 330 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: That's where people are really upset and feeling like they're 331 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: being let down. So that's why while I can understand, 332 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: I can certainly understand the point that you're. 333 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 7: Jerreed is a politician. We are politicians. 334 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: We are to the community. 335 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 7: Here making those decisions about bail. We have given, we 336 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 7: have made. 337 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: The eyes, we have made the laws well. 338 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: In your positions correct. To create legis legislation that is 339 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: up to the standard that community feels like it. 340 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 7: And where there is a serious offense. And Cat made 341 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 7: this very very point, where there's a serious. 342 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: Event offense currently there is a presumption against bail. 343 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 7: What happens is the court because graduation, But in so 344 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 7: many other. 345 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: Situations does it work in and in Kats saying you 346 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: know you have a defense, who then goes in and 347 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 4: argues against that presentation against. 348 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 7: Bail and just to play that's the legal system. 349 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 8: It's like, yes, it's the legal system, but it's not 350 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 8: like this case involving Declan was the only one that 351 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 8: a serious offender was let out on bail and then 352 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 8: when I did something, there's others, Yeah, there is others. 353 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: It's all about it. 354 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 6: But they had a bail review and the government didn't 355 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 6: take any action at all. 356 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 7: We think there's a community community. 357 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 6: Expectation out there that the community should be getting. And remember, 358 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 6: the government make. 359 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: The laws and the courts interpret the laws. 360 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 6: So what we want to do is make sure that 361 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 6: the courts have got the toolbox there to be able 362 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 6: to protect territorians. And we're starting a position of no bail, 363 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 6: and you might be able to argue that you do 364 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 6: get bail and I've done it myself lots of time. 365 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: Then it is difficulty, so you're admitting that. 366 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 6: But ultimately you want to make sure that territorians are 367 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,479 Speaker 6: safe right across. 368 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: The You're going to talk to the victims of the 369 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: think that they. 370 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: Could potentially be unintended consequent is as a result of 371 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: changing the legislation. 372 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 6: The consequence is going to be that the territory is 373 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 6: going to be a safer place the territory. These Labor 374 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 6: government have failed over the last eight years and the 375 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 6: crime has gone through the roof. People don't feel safe 376 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 6: and it is really squarely at labor government feet because 377 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 6: they have failed to change with the sealp of lead 378 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 6: from opposition, put bail mements into the to the parliament. 379 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: And this Labor government. 380 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 7: Comes after a crime has been committed to er. 381 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 6: Range of root causes that Sealey want to fix. We 382 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 6: want to separate Chartory family, will want to deal with PRIs. 383 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 6: We've got plans in place and the Labor government and 384 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 6: we've got a plan look safe. 385 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean. The thing is at the moment that I 386 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: guess the issue that both of you have got is 387 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: that the community's expectations are that you know and we'll 388 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: see I guess come next Saturday. You know, I can 389 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: talk all I want, but we will see next Saturday. 390 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: My vote means as much as anybody else is in 391 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: this room or anybody else out there listening this morning. 392 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: But certainly what we have seen throughout the last couple 393 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: of years is thousands converge on the steps of Parliament 394 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: House to rally on this very topic. You know, thousands 395 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: of people sign a petition on this very topic, and 396 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: people feeling a huge sense of frustration. 397 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: Now they're feeling that huge sense of. 398 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: Frustration because they feel as though the legislation and the 399 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: system is not working for them, rightly or wrongly. That 400 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: is the way that they feel. So I don't know 401 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: whether this. 402 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: Is the answer. 403 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's going to have the intended consequence. 404 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, we need to just 405 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: be patient and stick to patients. 406 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 7: Katie, You've got to do everything at the same time. 407 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 4: So I've got an incident and I know you might 408 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 4: want to talk about it in an uller. It's my 409 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: patch about something that's going very wrong. But it's not 410 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 4: just as simple as you know, a mass brawl and everything. 411 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 7: There's so many factors that are going on in that space. 412 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 4: It's around public housing. I've got a kid there in 413 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 4: that place. It's not attending school. We need to get 414 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 4: on top of these things, and we are through a 415 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 4: whole whole multitude of service approach is coming together, and 416 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: a police approach and a court approach. 417 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 7: That's what community safety is about. 418 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 4: We can't just keep saying slogans and we're going to 419 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 4: do this and change the legislation. It's misleading for people 420 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 4: because we are talking about things that have been coming 421 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 4: for a generation. So what we are approach, how do 422 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: you have a duty of care? We keep to keep 423 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 4: victims safe? Correct, But once a bail only comes into 424 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 4: play once a crime has occurred. What we're not hearing 425 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 4: from the colp is how are you going to prevent 426 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 4: the crime occurring in the first place? 427 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 3: How have you prevented the crime from occurring in the field. 428 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 4: Working intensively to get things so people can live in 429 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 4: remote and look, I. 430 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: Get that, I get that, to use the Chief Finister's words, 431 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: hard grinding, grindings. But the point that I'm making is 432 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: that people are feeling really. 433 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: Frustrated by that. 434 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: Get that, and when then you've got situations that are 435 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: spilling out onto the street, where you have situations where 436 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: people are losing their lives. That's where they're asking whether 437 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: things need to change in terms of that legislation or 438 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: in terms of the policies or the procedures and the 439 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: ways in things. 440 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 8: Can I just think somebody went back at twenty sixteen 441 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 8: when labor did come into power. You know, there was 442 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 8: a lot of good will towards what Michael Gunner was 443 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 8: saying in terms of generational change and trying something different. 444 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 7: But given the. 445 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 8: Past few years and the many years that you and 446 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 8: I have been reporting on crime from twenty seventeen, when 447 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 8: he was telling us that there wasn't an increase in crime, 448 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 8: that's what people are so frustrated with. They understand that 449 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 8: there needs to be generational complex issues to be changed 450 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 8: and fixed. It take time, but in the meantime they 451 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 8: don't want to feel unsafe in their own home and. 452 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: We're increasing police. 453 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 8: That's only been a recent budget announcement of five hundred 454 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 8: and seventy million dollars in this budget. 455 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 3: I get that. Wasn't it done because we didn't because 456 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 3: we did that. 457 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 4: The difference, say, when I was Police Minister, I kicked 458 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: off that review and I got that working going, so 459 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 4: we actually know where that money has to go and 460 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 4: that the numbers were right and it's. 461 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 7: A piece of work, but that is to be done. 462 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 7: I hear your cat. I hear you again. 463 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 8: People's frustrations even lawla were at that cabinet table. 464 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 7: I wasn't at that cabinet table in twenty sixteen. 465 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 8: Apologies twenty twenty, that's still four years ago. 466 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 7: Absolutely, we've been working on it very hard. 467 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 8: Well, it wasn't that five hundred and seventy million dollars 468 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 8: investment made four years ago that made among the pieces 469 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 8: in lead numbers. 470 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 4: Then the wandering legislation cat nobody's talking about that now because. 471 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 3: Sense like it's making issue. 472 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: I want to make it easier for the police. 473 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 7: Were going to have. 474 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: To take a very quick break because there has been 475 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: a lot of promises made over the last few days, 476 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: despite the fact that a lot of people are already 477 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: turning out early to vote. 478 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: Let's have a quick break. 479 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: When we come back, we are going to be speaking 480 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: about some of those election promises. You are listening to 481 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: the week that was in the studio with us this morning. 482 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: We've got Kate Warden, Keesy a pure At, Kathleen Gizola, 483 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: and Jared Maylee. Now, there's been a lot of election 484 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: commitments made throughout this week, all over the last couple 485 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: of weeks. I think it's safe to say, but one 486 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: of the ones that came through yesterday was territory labor 487 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: pledging to expand the powers of public housing patrollers if elected, 488 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: allowing them to arrest and handcuff, use pepper spray, and 489 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: ban visitors. The new powers would target disruptive visitors and 490 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: would be designed to protect tenants and their neighbors from 491 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: anti social behavior and harm. Now, I guess the only 492 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: worry or the thing that sort of struck me straight 493 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: away is I thought, are they going to land themselves 494 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: in trouble potentially to police. 495 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 5: If they've got the powers of arrest, they're pretty much 496 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 5: effectively de facto police officers. 497 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: OL add some commentary because before my life in politics, 498 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 4: I had a life. I was part of setting up 499 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: the Public Housing Safety Officers program with Colin Gwinn. 500 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 7: Actually we did that work. 501 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 4: Together, quite controversial for this morning, but we did a 502 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 4: lot of work to give them the powers around alcohol 503 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: and getting rid of you being able to tbout alcohol 504 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 4: and confiscate alcohol. In the early days, they do some 505 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 4: amazing work, and it's got to a point I think 506 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 4: they do need extra numbers, So I think we've got 507 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 4: a commitment in there extra numbers as well. 508 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 7: But their training, this is the key I want to 509 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 7: make is their training is actually delivered by police. 510 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 4: They do a lot of combat training as well before 511 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: they hit the ground. So there's a lot of training 512 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: that goes in to them over a number of weeks 513 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 4: and months that gets them to a point that they 514 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 4: can do this. 515 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 7: So it wouldn't be we're not just saying to them here, 516 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 7: here you go, here's a pair of handcuffs, go for 517 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 7: your life. 518 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: It will come with the additional training and that will 519 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 4: be and I'm making a presumption here because of my 520 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 4: prior knowledge. 521 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 7: That that will be delivered by police. 522 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: We've always worked hand in hand with police, and I 523 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 4: know that police have always very grateful for other boots 524 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: on the ground and where you see a coordinated effort 525 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 4: because they have powers in public housing, they are difficult 526 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: sometimes for police to enact that they can do that work. 527 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 7: I fully support. I think it's a great initiative. 528 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: I've got to say Nathan Finn from the Police Association 529 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: yesterday didn't He didn't seem overy happy with it, you know, 530 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: Like I said that he was concerned that it could 531 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: also wind them up in a situation where that could 532 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: be dangerous for them, and that the reality is if 533 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: it's a dangerous situation, that it is the police who 534 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: probably need to attend. 535 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 6: This is another class example, how the labor government have 536 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 6: failed territories. We've got to such a such an extent 537 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 6: here of our public safety and anti social behavior is 538 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 6: that bad that we have to have these de facto 539 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 6: police officers here? 540 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: And it just shows that over. 541 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 6: The last nineteen years, our last twenty three or eight years, directly, 542 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 6: how the lifestyle on the northern churches. 543 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 2: Are roaded down, down, down down. 544 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 6: To it where we're getting these people who think they 545 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 6: can do anything that want some questions in estimates about 546 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 6: anyone being moved on or a victim, and they said, 547 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 6: no one's ever been evicted for their anti social behavior or. 548 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 7: That's absolutely correct, that's the question. 549 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: That's the question. You can talk all you want, because 550 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: that's what labor do they talk. 551 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: So I asked that question, was there legitimately nobody of. 552 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 6: Victors one being evicted? And you know, you can go 553 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 6: back and check your because I asked, I actually have. 554 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 4: Two houses in my own electric people have been a 555 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 4: social behavior, just quite weakly. 556 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: Look, this is probably the biggest question that we've got 557 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: asked throughout the week, is you know, is why we're 558 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: in a situation where we're needing these officers when realistically, 559 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: if they were being managed more stringently, some of those 560 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: public housing homes that it maybe wouldn't wouldn't blow up 561 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: in the way. 562 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: That it is. 563 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 4: Can I tell you, in every single incident, it's never 564 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 4: the tenant I've come across. It's always the visitors and 565 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 4: visit and management for people. You know, we've just seen 566 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 4: the Darwin Show and we have this huge influx, and 567 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: I know that there's patches around Daren where we've got 568 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 4: people that are still not gone back to their communities. 569 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 7: They come in for the show, but then they'll stay on. 570 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 4: People come in for medical reasons and then they stay 571 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 4: on and they create that antisocial behavior. I know that 572 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 4: public housing safeties of our officers are always moving people on. 573 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 4: The solution isn't that, because you then get people displaced 574 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 4: into places like park public parks and stuff like that. 575 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 7: The solution is actually getting able to get them going. 576 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: But there's a lot of if you like, there's a 577 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 4: lot of cultural overlay in there, and I know we 578 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 4: don't like to necessarily talk about that, but where who 579 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 4: doesn't well as a community, we don't acknowledge that you 580 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 4: might have a woman that's been given a house with 581 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: three kids, and all of a sudden, she's got a 582 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 4: whole heap of family that have come in and she's 583 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 4: got cultural obligations and she can't say leave. So that's 584 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 4: why you know you've got public housing safety officers. 585 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 7: I push back on what Jared said. You have a 586 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 7: real need for them. They've been in place for a 587 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 7: very long time. 588 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: In fact, the last time that the CLP was in government, 589 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 4: you enhanced them. You didn't get rid of them. So 590 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 4: don't be disingenuous gotten rid. 591 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: Of the comments that I'm raising or what I'm saying 592 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: is getting rid of them because I don't think they're 593 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: very good or integrated part of the So guess the 594 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: point that I'm kind of looking at, or what I'm 595 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: sort of looking at, is you see at different times, 596 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: and you know, not wanting to go into any specific cases, 597 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: but you've seen at different times where police officers have followed, 598 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: you know, their specific training that they are given, and 599 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: they've followed out with that training and then something has 600 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: happened and it's ended up in court or they've. 601 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: Ended up in trouble. 602 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily talking about the high profile case 603 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: that's on everybody's minds, but in other cases where they've 604 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: used capsicum spray or where they've had to, you know, 605 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: to deploy one of the tools in their tool belt 606 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: to try and calm a situations out and they've ended 607 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: up in trouble. So then you're putting you know, housing 608 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: offices in a situation that could be. 609 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 7: The nuance of it is that they are different. 610 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 4: So public housing safety officers are trained in de escalation first, 611 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: So what we're saying is in the. 612 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 7: Very extreme situation and where yes, so. 613 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 4: Where well not always please go into very dangerous situations. 614 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 4: They do de escalate very dangerous situations with guns and 615 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 4: knives and all those sorts of things, Katie, We know that, 616 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 4: but public housing safety officers don't have that same approach. 617 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 7: They're there to de escalate where they can. 618 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 4: They often more of the last resort, absolutely last resort, 619 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 4: So they do all of the tools in their toolbox 620 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 4: and they get as many people as they can and 621 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 4: if things get bad, they call the police. 622 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: So do we read in a situation, let's say, like 623 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: what we've seen on Emery Avenue a couple of weeks ago, 624 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: where it was terrible out there. You know, we ended 625 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: up it culminated in a car being lit on fire 626 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: fighting in the street. We'd had some of our listeners 627 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: call through and say, you know, Katie, I don't feel 628 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: safe with my dad, who's. 629 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: Got dementia staying at home during the day. 630 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: It was pretty terrible for them, and they specifically said 631 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: exactly where the trouble was coming from, and it was 632 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: visitors who were they? But like, how is how is 633 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: this announcement that was made earlier in the week going 634 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: to help in a situation like that? 635 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 4: So this scales up things like the capsicle spray, the 636 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 4: ability to use that, which they've not had before, and 637 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 4: we've done that recently with others. So it just brings 638 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 4: them on par with the transit safety officers, for example, 639 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 4: and it gives them one tool in their toolbox if 640 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 4: that situation occurs that they can deescalate like that in 641 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 4: the situation like Emery, yes, we saw what happened at 642 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 4: the time, but what we're not talking about is what 643 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 4: happened afterwards, And what happens is public housing safety officers 644 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 4: would have been part of an approach post that you 645 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: would have seen all the agencies stood up, territory families, housing, 646 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 4: education police all coordinated in it how to. 647 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: Go when those people were calling at the time, because 648 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: the get sorted until they came to the media. 649 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 4: But sometimes things spike, Katie, the media gets attention at 650 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 4: the same time. 651 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 7: And then those students going for days. 652 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: They told me they've been calling for days. 653 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 7: That's a failure of response. 654 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: Failure of housing as well. 655 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: They've been calling them, they've been calling the police, they've 656 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: been calling all of those departments. And you know, I 657 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: take the point on board that you're saying is that 658 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: there's got to be you know, it's got to be 659 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: sort of a whole of government approach. But then when 660 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: you're not getting that response, when you are calling through 661 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: to all of those different departments. 662 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 4: And we should look at that and go what happened 663 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 4: here and make sure it doesn't happen again. 664 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: Those services do it together. 665 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: Just keep moving along because there is so much to 666 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: cover off on this morning. Now, one of the other 667 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: announcements this week is this police retention. Now are the 668 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: COLP is saying that a police retention bonus program's going 669 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: to be granted to all Northern Territory police officers who 670 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: reach ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty five and thirty year milestones. 671 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 3: Next year it would be. 672 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: So this is if elected, of course, a ten thousand 673 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: dollars bonus given out to those who are dedicated ten 674 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: years service, fifteen thousand for those who've served fifteen, twenty 675 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: grand for those who celebrate twenty, twenty five or thirty 676 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: year milestone. 677 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 7: How are they going? 678 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 5: How is the CLP going to know when they'll have 679 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 5: to be in government in twenty years to make sure 680 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 5: the person who hits twenty years service gets their twenty 681 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 5: thousand times twelve month trail yea as. 682 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 6: Only sure was actually going to work, because Keny, you 683 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 6: look see what happens here is we know that the 684 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 6: police haven't been to boarded by the labor government. The 685 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 6: last three survey said open ninety percent of the police 686 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 6: officers feeld the haven'ts to board the labor government. And 687 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 6: that's a fact. You can go read those surveys. So 688 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 6: what we want to do if we're elected is support 689 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 6: the police. They do a great job out there in 690 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 6: the front line, and we want to give them those Can. 691 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 3: You extend it? 692 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 8: Why not make it more than make if it's the 693 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 8: you're a thirteen year officer and then it only lasts 694 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 8: twelve months and gets yanked away. 695 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 7: They're not going to get that process. 696 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 6: To work with the police over the next year if 697 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 6: we get elected to see it, Can we tweet it? 698 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 6: Can we make it better because we want to support 699 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 6: the police, Could we know over government having its perfictly, 700 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 6: the bottom line what's. 701 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 5: Happened in this election, and it happens in other elections too, 702 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 5: is the police have just become a political football, you know, 703 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 5: and they're a very important part of our community, any 704 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 5: community anywhere in the world. But a bonus system should 705 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 5: be looked at very carefully as to whether it should 706 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: just be restricted to police or whether it should be 707 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 5: others incorporated into for example, fire and ambulance. You know, 708 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 5: then you're sort of given the teachers thirty thirty thirteen 709 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: percent increase, or nurses or perhaps it should be key 710 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 5: people in frontline, or whether it should be people in uniform. 711 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 5: I don't know. But I don't have an issue with 712 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 5: the problem though, because there's bonuses in the private sector 713 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 5: all the time, retention bonuses all the time. But I'm 714 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 5: just curious and I'm not clear how it's actually going 715 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 5: to work. 716 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not clear how were you wanted to afford 717 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: any of the promises that are being made to be 718 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: really bluntly honest from both sides. 719 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 3: Look, we are going to have. 720 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: To take a really quick break, and we are trying 721 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: our best to power through all the topics today, but 722 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: there is so much going on now. You might recall 723 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: back in July when the situation in Alice Springs was 724 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: flaring up again, the Northern Territory Police suspended the liquor 725 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: licenses of two venues. At the time, we spoke to 726 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Alex Bruce from Hospitality who had some concerns around the 727 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: suspensions and some of the comments made. Now, the managers 728 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: of one of those pubs questioned the evidence that police 729 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: had used, and well, earlier in the week, the Northern 730 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: Territory Police issued a media release correcting and retracting those statements. 731 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: Now, Kate, I know that you'd made some pretty firm. 732 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: Statements or pretty big calls on the show on that 733 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: same week. 734 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: I mean, like you, what's your reaction. 735 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 4: So I'm very supportive of police having the powers to 736 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 4: intervene where there's issues around alcohol because they are generally 737 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 4: the first responders and it's an appropriate thing to do. 738 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 4: But I think what this has shown us that you 739 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 4: need a review mechanism or to apply that procedure fairness 740 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 4: on natural justice to in this instance those businesses. So 741 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 4: I think this has highlighted that I'm never going to 742 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 4: back away from giving the police the powers to do 743 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 4: their job, because in other instances outside of this, they've 744 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 4: done some really good work. 745 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 7: They've shut down a lot. 746 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 4: Of venues for up to twenty four to forty eight 747 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 4: hours at different points in time, which has really escalated things. 748 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 7: So I do think these powers are necessary. 749 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 4: But obviously we do need to have an opportunity for 750 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 4: those businesses to have that reviewed, and this has highlighted that. 751 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 4: So absolutely willing to cop that and we will make 752 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 4: sure that review mechanism is brought into place. 753 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: I mean, you've made some comments. 754 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: I was saying that you had seen them pulled out 755 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: the shutters and doing the wrong thing, So you start 756 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: by that. 757 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I've seen the shutters pull down. I've seen people 758 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 4: come out onto the street and all the spring that 759 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 4: are so highly intoxicated they can't. 760 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: Stand up if they came to retract that coming into. 761 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 7: Or retracting that. 762 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 4: Because that's my own experience and I've seen that, we 763 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 4: need to make sure that everybody has a responsibility around 764 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: alcohol that includes people selling it, people consuming it, and 765 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 4: we need to get on top of those things. 766 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: Go by Alex Spruce throughout the week as well, that 767 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: he had said that the reality of that situation was 768 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: that some young people had actually got into an altercation 769 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: at a fast food restaurant. They'd then come further down, 770 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: and that there was actually a I thought he'd set 771 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: a Territory Families vehicle that had been keeping an eye 772 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: on things that hadn't sort of hadn't interacted or done 773 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: anything either. So I mean, is it, like, is there 774 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: questions that need to be asked in that space, whether 775 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: the departments potentially acted appropriately. 776 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 4: Heard of that incident, And I'd be very happy to 777 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 4: unpack that and see if that's the case. But what 778 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 4: I'm saying is that we need a range of laws 779 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 4: around alcohol and everybody needs. 780 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: To do it disagreble. 781 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that the police were one hundred 782 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: percent right in this situation, but I back the fact 783 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 4: they've got these powers. But I have seen in our 784 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 4: email springs where people are highly intoxicated by the middle 785 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 4: of the day that glog's coming from somewhere I know 786 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 4: the police down there have done some significant work around 787 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 4: secondary supply and we've got to make. 788 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 7: Sure that that's where it stops. 789 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 4: But can I also say that I've also seen this 790 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 4: pattern where family members who are not on the band 791 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 4: drinkers registered are clearly purchasing a leader, a bottle of 792 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 4: spirits and a great big crton of beer every single 793 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 4: day and they're clearly not consuming it. So we need 794 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 4: to be innovative around this space and continue to work 795 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 4: in alcohol because we do see those things every single 796 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 4: day across the Northern Church. 797 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 6: I know the Labor government change the law in relation 798 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 6: to the penalty for the secondary supply, so we asked 799 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 6: some questions in parliament and over the last three and 800 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 6: a half years, no one has been charged with secondary supply. 801 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 6: So when Ms Warren talks about the people are doing it, 802 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 6: we've asked the question, I can go and show you 803 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 6: no one has been charged the prosecution. 804 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 5: I think there's I think into communities being charged. 805 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 7: And they can't. 806 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 6: That might be under you know, bringing Lickory and we're 807 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 6: talking about secondary supply and the Harm Reduction Act. 808 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 8: I don't know me Why wasn't the cc TV reviewed 809 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 8: in the first place to really to use some. 810 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 5: Evidence exactly before they made the decision. 811 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 8: Now it's taken over a month until this retractions come out. 812 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 5: It's just and didn't I read not the commissioner, but 813 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 5: another senior officer said he wasn't going to apologize. So 814 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 5: you've got Alice on one hand, you've got the commissioner 815 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 5: retracting the statement. I think it was the commissioner, and 816 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 5: then another. 817 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, the media unit. So I'm not sure exactly. Yeah, 818 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how. 819 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 5: Well it just goes. It shows how quickly police have 820 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 5: been making decisions down in our springs based on what 821 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 5: they think is the right thing to do at that 822 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 5: particular time. 823 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 2: And clearly the government not going to apologize, and they're 824 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: being pushed. 825 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 3: In Alice Springs. 826 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: A thirty eight year old female has been charged in 827 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: relation to the unlawful sale of alcohol last week. So 828 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: that was on Wednesday, and she apparently had three lead 829 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: casks of wine on ellery drive and that thirty eight 830 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: are you retracting them when she was charged with two 831 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: She was charged with two counts of unauthorized sales. 832 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 6: You should protract your talking about authorized sale. I'm talking 833 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 6: about a secondary supply, which Miss Warden said that she 834 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 6: has had a second veration. When you're selling it, that's 835 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 6: not secondaries. 836 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 3: Look, we are going to take a really quick break. 837 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: There is so much to cover off on this morning 838 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: and before we wrap up this morning, we have had 839 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: really well a number of people who live in a 840 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: nulla in contact with us throughout this week. A couple 841 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: in particular who live on the street where there was 842 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: a large disturbance involving knives and an air rifle. Now 843 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: police so they received reports from multiple people fighting with 844 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: machetes before a firearm was produced upon Union Terrace about 845 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: eight o'clock. I believe it was Wednesday night if I 846 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: recall correctly, maybe Tuesday Tuesday night actually. The group then 847 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: dispersed when officers arrived. Then heavily armed police converging on 848 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: that nearby property, arresting an eighteen year old man. Now, 849 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: two of the neighbors that have been in contact with 850 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: us have said that they had been in contact with 851 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: both Territory Housing also the police over various incidents and 852 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: different things that had been occurring where they were quite 853 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: worried that it was going to escalate. 854 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 5: They would have had they would have had they would 855 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 5: have seen, they would have seen, they would have heard, 856 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 5: and if their neighbors have probably been there for many years. 857 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 5: And this is just another situation. Last week it was 858 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 5: in Palmerston burning cars and Maria every this time it's 859 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 5: in Anula, you know, and Alice Springs and somewhere else, 860 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 5: somewhere else another. And they'll be not necessarily public housing 861 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 5: tenants and their visitors. It won't necessarily be that, but 862 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 5: it'll just be a problem with the crime and the 863 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 5: meles that we see. And it's fine to say these 864 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 5: people are visitors and they're the ones that are naughtying 865 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 5: it into trouble, but they are showing blatant disregard for 866 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 5: the law as well. It doesn't matter who they are, 867 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 5: you know, something has to give. And my question has 868 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 5: always been where the bloody get these machetes from, because 869 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 5: there's only about two businesses in Darwin that sell them, 870 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 5: which I'm not going to name, you know, and they 871 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 5: usually use I've. 872 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 3: Got don't regarded as you know, and their rifle. 873 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 5: I understand it was an air you know, it's a 874 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 5: bit different to twenty two or something, but it still 875 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 5: can be very dangerous. But you know, these people these people. 876 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 5: I still can't keep you too. But you know, these 877 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 5: people just shouldn't have access. I'm not saying prohibit them 878 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 5: and put them behind the counter like cigarettes, but the 879 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 5: volume of machines that are sold in the territory is. 880 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 7: Going to last. 881 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 6: Look at the issue here, the causes the crime, and 882 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 6: there's crime control right across the Northern chitory and there 883 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 6: is no contempt. And this is another example how they 884 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 6: failed territorial. 885 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: Saying to us earlier that they're visitors in a lot 886 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: of cases. 887 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 3: I'm assuming in this I. 888 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 4: Don't get some context because carriage is going to talk 889 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 4: over the top of me regardless. We've bo've done a 890 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 4: pretty good job of that this morning around here, Katie. 891 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 4: But you know that particular property for many many years, 892 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 4: and to fact, the whole time of my tenure had 893 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 4: a beautiful family in it for a long time. They 894 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 4: exited and we've got a new family and there recently 895 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 4: that have got some significant visitor management. Territory housing have 896 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 4: been going in there within their remit to try and 897 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 4: get that done. I know that other services have been 898 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 4: in there as well, because I've been chatting with the 899 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 4: local school because there's a child there that needs to 900 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 4: go to school and they are doing everything within their 901 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 4: powers to get that child to school. So there's a 902 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 4: whole range of things. Territory families are now stepping into 903 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 4: that space. And I know that police have been responding 904 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 4: to a number of issues because people keep going that 905 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 4: to that property repeatedly. Hopefully now we've got all of 906 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 4: those services connecting up and doing something about that. For 907 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 4: my mind, Katie, and this is we were just taught 908 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 4: to talking about evictions off air. If that tenant can't 909 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 4: manage that property, there needs to be an eviction. And 910 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 4: when I was a territory housing minister, we did do 911 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 4: a number of evictions, and just a number of weeks ago, 912 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 4: we had an eviction in Wogaman, a successful eviction because 913 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 4: people there were putting up with absolutely disgusting behavior well 914 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 4: below what you would expect and what you should be 915 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 4: should be, you know, going on in your communities, and 916 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 4: those people escalated that to me and we work together 917 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 4: to make sure that we could get those people out. 918 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 4: You have to, you know, territory public housing is not 919 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 4: a right, it's a privilege. And when you get that privilege, 920 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 4: because we know that these are most vulnerable people often 921 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 4: people come in from remote for reasons that need to 922 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 4: access health. You need to manage that property, and if 923 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 4: you're struggling, you need to actually allow the services to 924 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 4: help you to do that. And you know you'll see 925 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 4: all those signs up about banning of alcohol and all 926 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 4: that sort of stuff. You need to get all of 927 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 4: that in place and make sure you step on the 928 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 4: gas and look after your tendancy. And where you can't, 929 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 4: there's no place for that group of people within our community. 930 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 4: So we need to just keep working on it and 931 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 4: make sure that people can, you know, are evicted where 932 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 4: they don't look after the tendancies. 933 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 8: You'd hope that for those people in that community that 934 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 8: will happen sooner rather than later. Given the escalation of 935 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 8: that incident during the week, I suppose the main thing 936 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 8: that people would be questioning you mentioned within their remit. 937 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 8: So then do they need to have extra powers or 938 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 8: like fasten the process to sort it out because obviously 939 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 8: you mentioned that there was a good family in there. 940 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 8: Now obviously who's in their error struggling to deal with 941 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 8: all these other things? How long has that been going 942 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 8: on for people? 943 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 7: Everybody comes onto the same bit of legislation CAT. So 944 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 7: maybe there needs to be a relook. Maybe we do 945 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 7: need to look at it. 946 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 4: But where you've got somebody in a public that you've 947 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 4: got the same measure. But the thing is, when you 948 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 4: go to NTCAT to get an eviction, there's expectation that 949 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 4: public housing is the last resort for anybody in terms 950 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 4: of housing. That you show and demonstrate that those people 951 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 4: can't keep that tendency going, and often they'll push you 952 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 4: back out of NTCAT. So that you've got to be schmick. 953 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 4: You've got to have all of your evidence. 954 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 7: I know that which you wait list. 955 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 3: Then yeah, that's exactly right to have. 956 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to get ready 957 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: to wrap up because we have run out of time. 958 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: But before we wrap up, Keys, you understand you're having 959 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: a bit of a garage. 960 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 5: To the teapots have been a hot favorite. 961 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: Have they? 962 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 3: Well sixteen this is actually for your electoral office. 963 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 5: This is my electoral office and been having been in 964 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 5: there for sixteen years, there seems to be an awful 965 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 5: lot of stuff that has to be moved out, like 966 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 5: things that we've purchased over. 967 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: There some phantom memorability are keeping that for yourself? 968 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 5: Well, no, there are some second comics, as in I've 969 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 5: already got the originals and these are seconds. We've got 970 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 5: fantom stuff. We've got lots of the teapots are in 971 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 5: hot demand KPE, especially the blue ones. Yeah, but there's 972 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 5: lots of stuff. There's Michael Waves's crockery, this cutlery, the Waves, yes, stationary, 973 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 5: there's toys. We used to do a decoration in our windows. 974 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 3: So what can people? Are you raising some money? People 975 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 3: having it for. 976 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 5: Free, no notes for Wildcare, wonderful backers and Wildcare team. 977 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 5: And we'll have some food and some so if you 978 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 5: if you didn't want to buy anything, you can make 979 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 5: a donation. And yeah, eight thirty three to about one twelve, 980 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 5: come along everyone, come hell a drink. 981 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 7: Waves. We are going to have to wrap up. 982 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 3: Jared Mayley for the CLP. 983 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: Good to see you, thanks for your time this morning. 984 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you listening. 985 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola from nine years Start, Thank you for your 986 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: time this morning. 987 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 3: Keizy Appuric, thank you for that. 988 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 5: Thanks Kate, thanks for. 989 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 3: Joining us in. 990 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: Kate Warden, thank you for your time. Good to see 991 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:29,760 Speaker 1: you this morning. 992 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 7: Always love to be here. 993 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 4: And just a final reminder get out and vote, Let 994 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 4: vote early, vote often, just. 995 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 5: Once, just especially when you've got lots of sisters with 996 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:39,879 Speaker 5: the same shirt. 997 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 3: Nay that sister sister's control. 998 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to get the electoral commissioner onto you. You 999 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. 1000 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 3: That was the week, That was