1
00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,280
Speaker 1: It's the Happy Family's podcast with doctor Justin Coolson. It's

2
00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,360
Speaker 1: the podcast for the time poor parent who just one answers.

3
00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,600
Speaker 1: Now we are Luke and Suzi. We're our husband and

4
00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,639
Speaker 1: wife radio team. We have three young boys, and today

5
00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,320
Speaker 1: we are talking about this time of respite that we're

6
00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,520
Speaker 1: being given as a part of COVID nineteen, the response

7
00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,680
Speaker 1: that we're making as a nation. How do we navigate this,

8
00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,120
Speaker 1: Will it actually be respite in our homes? How can

9
00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,480
Speaker 1: we make sure it's a good time? Isn't it interesting?

10
00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,040
Speaker 1: I like it when we have conversations about stuff, Lou

11
00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,960
Speaker 1: because you have such a different perspective to me. And

12
00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,200
Speaker 1: we were just talking about the opportunity that the current

13
00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,760
Speaker 1: circumstance has given people a lot of people working from home.

14
00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,559
Speaker 1: Now I look at that and I think they're going

15
00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,600
Speaker 1: to find out how efficient they can be because they're

16
00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,760
Speaker 1: not being interrupted by workmates all day through the casual conversation,

17
00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,320
Speaker 1: not having necessarily the same breaks, or stopping for birthday cake,

18
00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,440
Speaker 1: or you know, having to travel to and from work,

19
00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,760
Speaker 1: and suddenly that frees up all of this time in

20
00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,120
Speaker 1: the day that would otherwise be invested in the office.

21
00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,440
Speaker 1: What do you do with that at home. How brilliant

22
00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,960
Speaker 1: you look at it and go, now there's no space.

23
00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this lack of respite. And you know, the

24
00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,640
Speaker 2: interesting thing is because it's not from my own personal

25
00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,040
Speaker 2: feelings that makes me aware of the lack of respite

26
00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,759
Speaker 2: and they're always having children in your space, it's from you.

27
00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,440
Speaker 2: It's that how difficult it is for you to switch off.

28
00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,520
Speaker 2: The time I get I see you switch off is

29
00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,360
Speaker 2: when the children are at school and whether you're working,

30
00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,200
Speaker 2: whether you're doing something else. That's your U time, which

31
00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,600
Speaker 2: you so desperately need to stay in balance.

32
00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,640
Speaker 1: And your guarantee that you give us as a parenting

33
00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,080
Speaker 1: expert is that we will be a happy family. I mean,

34
00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,560
Speaker 1: you say it right there in the website happy families

35
00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,640
Speaker 1: dot com. But a you doctor justin Coolson, are our

36
00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,559
Speaker 1: family is going to be happy through this time?

37
00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,120
Speaker 3: They can be. I'm feeling a little bit of pressure now.

38
00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,200
Speaker 3: My eyes just went wide as sources as you put

39
00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,800
Speaker 3: that on me, I.

40
00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,600
Speaker 1: Was pointing at the time. So it does make it

41
00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,520
Speaker 1: more intimidating, a.

42
00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,000
Speaker 3: Little bit threatened here. They can be, But it really

43
00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,440
Speaker 3: comes down to how we're going to set our expectations

44
00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,160
Speaker 3: and boundaries and what we can do with our children now.

45
00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,000
Speaker 3: The reality is as we spend more time at home,

46
00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,520
Speaker 3: which is being required of many more of us now,

47
00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,560
Speaker 3: and who knows in the future it might become even

48
00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,720
Speaker 3: more required of us. As we spend more time, we

49
00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,880
Speaker 3: have a tremendous opportunity if we embrace it, to connect

50
00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,440
Speaker 3: and develop our family in ways that we usually just

51
00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,680
Speaker 3: don't have time to do. I think this is a wonderful,

52
00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,520
Speaker 3: extraordinarily good opportunity. Of course, anyone who runs a small

53
00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,600
Speaker 3: business from home, or who is now being told by

54
00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,480
Speaker 3: their major employer to work from home, is going are

55
00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,920
Speaker 3: you not? How am I going to do this? This

56
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,600
Speaker 3: is insane? So I've got a couple of ideas.

57
00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,440
Speaker 2: That might be useful great well, and a couple of

58
00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,760
Speaker 2: ideas it won't be useful at all.

59
00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:43,239
Speaker 3: That's good.

60
00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,680
Speaker 1: Every family, they start with the helpful ones.

61
00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,600
Speaker 3: Every family is different. The first one that I'm actually

62
00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,560
Speaker 3: going to recommend is that we relax the tech rules

63
00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,120
Speaker 3: normally in our homes. We've got this thing about and

64
00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,760
Speaker 3: every parent does it differently, but most parents recognize that

65
00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,520
Speaker 3: too much technology is not going to be a good thing,

66
00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,160
Speaker 3: and we want to reduce the amount of tech that

67
00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,000
Speaker 3: our children are exposed to because you know, screens and

68
00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,760
Speaker 3: square eyes and all that kind of stuff. Plus they're

69
00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,360
Speaker 3: not outside, they're not being active, and that's bad for

70
00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,640
Speaker 3: their health. All that still remains true. The reality is, though,

71
00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,240
Speaker 3: that we just have to get stuff done sometimes, and

72
00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,080
Speaker 3: that might mean that we have to say to the kids,

73
00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,200
Speaker 3: you get some extended screen time today. You can watch

74
00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,600
Speaker 3: that movie, or you can do a bit of extra

75
00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,360
Speaker 3: extra schoolwork. You know, there's all these education software programs

76
00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,079
Speaker 3: that the children usually use as part of their schooling anyway,

77
00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,079
Speaker 3: and they really do like the games, especially if they're

78
00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,960
Speaker 3: in primary school. High school perhaps not quite so much.

79
00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,080
Speaker 3: But let's let them actually go and do that. I

80
00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,040
Speaker 3: did see a meme that was posted that made me laugh.

81
00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,880
Speaker 3: It was completely inappropriate, but she it made me laugh.

82
00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,680
Speaker 3: The mum is sitting at her computer, she's obviously working

83
00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,400
Speaker 3: from home. She's got their headphones on and just staring

84
00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,880
Speaker 3: at the screen. And on the floor behind her on

85
00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,480
Speaker 3: a mattress, she's got her three children. They're laying down,

86
00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,280
Speaker 3: their hands are tied in front of them, and they've

87
00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,360
Speaker 3: got some you know, some cloth in their mouth. Obviously,

88
00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,480
Speaker 3: I'm not recommending that that's one of the bad ideas.

89
00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,400
Speaker 3: But sometimes as parents we feel like that, like, can

90
00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,200
Speaker 3: you all just I'd like to lock you in the

91
00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,920
Speaker 3: room and just not listen to you for an hour

92
00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,120
Speaker 3: so I can get this work done.

93
00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,119
Speaker 1: Well, this is it, because it feels like it's now

94
00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,000
Speaker 1: that experience that we have as parents is going to

95
00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,960
Speaker 1: be exacerbated. So the normal experience is if you're not

96
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,680
Speaker 1: doing anything important, the children are fine, but as soon

97
00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,480
Speaker 1: as you pick up the phone to make a phone call,

98
00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,000
Speaker 1: they all need you immediately, And so that's kind of

99
00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,320
Speaker 1: I guess the thought going in is how are we

100
00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,359
Speaker 1: going to navigate it if I've got important work to

101
00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520
Speaker 1: do but the children are constantly going to interrupt because

102
00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,080
Speaker 1: we're there and they want to be with us.

103
00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,000
Speaker 3: So this is my next big idea. I think that

104
00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,480
Speaker 3: we should work in sprints. When we're working at home

105
00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,640
Speaker 3: with children, we need to recognize we're not going to

106
00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,599
Speaker 3: get two hours or four hours or six hours of

107
00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,000
Speaker 3: uninterrupted time to blast through all of the productivity things

108
00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,640
Speaker 3: that we need to do. So working in sprints means

109
00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,600
Speaker 3: that we go and spend some time with the kids

110
00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,680
Speaker 3: for fifteen minutes and then we say all right, guys,

111
00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,840
Speaker 3: for the next thirty minutes or the next forty five minutes,

112
00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to be in this task. What are you

113
00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,480
Speaker 3: going to be doing? And we work in these fifteen on,

114
00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,280
Speaker 3: forty five off. Oh sorry sorry, fifteen off, forty five on. Yeah,

115
00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,160
Speaker 3: And there's a handful of other ways that we can

116
00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,400
Speaker 3: manage this as well. We might decide that fifteen is

117
00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,440
Speaker 3: not enough, we need to do thirty. With the children.

118
00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,800
Speaker 3: It depends on their age and their capacity. Have a

119
00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,839
Speaker 3: jar with activities that they can do while you're busy,

120
00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,320
Speaker 3: so that they're not going to be I'm bored. That's

121
00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,880
Speaker 3: not fair, you know. Give them, give them a sense

122
00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,600
Speaker 3: of autonomy. Let them choose what they'll do when you're

123
00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,160
Speaker 3: taking that break. Go for a walk with them. If

124
00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,160
Speaker 3: you're fortunate enough to live in an area where it's

125
00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,680
Speaker 3: warm enough and you have a swimming pool, go for

126
00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,520
Speaker 3: a swim. Go throw a ball with the children, or

127
00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,279
Speaker 3: kick a ball, or go for a little bike ride.

128
00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,360
Speaker 3: Do something where you're actually being active and physical with them.

129
00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,320
Speaker 3: Have a wrestle on the floor, read them a story,

130
00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,400
Speaker 3: go on, bake some muffins. Just do something to reduce

131
00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:57,320
Speaker 3: the pressure on you and on them when they're engaged,

132
00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,960
Speaker 3: then you can get back to work and you set

133
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,839
Speaker 3: the boundaries. Well, this is the other critical thing. Okay,

134
00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,080
Speaker 3: I've spent that time with you, but I'm spending the

135
00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,800
Speaker 3: time with you now because I've got to go do

136
00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,960
Speaker 3: some work. Shortly. Let's set the oven time and let's

137
00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,880
Speaker 3: set the timer on the iPad. Let's look at the clock.

138
00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,279
Speaker 3: When the clockhand gets to there, that's when we're going

139
00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,320
Speaker 3: to do our next activity. Let's work out what it's

140
00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,479
Speaker 3: going to be. Dive into the jar pull out activity. Okay,

141
00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,240
Speaker 3: we're doing that in forty five minutes. We're doing that

142
00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,320
Speaker 3: in an hour and a half. We're doing that in

143
00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,320
Speaker 3: twenty six minutes. Depending on the attention span of your children,

144
00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,960
Speaker 3: and that gives them something to look forward to. They

145
00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,240
Speaker 3: also now know that they've only got to occupy themselves

146
00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,520
Speaker 3: until such and such a time before I get time

147
00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:30,760
Speaker 3: with mum or dad again.

148
00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,760
Speaker 1: So this might take for us at the end of

149
00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,400
Speaker 1: our work day and when the kids have gone to

150
00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,320
Speaker 1: bed and the days all settled, and we finally got

151
00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,280
Speaker 1: that half time, taking maybe fifteen minutes to actually think

152
00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,640
Speaker 1: about what have I got to do work wise tomorrow

153
00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,440
Speaker 1: and how can I split it up so that I

154
00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,160
Speaker 1: get everything I need to get done. And also, what's

155
00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,680
Speaker 1: a great cake recipe that takes ten minutes in preparation

156
00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,160
Speaker 1: and cooks for forty five minutes so that we can

157
00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,400
Speaker 1: do that as a process across the day and afternoon

158
00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,480
Speaker 1: tea time comes, we've got a freshly baked cake that

159
00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,080
Speaker 1: we've you know, prepped in one break, got out of

160
00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,360
Speaker 1: the oven in the next break, and I asked you

161
00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,280
Speaker 1: that cake to Yeah, I've got it in my head

162
00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,280
Speaker 1: how I'm going to do this, But that prep time,

163
00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,240
Speaker 1: I think is going to be important for us, right.

164
00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it doesn't. Listening to you, I'm starting to

165
00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,200
Speaker 3: feel burdened as a parent. I'm like, oh no, I've

166
00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,960
Speaker 3: got to do something else, and I just want to

167
00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,760
Speaker 3: get the kids to bed and be a human for

168
00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,480
Speaker 3: a minute, because sometimes it doesn't feel like we are

169
00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,160
Speaker 3: humans when we're parents. It's almost like they're mutually exclusive propositions.

170
00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,360
Speaker 3: The great thing is, though, you probably only need to

171
00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,440
Speaker 3: come up with let's say four activities a day, and

172
00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,200
Speaker 3: like you said, one of them can be baking a treat,

173
00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,160
Speaker 3: another one could be something physical, another one might I mean,

174
00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,320
Speaker 3: you decide, you work it out, but The cool thing

175
00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:40,880
Speaker 3: about this is you don't have to come up with

176
00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,360
Speaker 3: new things every day. If the children are enjoying what

177
00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,040
Speaker 3: you're doing, don't reinvent the will do it again tomorrow,

178
00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,480
Speaker 3: or come up with two or three that you can

179
00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,560
Speaker 3: rotate through every second or third day. The main thing

180
00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,200
Speaker 3: is we do need to be a bit proactive. A

181
00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,880
Speaker 3: little bit of prior preparation prevents a lousy day at work,

182
00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,679
Speaker 3: alousid down the officer, prevents poor performance for our family.

183
00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I reckon ten minutes and have a

184
00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,680
Speaker 3: chat with the children about it, and don't make it

185
00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,400
Speaker 3: a big deal. Make it really simple. Put it up

186
00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,600
Speaker 3: on the white board, or put it up on the

187
00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,560
Speaker 3: fridge or on your corkboard or wherever it is that

188
00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,760
Speaker 3: you write these things. No way, it's already planned. You

189
00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,000
Speaker 3: know what you're doing, and the children will get used

190
00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,840
Speaker 3: to the change, they will settle into the new groove,

191
00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,240
Speaker 3: they will learn to occupy themselves, and.

192
00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,760
Speaker 1: We need to give them some credit as well. Our

193
00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,680
Speaker 1: children actually already have a routine that they are familiar with.

194
00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,200
Speaker 1: They have a school timetable they're running to every day

195
00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,880
Speaker 1: and they I don't know, I think there's some scope

196
00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,400
Speaker 1: in there that actually will allow them to be self

197
00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,880
Speaker 1: well as Lot ten. It does depend on their age,

198
00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,839
Speaker 1: I get that, but they're good little self learners. They're

199
00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,360
Speaker 1: excited learners when they're young, and when they're older, they're

200
00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,120
Speaker 1: old enough to go down the street by themselves for

201
00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:44,720
Speaker 1: ten minutes.

202
00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,760
Speaker 3: Sure, Sure, it depends on the age of the child.

203
00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,760
Speaker 3: Five year olds, you're going to have to do a

204
00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,719
Speaker 3: lot more prep work, a lot more leg work, and

205
00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,000
Speaker 3: expect a lot more interruptions. We've got to balance our

206
00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,360
Speaker 3: expectations appropriately. We can't expect our children to act like

207
00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,199
Speaker 3: adults their children, so let's remember that. Other than that, though,

208
00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,760
Speaker 3: I really think if we can put our technology down

209
00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,559
Speaker 3: and give them good quality time, we're going to have

210
00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,640
Speaker 3: better outcomes. So put the phone away, concentrate on the kids,

211
00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,240
Speaker 3: at least in those in those sins. Yeah, and then

212
00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,719
Speaker 3: and then do another sprint at work. And you know

213
00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,880
Speaker 3: you've got to be efficient because you've only got that

214
00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,960
Speaker 3: little bit of time, So dive in great, awesome.

215
00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,320
Speaker 2: Well some plenty to think about, and just to relax

216
00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,480
Speaker 2: and give ourselves the ability and just just on a

217
00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,800
Speaker 2: side note, we've had productivity experts in the show who

218
00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,719
Speaker 2: probably even without children tell us to do things like

219
00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,839
Speaker 2: forty five minutes or fifty minutes on then go and

220
00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,160
Speaker 2: take a break, excited to come back, and they reckon,

221
00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,840
Speaker 2: you're more productive when you regularly take that little snapshot

222
00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:40,800
Speaker 2: of a break from what you're doing.

223
00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,680
Speaker 3: So it's amazing, I should take up some consultancy.

224
00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that kind of in a sense what you do?

225
00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,120
Speaker 2: Just okay, doctor Justin calls it our guests, thank you

226
00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:51,559
Speaker 2: so much.

227
00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,199
Speaker 1: If you've enjoyed the podcast, we'd love for you to

228
00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,640
Speaker 1: leave a review like this one from de Minzi, who

229
00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,240
Speaker 1: said this is a great podcast for overwhelmed modern parents.

230
00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,280
Speaker 1: Each is isn't too long, succeeding enough. You can listen

231
00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,840
Speaker 1: to one on the school run. It offers sensible, helpful

232
00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,959
Speaker 1: and practical advice you can put into action immediately. You

233
00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,079
Speaker 1: can find more resources at the website happyfamilies dot com

234
00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:11,640
Speaker 1: dot au