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Speaker 1: There have been reports of crime I flaring up of

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Speaker 1: Also is Roden Rifle business owner Trent with good morning to.

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Speaker 2: Your Trent, Good morning case.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show mate. How have

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Speaker 1: things been in Catherine?

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Speaker 2: Look not really very good at the moment. To be

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Speaker 2: perfectly honest with you, there seems to be alcohol restrictions

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Speaker 2: in most of the Northern Territory except Catherine, and they

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Speaker 2: bus service and then after that they're allowed to buy

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Speaker 2: as much alcohol as they like as long as they're

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Speaker 2: not on the BDR From two pm. Woollies is just

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Speaker 2: an absolute war zone some.

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Speaker 1: Days, really, so do you reckon? People are coming in

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Speaker 2: Most of the stuff that we see and what we

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Speaker 2: not local kids who are up to trouble in the town.

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Speaker 2: It's out of town And a good example is recently.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you probably saw on our local

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Speaker 2: crime watch page, was my mum. You know, after she

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Speaker 2: finishes work, hard work and old girl that she is,

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Speaker 2: she goes to Woollies to get her shopping and she

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Speaker 2: was walking with her trolley back to her car and

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Speaker 2: a young fellow tried to pinch her purse out of

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Speaker 2: her trolley. And you know, my mom has been here

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Speaker 2: for thirty eight years and for that to happen to her, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's just yeah, she's almost looking at her. She just

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Speaker 2: seems like a different person in the last few days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is it's actually pretty heartbreaking Trent to hear that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always think of these situations and think,

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Speaker 2: Coming after the bank. It's insane And Katie, where are

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Speaker 2: the parents and the responsible adults of these kids? So

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Speaker 2: the kid that did this was fourteen years old, How

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Speaker 2: the hell did he get on a bus from Mineri

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Speaker 2: to Catherine with no supervising adult and is allowed to

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Speaker 2: Very good, who is controlling what these kids do in

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Speaker 2: I can tell you, he ain't going to do that

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Speaker 2: that as a town, without the assistance of government, without

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Speaker 2: the assistant to the police. That was dealt with as

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Speaker 2: a community. So what did you going to happen?

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Speaker 1: What did just end up doing?

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Speaker 2: Well, it took me five minutes to go and get

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Speaker 2: made to understand what he was doing was wrong. You know,

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Speaker 2: he was brought in to the shop, apologize to my

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Speaker 2: Because mate, we don't accept that here. If I go

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Speaker 2: guess what, you come to my town the same thing's

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Speaker 2: going to happen here. And that's what needs to go

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Speaker 1: And Trent, the thing is, you're also like, you're someone

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Speaker 2: No, that the same kid did this three or four

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Speaker 2: tell me there's a kid in this town who's fourteen

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Speaker 2: Like does it where is this failing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and the thing is it's so obvious for

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Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent. And that's the thing. You know,

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Speaker 2: It's the thing is, if you come to our town,

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Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the police

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Speaker 2: and what they do in our town, but they are

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Speaker 2: And this is the problem that we have, is our

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Speaker 2: bottle shops. They simply don't have the resources to put

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Speaker 1: What do you think needs to happen? I mean, do

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Speaker 2: What a local saying, Well, locals just want to see. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we want to see less alcohol accessed so easy. You know,

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Speaker 2: And that's not Michael to make that for the town.

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Speaker 2: on to a different place, you know. I know that's

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Speaker 2: just shifting the problem, But I mean at the moment,

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Speaker 2: I don't want the problem in our town. And you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's going to encourage you really to move

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Speaker 2: I think we go through cycles and this is one

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Speaker 2: I'm not on the BDR and it's after two pm.

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Speaker 2: Make where do you think it's gonna slare up? You?

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Speaker 2: Bloody obvious to me?

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Speaker 1: It's very obvious, mate, Like what are people saying or

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Speaker 2: May I can? I Katie? And look, you know my

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Speaker 2: she is? She is absolutely rattling cages, doing everything she can.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know where the failures lie. You know,

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know where the failings arcade and

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Speaker 2: I'm out a loss and where I can. But I

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Speaker 2: just don't know what that is. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: it looks like. And I'm hoping that. You know, we're

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Speaker 2: going to see an increase police presence because that's what

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Speaker 2: that's at the end of the day, that's what will

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Speaker 2: boots on the ground has an immediate effect. We know

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Speaker 2: that reducing the supply of alcohol will have immediate effects

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, we've got the Chief Minister on on I

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Speaker 1: is a beautiful little town. You want to be able

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Speaker 1: Then it is just not good enough. And that's just

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Speaker 1: a few of the incidents. There's been some horrible incidents

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Speaker 2: Have you know, we're coming into our peap tourist season

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Speaker 2: right now, so we have one and one only shopping center.

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Speaker 2: Every tourist that comes into this town needs to go shopping.

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Speaker 2: For me. I don't mind if there's you know, heaps

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Speaker 2: And if they hear a small story about someone getting

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Speaker 2: knocked over or someone getting their bags solen, what do

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Speaker 2: you think they're going to do. They're going to get

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Speaker 2: feeling and high tailor the hell out of here. And

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Speaker 2: the Catherine Gorge is going to miss the Hot Springs

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Speaker 2: are going to miss it, Pop Rocket Cafe, all our

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Speaker 2: It It takes a long time to repair a reputation,

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Speaker 2: and it's a double edged sword. You know, even me

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Speaker 2: coming on here doing this because it portrays the town

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Speaker 2: in a way that we don't want to be portrayed.

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Speaker 1: But you've got to get it sorted.

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Speaker 2: We need some help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally spot on, Trent. And I know you love

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Speaker 1: who's out regularly talking the place down or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: I know that that is not your intention in any way.

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Speaker 1: It has to get sorted, and you know, and I

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Speaker 1: think that everybody listening this morning will agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, Yeah, good on your mate.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time this morning. Please pass on

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Speaker 1: my love to your mum. I hope she's okay. I

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Speaker 1: know that things like that can really like they are,

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Speaker 1: it really rattles you. So I really hope you sorry to.

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Speaker 2: Get some closure for my mum. You know able to

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Speaker 2: locate the kid and bring him in here, which not

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Speaker 2: everyone gets to do. You know, I was able to

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Speaker 2: make him face my mum and you could see the

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Speaker 2: genuine remorse in this kid's face that he was Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he knew what he did was wrong.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, good, I'm pleased to hear that, Trent. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you again soon. Thanks mate, mate, Thank

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