WEBVTT - LAURA - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR WEEK 5 - NETWORK 10 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.640 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.120 TV Reload, the podcast Last Weep That Light. Hey guys, 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.080 welcome back to TV Reload. I want to thank you 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.720 for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Laura, the 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.240 latest eliminated Australian Survivor player, who I'm going to say 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.160 I have been, I had been, I should say, really 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.320 enjoying the season. The fifth week of the competition, we 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.599 saw another Original Brains player being booted, and we're going 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.560 to get some hot takes on Laura's blindside and also 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.240 talk about this week's tribal councils. Laura will talk about 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.479 her relationship with Sarah and Logan and what she really 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.519 thinks of their gameplay. Laura will share her thoughts on 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:37.839 the moves that may upset you in the Game of 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.720 Australian Survivor, but then you may respect as you join 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.360 the jury. I will dive deep into Laura's superpower, which 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.440 is how I describe it, being a witch, and what 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.120 we didn't see with some of her interactions with the 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.319 other castaways. You will get everything from Laura's take on 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.600 the Jungle Rat, how she bonded with Miles, and what 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.640 she really thinks is coming and what she thinks is 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.680 come up up in the next few weeks. There's actually 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.040 so much to talk about, with so many inside revelations, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.679 So guys sit back and relax as we unpack the 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.319 wonderful world of Australian Survivor, which is back this Sunday 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.240 night on Network ten. I have to say also, I 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.240 just loved the idea of the white Witch, like I 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.000 loved your theme, like your character build. As soon as 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.080 I heard about that. That was my pull through for 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:25.720 this season. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:26.360 Thank you. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.600 Did you approach the audition process by saying I am 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.120 a white Witch and this is what I'm going to 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.959 bring to the show, Like, how did that work? Yeah? 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.440 Yeah, in my audition video that's the first thing I said. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.360 But I'm a witch. I read taro, I read ours, 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.679 I read palms. I wanted to use a word that 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.240 would be a little bit polarizing, but also a word 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.880 that's been used against women for a really long time, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.880 a word that has a negative connotation against women that 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.560 I can like change the narrative, which is people that 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.880 just view the world a different way. But for women 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.760 in the past, that was here and it was used 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.400 against them. So I really wanted to change that kind 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.680 of narrative and also, yeah, do something a little bit 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.400 polarizing that could grab people's attention and have something that 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:11.320 someone could root for. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.280 There's something really powerful in reclaiming titles that have been 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.120 associated incorrectly for so long. You know. I noticed that 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.160 in Melbourne with Pofdorf. My mum from a different generation, 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.239 was like, no, that's a negative and I was like, no, Mum, 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.280 We've reclaimed that, you know, And I think that's something 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.160 that you were trying. That's what you're getting at Ryan. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.200 Oh, for sure. And it's so interesting. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.720 As soon as you know the cast got released, that 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.440 stigma came straight back and it's the first thing anybody 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.919 could say was, you know, all of these negative things 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.560 about being a witch and the negative connotations that had 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.839 in history are still very much alive today. And I 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.720 really like that I can change the narrative of what 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.280 a witch can look like, what a witch can sound like, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.040 and we're just people that view the world in a 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.440 really magical way. And yeah, I'm really proud to change 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.080 that and push that and hopefully someone can watch and go, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.040 maybe I'm a witch too, And all that means is 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.680 that you're interested in curious in the world around you 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:06.320 and how it works. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.440 You would have had to have been really happy with 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.960 your introduction, Like when they showed your bio video. I remember, 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:13.880 you know, the storyline was happening, and then it was like, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.680 you know, I'm a white witch and just I don't know. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.120 I was like, yes, queen, like yeah, so here for this. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:21.360 Thank you. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.160 I was really scared that I would come across kookie 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.200 and that I'll come across kind of crazy. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.840 But I loved that actually my reads. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.160 Were making other people look cookie and crazy because the 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.360 way that they presented it was like, this is the 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.600 right kind of intuition, and my reads on people were accurate, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.800 and so I really liked the way the story was 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.360 told was that my intuition was true and it was 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:45.880 I wasn't cookie and I wasn't crazy. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:47.960 You know, I kind of wanted it. I kind of 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.800 felt like it was going to be used more. I 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.400 mean sort of see your intuition working well and you 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.480 were on the money when it came to reading some 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.360 people's personalities. Did you think it was going to be 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.640 shown more on the show, like what was happening in 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.360 Fiji at the time, were you still doing what you 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.160 were doing in the original episodes where you were reading 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.280 people and a bit more. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.000 I was, yes, I did lots of like palm readings 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.760 and or readings for people. I talked about it kind 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.440 of enough, and when I found the information that I 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.880 eventually told Zara, you know, I was talking about my manifesting. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.920 I constantly was talking about my reads of people. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.000 But I understood for the story how it presented the 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.440 character and then grew and I wasn't always this heart led, 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.760 intuition based person. That I could show my strategy mind 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.720 and I could show how I really wanted to play 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.760 with the game. So I was really happy with how 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.119 my intuition was shown on the show. It was shown 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.919 and then it was acknowledged and it was understood, and 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:46.600 then I could grow. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.720 You were put into a bit of a bind though 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.599 a couple of times, and Zara's name is linked to that. 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.880 It's funny that you're talking about an intuition, because you 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.479 might have trusted her a little bit more than you 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.400 should have. But the thing that really surprised me about 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.279 your personality was that you did trust your instinct that 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.560 you thought you could bond with this woman she let 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.520 you down time and time again. But yet instead of 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.560 throwing the you know, the toys out of the cot, 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.000 we watched you, almost in real time, try and process 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:17.359 your own emotions and not let this whole thing undo 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.160 your game. I thought that was really interesting to watch. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:20.720 Thank you. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.120 Zara and I have a great relationship. We get along 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.000 so well, and on Brain's two point zero, we were 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:28.760 not joking when we said the bronze weren't talking to 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.240 us for a good amount of time, like it was 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.520 just Zara and I in the shelter talking for days. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.800 And I feel like I really got to know her. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.720 And what I didn't anticipate when I told her the 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.039 information was that she would have. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.680 The same reaction that I had, which was get me 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:44.800 off here. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.480 Self preservation just kicked in and we both just were 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.680 doing everything we could to get out of there. And 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.400 she's a lawyer. She just did a better job at 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.240 pitching her case. She has a law degree. Sorry, and 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.320 I think that I should have realized that she was 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.560 going to have the same instinct that I did, but 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.479 I saw her more as the level headed one between us, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.000 so I thought that we'd be able to talk it through. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.800 But in that moment, I was just thinking about myself. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.680 I was just thinking about self preservation and so was she. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.080 So we just it was a bad roil between us 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.880 that she definitely won. I think that my reads of 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.760 Zara were accurate to a point, and then it got 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.120 to it then depended on what she wanted to move 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.440 forward with. I think that she did want to work 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.359 with me, but I didn't know at the time she 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.400 had other options as well. So you only know what 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:41.839 you know in the moment. I know the person in 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.800 front of me, but I don't know the connections that 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:44.240 they have. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:45.320 If that makes. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.640 Sense, it makes sense. The only thing was that I 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.159 was curious about how when did a dawn on you 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.640 that you were going to be blindsided? Because I mean, 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.520 you were blindsided. I don't know if the audience felt 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.320 like you were blindsided, but yeah, you definitely. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.760 I was absolutely blindsided. I think the plan on Logan 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.159 and I had been in works for a lot longer 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.120 than what was shown. Clearly, we were this big target 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.680 duo all the way from the beginning of Tribe Swap. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.760 The plan sorry, it had been on us for a 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.400 really long time, and so the narrative that was constantly 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.280 pushed to me was that they wanted to get rid 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.040 of AJ and Miles, and then Miles did that crazy thing, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.920 and this is just adding to the wanting to get 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.840 rid of Aj and Miles. So I think if I 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.680 clocked on way too late because it started two weeks beforehand, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.160 three weeks beforehand, sure that that was all that. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:33.880 Was being fed to me. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.240 You can see in my brain last night, I'm trying 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:38.720 to count the numbers, trying to figure out have I 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.760 done enough not to be the split? Can I can't 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.320 now convince Logan out of playing her idol? Can I 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:44.120 convince her to play it? 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:44.400 For me? 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.920 I was well and truly blindsided. And that's the props 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.080 to the people around me for not only lying to 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.120 me in the scramble in the moment, but for three 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:53.960 weeks beforehand. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.680 It does make me wonder whether or not Logan would 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.600 be next to our list, or is she going to 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.600 go after another duo? You know what I mean? Like 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.160 I feel like she's on a wall path to separate 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.880 people who almost think that there'd be damage left behind 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.400 with Logan. Hmm, so maybe it's best to just nip 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.080 her next. What would you foresee happening? 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.160 As soon as I left, I thought, Okay, I think 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.520 the Logan needs to join the bottom of another duo 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.520 and become a desperate number for another duo because she's 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.800 lost her number and now everybody else is outnumbered. There 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.720 are all two votes and she's now one. So I 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.800 think she needs to do a poorly and plead to 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.880 another duo to become the bottom of that group. That's 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.520 what my instinct would tell me that she would probably do. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.240 Self preservation, got to do something, and I hope that 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.199 she can find a way to become a desperate number 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:44.880 for somebody else. 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.840 That's what I would do. If Logan had left and I. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.440 Had stayed, I probably would have tried to plead my 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.560 case to someone saved me the way that you know 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:55.760 Mile saved Paulie, and. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.559 Use me, you know, before I move away from the 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:03.120 tribal council completely. The comments online about you not acknowledging 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.240 the people as you walk past, a lot of people 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.319 thought that that was a choice. Do you regret that, 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.760 you know? Do you regret walking past them? Because I 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.000 felt like you picked up the pace within steps, like 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.840 you might have walked past them, but by the time 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.360 you had your torch I could see you had some 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.040 kindness and understanding about what had happened, But what's it 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:23.600 like for you to watch something like that? 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.760 I think in the moment, I was just well and 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.280 truly blindsided. And you can see me looking left and right, 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.560 trying to talk to my allies, so my so called 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.400 allies as to who they voted for, and I really 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.520 I didn't understand how that had happened. So I was 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.319 I was angry, I was annoyed, and I don't regret 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.120 not hugging each and every single one of them because 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.560 I didn't want to. In the moment, they just burnt me. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.760 I hugged Logan clearly because you know we're together, but 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.280 I turned around, I say, have fun, guys. I know 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.640 that I'm going to be on that jury bench the 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.360 next tribal council. I know that I'm going to see 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.960 them again, and I'll have another opportunity to talk to 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.800 them all eventually. So no, I don't regret not hugging 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.199 off of them. I wanted to send a message that 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.040 you've just pissed off. You know, the first jur are 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:08.640 so you better provide a show. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.920 I will turned around because you know JLP announced that 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.880 you were the first person you know, on the on 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.880 the jury, and I was like, I said to my partner, 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.800 did he just say that she's the first person? I 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.640 was like yes. I was like so excited about you 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.880 being there because I felt like, if anyone in this 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:27.200 season has enough information to really size up what everyone 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.240 else has been doing on this chaotic season, it is you. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.800 You know, you have been burnt by people, but you're 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.439 also a rational thinker. I felt like I could guarantee 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.720 myself that I knew that when you go to tribal council, 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.880 you would be a fair person to put together the facts. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.280 Yes, I'm a very understanding person. I understood in the 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.040 moment why Kuren told Logan to play a idol. It 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.280 made total sense to me. It made total sense to 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.600 me why Zara did what she did. It all makes 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.920 logical sense, even if it doesn't benefit me. So I 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:56.880 was so proud to be the first member of the 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.600 jury and to make sure that everybody that comes in 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.960 after me isn't going to vote for the soul survivor 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.680 in the end with any bias or anything that you 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.160 know they've done to them in the game. This is 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.360 a game, and I Love Survivor. So I was so 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.440 proud to be the first member of the jury and 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.600 to really be able to spearhead. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.520 The vote in the end of who wins Soul Survivor. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.480 I like idea, if you're moving, welcoming everyone, you know, 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.080 you get to be controlling a narrative, and the person 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.840 who makes it first does get the opportunity to one 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:30.240 by one collect everyone yes and control a narrative. If 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.800 you're smart, is it fair to say that the things 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.880 that you probably frustrate you and eliminate you from the 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.880 show by the time you get to the jury become 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:40.520 the things that you have to then celebrate. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.520 Of course, of course. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.920 Being blindsided is a great way to go out, but 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.800 it also allows me to understand that this is a 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.680 game and that everything that happens in it is going 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.320 is leading up to, you know, a final Soul Survivor. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.440 It's all the things that happen to you are the 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.120 things that make somebody else's game great, you know, And 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.959 we have to understand. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.280 As a jury that it actually. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.920 Has nothing to do with us, and this is all 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.360 a narrative that someone's going to say back that they 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.240 were able to get me out, that my name is 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.440 on their resume, and I have to separate my emotional 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.880 feelings from that to understand that that's a really good move, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.560 that that's a good move for them, and if they 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.400 can explain it back to me as to why it's 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.520 a good move for them, then they have my boat. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.200 I don't know if I can get you on speed, 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.360 my friend, but I could deal with you in my life, 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.080 like I think, I saw it on the show and 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.040 I see it in you now. I think that you 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.880 have a really strong understanding of people, but I think 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:43.119 you have a malleable way of understanding your own emotions 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.120 as well, And that's highly intelligent behavior and would be 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.319 super amazing to have for your friends. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.120 Thank you. I really appreciate that. That's really really kind 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:53.160 I go. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.840 Into every interaction, every friendship with the best intentions and 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.200 always trying to support the people around me, So I 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.000 really appreciate that that you can see that that that 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.920 got represented. That's really kind of you to say thank you. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.320 Do you think that Logan and Zara a little bit 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.679 too feisty this season? There's that kind of feeling that 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:13.400 those two are probably surviving because of that feisty nature, 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.559 but some people have come on the exit interviews and 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.600 said that Logan can be quite difficult and if she 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.160 didn't like you, she really didn't like you. And I 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.000 think some people have sort of alluded to the same 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.080 thing that Zara, What is your read on those two girls. 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:30.440 I think that being a woman playing Survivor is a 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:35.199 really interesting thing because you can be strong and you 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.280 can be opinionated, but that doesn't as a fan, that 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.520 can be seen as feisty, and that can be seen 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.760 as mean, and we are just doing our best. We 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.920 all have one goal out there and that self preservation. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.800 That is to get to the end. And it's their 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.400 strong mentality has gotten them where they are right now, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:56.800 which is just further. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.840 In the game than you know, everybody else, so I think. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.800 But however they are. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.120 Trying to survive is working for them. There's such a 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.600 negative connotation to the word feisty. I love feisty women. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.920 I love strong women. I love bossy women because they 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.280 know exactly what they want. There's a difference between being 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.400 bossy and being a dickhead. And I think that I 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.800 love women who are not afraid to go after what 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.800 they want. And if there's any place in the whole world, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.560 to be feisty, to be opinionated. It's playing this game 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.119 now is when they are allowed to voice their opinions, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.240 when they're allowed to say that they're not happy with something, 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.920 because it's their game. This is five hundred dollars at 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:39.800 the end, and they can do whatever they want to 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.720 get there. And I respect wholeheartedly the way that they 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.240 both are playing. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.440 Five hundred thousand dollars. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:48.080 What did I say? 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:49.480 I think you said five hundred dollars. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:50.760 Five hundred thousand dollars. 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.200 But yeah, imagine playing this game four five hundred dollars. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.760 Do you think people? Absolutely not. You know that this 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.200 season is quite messy, and I would say this is 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.120 one of the messyc since we've seen in a while. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.960 Even watching the show last night, I was thinking to myself, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.560 I didn't even know who I'm going for anymore. I 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.600 don't even know who the who is winning anymore. I'm like, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.880 everyone's a hot mess except for Miles, and he's a 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.240 bit He could be a little bit unlikable at times. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.040 Sure, I think this season is coming across a little 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.080 bit messy because we all have very deep and rich 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:26.040 connections to each other. I think that this cast has 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.320 bonded so well and so from what I've heard, more 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.360 than other casts, and I think that we all just 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.400 have really great connections to each other in bizarre, weird ways. 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.640 How Aj and Kate are such great friends is fascinating 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.200 to me, and we kind of Zara and I we're 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:44.920 quite close. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:51.120 So I think that these really phenomenal, bizarre relationships can't 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.280 get shown in you know, three episodes a week, So 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.680 it's coming across as people are working with random people, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.920 but you're not seeing that three hour conversation where they've 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:00.920 for life. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.960 And I think that we are very close as a cast, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.960 and that's now coming across as everyone's working with everyone 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.720 and no one really knows what they're working with because 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.600 at the time, we had such special connections to each 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.920 and every person that there were many paths forward for 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:16.800 a lot of people. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.520 It does seem like for me, it's shaping up for 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.320 a season about the Jungle Rat. How is it that 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.200 someone who could be so I don't know what the 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.480 right word is for it, but like so obviously villainous 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.800 and so obviously in control of their game and maybe 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.240 a little bit smarter than everyone. Why is that person 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:34.480 still in the game, as. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.480 Miles says, well, well the jungle rat does is the 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.680 jungle rat survives. I think that that's funny that you 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.600 say that, because Miles's name has been written down more 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:48.120 than anybody else in this entire season so far. I 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.280 think that he has the jungle rats found a way 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.600 to kind of scurry through, to always push a bigger 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.720 target in front of himself. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.280 That's worked for him up until now. I think that. 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:05.240 He he's formed connections with everybody in different ways as 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:06.439 a malleable number. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.800 People did for him what he did for Pauli, which is. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.320 Recognized that he is a number that people can use, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.960 and he's just done a good job of always being. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.879 So far on the bottom that is no longer a threat. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.399 Is he someone that you would be friends within the 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:23.000 real world? 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.960 I adore Miles and we have hung out a lot. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.000 He is. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.040 What we have in common is our love for survivor. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:36.000 We talk about survivor constantly. I love the way that 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.080 he thinks about the world, which is from a hyperlogical place, 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.159 which I don't always and so I rely on friends 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.640 like him to remind me that we're on this big, 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:47.280 floating rock. 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.440 And yeah, He's a great person. 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.720 Someone I never ever would have met outside of this game, 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.840 but someone that is very a great friend. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:55.359 I just want to ask you, because you're such a 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.000 Survivor fan, who's your favorite strand Survivor player. That's a 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.520 really good question, you know, Like from a Survivor fan 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.040 to another, I'm like, I just want to know. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.480 Myles and I really bonded over our love for Eden 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.439 from Titans Versus Rebels. We thought that he played the 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.359 game in a similar way that we wanted to, which 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:15.280 was hyperlogical but also with a lot of varying social tactics. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.159 I really adore Eden as a player. I think that 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.320 he was gone before his time and he could have 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.720 done extremely well who else. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.920