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Speaker 1: for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Laura, the
Speaker 1: latest eliminated Australian Survivor player, who I'm going to say
Speaker 1: I have been, I had been, I should say, really
Speaker 1: enjoying the season. The fifth week of the competition, we
Speaker 1: saw another Original Brains player being booted, and we're going
Speaker 1: to get some hot takes on Laura's blindside and also
Speaker 1: talk about this week's tribal councils. Laura will talk about
Speaker 1: her relationship with Sarah and Logan and what she really
Speaker 1: thinks of their gameplay. Laura will share her thoughts on
Speaker 1: the moves that may upset you in the Game of
Speaker 1: Australian Survivor, but then you may respect as you join
Speaker 1: the jury. I will dive deep into Laura's superpower, which
Speaker 1: is how I describe it, being a witch, and what
Speaker 1: we didn't see with some of her interactions with the
Speaker 1: other castaways. You will get everything from Laura's take on
Speaker 1: the Jungle Rat, how she bonded with Miles, and what
Speaker 1: she really thinks is coming and what she thinks is
Speaker 1: come up up in the next few weeks. There's actually
Speaker 1: so much to talk about, with so many inside revelations,
Speaker 1: So guys sit back and relax as we unpack the
Speaker 1: wonderful world of Australian Survivor, which is back this Sunday
Speaker 1: night on Network ten. I have to say also, I
Speaker 1: just loved the idea of the white Witch, like I
Speaker 1: loved your theme, like your character build. As soon as
Speaker 1: I heard about that. That was my pull through for
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Did you approach the audition process by saying I am
Speaker 1: a white Witch and this is what I'm going to
Speaker 1: bring to the show, Like, how did that work? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, in my audition video that's the first thing I said.
Speaker 3: But I'm a witch. I read taro, I read ours,
Speaker 3: I read palms. I wanted to use a word that
Speaker 3: would be a little bit polarizing, but also a word
Speaker 3: that's been used against women for a really long time,
Speaker 3: a word that has a negative connotation against women that
Speaker 3: I can like change the narrative, which is people that
Speaker 3: just view the world a different way. But for women
Speaker 3: in the past, that was here and it was used
Speaker 3: against them. So I really wanted to change that kind
Speaker 3: of narrative and also, yeah, do something a little bit
Speaker 3: polarizing that could grab people's attention and have something that
Speaker 3: someone could root for.
Speaker 1: There's something really powerful in reclaiming titles that have been
Speaker 1: associated incorrectly for so long. You know. I noticed that
Speaker 1: in Melbourne with Pofdorf. My mum from a different generation,
Speaker 1: was like, no, that's a negative and I was like, no, Mum,
Speaker 1: We've reclaimed that, you know, And I think that's something
Speaker 1: that you were trying. That's what you're getting at Ryan.
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. And it's so interesting.
Speaker 3: As soon as you know the cast got released, that
Speaker 3: stigma came straight back and it's the first thing anybody
Speaker 3: could say was, you know, all of these negative things
Speaker 3: about being a witch and the negative connotations that had
Speaker 3: in history are still very much alive today. And I
Speaker 3: really like that I can change the narrative of what
Speaker 3: a witch can look like, what a witch can sound like,
Speaker 3: and we're just people that view the world in a
Speaker 3: really magical way. And yeah, I'm really proud to change
Speaker 3: that and push that and hopefully someone can watch and go,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm a witch too, And all that means is
Speaker 3: that you're interested in curious in the world around you
Speaker 3: and how it works.
Speaker 1: You would have had to have been really happy with
Speaker 1: your introduction, Like when they showed your bio video. I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, the storyline was happening, and then it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a white witch and just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, queen, like yeah, so here for this.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I was really scared that I would come across kookie
Speaker 3: and that I'll come across kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: But I loved that actually my reads.
Speaker 3: Were making other people look cookie and crazy because the
Speaker 3: way that they presented it was like, this is the
Speaker 3: right kind of intuition, and my reads on people were accurate,
Speaker 3: and so I really liked the way the story was
Speaker 3: told was that my intuition was true and it was
Speaker 3: I wasn't cookie and I wasn't crazy.
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of wanted it. I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like it was going to be used more. I
Speaker 1: mean sort of see your intuition working well and you
Speaker 1: were on the money when it came to reading some
Speaker 1: people's personalities. Did you think it was going to be
Speaker 1: shown more on the show, like what was happening in
Speaker 1: Fiji at the time, were you still doing what you
Speaker 1: were doing in the original episodes where you were reading
Speaker 1: people and a bit more.
Speaker 3: I was, yes, I did lots of like palm readings
Speaker 3: and or readings for people. I talked about it kind
Speaker 3: of enough, and when I found the information that I
Speaker 3: eventually told Zara, you know, I was talking about my manifesting.
Speaker 2: I constantly was talking about my reads of people.
Speaker 3: But I understood for the story how it presented the
Speaker 3: character and then grew and I wasn't always this heart led,
Speaker 3: intuition based person. That I could show my strategy mind
Speaker 3: and I could show how I really wanted to play
Speaker 3: with the game. So I was really happy with how
Speaker 3: my intuition was shown on the show. It was shown
Speaker 3: and then it was acknowledged and it was understood, and
Speaker 3: then I could grow.
Speaker 1: You were put into a bit of a bind though
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and Zara's name is linked to that.
Speaker 1: It's funny that you're talking about an intuition, because you
Speaker 1: might have trusted her a little bit more than you
Speaker 1: should have. But the thing that really surprised me about
Speaker 1: your personality was that you did trust your instinct that
Speaker 1: you thought you could bond with this woman she let
Speaker 1: you down time and time again. But yet instead of
Speaker 1: throwing the you know, the toys out of the cot,
Speaker 1: we watched you, almost in real time, try and process
Speaker 1: your own emotions and not let this whole thing undo
Speaker 1: your game. I thought that was really interesting to watch.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Zara and I have a great relationship. We get along
Speaker 3: so well, and on Brain's two point zero, we were
Speaker 3: not joking when we said the bronze weren't talking to
Speaker 3: us for a good amount of time, like it was
Speaker 3: just Zara and I in the shelter talking for days.
Speaker 3: And I feel like I really got to know her.
Speaker 3: And what I didn't anticipate when I told her the
Speaker 3: information was that she would have.
Speaker 2: The same reaction that I had, which was get me
Speaker 2: off here.
Speaker 3: Self preservation just kicked in and we both just were
Speaker 3: doing everything we could to get out of there. And
Speaker 3: she's a lawyer. She just did a better job at
Speaker 3: pitching her case. She has a law degree. Sorry, and
Speaker 3: I think that I should have realized that she was
Speaker 3: going to have the same instinct that I did, but
Speaker 3: I saw her more as the level headed one between us,
Speaker 3: so I thought that we'd be able to talk it through.
Speaker 3: But in that moment, I was just thinking about myself.
Speaker 3: I was just thinking about self preservation and so was she.
Speaker 3: So we just it was a bad roil between us
Speaker 3: that she definitely won. I think that my reads of
Speaker 3: Zara were accurate to a point, and then it got
Speaker 3: to it then depended on what she wanted to move
Speaker 3: forward with. I think that she did want to work
Speaker 3: with me, but I didn't know at the time she
Speaker 3: had other options as well. So you only know what
Speaker 3: you know in the moment. I know the person in
Speaker 3: front of me, but I don't know the connections that
Speaker 3: they have.
Speaker 2: If that makes.
Speaker 1: Sense, it makes sense. The only thing was that I
Speaker 1: was curious about how when did a dawn on you
Speaker 1: that you were going to be blindsided? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: you were blindsided. I don't know if the audience felt
Speaker 1: like you were blindsided, but yeah, you definitely.
Speaker 3: I was absolutely blindsided. I think the plan on Logan
Speaker 3: and I had been in works for a lot longer
Speaker 3: than what was shown. Clearly, we were this big target
Speaker 3: duo all the way from the beginning of Tribe Swap.
Speaker 3: The plan sorry, it had been on us for a
Speaker 3: really long time, and so the narrative that was constantly
Speaker 3: pushed to me was that they wanted to get rid
Speaker 3: of AJ and Miles, and then Miles did that crazy thing,
Speaker 3: and this is just adding to the wanting to get
Speaker 3: rid of Aj and Miles. So I think if I
Speaker 3: clocked on way too late because it started two weeks beforehand,
Speaker 3: three weeks beforehand, sure that that was all that.
Speaker 2: Was being fed to me.
Speaker 3: You can see in my brain last night, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to count the numbers, trying to figure out have I
Speaker 3: done enough not to be the split? Can I can't
Speaker 3: now convince Logan out of playing her idol? Can I
Speaker 3: convince her to play it?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 3: I was well and truly blindsided. And that's the props
Speaker 3: to the people around me for not only lying to
Speaker 3: me in the scramble in the moment, but for three
Speaker 3: weeks beforehand.
Speaker 1: It does make me wonder whether or not Logan would
Speaker 1: be next to our list, or is she going to
Speaker 1: go after another duo? You know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: I feel like she's on a wall path to separate
Speaker 1: people who almost think that there'd be damage left behind
Speaker 1: with Logan. Hmm, so maybe it's best to just nip
Speaker 1: her next. What would you foresee happening?
Speaker 3: As soon as I left, I thought, Okay, I think
Speaker 3: the Logan needs to join the bottom of another duo
Speaker 3: and become a desperate number for another duo because she's
Speaker 3: lost her number and now everybody else is outnumbered. There
Speaker 3: are all two votes and she's now one. So I
Speaker 3: think she needs to do a poorly and plead to
Speaker 3: another duo to become the bottom of that group. That's
Speaker 3: what my instinct would tell me that she would probably do.
Speaker 3: Self preservation, got to do something, and I hope that
Speaker 3: she can find a way to become a desperate number
Speaker 3: for somebody else.
Speaker 2: That's what I would do. If Logan had left and I.
Speaker 3: Had stayed, I probably would have tried to plead my
Speaker 3: case to someone saved me the way that you know
Speaker 3: Mile saved Paulie, and.
Speaker 1: Use me, you know, before I move away from the
Speaker 1: tribal council completely. The comments online about you not acknowledging
Speaker 1: the people as you walk past, a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought that that was a choice. Do you regret that,
Speaker 1: you know? Do you regret walking past them? Because I
Speaker 1: felt like you picked up the pace within steps, like
Speaker 1: you might have walked past them, but by the time
Speaker 1: you had your torch I could see you had some
Speaker 1: kindness and understanding about what had happened, But what's it
Speaker 1: like for you to watch something like that?
Speaker 3: I think in the moment, I was just well and
Speaker 3: truly blindsided. And you can see me looking left and right,
Speaker 3: trying to talk to my allies, so my so called
Speaker 3: allies as to who they voted for, and I really
Speaker 3: I didn't understand how that had happened. So I was
Speaker 3: I was angry, I was annoyed, and I don't regret
Speaker 3: not hugging each and every single one of them because
Speaker 3: I didn't want to. In the moment, they just burnt me.
Speaker 3: I hugged Logan clearly because you know we're together, but
Speaker 3: I turned around, I say, have fun, guys. I know
Speaker 3: that I'm going to be on that jury bench the
Speaker 3: next tribal council. I know that I'm going to see
Speaker 3: them again, and I'll have another opportunity to talk to
Speaker 3: them all eventually. So no, I don't regret not hugging
Speaker 3: off of them. I wanted to send a message that
Speaker 3: you've just pissed off. You know, the first jur are
Speaker 3: so you better provide a show.
Speaker 1: I will turned around because you know JLP announced that
Speaker 1: you were the first person you know, on the on
Speaker 1: the jury, and I was like, I said to my partner,
Speaker 1: did he just say that she's the first person? I
Speaker 1: was like yes. I was like so excited about you
Speaker 1: being there because I felt like, if anyone in this
Speaker 1: season has enough information to really size up what everyone
Speaker 1: else has been doing on this chaotic season, it is you.
Speaker 1: You know, you have been burnt by people, but you're
Speaker 1: also a rational thinker. I felt like I could guarantee
Speaker 1: myself that I knew that when you go to tribal council,
Speaker 1: you would be a fair person to put together the facts.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a very understanding person. I understood in the
Speaker 3: moment why Kuren told Logan to play a idol. It
Speaker 3: made total sense to me. It made total sense to
Speaker 3: me why Zara did what she did. It all makes
Speaker 3: logical sense, even if it doesn't benefit me. So I
Speaker 3: was so proud to be the first member of the
Speaker 3: jury and to make sure that everybody that comes in
Speaker 3: after me isn't going to vote for the soul survivor
Speaker 3: in the end with any bias or anything that you
Speaker 3: know they've done to them in the game. This is
Speaker 3: a game, and I Love Survivor. So I was so
Speaker 3: proud to be the first member of the jury and
Speaker 3: to really be able to spearhead.
Speaker 2: The vote in the end of who wins Soul Survivor.
Speaker 1: I like idea, if you're moving, welcoming everyone, you know,
Speaker 1: you get to be controlling a narrative, and the person
Speaker 1: who makes it first does get the opportunity to one
Speaker 1: by one collect everyone yes and control a narrative. If
Speaker 1: you're smart, is it fair to say that the things
Speaker 1: that you probably frustrate you and eliminate you from the
Speaker 1: show by the time you get to the jury become
Speaker 1: the things that you have to then celebrate.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course.
Speaker 3: Being blindsided is a great way to go out, but
Speaker 3: it also allows me to understand that this is a
Speaker 3: game and that everything that happens in it is going
Speaker 3: is leading up to, you know, a final Soul Survivor.
Speaker 3: It's all the things that happen to you are the
Speaker 3: things that make somebody else's game great, you know, And
Speaker 3: we have to understand.
Speaker 2: As a jury that it actually.
Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with us, and this is all
Speaker 3: a narrative that someone's going to say back that they
Speaker 3: were able to get me out, that my name is
Speaker 3: on their resume, and I have to separate my emotional
Speaker 3: feelings from that to understand that that's a really good move,
Speaker 3: that that's a good move for them, and if they
Speaker 3: can explain it back to me as to why it's
Speaker 3: a good move for them, then they have my boat.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can get you on speed,
Speaker 1: my friend, but I could deal with you in my life,
Speaker 1: like I think, I saw it on the show and
Speaker 1: I see it in you now. I think that you
Speaker 1: have a really strong understanding of people, but I think
Speaker 1: you have a malleable way of understanding your own emotions
Speaker 1: as well, And that's highly intelligent behavior and would be
Speaker 1: super amazing to have for your friends.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I really appreciate that. That's really really kind
Speaker 2: I go.
Speaker 3: Into every interaction, every friendship with the best intentions and
Speaker 3: always trying to support the people around me, So I
Speaker 3: really appreciate that that you can see that that that
Speaker 3: got represented. That's really kind of you to say thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Logan and Zara a little bit
Speaker 1: too feisty this season? There's that kind of feeling that
Speaker 1: those two are probably surviving because of that feisty nature,
Speaker 1: but some people have come on the exit interviews and
Speaker 1: said that Logan can be quite difficult and if she
Speaker 1: didn't like you, she really didn't like you. And I
Speaker 1: think some people have sort of alluded to the same
Speaker 1: thing that Zara, What is your read on those two girls.
Speaker 3: I think that being a woman playing Survivor is a
Speaker 3: really interesting thing because you can be strong and you
Speaker 3: can be opinionated, but that doesn't as a fan, that
Speaker 3: can be seen as feisty, and that can be seen
Speaker 3: as mean, and we are just doing our best. We
Speaker 3: all have one goal out there and that self preservation.
Speaker 3: That is to get to the end. And it's their
Speaker 3: strong mentality has gotten them where they are right now,
Speaker 3: which is just further.
Speaker 2: In the game than you know, everybody else, so I think.
Speaker 2: But however they are.
Speaker 3: Trying to survive is working for them. There's such a
Speaker 3: negative connotation to the word feisty. I love feisty women.
Speaker 3: I love strong women. I love bossy women because they
Speaker 3: know exactly what they want. There's a difference between being
Speaker 3: bossy and being a dickhead. And I think that I
Speaker 3: love women who are not afraid to go after what
Speaker 3: they want. And if there's any place in the whole world,
Speaker 3: to be feisty, to be opinionated. It's playing this game
Speaker 3: now is when they are allowed to voice their opinions,
Speaker 3: when they're allowed to say that they're not happy with something,
Speaker 3: because it's their game. This is five hundred dollars at
Speaker 3: the end, and they can do whatever they want to
Speaker 3: get there. And I respect wholeheartedly the way that they
Speaker 3: both are playing.
Speaker 1: Five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: What did I say?
Speaker 1: I think you said five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: But yeah, imagine playing this game four five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Do you think people? Absolutely not. You know that this
Speaker 1: season is quite messy, and I would say this is
Speaker 1: one of the messyc since we've seen in a while.
Speaker 1: Even watching the show last night, I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know who I'm going for anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't even know who the who is winning anymore. I'm like,
Speaker 1: everyone's a hot mess except for Miles, and he's a
Speaker 1: bit He could be a little bit unlikable at times.
Speaker 3: Sure, I think this season is coming across a little
Speaker 3: bit messy because we all have very deep and rich
Speaker 3: connections to each other. I think that this cast has
Speaker 3: bonded so well and so from what I've heard, more
Speaker 3: than other casts, and I think that we all just
Speaker 3: have really great connections to each other in bizarre, weird ways.
Speaker 3: How Aj and Kate are such great friends is fascinating
Speaker 3: to me, and we kind of Zara and I we're
Speaker 3: quite close.
Speaker 2: So I think that these really phenomenal, bizarre relationships can't
Speaker 2: get shown in you know, three episodes a week, So
Speaker 2: it's coming across as people are working with random people,
Speaker 2: but you're not seeing that three hour conversation where they've
Speaker 2: for life.
Speaker 3: And I think that we are very close as a cast,
Speaker 3: and that's now coming across as everyone's working with everyone
Speaker 3: and no one really knows what they're working with because
Speaker 3: at the time, we had such special connections to each
Speaker 3: and every person that there were many paths forward for
Speaker 3: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It does seem like for me, it's shaping up for
Speaker 1: a season about the Jungle Rat. How is it that
Speaker 1: someone who could be so I don't know what the
Speaker 1: right word is for it, but like so obviously villainous
Speaker 1: and so obviously in control of their game and maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit smarter than everyone. Why is that person
Speaker 1: still in the game, as.
Speaker 3: Miles says, well, well the jungle rat does is the
Speaker 3: jungle rat survives. I think that that's funny that you
Speaker 3: say that, because Miles's name has been written down more
Speaker 3: than anybody else in this entire season so far. I
Speaker 3: think that he has the jungle rats found a way
Speaker 3: to kind of scurry through, to always push a bigger
Speaker 3: target in front of himself.
Speaker 2: That's worked for him up until now. I think that.
Speaker 3: He he's formed connections with everybody in different ways as
Speaker 3: a malleable number.
Speaker 2: People did for him what he did for Pauli, which is.
Speaker 3: Recognized that he is a number that people can use,
Speaker 3: and he's just done a good job of always being.
Speaker 2: So far on the bottom that is no longer a threat.
Speaker 1: Is he someone that you would be friends within the
Speaker 1: real world?
Speaker 3: I adore Miles and we have hung out a lot.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 3: What we have in common is our love for survivor.
Speaker 3: We talk about survivor constantly. I love the way that
Speaker 3: he thinks about the world, which is from a hyperlogical place,
Speaker 3: which I don't always and so I rely on friends
Speaker 3: like him to remind me that we're on this big,
Speaker 3: floating rock.
Speaker 2: And yeah, He's a great person.
Speaker 3: Someone I never ever would have met outside of this game,
Speaker 3: but someone that is very a great friend.
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you, because you're such a
Speaker 1: Survivor fan, who's your favorite strand Survivor player. That's a
Speaker 1: really good question, you know, Like from a Survivor fan
Speaker 1: to another, I'm like, I just want to know.
Speaker 3: Myles and I really bonded over our love for Eden
Speaker 3: from Titans Versus Rebels. We thought that he played the
Speaker 3: game in a similar way that we wanted to, which
Speaker 3: was hyperlogical but also with a lot of varying social tactics.
Speaker 3: I really adore Eden as a player. I think that
Speaker 3: he was gone before his time and he could have
Speaker 3: done extremely well who else.
Speaker 1: He's also a really lovely person in real life. I
Speaker 1: met him many times. I also loved his fan service
Speaker 1: of you know, the Gladiator references instead of rude to
Speaker 1: his movie, buff movie, something so intoxicating about his time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was true to who he was.
Speaker 3: He was an obvious fan out there and used it
Speaker 3: to his advantage. I think at every turn in Eden's game,
Speaker 3: he was doing the right thing, and that's a hard
Speaker 3: thing to say for any Survivor player. I don't know
Speaker 3: many other Survivor players that were always doing the right thing.
Speaker 3: Even Queen Hayley was voted out and got a chance
Speaker 3: to come back. So I think that Eden probably has
Speaker 3: played one of the best games in terms of always
Speaker 3: being on the right side of what was happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I no, I agree. You know, I'm running out
Speaker 1: of time and I wanted to do like just a
Speaker 1: couple just I will just ask one question to recoup
Speaker 1: the week, because we are talking about three episodes, so
Speaker 1: I get the luxury of talking to you about this
Speaker 1: week's episodes. You know, it's really interesting the way that
Speaker 1: PD left the series, because it looked to me it
Speaker 1: felt like he needed to go because of his accident,
Speaker 1: but somehow it was turned into a TV moment within
Speaker 1: that tribal council. What was your read on that? Did
Speaker 1: you think PD? They needed PD to go and they
Speaker 1: magically turned that into a TV I don't know, Like,
Speaker 1: what's your on his exit?
Speaker 3: I understand where that comes from. I throughout PD's name
Speaker 3: because he was positioned so well.
Speaker 2: All of the brawn two point zero.
Speaker 3: Brains in AJ, Karen, and Logan all wanted to work
Speaker 3: with Kristin and PD was Kristen's buddy, so without any work,
Speaker 3: PD came into a majority.
Speaker 2: He was absolutely so well positioned.
Speaker 3: All of the brain two point zeros in Morgan and
Speaker 3: Kate wanted and Jesse wanted to work with PD. He
Speaker 3: was so cushy and because of his injury, he wasn't
Speaker 3: a threat to anyone for winning any individual immunity. So
Speaker 3: he was the perfect person to take to the end
Speaker 3: because he couldn't win so like and I couldn't win
Speaker 3: any individual immunities. I mean, so I thought that he
Speaker 3: was a really good buddy to break up first, because
Speaker 3: he was playing a brilliant game. He was always on
Speaker 3: the right side of what was happening. He's really logical,
Speaker 3: and I wanted I threw out his name because he
Speaker 3: was very very well positioned. Kristin and PD were very
Speaker 3: very safe and cushy and always had all of the information.
Speaker 1: It did seem like he was going to be a
Speaker 1: boring exit, that's what all I could see. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to have to go because he's hurt himself,
Speaker 1: and then ended up being the best tribal council this season.
Speaker 1: I mean, from my opinion, I'm not saying it was
Speaker 1: the best tribal council. But it certainly was like a moment,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It was And in the moment, it was a moment
Speaker 2: or what is happening?
Speaker 3: And at the time as it was happening, it kind
Speaker 3: of didn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: But when we landed back on the beach, it made
Speaker 2: total sense to me.
Speaker 3: While why Miles would do that and save poorly because
Speaker 3: it made sense for Miles to get out PD for
Speaker 3: the same reasons it made sense for me to get
Speaker 3: out PD. Sure, and Miles just had the advantage to
Speaker 3: do it. I just didn't have the numbers. The reason
Speaker 3: I back down is because I didn't have the numbers.
Speaker 3: I didn't have that advantage. I mean, there were only
Speaker 3: three votes in the end on PD, so I didn't
Speaker 3: have the numbers to continue with that plan. But it
Speaker 3: made total sense to me why it happened like that.
Speaker 3: But god, it was shocking. He did not see that coming.
Speaker 3: And then when he said he could steal an idol,
Speaker 3: I went, oh, my god, are you going to take logans?
Speaker 3: Are you going to take logans?
Speaker 2: What's like?
Speaker 3: It was a whirlwind of an experience and shocking in
Speaker 3: the moment, I can promise you that I.
Speaker 1: Thought he should have taken Logans, like Logans was more hidden,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: made more sense to go for it. Maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: truly believe she had it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I think that in moment, you can see
Speaker 3: how easy it was to get a whole tribe against
Speaker 3: Logan and I it was no convincing, but it took
Speaker 3: a lot of convincing to get people onto PD, which
Speaker 3: shows just how well positioned PD was. So I understand
Speaker 3: why he took Christen's and went for PD instead of
Speaker 3: taking Logans, because as you can see, it was quite
Speaker 3: easy to take logans.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Before you go, the last question ask everyone is
Speaker 1: what is something from behind the scenes, something we might
Speaker 1: not have got a chance to see. And this is
Speaker 1: always a hard one because with a strain and survivor,
Speaker 1: we really don't want to give away anything, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, so I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: which tribal council for you in real time was the
Speaker 1: most challenging.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: Of course, when I told Zara my information and then
Speaker 3: we both had to picture as to why we wanted
Speaker 3: to go over to the other side. That was challenging
Speaker 3: on a personal level of you know, I don't think
Speaker 3: I can out talk.
Speaker 2: This amazing woman.
Speaker 3: I think that Also the tribal council where Max went home,
Speaker 3: I had fought all afternoon for Max to stick with
Speaker 3: the brains and he just didn't want to work with Miles.
Speaker 3: And if I had known about his idol, I know
Speaker 3: I could have sent one of the Brauns home on
Speaker 3: one vote. That was a really hard afternoon for me personally,
Speaker 3: because I was fighting so hard to keep myles in line,
Speaker 3: to get Zara to stick with me, to get Max
Speaker 3: not to flip to.
Speaker 2: The Braunze, to make sure my name didn't come up,
Speaker 2: which didn't.
Speaker 3: All three other Brains' names came up except for mine
Speaker 3: that afternoon, So I really that afternoon was full of work.
Speaker 3: I did not stop talking the entire time, trying to
Speaker 3: convince people. And if only they I'd known about Max's idol.
Speaker 3: That tribal council was shocking, and at that tribal council
Speaker 3: I realized just how in the firing line I could
Speaker 3: have been.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect Max to go.
Speaker 1: Home, No, I do, really, And what a disappointing thing
Speaker 1: for him to go home with these little Whilst you
Speaker 1: may not have won this series, much like Eden, I
Speaker 1: think you have slipped into a fan favorites category by
Speaker 1: being authentically yourself and being good television. I think you
Speaker 1: lived up to the idea of getting cast on Survivor
Speaker 1: and doing a good job, but also transcending to the audience.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a congratulations.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate that that's here, That's the real dream
Speaker 3: come true. That's all you can ask as a Survivor
Speaker 3: fan is that the other fans recognized that you did
Speaker 3: the best that you could.
Speaker 2: So thank you. I really appreciate that. That means a lot.
Speaker 1: You think you don't want to waste it if you
Speaker 1: get there, you know what, right, Yeah, may.
Speaker 3: As well make some good TV and may as well
Speaker 3: just do everything that you can go guns blazing.
Speaker 2: So thank you. I really appreciate that. That really means
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: I just never forget me screaming at my TV when
Speaker 1: you were doing the challenge and they you know, you
Speaker 1: just had this thing happen Mazzara and she yelled at off.
Speaker 1: So you've been telling everyone you know, and I was
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I said back to that, I said, no, they
Speaker 3: made their own opinions. They formed their own opinions on
Speaker 3: what happened last night. I didn't have to say anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: winning that pass start was that was a really cool moment.
Speaker 1: It was good TV. You enjoy chatting to the Survivor
Speaker 1: universe because I guarantee you they're all much like me,
Speaker 1: very excited to have a chance to talk to you today,
Speaker 1: and good luck with it.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, you're so so lovely to chat.
Speaker 1: That's really great. I'll tell my brother's partner Holly that
Speaker 1: I've spoken to you.
Speaker 2: Please please tell her to introduce yourself if she sees
Speaker 2: me down the streets.
Speaker 1: If you're walking down the street, amazing, look after yourself,
Speaker 1: Take care well.