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Speaker 1: Get a Peter Hally here. Welcome to You Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet the Movie podcast, where I chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't
Speaker 1: quite got around to watching until now. And today's guest
Speaker 1: actor writer Jackson Toza.
Speaker 2: Do you really think you have a chance against us?
Speaker 2: Mister cowboy, open the pod bay doors.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll have what she's having a right, You Ain't
Speaker 3: see Nothing here?
Speaker 1: Yes, Jackson Tosa returns and You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet.
Speaker 1: After his appearance in season four to cover of Course,
Speaker 1: one of the great sequels of all time. Jackson is
Speaker 1: a fantastic young actor who is one of the most
Speaker 1: in demand comedic actors around. At the moment, he just
Speaker 1: keeps racking up the credits, from Mister in Between, to
Speaker 1: the Newsreader, to Five Bedrooms and of course How to
Speaker 1: Stay Married Series and one, and his last short film,
Speaker 1: Hatchback with Our Great Steve Curry, has racked up the
Speaker 1: awards as well. Jackson is absolutely engaged and infused and
Speaker 1: locked into the craft of acting. He's gonna have a
Speaker 1: very long, long career ahead of him. I look forward
Speaker 1: to watching what he does, but at the moment, he's
Speaker 1: here with me. His three favorite films in the episode
Speaker 1: in season four were Kill Bill, Austin Powers, and The Impossible.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out what his next three
Speaker 1: favorite films are.
Speaker 4: Get a My Name is Steel, Jackson Tozer and my
Speaker 4: next three favorite films are Walk Hard, The Dewey Cock Story.
Speaker 5: That Poets Machetes, the.
Speaker 4: Prestige, Alvin and the Chipmunks, to the Squad and the Castle.
Speaker 4: And up until two hours after we finished our last podcast,
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen Tea to Judgment.
Speaker 1: Day ninety ninety one's Terminator to Judgment Day is set
Speaker 1: in ninety ninety five, eleven years after nine to eighty
Speaker 1: four's The Terminator, and as it's comfortably alongside The Godfather,
Speaker 1: Parts two and Ampios, strikes back as sequels that outdo
Speaker 1: their predecessors. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator has been reprogrammed and sent
Speaker 1: from the future to this time protect future resistance leader
Speaker 1: John Connor played by Edward Furlong in his film debut,
Speaker 1: who's living with his foster parents while his mother, Sarah Connor,
Speaker 1: played by an absolutely ripped Linda Hamilton, is in a
Speaker 1: cell in a mental hospital under twenty four to seven supervision.
Speaker 1: Also coming from the same future, but with aim, but
Speaker 1: with the aim of a fascinating John Connor, is the
Speaker 1: upgraded Terminator model, the T one thousand, a shape shifting
Speaker 1: vessel made from liquid metal, played by Robert Patrick, one
Speaker 1: of the most formidable villains in movie history. Add to
Speaker 1: this some more comedic touches Arnie being more comfortable in
Speaker 1: his own skin and the white hot at the time
Speaker 1: guns n' roses. Adding to the soundtrack Terminator Too, Judgment
Speaker 1: Day is super fun and super charged YEP. James Cameron
Speaker 1: does it again, Jackson Toza, were you disappointed at the
Speaker 1: complete absence of Terminator Wang in this film?
Speaker 4: Could not have been more disappointed for the lack of
Speaker 4: Arnie Hog in this one. They gave him an actual
Speaker 4: hog to ride instead, so I think they made it
Speaker 4: more metaphorical. But I was searching for it, and I
Speaker 4: swear there was there was a little element of it.
Speaker 4: At that point.
Speaker 1: I thought I saw a little bit, but now a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 4: I was just having flashbacks to the first one.
Speaker 1: It's I think it should be a ride of passage.
Speaker 1: If you're going to be a terminator. I understand if
Speaker 1: you know Schwartzenegl's two big a star, but Robert Patrick's
Speaker 1: BA unknown if he's going to join in on the
Speaker 1: terminator fun, get the Hog out.
Speaker 4: Get the Hog out for sure, Get the Hog out.
Speaker 4: I mean he was on so much money on this
Speaker 4: film too. Arnie was He got fifteen million from what
Speaker 4: I read, which is crazy. So obviously he's like, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to get my dick out for this one.
Speaker 4: I've already like, if you've got to get your dick
Speaker 4: out to get fifteen mil, I mean I'll do it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll do it, don't worry, I'll do it for ten
Speaker 4: minds out now. Yeah, yeah, mel cap.
Speaker 1: Its, let's talk about your three. Let's move hastily along. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Squeakle. That was always a great reference, because the Squeakle.
Speaker 4: We're just talking about sequels that top the original.
Speaker 1: Walk Hard, The Dewey Cox story John c Riley just
Speaker 1: bloody hilarious.
Speaker 4: We spoke about it on the first one and I
Speaker 4: went back and rewatched it. The director's cut, very hard
Speaker 4: to get your hands on, but it's so much better.
Speaker 1: I like we spoke about and your own recommendation, you
Speaker 1: went back and watching the game. I've got this listening to.
Speaker 4: The podcast, it's like, you know what, I've gotta give
Speaker 4: that another go. I there's certain films that stay with
Speaker 4: me that I watched also when I was a bit younger,
Speaker 4: but that just had a huge impact on me. Just
Speaker 4: the way that that film satirizes and just takes the
Speaker 4: absolute piss out of musical biopicks. I found hilarious. It's
Speaker 4: kind of like how goggle Box. The whole concept of
Speaker 4: goggle Box is just working off the back of everybody
Speaker 4: else's work. Like even they won the LOGI and he goes,
Speaker 4: we can't do what we do without what you guys do,
Speaker 4: essentially saying you're making all the content and we're just
Speaker 4: taking the piss out of it, essentially. And that's what
Speaker 4: walk Hard was to me was like jud apptow It
Speaker 4: seemed like he just watched every music biopic and just
Speaker 4: took the tropes and made fun of them, and.
Speaker 1: They were like there was a lot of I think
Speaker 1: Ray was around that time, Yeah, Jamie Fox, And of
Speaker 1: course you walked the Line with Waquin Phoenix.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a combination of the two because Dewey Cox,
Speaker 4: his character doesn't have a sense of smell. Instead of
Speaker 4: not having a sense and that's like a hurdle for him,
Speaker 4: there's this great line where his mom's like, I can't
Speaker 4: believe you got to make it even without a sense
Speaker 4: of smell. It's like it's okay, mar I learned how
Speaker 4: to play bar ear and it's just this like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's just taking all just when you watched that first,
Speaker 4: Because I watched that first, then watched Walk the Line
Speaker 4: and Ray and I could see what he was taking
Speaker 4: the piss out of That.
Speaker 1: Would have meant you watching Ray and Walk the line
Speaker 1: is a completely different It was.
Speaker 4: So different, It was so different for me, but I
Speaker 4: thoroughly I enjoyed both too. I think Joaquin should have
Speaker 4: got Oscar for playing Johnny Cash, but yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: different film. And it's just I love that that Aptaal
Speaker 4: could have just seen this, flip the scene, write it,
Speaker 4: shot it himself. Yeah, it's a great, great, funny, silly.
Speaker 4: It's just a silly ride.
Speaker 1: That's what I like about it. Everything about it's silly,
Speaker 1: and we like silling this the prestige not as silly
Speaker 1: as walk Hard Christopher and one of the Christian Nolan
Speaker 1: films that sometimes gets forgotten gets lost. It gets lost.
Speaker 1: I know my son watched it recently, my seventy yards
Speaker 1: on eight, and he absolutely loved it. It's a good film.
Speaker 1: I really like it too.
Speaker 4: So that reminded me of an old joke you used
Speaker 4: to have. We say you have three kids twelve, eight
Speaker 4: and six. I know, celebrity parent, celebrity children's names, celebrity names. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I remember hearing that once at the Crown Casino. When
Speaker 4: you did it, I was like, that is you can't
Speaker 4: top that.
Speaker 1: I've been doing. It's funny because I've been doing that
Speaker 1: joke for you know, quite a while now, and and
Speaker 1: I still like it's one of those ones where it'd
Speaker 1: be easy for me to put away. But if I
Speaker 1: ever within the show, have to refer to my kids,
Speaker 1: and it's always good to give them context of how
Speaker 1: old they are, so that you know, usually it's got
Speaker 1: to do with their age and experiences and what they're
Speaker 1: going through. But it's like, well, why not let's put
Speaker 1: that joke in the game. It's up broken.
Speaker 4: I keep using it.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's slightly updated because the names have changed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very very occasionally, I know in an audience is not
Speaker 1: whip smart because they wipe. It'll get very occasionally he'll
Speaker 1: get no reaction. Yeah, and it is like it There'll
Speaker 1: be like three or four laughs in the in the crowd,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, the rest of you can fuck off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna target the rest of it.
Speaker 1: It's a classic joke.
Speaker 4: But prestage is phenomenal because it's got a David Bowie
Speaker 4: as well. Not many people realize it when they watch it.
Speaker 4: He plays Tesla Nicola Tesla in a scene in a
Speaker 4: couple of scenes, but he's great in it too.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: The way that the film is structured is set up
Speaker 4: in the opening monologue by Michael Kine, where he talks
Speaker 4: about how a magic trick is. No, I can't.
Speaker 1: Give us some more. He's fishing. I love it.
Speaker 4: The only Michael Kine I like to do is when
Speaker 4: when he's talking to Bruce Wayne's parents grave and he's like,
Speaker 4: I swore to your mother and father that I would protect.
Speaker 1: You and I haven't.
Speaker 4: It gets your emotions. I failed to, I felt, But.
Speaker 1: He sets it up.
Speaker 4: He talks about what a magic trick is and and
Speaker 4: the setup and the prestige, and the film itself copies
Speaker 4: that exact formula and you get the prestige at.
Speaker 1: The very end.
Speaker 2: It's this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very very good writing to that film.
Speaker 1: It's really If you haven't seen it, absolutely check it out.
Speaker 1: It's got a great scut. Your hands is in it.
Speaker 1: Rebeca Hale obviously Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale. But it's
Speaker 1: I must say I did, and I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I never tried to get ahead of the movie and
Speaker 1: work out a twist, but I felt like I saw
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah. Yeah, it's the only my only little
Speaker 1: bit of criticism that this took away a little bit
Speaker 1: of the I didn't have the end nut Charmelainte moment. True,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: I think it came out it was competing with The
Speaker 4: Illusionist or there was. They were very similar about to
Speaker 4: thrillers about a magician and yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess
Speaker 4: I can always pass that on to Nolan.
Speaker 1: Your feedback, please do if he'll do a director's cut. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'll be watching Oppenheimer with my eyes peeled. Yes film
Speaker 1: and your third film Castle the right down this sek.
Speaker 4: I actually I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: I mean this would be the twenty five year anniversary
Speaker 1: this year of the Castle. It has come up many
Speaker 1: times Sampang famously now famously hadn't seen it? You've seen
Speaker 1: it now?
Speaker 4: Had he not seen it?
Speaker 1: Seen it by the fact he works he works for
Speaker 1: working Dog. Yeah, it's like disrespectful. It's great. It's come
Speaker 1: up many times as somebody's top three films. So when
Speaker 1: did you because you would have been about six or
Speaker 1: so when this movie comes out, when did you catch
Speaker 1: up with it?
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think I watched it when
Speaker 4: it first came out. It might have been a TV movie.
Speaker 1: Experience for me.
Speaker 4: But it's just like ages better, Like as you get older,
Speaker 4: the more you watch it, it just ages better. The
Speaker 4: comedy gets funnier. Tim, It's just like it's a Tim Tam,
Speaker 4: It's a veggimit it is it is, It's Australia to me,
Speaker 4: like it is so Australian in every facet. If people
Speaker 4: don't know what our countries like. And I was actually
Speaker 4: weirdly thinking about Bas Luhrman's film Australia last night, and
Speaker 4: I was like, is that a desperate attempt to show
Speaker 4: people what our countries like? And to me, just watch
Speaker 4: the Castle. That's that's what it is. That's how we talk. Well,
Speaker 4: that's how I talk anyway. But that's that's just how
Speaker 4: silly our humor is. And I think, as I said,
Speaker 4: it just gets better and better and better and better.
Speaker 4: It's not aging poorly.
Speaker 1: I really despised that when some people media try to
Speaker 1: paint this movie as elitist or patronizing, and I just think, no,
Speaker 1: this is this. It feels like my childhood. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: feels like the people who I kind of grew up
Speaker 1: with in characters that I knew. And it's one thing
Speaker 1: to kind of look at Working Dog now and obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, the most success full production company. They're so
Speaker 1: being responsible to so many of our TV memories and
Speaker 1: success stories. But yeah, this is really true. I think
Speaker 1: to Rob's you know, Rob's growing up, growing up, and
Speaker 1: I think they all kind of share a very similar
Speaker 1: kind of you know, childhood and adolescens and and family
Speaker 1: kind of situation. And I just, I just I think
Speaker 1: it's so warm and I agree in ages in its
Speaker 1: age really well, despite the simplicity of it all, And
Speaker 1: maybe that's part of the key.
Speaker 4: I think that's what it is. I think it's shade
Speaker 4: shaped a lot of people's humor as well, but it
Speaker 4: shaped how we perceive family to a degree. I think
Speaker 4: what I found most about it is obviously the careers
Speaker 4: that it launched too. I mean, we talk about Curry
Speaker 4: and Eric Banner, who is, in my mind is a comedian.
Speaker 4: He's always been a funny, funny, comedic actor, and he
Speaker 4: went on to do all these really great serious roles.
Speaker 4: But to me, he's still like him kickboxing and just
Speaker 4: like beating the crap out of that bag, even though
Speaker 4: there's no jokes, just him kicking it while she's holding it.
Speaker 4: I think that's hilarious, and I think he's so funny
Speaker 4: in this film, and obviously it's the most quotable film
Speaker 4: in our country. There's so many friendships that are based
Speaker 4: off just these quotes.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna when we drive to Mambulla and we
Speaker 1: go through Bonnie Duoon, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Speaker 6: You are.
Speaker 1: We are singing the song we are and Barney dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every single type, every single time.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I say if if, even if I'm not in
Speaker 1: the mood, I'll sing it. And I just under my
Speaker 1: We're going to Barney. So it's you know, it's been
Speaker 1: it's been sun. Yeah, there's respect.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The film is like it it's like it's it's Mum's
Speaker 4: like homemade soup when you're sick type thing. It just
Speaker 4: gives you this warm sense when you watch it. But
Speaker 4: did you know the Bonnie Dune house is I'm not
Speaker 4: sure if it's still is, but you can you can
Speaker 4: airb and be it. It's available on airbnb the somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I think it's any reasonably priced, but it's huge.
Speaker 4: Apparently it's like a massive amountable house that's just built
Speaker 4: off the back of this film. Imagine owning that real estate.
Speaker 4: Now that's a piece of Australian cinema history.
Speaker 1: I spent my A lot of people didn't know where
Speaker 1: Body Dune was or what it was. But I actually
Speaker 1: my schoolies was spent in bonding his school. That's how
Speaker 1: old I am. I feel like it's amazing. I feel
Speaker 1: like when you, yeah, you found that your parents went
Speaker 1: to like Marinebula for their honeymoon. You know, like we
Speaker 1: went to we went the schoolies just like camp because
Speaker 1: the Gold Coast hadn't necessarily kicked off massively. This is
Speaker 1: ninety three, Yeah, so it hadn't kicked off massively. Is
Speaker 1: I think that everybody just went to or you know,
Speaker 1: a buyer and now as well. So we kind of
Speaker 1: we just didn't. We thought my mate had a property
Speaker 1: up there, so we went and had a bonfire at
Speaker 1: the time, great tar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, God, you would have sung that song though I
Speaker 4: know it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Now when it came out, I was like, Bonnie, you
Speaker 1: got ahead of it, you were you were ahead of
Speaker 1: the curve, a little bit ahead of the curve.
Speaker 4: Wow, you made funny doing cool before it was cool.
Speaker 1: That must be made it cool. But you certainly had
Speaker 1: some good times there, but they are They're three great
Speaker 1: movies if you if you haven't shown The Castle to
Speaker 1: your kids. The only thing I'll warn is that Trial
Speaker 1: Morrow's character does swear at the photocopy of way more
Speaker 1: times than I had relatable it is.
Speaker 4: This is before technology was huge, and even the idea
Speaker 4: now of technology you want to kick it and I've
Speaker 4: replaced that trade. You know, you get mad at it
Speaker 4: now ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1: But one of the other things about The Castle before
Speaker 1: we move on, is the performances are so kind of subtle,
Speaker 1: but they're so pitch perfect. You're right, absolutely right about
Speaker 1: Eric Banners. Sophie Lee is so good, Couzin is amazing
Speaker 1: in it, and it's it'll be it's easy to overlook.
Speaker 1: And this thing, well that looks like they're not necessarily
Speaker 1: emoting or they're not you know, they're not big flowery
Speaker 1: speeches or anything like that. But they are just beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful performances.
Speaker 4: Michael Caton, Of course, I think Cauz's funniest moment in
Speaker 4: the whole film is he doesn't even say anything. You know,
Speaker 4: she's on the couch of that day, Dad, Dad dead
Speaker 4: stop it and then she runs out and carry just
Speaker 4: runs in the room, just has this smile on his
Speaker 4: face like he's just happy that his family get long,
Speaker 4: not even saying a word. I just find that smile
Speaker 4: so far every.
Speaker 1: Time I agret him laughing at red Face or hey,
Speaker 1: hey it's Saturday whatever they're watching. Yeah, yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, when you laugh so much, you
Speaker 1: got your face he's doing, he's doing a bit of that,
Speaker 1: and the whole jamunji what what what?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: When? When? When Eric banners Con is talking about is
Speaker 1: it the bar of meet there in the barley? Oh
Speaker 1: YEA been on the holiday and how good the people are,
Speaker 1: how good the service was over there? And all couz
Speaker 1: Or Dale wants to know, he's what movie you watch?
Speaker 1: Because I reckon I was that kid. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: the kid who I remember came coming back from school
Speaker 1: once school holidays and I was having a I forget
Speaker 1: what it was a fight with one of a best
Speaker 1: mates called Blake, and I sent still on breadover. I
Speaker 1: sent a mate over to ask him what movies he
Speaker 1: had seen over summer. I just that's what you wanted
Speaker 1: to know, because I'd seen splash Stream, Egos, and The
Speaker 1: Boy Could Fly Huge. Yeah, what a summer. Good summer summer.
Speaker 1: Sorry about summer blockbusters one of the ogesus I think
Speaker 1: reframed the modern blockbuster. Terminated To nineteen ninety one, at
Speaker 1: the time was the biggest and the biggest budget for
Speaker 1: any movie ever made. It did amazing things with special
Speaker 1: effects with industrial light and magic involved. Great documentary on
Speaker 1: the Disney site about those folks. James Cameron directing obviously,
Speaker 1: Arnold schwarzeneg and Linda Hamilton edwar Furlong's debut. Roger Patrick,
Speaker 1: Danny Cooksy from Different Strokes gets in there. Sam from
Speaker 1: Different Strokes he is in there as well. Jackson Tozer,
Speaker 1: did you enjoy Terminator to Judgment Day?
Speaker 4: I could not have loved it more. I am like
Speaker 4: Gus that it is taking me this long to watch
Speaker 4: this film.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad, you know. I mean, I was confident.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I come to the podcast I try and we
Speaker 1: don't discuss it beforehand, so I come, you know, blissfully
Speaker 1: unaware of what you thought of it. But sometimes I
Speaker 1: come with some confidence saying the word come.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm just so mature, but you're just sitting
Speaker 4: opposite Meat I just come blissfully. I'm not just trying.
Speaker 4: Come on, Jackson, you're thirty years old, be professional, be serious,
Speaker 4: like and then you said it again.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm just so immature. Oh well, sometimes I arrived, Yeah,
Speaker 4: sometimes a bit earlier than That's fine.
Speaker 1: But I was confident. I was confident that you're going
Speaker 1: to love this movie because it does. It does more
Speaker 1: than any other sequel that I can remember. It does
Speaker 1: add to the And I think I mentioned it to
Speaker 1: you last time where I saw this before I saw
Speaker 1: the Original Terminator, and the Original Terminator almost looks like
Speaker 1: just like almost like a little prequel, like a little
Speaker 1: small kind of little film, like almost a slasher flick.
Speaker 1: Compared to the canvas that they're working with.
Speaker 4: It must be what like what it's like to be
Speaker 4: one of the Hemsworth parents. Like when the first one
Speaker 4: came along, you got, oh nice, But then the second
Speaker 4: one came it's like, oh, this is shit, Like it's
Speaker 4: better than Luke. Holy hell, this is ten times better.
Speaker 4: We're gonna make a lot more money off this one
Speaker 4: then we did the first. But it is I don't
Speaker 4: think I don't think you need to see the first one.
Speaker 4: It definitely helps. But this works on its own, like
Speaker 4: it's got enough jumps to the future to explain what's
Speaker 4: happening and everything. I guess all you miss is the
Speaker 4: Linda Hamilton Arnie dynamic that why she's so scared of him.
Speaker 1: There are some moments and that is such a brilliant
Speaker 1: moment when Linda Hamilton La Sarah Connor slides into the
Speaker 1: terminator Arnie and it's just so when you kind of realize,
Speaker 1: I mean it was when I happened without saying it,
Speaker 1: you can understand that she would be scared of this guy.
Speaker 1: But to know where she's come from in terminator fearing him,
Speaker 1: to then bumping into him and the fear in her face,
Speaker 1: it's a great performance be done. Yes, there's some slow
Speaker 1: mo involved and all of that, but it's just it's brilliant.
Speaker 4: Having seen the first one, I think you feel that
Speaker 4: moment for her. But why is she the only one
Speaker 4: scared of him? Again we spoke about in the first one.
Speaker 4: When he shows up, there's other people who are like,
Speaker 4: aren't scared of him? Give me your clothes on? What
Speaker 4: are you gonna do about? Look at him?
Speaker 1: Look at him?
Speaker 4: Why do people still think they can take him on
Speaker 4: and he still beats the shit out of all of them.
Speaker 4: It's it baffles me. And Linda Hamilton got prison jacked
Speaker 4: for this film, my lord.
Speaker 1: I I up until this point in time, I can't
Speaker 1: think it's a Goney Weaver, including to Goney Weaver, but
Speaker 1: I can't remember anyone a female as ripped as Linda Hamilton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in a film like this was like, I felt like
Speaker 1: a game changer, just as far as women's bodies in film.
Speaker 4: What you said, like when we did the first one,
Speaker 4: about how where she takes the character in the second.
Speaker 4: It is a completely different character the first one. And
Speaker 4: it's not even the fact that she puts on muscle
Speaker 4: that makes her a bad ass. I think her whole performance,
Speaker 4: her attitude, her skill set, her demeanor. There's so much
Speaker 4: that she does with this character in this film that
Speaker 4: makes it so iconic for me. Yeah, just the work,
Speaker 4: the work that she would have put in for this film.
Speaker 4: What was the budget for the film? It was a
Speaker 4: ridiculous amount. It was the most, but they couldn't afford
Speaker 4: a bra for her the entire film.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a rule I think in films are
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties about Bras were that one set.
Speaker 4: She's just so cool to when I was watching it,
Speaker 4: every time she put on like a pair of aviators
Speaker 4: or just walk somewhere, I'm like, cool, she is so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he knows, he knows how to capture cool,
Speaker 1: you know, like even even the T one thousands mirrored
Speaker 1: sunglasses and the flames, you know, like, you know, like
Speaker 1: he and even the roses. Why was why was he
Speaker 1: carrying a box of roses? It's a good moment, and
Speaker 1: you know, and a little nod to Guns and Roses,
Speaker 1: who were like the biggest band in the world and
Speaker 1: we're basically you could be mine. Is I think the
Speaker 1: first single release from the years your Illusion albums coming
Speaker 1: off Appetite for Destruction was one of the biggest debuts
Speaker 1: of all time and one of the biggest albums of
Speaker 1: all time. And they have that little Guns and Roses
Speaker 1: you know nod, you know, aesthetically was was nice. What
Speaker 1: I find I find fascinating about his sequel is everyone
Speaker 1: and I can't think of it happening before or since,
Speaker 1: but everyone in the sequel, so everyone in the original
Speaker 1: film where we find them in the it's everyone's flipped
Speaker 1: everyone's completely flipped. So if you look of three main characters,
Speaker 1: now obviously evil for long in the original, but we
Speaker 1: are aware that he's a resistant fighter. We meet him,
Speaker 1: he's the brattiest, he's the furthest thing away from a
Speaker 1: resistant fighter, right, Arnie is obviously he's been reprogrammed. He's
Speaker 1: the good guy now. It's it's it's brilliant. And we
Speaker 1: see Sarah Connor, who you know, it says like she's
Speaker 1: so far away from being as ripped as she is,
Speaker 1: but also just mentally up for leading, you know, a resistance.
Speaker 4: She is prepared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like in the first one, she's scared. She says,
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm no leader. I'm just you know, I'm
Speaker 1: basically I'm just a mum.
Speaker 4: She's a wag pushed around.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's not a mum yet, but she yeah, she so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's quite of not weak in the first ones, but
Speaker 1: she's finding her strength. But she's certainly not the confidence
Speaker 1: that we find, you know, in judgment.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of that goes back to what
Speaker 4: you said about she has to be the one to
Speaker 4: kill the terminator in the first film without to do like,
Speaker 4: I think that's the moment where she as the character
Speaker 4: then goes right, I believe this is the future that's
Speaker 4: gonna happen. I need to now do everything to prepare
Speaker 4: for it. Yeah, she's just she is just such a
Speaker 4: bad ass in it. And there's still what you talk
Speaker 4: about the characters in the first one. The second one,
Speaker 4: Kyle Reese makes a return very briefly.
Speaker 1: Where's Kyle?
Speaker 4: So he's in the He's like a figment of her imagination.
Speaker 4: He comes back to judge her parenting. He's only in
Speaker 4: that one scene. Isn't it funny we spoke about they
Speaker 4: only knew each other for a few hours in the
Speaker 4: first one, and she's so horny for it and they
Speaker 4: get to it straight away. In this one, he comes
Speaker 4: there and he says like two lines to her and
Speaker 4: she just straddles him again, even though it's like a
Speaker 4: figment of her imagination. But he comes back, he's just like,
Speaker 4: what have you done? What have you done with John?
Speaker 4: I'm still rattling with Like to me, now, John knew
Speaker 4: he was sending that guy back in time to have
Speaker 4: sex with his mum, because he knows. John knows. In
Speaker 4: this one, he says like he's well aware that the
Speaker 4: guy who's's isn't even born yet.
Speaker 1: It is the elephant skeleton in the room.
Speaker 4: It's quite odd in you. So, even growing up with
Speaker 4: his best mate in the future, he's just in the
Speaker 4: back of his mind. He's like, there's going to come
Speaker 4: a day where I have to send you back in
Speaker 4: time to have sex with my mouth. He knows the
Speaker 4: whole time.
Speaker 1: Then he's cool with it, and he's cool with it.
Speaker 4: It's that thing of if anyone's going to do it,
Speaker 4: I'd want it to.
Speaker 2: Be you, mate.
Speaker 1: That's half fas, give me some skin.
Speaker 4: A great move bringing Arnie back as a protagonist to
Speaker 4: Oh what a great move.
Speaker 1: Stroa apparently was resistant to it. Yeah, he wasn't sure
Speaker 1: that that would work, and James Cameron really had to
Speaker 1: convince him basically to say, you know, he's got this.
Speaker 4: Full fledged star at this point too, right, he is
Speaker 4: a fully fledged A list Hollywood star.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I think he's made a couple of films,
Speaker 1: you know, he has made some films in between. I
Speaker 1: think True Lies comes, we're going to be after after.
Speaker 1: I still I still think that's that's ahead of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is. I mean this was I said, I remember
Speaker 1: this film being released. So I'm sixteen when this is released,
Speaker 1: I'm right in the hitting zone and it was just massive.
Speaker 1: And I think I was because it just looked awesome,
Speaker 1: like everything, the packaging around it, the trailers. You know,
Speaker 1: they did a great job. And I said, this is
Speaker 1: a film that I hadn't seen it in the original
Speaker 1: you know, the first one, so I you know, I
Speaker 1: was pumped to see it, and they did a great
Speaker 1: job of kind of going it doesn't you know, like
Speaker 1: you don't have to go see the first one because
Speaker 1: it wasn't as easy to as we go see the
Speaker 1: first one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it was was it seven years? I
Speaker 4: think seven years between the two of them, plenty of
Speaker 4: time to figure out the time travel logic decided to
Speaker 4: ignore that.
Speaker 1: But what a?
Speaker 7: What a?
Speaker 3: What a?
Speaker 4: Do you want to talk about the special effects, because
Speaker 4: that is that is phenomenal, mean what a massive, massive
Speaker 4: upgrade to what the first one was. It's it's still
Speaker 4: the liquid liquid stuff for that time would have been amazing.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, Like I watched it. I watched it
Speaker 1: the other night and I was, yeah, you could see
Speaker 1: how far we've come, of course, because but at the
Speaker 1: time it was incredible, And there's only about sixty five
Speaker 1: or so CGI shots. There's still a lot of there's
Speaker 1: a lot of practical, a lot of practice stuff going on.
Speaker 4: I mean, the thing that gets me with the liquid
Speaker 4: metal is the reflection. That's got to be the hardest
Speaker 4: thing with something changing. The light would change and bend
Speaker 4: with the reflection. But when he walks through the jail
Speaker 4: cell door, thing that I could imagine being ninety one
Speaker 4: sitting in the theater going what the fuck just happened?
Speaker 4: How did they do that? Because they would have been
Speaker 4: that would have been just such an advancement. Now they didn't.
Speaker 4: They didn't create the OSCAR category.
Speaker 1: For this film.
Speaker 4: I don't think there was a film where it had
Speaker 4: a huge breakthrough in special effects that they had to
Speaker 4: create that category. And I'm not sure if it was
Speaker 4: this one or not, But there is an amazing practical
Speaker 4: effects shot in this where they are taking the chip
Speaker 4: out of Arnie's head. Yeah, and you're seeing him in
Speaker 4: the reflect I looked into it. That's not a reflection,
Speaker 4: that's just a that's a dummy sitting in the foreground
Speaker 4: that you can see the back of his head. Ah,
Speaker 4: And the reflection is literally just Arnie threw a cardboard
Speaker 4: cutout on the other side of it, so when they
Speaker 4: pan to him and pen back to the head, they
Speaker 4: can actually rip the chip out of it. So there's
Speaker 4: this really and I wouldn't have known unless I watched
Speaker 4: a YouTube video on that on how they did it.
Speaker 4: So there's these practical effects that are so well done
Speaker 4: you don't even know in twenty twenty that it was practical.
Speaker 1: And I love that because you do have some filmmakers
Speaker 1: who get so kind of obsessed with what they can
Speaker 1: do in the edit suite. George bluc is probably you
Speaker 1: know in this camp that they just will do everything
Speaker 1: with CGI. I love that James Cameron has a discipline
Speaker 1: to kind of go, well, we need cgr for this,
Speaker 1: but there's no reason why we can't shit this practically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you've got the talent at your disposal, but indust
Speaker 1: your light and magic estimates eight weeks. It took eight
Speaker 1: weeks for every twenty five seconds of a computer generated shot.
Speaker 1: Eight weeks for every twenty five seconds.
Speaker 4: Oh that is that is a grueling schedule.
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal.
Speaker 4: That is so crazy. Now there's like an Instagram filter
Speaker 4: that can do all of that for you immediately. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: jumping technology.
Speaker 1: This is completely right, Like, it is amazing that what
Speaker 1: we have in our pockets now is basically what they were,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what they had at the time
Speaker 1: in what we can do. That's why, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're it's a great time to be, you know, a
Speaker 1: young filmmaker because you know you have access to this stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, I see you got this green screen here. Do
Speaker 4: you use that for anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we take some photos sometimes afterwards, and yeah, we
Speaker 1: know it's a whole studio. Yeah, studios. Don't you worry
Speaker 1: about that. Don't cut costs. I did love the the
Speaker 1: time with the first one, that the idea that that
Speaker 1: this terminator was still wanted for the deaths of those
Speaker 1: the police officers. I love one as a Yes, there
Speaker 1: are still ramifications for you can't just go into a
Speaker 1: place of.
Speaker 4: Some continuity, no doown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys and thedn't go Okay, we moved on
Speaker 1: because it's a cold case. And yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: I liked I like the flashbacks or the flash the
Speaker 1: flashbacks of flash forwards forwards of the the apocalypse. It
Speaker 1: just reminds you at once at stake.
Speaker 4: So many crack. So many skulls too, a lot of skulls.
Speaker 4: The roads are just paved with skupe nicely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is with that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, the future so bleak, it's so bleak.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The opening credits is just like a playground a blaze,
Speaker 4: and it's just such a bleak image of the future.
Speaker 4: What is twenty twenty seven? I think it was twenty
Speaker 4: twenty nine, twenty nine?
Speaker 1: What was going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty twenty nine. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, possible, it's
Speaker 4: a possible future.
Speaker 1: Still. They do very they do a good job. When
Speaker 1: we see Linda Hamlet in the mental hospital, I was
Speaker 1: planting we've spoke before about you know, you don't have
Speaker 1: to have seen the first one. Yeah, they do a
Speaker 1: very good job. It's a nice expedition going on. And
Speaker 1: let's have a listen to some exhibition exposition delivered by
Speaker 1: the mental hospital's psychologists to of course some visiting doctors
Speaker 1: or you know, nurses.
Speaker 8: She believes that the machine called the Terminator, which looks
Speaker 8: human of course, was sent back.
Speaker 2: Through time to kill her.
Speaker 1: That's original, and also that.
Speaker 8: The father of her child was a soldier sent back
Speaker 8: to protect her. No, he was from the future too,
Speaker 8: the year twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: Nine, if I remember correctly, here we are, morning Sarah,
Speaker 6: Good morning, doctor Silverman. How's the knee.
Speaker 5: Fine, Sarah?
Speaker 8: She uh stabbed me in the kneecap with my pan
Speaker 8: a few weeks ago.
Speaker 5: They do.
Speaker 4: She had to elaborate on you.
Speaker 1: You wanted to just like, yeah, she's crazy. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: actually explained. That is pretty hilacticous.
Speaker 4: So you all asking me. I can see you are
Speaker 4: looking at me wondering what happened. Well, she did stab me.
Speaker 1: In the knee.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 1: It's certainly a funnier film they have. They have more moments.
Speaker 1: I know you found Terminator funny that it is, but
Speaker 1: this is knowingly funny.
Speaker 4: I think when he says your foster parents are dead,
Speaker 4: that's so funny to me. It's just so blunt.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the great scenes. In fact, let's let's
Speaker 1: let's let's do you have that grab too. Let's let's
Speaker 1: let's keep it going, because so this is obviously they
Speaker 1: want he needs to check on the foster parents. He
Speaker 1: starts getting suspicious. Yes, this something might be a wry.
Speaker 5: John.
Speaker 2: It's late, honey, I was beginning to worry about you.
Speaker 1: If you hurry home, we can sit down.
Speaker 5: And have dinner together. I'm making Bee do something's wrong.
Speaker 5: She's never this nice?
Speaker 2: Where are you the hell is the goddamn dog barking?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 5: Shut up? You work with the dog's really barking.
Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna tell the kid to get rid of.
Speaker 1: That fucking mud.
Speaker 8: John, Honey, it's late.
Speaker 5: Please don't make me worry. Cay there, Honey, are you okay?
Speaker 5: I'm right here, I'm fine.
Speaker 4: Are you sure?
Speaker 5: Are you sure you're all right?
Speaker 1: What's the dog's name?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 5: You know what's wrong with wolfy? I can hear him barking?
Speaker 5: Is he okay?
Speaker 4: Wolf is fine? Honey?
Speaker 8: Wolf is just fine?
Speaker 7: What are you.
Speaker 2: You? Flust the parents?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: I wish he was there to break every every tough
Speaker 4: thing to ever hear. I wish Artie could just say
Speaker 4: it to.
Speaker 1: Me bluntly like that. One of the things I find,
Speaker 1: really I'm trying to think, like what what elevates this?
Speaker 1: This is obviously the special effects. I mean that kind
Speaker 1: of La River kind of basin car Chase is iconic,
Speaker 1: and and also the T one thousand is so good,
Speaker 1: Like I remember watching Butch Cassidy in the Sundance Kid.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've seen that, but there's you know, there,
Speaker 1: there's this gang who are basically after Butcher and Sundance
Speaker 1: for the most of the movie, and they're just whenever
Speaker 1: Butch and Sundance think they've got rid of them, they
Speaker 1: just keep on top of And these are the guys
Speaker 1: on horses, you know, to see and I must I
Speaker 1: assume I'd love to know, but I reckon James Cameron.
Speaker 1: That must have been an influence, I think, because just
Speaker 1: it's just this feeling that you cannot get away from
Speaker 1: the bad guy, and this is I haven't felt like
Speaker 1: the way I felt in T two when I first
Speaker 1: particularly when I first saw it, particularly when he's running
Speaker 1: after him and they can't get away from him, and
Speaker 1: then he gets these hooks and he sts hooking into
Speaker 1: the car. It's like, how can they beat this guy?
Speaker 1: They can't beat him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, even with their own terminator. Yeah, he's running style
Speaker 4: so neat too, isn't it. He's such a neat sprinter.
Speaker 1: Oh he's yeah, yeah, he's I mean he was you know,
Speaker 1: he's reasonably unknown. He was told to come to the audition,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was told what, you know, they
Speaker 1: needed somebody who was I forget what the actual directions were,
Speaker 1: but he just kind of really locked into this kind
Speaker 1: of look where he's kind of acan often scanning the room,
Speaker 1: and this had this dead pan look in his face,
Speaker 1: but a fierce determination and intent. I think it's the
Speaker 1: intent in his eyes.
Speaker 4: His performance is very underrated because we spoke about the
Speaker 4: first one was Arnie's performance good or bad. He's a robot,
Speaker 4: so his delivery is robotic, but this, this robot is
Speaker 4: a dramatic upgrade from his terminator, and you can see
Speaker 4: it in the way that he performs it. He's still
Speaker 4: very focused, driven, but there is there is a bit
Speaker 4: more of a for lack of a better word, like
Speaker 4: a humanity to him in his performance, and I think
Speaker 4: that comes from it being like a software upgrade to
Speaker 4: a degree. But it's interesting you talk about the references
Speaker 4: of the film, Like I thought that Weakley thought that
Speaker 4: Greece would have been a reference to this, because even
Speaker 4: the cop has a real Kinicki haircut, and then the
Speaker 4: whole chase scene in that canal thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I just when I watched that, what would you call
Speaker 4: it a canal where they're doing the Yeah, well.
Speaker 1: I think it's got the base of the Los Angeles River. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think that's what's referred to.
Speaker 4: Because that was giving me real thunder road vibe when
Speaker 4: I watched it, and I was like, even the logic
Speaker 4: behind this, like in what world does a tow truck
Speaker 4: like outdrive a motorcycle? Like in what world can it
Speaker 4: catch up? Like I get there's a t one thousand
Speaker 4: driving it, but the physical structure, there's no way this
Speaker 4: thing is going to outrun. Also, like a ten year
Speaker 4: old on a motorbike what yeah, lookttle Yamaha. I think
Speaker 4: he's like ten years old or something in this film
Speaker 4: and he's young yeah, and his foster parents. He just
Speaker 4: gets the motorbike and just drives off and like whatever.
Speaker 4: It's a good the worst foster parents.
Speaker 1: It's a good point.
Speaker 3: Like the.
Speaker 1: The age, I think he looks older. I always assumed
Speaker 1: he was like fourteen or fifteen, but I think age
Speaker 1: wise from the if you feel like script, if you
Speaker 1: go back, he's like ten, yeah, yeah, and he plays
Speaker 1: older than ten.
Speaker 4: He definitely. He's a really good performance too, really really
Speaker 4: good performance. I don't feel like Bart Simpson wrote his dialogue.
Speaker 4: But outside of that, it was a really good performance.
Speaker 4: And there's something I found so funny about his foster parents,
Speaker 4: especially when the T one thousand shows up in a
Speaker 4: police uniform, like, oh no, what's happened to John's? Like
Speaker 4: have you seen him?
Speaker 1: Know?
Speaker 4: But there was another strange adult man here earlier on
Speaker 4: asking about him? Is that in any way connected? And
Speaker 4: it's like you were in charge of this child's life
Speaker 4: goe there and finding it. Two adult men have come
Speaker 4: to your door looking for him, and you're like, I'm
Speaker 4: sure one of them will find him and bring him home.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why we're I think we're quite okay when
Speaker 1: they died. Let's have a listen of let's see one
Speaker 1: thousand arriving at the residence of John Connor's foster parents.
Speaker 2: Are you the legal guardian of John Connor? That's right, officer?
Speaker 1: What's he done? Now? Could I speak with him?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: Could? If you were here?
Speaker 2: Took off on his bike this morning so he could
Speaker 2: be anywhere. Do you have a photograph of John? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Sure, hold on, you're you.
Speaker 2: Gonna tell me what this is about.
Speaker 5: I just need to ask him a few questions.
Speaker 1: He's a good looking boy.
Speaker 4: Do you mind if I keep this picture?
Speaker 7: No, go on.
Speaker 5: There was a guy here this morning looking for him too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a big guy on a bike got something to
Speaker 2: do with this. No, I wouldn't worry about him.
Speaker 4: That's the ten second pause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good look. Though. It's good. It's when
Speaker 1: you're watching it. It is a lovely look that he gives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, can you imagine asking that cop is this this
Speaker 4: strange ginormous man was looking for my son this morning?
Speaker 1: Is that related?
Speaker 4: The cop spends five seconds and sons and goes no,
Speaker 4: and you just go, all right, move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we hope you die. Yeah, we hope you die.
Speaker 1: The mental hospital. I mean, it's a great story. The
Speaker 1: idea that so John Connor's rebelling with his foster parents,
Speaker 1: he's rebelling against his mum because he thinks he's crazy.
Speaker 1: That idea, that that realization you must have when you
Speaker 1: are told no, your mum's not crazy. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1: It's a great idea to drive that character and it
Speaker 1: makes it just makes perfect sense. Apparently the John Connor
Speaker 1: idea came later the James Cameron, which I thought, when
Speaker 1: you when you see a film that I think is
Speaker 1: pretty perfect you to go what this must have come out?
Speaker 1: You know, you must have had this idea and John
Speaker 1: Connor must have been at the center of the idea
Speaker 1: the whole time, but it came a bit late. Apparently
Speaker 1: James Cameron was doing a lot of ecstasy at the
Speaker 1: time and was obvious and was listening to Russians Love
Speaker 1: their Children Too by sting. Yeah, and that was the
Speaker 1: inspiration to kind of involve John Connor.
Speaker 4: That is such a crazy story.
Speaker 1: It's just a crazy because it's an obvious thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got this this future resistance leader that you have
Speaker 1: set up Interminator. Yeah, let's meet him in Terminator too.
Speaker 4: And he also, like just the thought of the weight
Speaker 4: of the world on a ten year old shoulders too
Speaker 4: is a great, great story concept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this.
Speaker 4: Beautiful thing of like it says a lot about Sarah's character.
Speaker 4: The character of Sarah as well is that not even
Speaker 4: her son believes her and he comes around like that's
Speaker 4: that's a lot. That's a lot for her to be
Speaker 4: going through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also the we allow Sarah Sarah Cona's out
Speaker 1: breaking out is more enjoyable because of the way we
Speaker 1: know she's been treated. You know, yes, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't like to see healthcare professionals treat like that in
Speaker 1: real life obviously, But when you're licking the face.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, as James Cameron gets, how many people
Speaker 4: get licks in this film the lick. I cringed so much.
Speaker 4: I cringe so much watching it. It is so My
Speaker 4: housemate actually got up because I can't watch this moment. Oh,
Speaker 4: we should watch Kill Bill after this, where it gets
Speaker 4: even worse than that with an unconscious pace. It's oh,
Speaker 4: it's gross. But yeah, that also justifies the absolute beating
Speaker 4: that they get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone gets they're just deserts.
Speaker 4: It's good that she breaks out as well. It's not
Speaker 4: just reliant on Arnie to come break her out, like
Speaker 4: she gets out. She does so much to get out
Speaker 4: of that seal and keep moving on. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: thought I thought that was. That whole sequence is really
Speaker 4: well done. It's a constant cat and mouse this whole film.
Speaker 4: It's this chase sequence.
Speaker 1: It's well, it feels like it's one long chase sequence.
Speaker 1: And the one of the smart choices they made is
Speaker 1: to have this rule that John Conner kind of introduces,
Speaker 1: which is no killing, which we spoke about this in
Speaker 1: terminated the body count, and I think I reckon attitudes
Speaker 1: had changed even in that seven year period as far
Speaker 1: as seeing the amount of gun violence on screen, and
Speaker 1: we kind of moved away from this kind of post
Speaker 1: Rambo and post Terminator going, we don't really want to
Speaker 1: see this many paths on screen. So this brilliant little
Speaker 1: thing of going you cannot you cannot kill anyone is
Speaker 1: so brilliant. I love it.
Speaker 4: I love it for so many reasons. I feel like
Speaker 4: it was kind of a generation too, where filmmaking wise,
Speaker 4: they instead of killing people, they always took it out
Speaker 4: on cop cars. Yeah, like so many cop cars got
Speaker 4: done in this film. When Arnie gets to the roof
Speaker 4: of that massive machine gun and goes, I'll take care
Speaker 4: of the cops, he just shoots all the cars, that
Speaker 4: blows them all up, which, by the way, doesn't take
Speaker 4: care of the cops. It just destroys their vehicles. But
Speaker 4: he the body count is different. I like the idea
Speaker 4: that John is in control of him too. You must
Speaker 4: do what John says.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like no.
Speaker 4: Killing, And I feel like there was a there's got
Speaker 4: to be a better use for like a ten year
Speaker 4: old or for a teenager to have their own terminator,
Speaker 4: like can you go buy me beer or something like
Speaker 4: not just don't kill people like you'd have so much
Speaker 4: fun with it.
Speaker 1: There is some fun elements. Let's have a listen to
Speaker 1: some of these rules.
Speaker 5: You have to do what I say.
Speaker 1: That's one of my mission parameters.
Speaker 6: Prove it.
Speaker 7: Stand on one foot, Yes, cool, terminator, your kay kid,
Speaker 7: take a hike.
Speaker 4: Bozzer must get out of here. Fuck you, you little
Speaker 4: dip ship.
Speaker 5: Dip ship.
Speaker 4: Did you call?
Speaker 3: Wah?
Speaker 5: A dip ship's trying to ground this guy.
Speaker 7: I can't believe it.
Speaker 5: Now, who's the dip ship?
Speaker 6: You jock be.
Speaker 5: Now put the turn down, Now get out of here.
Speaker 5: The split Come on, Jesus, you're gonna kill that guy.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm a terminator. I mean, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: be honest. John Connor a bit of a dick in
Speaker 1: that scene. Massive dick, A massive dick.
Speaker 4: What a cocky little dick too?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean the terminator does love a
Speaker 1: local tough. There's a local gang of tufts. We saw
Speaker 1: that in Terminator one and and here we are again.
Speaker 1: But these these these tough compared to the ones in
Speaker 1: the first film. They're coming over at John's insistence to help.
Speaker 4: To help a ten year old boy, oh boy.
Speaker 1: And then it basically told the funk off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is there like a spinoff where we follow those
Speaker 4: two guys who actually genuine good nudes. They came over
Speaker 4: to help a ten year old who was being harassed
Speaker 4: by this seven foot massive bodybuilder and then they get
Speaker 4: told to funk off and get beaten up. Like they're
Speaker 4: genuinely good people.
Speaker 1: I just would love to see them. Actually, they're a
Speaker 1: whole spin off movie. But that's the conversation they had
Speaker 1: as they drove away to go what happened there?
Speaker 4: Is the last time we ever try to help somebody
Speaker 4: out right, like this is maybe there's a maybe there's
Speaker 4: a spinoff film with maybe The T three is the
Speaker 4: Revenge of the son of one of the security guards
Speaker 4: that gets knee capped by army because that's brutal too.
Speaker 4: You can't kill them, but you can blow their knee out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like that's still pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Career ending.
Speaker 4: It's career ending.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there years and security guard Academy for nothing, you know.
Speaker 1: Speaking of security guards, a little fun fact that the
Speaker 1: security guards at the T one thousand takes basically the
Speaker 1: vending machine and he's looking at himself. He can mimic.
Speaker 1: No special effects involved as far as like, as far
Speaker 1: as it's not a reflection. They're twins.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Yeah, that's great. That is really interesting because
Speaker 4: it's that one felt pretty flawless to me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan and Don Stanton is his name, Dan and Don.
Speaker 4: Their parents got lazy with that. Yeah, it's like they
Speaker 4: had one loaded. They thought they were having one baby.
Speaker 4: There's another one. Oh shit, Don, that'll do.
Speaker 1: I One of the things I really like about this
Speaker 1: about two two, and I think it gives a lot
Speaker 1: of heart, is that it feels like it feels like
Speaker 1: a father and son movie as well. The father figure
Speaker 1: finally coming in obviously Kyle Reese, he's no longer on
Speaker 1: the scene outside of force ghost form, and it's really
Speaker 1: it gives it a real sweetness, I guess, but also
Speaker 1: you know, something to see for this single mother. I
Speaker 1: think the sea a man come in and take him
Speaker 1: under his wing and actually be there and like that
Speaker 1: speech she gives, let's have a listening. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's Sarah Connor looking at Arnie and Sarah kind
Speaker 1: of looking at the terminator and John Connor, and the
Speaker 1: the relationship that's growing.
Speaker 9: Budging John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear
Speaker 9: the Terminator would never stop. It would never leave him,
Speaker 9: and it would never hurt him, never shout at him
Speaker 9: or get drunk and hit him, or say it was
Speaker 9: too busy to spend time with him.
Speaker 2: It would always be.
Speaker 9: There, and it would die to protect him. Of all
Speaker 9: the would be fathers who came and went over the years,
Speaker 9: this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured
Speaker 9: up in an insane world.
Speaker 4: It was the scenest choice. Hasn't she dated some bad guys?
Speaker 4: If a terminator is the best father figure for her.
Speaker 1: Son, yeah, ladies, there are better guys out there.
Speaker 4: There's a bit of a bit of the Iron Giant
Speaker 4: to it as well.
Speaker 1: I feel I haven't seen the Iron Giant, which.
Speaker 4: Neither of I, but I got the idea of what
Speaker 4: it is. A little boy with a giant, iron giant
Speaker 4: best friend. Yeah, there's a bit of this too. I
Speaker 4: also don't appreciate how much John punks him with the
Speaker 4: down low too slow. Yeah, so it just keeps doing it,
Speaker 4: keeps getting like he's just mocking this man right in
Speaker 4: front of him. Too. Slow, and he keeps doing it.
Speaker 4: It doesn't miss a beat.
Speaker 1: It's almost it's either a father of sudden relationship or
Speaker 1: a son or a boy and dog relationship. Yes some
Speaker 1: of them. Edward Furlong does treat him like a like
Speaker 1: he's a.
Speaker 4: Pet Harry and the Henderson's type thing something. Yeah, this big,
Speaker 4: big idiot type man who is a protector to him.
Speaker 4: But it really baffles me that she she must have
Speaker 4: dated some real bad people. Yeah, really, which is why
Speaker 4: Kyle Reese comes back and judges her parenting and she's done.
Speaker 4: She raises the future hero of the world.
Speaker 1: Exactly. You try to do it, Car, she just whatever
Speaker 1: happened to you?
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing with the logic. If she stops
Speaker 4: the future from happening, then she stops Kyle Reese coming
Speaker 4: back to impregnate her with John.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 4: There is a lot of time travel logic that is
Speaker 4: not fully fleshed out. But that's fine, We'll let it slide. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think I covered all this
Speaker 4: in Frankie Fish. Yes, yeah, you did, really, really well.
Speaker 1: The there's also another actually I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the head of Skynet who so Linda Sarah Kind of
Speaker 1: goes and mows down the house really like sprays it
Speaker 1: with bullets, like indiscriminately, just takes it out. Amazingly, he
Speaker 1: doesn't Miles doesn't get killed. But it's what were you
Speaker 1: thinking when when she went there? And I think it's
Speaker 1: probably feels like the beginning of the Third Actor, that
Speaker 1: were you expecting her to take him out?
Speaker 2: He was?
Speaker 4: What I was thinking at that point is there is
Speaker 4: no world where a man can create artificial intelligence on
Speaker 4: a computer that's running anything less than Windows ninety eight.
Speaker 4: How the hell is he creating AI on those massive.
Speaker 1: That's like Jackson that's his home computers at the work.
Speaker 4: Is running Vista at work.
Speaker 1: But I did wonder if you take him out the technology.
Speaker 1: Surely he's not the only one who he's told about this,
Speaker 1: Like there's other He's got board members or COLLEIAU.
Speaker 4: Someone's funding it, like someone has to know what he's doing. Yes,
Speaker 4: that was a weird moment because that to me, she
Speaker 4: was a real she was the villain in that moment.
Speaker 4: She's just spraying this house.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I think there was apocalyptic kind of
Speaker 1: fan or forward visions are important because you're going to go, well,
Speaker 1: if she's trying to save three billion people by taking
Speaker 1: one person out there there is so when her fingers
Speaker 1: on the trigger, you're kind of like, I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't want it to happen, because you know, they played
Speaker 1: really well. That actor is really likable. Ye's a really
Speaker 1: likable presence about his son, guns in the room, his
Speaker 1: wife's and in the room. So you don't want you
Speaker 1: don't want it to happen, obviously, even though you're thinking, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the baby Hitler thing.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 1: It's a spin on that.
Speaker 4: It is justified though from her character's point of view,
Speaker 4: because she's spent, however, many years in prison determined to
Speaker 4: stop this happening, so she is so switched on and
Speaker 4: driven to this moment, So.
Speaker 1: I think it makes complete sense. I do like that
Speaker 1: Miles does have, you know, like he quickly believed. He
Speaker 1: comes around pretty quickly, but I think understandably like he's
Speaker 1: already got one foot in this kind of world in
Speaker 1: the way, so he kind of it doesn't seem as
Speaker 1: as unbelievable to him as it might somebody else.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's a bit ahead of its time
Speaker 4: as well? In terms of the moral question of our
Speaker 4: technological advancement, the moral element of it, like how far
Speaker 4: are we going? And what's the ramifications of that? Like
Speaker 4: that's ninety one, you're talking about AI and we've been
Speaker 4: making films since about what would happen if we have
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence? But this film, I don't know, it feels
Speaker 4: like it's a bit of a breakthrough at that why.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's only been reasonbly recently in the
Speaker 1: last ten years.
Speaker 4: Now that's becoming more real.
Speaker 1: You see like Boston Dynamics and you're going to go, fuck,
Speaker 1: that's scary, you know, like and back then it felt
Speaker 1: like fantasy. Yes, you know, I mean sadly, and this
Speaker 1: is a lot about the set of the world. It
Speaker 1: does feel like some of these apocalyptic films. You know,
Speaker 1: you go, ah, I can see how that might happen. Now.
Speaker 4: That's why Black Mirror is so terrifying because it's not scary.
Speaker 4: It's terrifying because it kind of could happen, like each
Speaker 4: episode you like, I think it was a review that said,
Speaker 4: this show happens five minutes from the current time, Like
Speaker 4: that's what's scary about it. It could happen now, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: And I think this film delves into it in that
Speaker 4: moment too, because yeah, this guy creates this horrible future,
Speaker 4: and there's gonna be something traumatizing to find out what
Speaker 4: your creation ends up doing. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 4: he plays it. I think it was quite an interesting character.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he you know, he sacrifices himself. That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Geesey gets sprayed with bullets.
Speaker 1: It's a great he's almost doing like lamars or something,
Speaker 1: that breathing exercise that breathing does before he actually died.
Speaker 4: But he has the moral conscious to to help to
Speaker 4: tell them, show them the detonator, so he doesn't kill
Speaker 4: these innocent cops either.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: That's that's nice. Where Sarah would be like, fuck it,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever whatever it takes. Yeah, yeah, I really liked
Speaker 1: that as a character.
Speaker 4: I think we talk about the budget too. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure if you noticed this on your watch. I only
Speaker 4: noticed it when rewatching it was I feel like maybe
Speaker 4: majority of that came from Pepsi. There is so much
Speaker 4: Pepsi product placement in this.
Speaker 1: I seem to recall there may have been actually connection
Speaker 1: and sponsored you know, I remember for some reason, I
Speaker 1: remember ads or something.
Speaker 4: I counted about five or six moments where there was
Speaker 4: just a pepsi for no reason.
Speaker 1: And I reckon, this is the height of the product.
Speaker 1: Placement became a really big thing around this.
Speaker 4: Time because you're getting that much money. We just say
Speaker 4: it was the highest budgeted film of its time and
Speaker 4: justified too. I mean, the first one proved itself. You see,
Speaker 4: you see where the money spent in this I do
Speaker 4: I do like about this film?
Speaker 1: Do you like the money? The opening sequence I think
Speaker 1: costs more than the entire film, the whole the whole
Speaker 1: first film, the whole first film, and I think even
Speaker 1: like the rest of the so I think somebody said
Speaker 1: it maybe even cost as much as the rest of
Speaker 1: the film.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they just spend so much, like James Cameron
Speaker 4: spent every cent of that budget, with those like the
Speaker 4: cops being the cars being blown up for no particular reason.
Speaker 4: Like I always feel, I felt like after watching this
Speaker 4: that this is the film Michael Bay has spent his
Speaker 4: entire life trying to because that's just what it feels like.
Speaker 4: Same with like the lighting that very blue and orange. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it just seems like this is and it very well
Speaker 4: could be. Michael Bay was so inspired by this film,
Speaker 4: but they spent so much of their budget on this.
Speaker 4: I'm going to find this little fact here because there
Speaker 4: was something about Arnie. Yeah, so Anie got fifteen million
Speaker 4: dollars for seven hundred words of dialogue in the film,
Speaker 4: which means for husta la vista babe, he was paid
Speaker 4: eighty five, seven hundred and sixteen dollars for that one line.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Let's have a listen actually to John teaching
Speaker 1: him some of these, some of these phrases. If he
Speaker 1: wants to fit in.
Speaker 5: You gotta listen.
Speaker 7: And the way people talk, you don't say affirmative or
Speaker 7: some shit like that.
Speaker 5: You say no problema.
Speaker 7: And if someone comes off to you with an attitude,
Speaker 7: you say eat me. And if you want to shine
Speaker 7: them on, it's asta la vesta baby, Asta lavista baby.
Speaker 5: Yeah later, dick one.
Speaker 7: And if someone gets upset, you say chill out, or
Speaker 7: you could do combinations, chill out, Dick.
Speaker 5: What that's great.
Speaker 2: You're getting him no problema.
Speaker 1: Now he's he's great. I heard not he gonna say.
Speaker 1: You know he would read these lines and think, well,
Speaker 1: there's no chance of this becoming iconic, Like he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to see better.
Speaker 4: You're right, I'll talk for a while.
Speaker 1: Uh so, But and he does recognize that it's the
Speaker 1: way it comes out of his mouth, like he was
Speaker 1: saying in the first terminator that, James Cameron, it makes
Speaker 1: it sounds better when I say I will be back, yeah,
Speaker 1: and instead of I'll be back, and he's had he
Speaker 1: didn't feel right in his mouth, and James Cameron said, okay,
Speaker 1: how would you say? Heyes, I will be back. James
Speaker 1: Cameron goes no, to say I'll be back, and he
Speaker 1: goes okay, well, and then it becomes one of those
Speaker 1: iconic lines. And if if clinice Wood says that possibly,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but but probably not. Nah, it becomes
Speaker 1: it is it is the delivery.
Speaker 4: But what does husta levista mean?
Speaker 1: Well? What I love about this is they I think
Speaker 1: it's and I have no idea what the thinking behind
Speaker 1: I don't remember anyone before this saying hustles the baby
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 4: Is it a different language?
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's Spanish, Spanish vista. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you see what I mean about John Connor's dialogue
Speaker 4: being written by Bart Simpson. That was all those phrases
Speaker 4: that he was just saying.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I reckon what I What
Speaker 1: I think is I'm glad they didn't go like there's
Speaker 1: a version of this where he says, don't have a
Speaker 1: cow man. Oh you know where the really time stamps
Speaker 1: it ninety one or you know, like late eighties. Even so,
Speaker 1: because nobody, to my recollection, was saying Huster Li vis
Speaker 1: the Baby before this, it kind of it's its own thing,
Speaker 1: and it becomes tied to this movie as opposed to
Speaker 1: tied to nineteen ninety one, and I think that's I
Speaker 1: don't know how intentional it was. I'm not sure why
Speaker 1: they chose has to Vista Baby.
Speaker 4: Was he trying to replicate? Do you think was he
Speaker 4: trying to replicate the success of.
Speaker 1: I'll Be back? Well, I guess this is what Arnie's
Speaker 1: kind of saying. He's kind of saying that you don't
Speaker 1: you never know, Like when you watch these movies, you
Speaker 1: always think, oh, they must know that that bit was
Speaker 1: going to be in the trailer, or that bit was
Speaker 1: going to be the thing that Yeah, but a lot
Speaker 1: of these lines, like Kindergarten Copy says, you know it's
Speaker 1: not a tumor, Like why is how's it's I kind
Speaker 1: of because it sounds like he's a big, massive Austrian dude.
Speaker 4: That's very true. Like it's more here it's received than
Speaker 4: how it's given. I mean, and it's a context.
Speaker 1: It's often the context around it, Like you know, I
Speaker 1: imagine if if it just has a little vista in
Speaker 1: the car and then it doesn't come back as a
Speaker 1: callback later on when I think he takes it.
Speaker 4: It's right, it's the kill shot, it's the cool.
Speaker 1: So it's tied in this comedic moment, and then it's
Speaker 1: tied into this you know, this clima climactic moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it is a callback line to that,
Speaker 4: to that first moment. I think maybe I think maybe
Speaker 4: they knew what they were trying to do with it.
Speaker 4: I think they were like, this is going to be
Speaker 4: the cool moment he says this cool line before he
Speaker 4: does this cool thing. But I don't think they had
Speaker 4: any idea of how big it was going to go,
Speaker 4: because this franchise has you know, hustle evista, I'll be
Speaker 4: back and come with me if you want to live,
Speaker 4: which is three really famous Hollywood quotes.
Speaker 1: Even give me your when he when he first enters
Speaker 1: the pub, you know, and give me your I want
Speaker 1: your jacket, Yeah, your boots, your jacket, and your motorcycle.
Speaker 4: I'm still obsessed with Bill Paxton's He's a few can
Speaker 4: short of a six pack line.
Speaker 1: For the first time.
Speaker 4: It's just the cheesiest dialogue.
Speaker 1: But I love it. Yeah, yeah, what do we think
Speaker 1: of the ending? I do love when he takes out
Speaker 1: the you know, when he explodes, because you always got
Speaker 1: to have the villain that you think is is basically unkillable.
Speaker 1: You've gotta have the moment where you think they're dead.
Speaker 1: And this was a really good moment where you kind
Speaker 1: of go, even though we've seen the metal kind of
Speaker 1: like marry up with each other and kind of rejoin.
Speaker 1: Is terrifying when you first see that happened, and then
Speaker 1: again you're going, well, they're not. How can they even
Speaker 1: though you know subconsciously that Arnie's going to win the day,
Speaker 1: of course, but you kind of got that, well, they can't.
Speaker 1: You can't be because this keeps regenerating.
Speaker 4: It's it's interesting because when the first one he dies
Speaker 4: three times and then when you see the light go out,
Speaker 4: you know he's dead. This one, I was like, I
Speaker 4: would have thought liquid nitrogen would destroy melted metal, whereas
Speaker 4: the way to kill melted metal was to put him
Speaker 4: in fire. That was what will confuse me. And even
Speaker 4: when the t one thousands lowered in, well it was
Speaker 4: thrown into the whatever you call it fire.
Speaker 1: And he's like a monster.
Speaker 4: He's squealing like a monster. He's transforming back into these
Speaker 4: other characters.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 4: That was really cool. I was really impressed by that.
Speaker 4: I thought it was funny, just the dramatic tension of
Speaker 4: lowering Arnie in with the thumbs up instead of just
Speaker 4: like putting Mavy's misery and pushing him straight in, like
Speaker 4: he didn't have to go through this whole process of
Speaker 4: doing it slowly. It was It was nice to know
Speaker 4: that the guy's you know, he's dead.
Speaker 1: All that.
Speaker 4: I thought it was an interesting way to do it.
Speaker 4: And I still don't fully understand the logic of how
Speaker 4: that killed him, but nothing else does, but movies, you know, movies, movies,
Speaker 4: movies don't need to explain it.
Speaker 1: I did love when he when he when he got hard,
Speaker 1: as far as when the liquid ndage and turned into
Speaker 1: whatever it turns you toe freezes him. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: walking was and like breaking he bits, breaking off him.
Speaker 1: I thought was still looks so good. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: just so well done. Yeah, that I don't think got
Speaker 1: enough credit for its visual effects. So that moment is
Speaker 1: when you are kind of thought, Okay, they've taken this
Speaker 1: is it feels like they've you know, they've gone through
Speaker 1: the ringer enough. He can probably satisfyct. Yeah, I'll be satisfied.
Speaker 1: He's dead now. Yeah, And then of course what I
Speaker 1: mean is he then of course comes back and you're
Speaker 1: going to go, Okay, it's not over yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought I thought it was. And even when
Speaker 4: Artie's being pulled up and he gets the killing blow on.
Speaker 1: Him and his arm gets crushed in the rush. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's a robo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, still in pain watching that.
Speaker 1: Some fun facts before we before we wrap up, Billy
Speaker 1: Idol was was almost going to play the T one
Speaker 1: thousand broke his leg I think in a motorcycle accident.
Speaker 1: Very fitting. Yes, So maybe maybe it's best.
Speaker 4: That would have been a good man because we maybe
Speaker 4: said sting potentially for Kyle Reese in the first thing.
Speaker 1: That's right, So James Kemon must have a bit of
Speaker 1: a vibe going with some of those musicos from the eighties.
Speaker 1: Donald dan Stand weren't the only twins used in this movie.
Speaker 1: Linda Hamilton has a twin. No way, the name's Leslie Hamilton,
Speaker 1: something about the naming of twins, and she plays Sarah
Speaker 1: when the T one thousand is impersonating her.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 4: So are they identical? They have to be, They must
Speaker 4: be so identical.
Speaker 1: I think the lesson is, if you're planning on the
Speaker 1: stunts and special effects, find and acted with a twin,
Speaker 1: do you have a twin?
Speaker 4: No, that's the problem. That's why my career is going
Speaker 4: shocking right now. Although John Connor's stunt double when he's
Speaker 4: on the motorbike, I pause. It is obviously a forty
Speaker 4: five year old male.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of times. There's a few times be Ago,
Speaker 1: that's not Arnie or yeah, Edward Furlong.
Speaker 4: That was. There's not too many ten year old stunt
Speaker 4: riders out there, so of course they had to they
Speaker 4: had to change that around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they might be my fun facts.
Speaker 4: I had a couple this time, but yeah, the the
Speaker 4: fun fact from the first one was blew my mind.
Speaker 4: That OJ was approached to play the terminator that's still
Speaker 4: like even in the sequel now ninety one, Like it
Speaker 4: just doesn't work. It's so it has to be Nie.
Speaker 4: There's no recasting for this film.
Speaker 1: In my mind, it's so funny when you the film
Speaker 1: becomes iconic and then you learn about the actors that
Speaker 1: could have played, and you know, and you're going to go,
Speaker 1: how could they ever even thought of that O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpson as the Terminator even outside of the murkiness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the murder AJ was responsible for the just the
Speaker 1: idea that that was the popular footballer of the day
Speaker 1: would be the best person you've cast. And like, this
Speaker 1: doesn't get past Terminator if AJ's playing, Absolutely not.
Speaker 4: And cinema is never the same. Yeah, it's never the same.
Speaker 4: The future was so you were saying that I think
Speaker 4: it's this year James Cameron gets the rights back to
Speaker 4: the franchise.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm But I also heard that he
Speaker 1: may have consulted on I think one of the last
Speaker 1: term it was watching the other ones, three or four more, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is salvation. Was that the reboot with Christian Bale
Speaker 1: famously had that rant that was released. Yeah, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not very good. It's not very good. And there was
Speaker 1: one the more Genesis it always has.
Speaker 4: It brought Linda back, Yeah, and it was trailer for it.
Speaker 1: It was Calisi Clark.
Speaker 4: As a young Sarah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought she was actually I remember. I think
Speaker 1: she was a pretty good job.
Speaker 4: I think they made a TV show on it as well.
Speaker 1: The TV show, Yeah, I believe, because there was one
Speaker 1: that any kind of reappears or they use him the
Speaker 1: old Luke Skywalker trick trick, but but I think he
Speaker 1: actually has he has played the Terminator in one of
Speaker 1: the recent ones, but.
Speaker 4: A dark fate or something.
Speaker 1: I think it was cool, yes, yeah, yeah, but nothing's
Speaker 1: as good Terminated two stands, you know, even including the
Speaker 1: first film says above and beyond, it's all of them.
Speaker 4: As as its own film, not just as a sequel,
Speaker 4: I mean as its own film. It stands above so many.
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful I got to watch it and baffled
Speaker 4: that it took me this long to watch it. But
Speaker 4: I had to see the first one. That's sort of
Speaker 4: the rules. I always try and watch things chronologically, but
Speaker 4: that yeah, I've rewatched it three times since we did
Speaker 4: the first one. I'm just it's such a good film.
Speaker 4: It is just a good action film.
Speaker 1: I remember when I watched it a few nights ago,
Speaker 1: I was a bit snowed under, and I though I
Speaker 1: Watchinator two and I knew it was longer than two hours.
Speaker 1: And then it was like it happened so quickly, just
Speaker 1: melted into it and kind of done. How goods this?
Speaker 1: Which actually happens a lot with this podcast. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I will I will kind of go, oh, okay, I
Speaker 1: need this, you know, because it's usually a couple of
Speaker 1: hours watching a film, and then even a couple of
Speaker 1: hours you know, look crazy. This is your job looking
Speaker 1: over stuff.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, and I have to watch this movie for work,
Speaker 4: I know, I and I and I love.
Speaker 1: It like it's it's it's the thing of kind of
Speaker 1: going Sometimes when I go to a gig, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I e skick and I'm going to go at it.
Speaker 1: And then as soon as you're either driving there or
Speaker 1: about to go and stay age, you like, how goods is?
Speaker 1: How good is this? So mate? Thank you? It does
Speaker 1: coming home work. You've done it twice now I won't
Speaker 1: make you come back for the other terminated films because
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they live in the same classic
Speaker 1: status three. We'll book it in my congratulations today, I
Speaker 1: think we just found out that Hatchback, your short film
Speaker 1: that we spoke a little bit about last Time of
Speaker 1: Year on, has been nominated for an actor Yes, for
Speaker 1: Best Short Film. Congratulations pretty huge.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty very impressed, very very proud of grateful for
Speaker 4: that opportunity.
Speaker 1: Our good friend Stephen Curry is alsoing that where can
Speaker 1: people find it?
Speaker 4: If you have an Actor membership, you can view it
Speaker 4: through the Active web page. It isn't released publicly yet
Speaker 4: but will be once it's finished its festival circuit. But
Speaker 4: if you are an active member you can watch it
Speaker 4: and vote.
Speaker 1: For it too. I believe fantastic. So vote for Hatchback.
Speaker 1: Support all the guests that come on this podcast because
Speaker 1: they come after doing their homework, and you have done
Speaker 1: it in spades. Jackson Toza, thanks.
Speaker 4: Mate, No, thank you very much for having me back,
Speaker 4: for letting me come in spades.
Speaker 1: Oh here we go again, crass, there we go. The
Speaker 1: Terminator done, like I said, But we don't need to
Speaker 1: come back to do the rest of the Terminator franchise
Speaker 1: at this stage. But who knows what is in store
Speaker 1: with the future of that franchise. I want to thank
Speaker 1: Jackson once again for coming in and doing that bloke
Speaker 1: and also a fine, fine actor who's just getting hired
Speaker 1: and hired and hired, and I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: what his career, what it looks like over it. You
Speaker 1: know that many many, many many years. Derek Meyers is
Speaker 1: from Casaway Studios dot com and this is where we record.
Speaker 1: You ain't seen nothing yet in the heart of Collingwood,
Speaker 1: just a stone throw away from Smith Street. And Derek,
Speaker 1: surely you're a big T two fan.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, Yeah, that scary Mercury guy m and the way
Speaker 10: it was used was the harbinger of the future. The
Speaker 10: future was here when I saw that film, went right,
Speaker 10: it's here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like that, didn't it, And it was.
Speaker 1: I think it was ahead of its time. I think
Speaker 1: it's aged so well. I mean outside of you know,
Speaker 1: the occasional haircut from you know, you know, the local
Speaker 1: tufts and then the odd marlot there here and there.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it doesn't look like a film
Speaker 1: that's you know now over you know, nearly twenty five
Speaker 1: years old. It's well nearly thirty years old. Actually, jeez,
Speaker 1: time flies when you're terminating Okay, So if you're supporting
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Speaker 1: and Derek, I believe Christine has sent us an email
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 10: Yep, go on here from Christine. It says, dear Pete,
Speaker 10: thank you for a terrific podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Christine.
Speaker 10: It's very enjoyable and I love listening to your episodes
Speaker 10: whilst spending time in my happy place, which is my
Speaker 10: sewing room.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 1: I love the thought of Christine in the sewing room
Speaker 1: listening to our podcast.
Speaker 10: That is that is really sweet, especially last year when
Speaker 10: in Lockdown those other days. I really enjoyed your recent
Speaker 10: episode with Clear Boditch reviewing the film Rocky.
Speaker 1: Great episode and great guests. Hopefully we get Clear back
Speaker 1: soon to do Rocky too. The way Jackson came back
Speaker 1: to do Terminator two Judgment day and you really really
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. I had great feedback on that one. Claire
Speaker 1: was such a thoughtful guest, and really I can't think
Speaker 1: of many episodes of the podcast, Derek that it almost
Speaker 1: had like it felt like it almost had a profound
Speaker 1: effect Unclaire, like the way she had in her own
Speaker 1: head had perhaps judged Sylvestis Stallone and you know, and
Speaker 1: then almost completely reframed Sevesis Delone in her eyes. It
Speaker 1: was surprising and really lovely.
Speaker 10: It was great to witness. And Christine goes on and says,
Speaker 10: I have a couple of suggestions for you. Consider Number
Speaker 10: one The Great Escape Steve McQueen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is certainly on the list, and I would
Speaker 1: love one of my favorite films, and I would love
Speaker 1: to do The Great Escape with somebody.
Speaker 10: Number two Ryan's Daughter, and number three Lawrence of Arabia.
Speaker 1: Or epics, a couple of epics. All good films, all
Speaker 1: good films, and yeah, we will put certainly The Great
Speaker 1: Escape and Lawrence of Arabia on the list. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if Ryan's daughter is on the list, but I
Speaker 1: happily put that on there. Their oldies, but goodies. As
Speaker 1: Christine says, thank you, Christine Fox, thank you for listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast. Next week on the show Comedy Icon,
Speaker 1: Glenn Robbins, And so we leave old Pete
Speaker 6: Safe and soult and to our friends of the radio audience,
Speaker 6: we've been a pleasant good night.