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Speaker 1: Now we know Parliament resumes in the Northern Territory today

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Speaker 1: with the rollout of OC Spray getting underway yesterday and

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Speaker 2: While we've just heard.

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Speaker 1: About the major gas facility in Darwin that's been leaking

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Speaker 1: Meet Dane for nearly two decades now. The Chief Minister, Leafanocchiaro,

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Speaker 1: joins us on the line. Good morning to your Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, first off, we saw the rollout of OC spray

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Speaker 1: yesterday for self defense and protection from licensed firearm dealers.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be tried for twelve months now. Any

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Speaker 1: update on how that first day went, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was a really good day, Katie. And actually I

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for doing this, We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: So the police are giving a little update this morning,

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Speaker 3: but basically we've sold territory wide. There's been about two

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Speaker 3: so you can see it's you know, people in a

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Speaker 3: And we've had the police have very quickly identified four

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Speaker 1: Any idea whether it's more sort of female or males

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Speaker 3: Ah, I don't actually have any feedback on that, but

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Speaker 1: I know, we've had a group of organizations that have

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Speaker 3: This is about self defense, So our self defense laws

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Speaker 3: again we're not reinventing the wheels here. WA has very

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Speaker 1: I mean, even within some organizations, it seems like there's disagreements.

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Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, I mean, the thing is we've spoken over

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Speaker 1: To I'm certainly not an expert when it comes to

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Speaker 1: All Right, I know that there were some significant announcements

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Speaker 1: Just on that Bush Summit that was held yesterday, there

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Speaker 3: I completely agree with him, and when we're talking to

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minister, I know you pressed for time.

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Speaker 2: The moment when it comes to crime.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, But your question was are there more resources

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minister Leah Fanocciaro, we better leave it there.

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Speaker 1: We'll let you go get into Parliament. Thanks for your

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Take care of me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,