WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - Is it an ick, or is it your unconscious bias? 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.840 Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.600 were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:10.360 past and present, Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.000 This episode was recorded on gaddigal Land. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.000 Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:26.520 on Cut. I'm Laura and. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.600 I am producer Keisha, filling in for Britt who has 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:30.920 gone on our break. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.479 We should be on holidays, Laura, Britney is having the 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.919 holiday that we were supposed to have, but we are 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.600 here because someone's going to hold the food down, because 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.080 some what is to hold it up? Who knows what 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:40.520 we're doing. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.160 Yeah, we are going away this week though. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.159 I'm going away on my honeymoon for five days, but 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.159 I'm also taking a kid, so it's technically not a 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.360 honeymoon and just a holiday. I'm also taking my sister 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.680 and her husband because it's her fortieth birthday, and we 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.640 decided to kind of join the two things together. We 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:57.920 were like, we can't do two holidays. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.680 I love how you say we because I know your family. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.800 We actually had Marley May's birthday party on the weekend 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.760 and you too, Kisha. I was talking to her about it, 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.800 and she was like, yeah, no, Laura kind of positioned 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.920 it to me like we should go on a holiday 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.080 to celebrate your fortieth And then I found out it 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:13.840 was her honeymoon. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:17.840 Do you know what? I think the more the merrier, 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:19.600 But I'm sure Matt would like to be having a 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.759 lot of sex on this holiday. And the vibes I'm 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.080 getting from the amount of people that are staying in 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.840 our one room is that not much is happening. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:27.720 Way you're all in the one room. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.679 We're all in the one house. Oh so different bits 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.520 like they've got their own room, but like it's you know, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.080 we're all together one being happy. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.399 Family could end up working out because like you could 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.960 kind of take it in tag team looking after the kids, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:40.560 but yeah. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.479 I don't want to take air of four kids on 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:44.440 You kind of got to give and take with that one. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.920 And Keisha is heading off next week. She's actually heading 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.000 off on the weekend on her very first overseas holiday 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.600 with her new boyfriend, Toblroone. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.240 Yes, I'm going to Europe. So this actually kind of 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.640 happened a little bit by coincidence. And I know that 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.560 people would say that if they were trying to defend 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.520 the fact that they were in a brand new relationship 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.280 and already going on and overseas holiday together. But I 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.480 had said the whole year that I wanted to go 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.480 to Europe to celebrate my thirtieth birthday. But I had 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.320 to do it when we had time off of you know, 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.200 when you guys had a break from the radio. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.640 Because we can't be left to do podcasting by ourselves 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.080 with al Keisha's constant guidance is basically the reality of it. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.080 Thanky that validates me, that makes me feel quite wanted. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.359 As it turns out, he had the exact same two 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.399 weeks off. He had planned on going to Europe as well, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:27.480 and so it kind of got to the point where 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.760 I was like, why don't we just hang out over there? 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:30.640 And then. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.960 We just bought tickets together and now we're doing everything together. Hey, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:36.720 what point did you guys? So how long have you 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:42.000 been boyfriend and girlfriend for? I don't know, like not long, 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.720 less than three months holiday. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.639 I spoke about it on the podcast as it was happening, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.760 Like usually when things happened in our personal life, we 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.760 give it a bit of breathing room. No no, no, no. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.440 Straight In the defense you're going to be talked about publicly. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.760 So he responded well to it, though he booked a holiday. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:03.200 I mean, some might think that this is very quick. Yeah, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.000 Others might think it's the perfect speed. It's a holiday, 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:07.160 what could possibly go wrong? 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.480 Look, I don't disagree with the fact that's happening very quickly, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.480 but I feel, like I said, from the start, it's 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.240 the calmest and least anxious I've ever felt at the 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.360 start of a relationship, which I think is a really 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.880 really good sign. And I think it's a sign of 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.760 personal growth because previously I was really attracted to the drama, 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.840 and I was really attracted to the like what I 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.639 used to call butterflies. It turns out that was actually anxiety. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.200 It's actually anxiety because a lot of them were the 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:33.880 best people. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.080 I also love how many people would be listening to 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.040 this and being like, yeah, I've been there as well. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.200 Gal, Yeah, you gotta admit it. You gotta admit it 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.640 to yourself first when you're like I am attracted to 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.360 some pretty toxic behaviors and. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.600 Then you get into a seemingly normal and healthy relationship 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.800 and you're like, oh, this is what it's meant to 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.240 feel like this is normal, which if you haven't done 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.440 the self work, you would think was just boring. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.760 Well, I had actually genuinely thought a lot of people 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.280 had said to me like, when it's the right one, 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.480 and I'm not saying that this necessarily is, but it 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:07.200 definitely they say, when it's the right one, it'll feel 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.040 so calm and it will be so easy. And I 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.480 was like, yeah, I mean, that's nice for you to say, 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.920 but I personally feel as though I have literally worked 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.000 for absolutely everything that I've got in my life. Like 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.920 I feel as though I've kind of had to jump 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.679 some hurdles to get whatever I've wanted in my career 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.160 and my education, Like whatever it might be, it wouldn't 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:27.719 be a surprise to me that I would also have 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.280 to work a little bit for a relationship that was 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:30.840 a good one. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.520 What some of you guys might not know is like 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.800 when Keisha actually joined our team and became the producer 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.280 of Life on Cut. Keisha was a listener and she 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.840 emailed us out of nowhere and was like, Hey, I 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.920 know that Laura, you're going to be having a baby soon. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:44.800 I've been listening to the pod and I was pregnant 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:46.760 with Lola, and at the time, I was doing all 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.080 the editing for the episodes, and Keisha was basically just like, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.200 I will help you. Let me be a part of this. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.039 And then nobody replied to her straight away because you 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.359 were too busy. And then she wrote another email and 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.920 then another email, and I was like, persistence really does 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.240 pay off. And then obviously the rest is history. We 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.320 met and she's amazing. But I can absolutely test to 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.280 the fact that you were somebody who really goes after 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.240 what you want in life. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.320 I was encouraged by a friend to be that way, 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.560 and I really appreciate that she did that because it 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.640 wasn't like in my personality type to kind of keep persisting, 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.280 Like I was like, I don't want to annoy them, 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.680 you know, blah blah blah. But it did work out 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.880 for me. And also I struck while the iron was hot, 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.400 and I was like, hey, I know that, like there 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.719 are people who can edit podcast there's a bunch of 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.400 people who can edit podcasts. But I have a lot 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:34.839 of similarities with you guys. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.880 I'm also slightly insane and I reckon we'll get along great, 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.480 and you're like, I can be a dog sitter all 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:42.840 the things that you do that are extras. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.640 Yeah, now I'm coming on your honeymoon, Laura. I actually 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.359 did something really fucking stupid. Have you ever ruined a 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.960 TV show for someone without meaning to? Like? I know 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.640 some people deliberately drop spoilers and they kind of act 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.120 like assholes. This was an accidental one, But have you 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:57.720 ever done it? 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.360 I can't know. Nothing comes to mind, like, I don't 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.560 think I've intentionally ever done it. I'm sure I've done 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.080 it with Matt many a times where I've been like, 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.520 oh my god, did you see this? And He's like, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:06.640 what the fuck is wrong with you? 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.520 So I did it really really badly for one of 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.320 our life as the other day. So I was messaging 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.880 a girl named Molly on the Life on Cut Instagram. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.120 She might not have actually known that it was me 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.200 that she was messaging, because it can be any of us. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.960 And we were talking about anxiety, and then she kind 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.040 of led into something and the last bit of her 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.880 message said maybe watching too much true crime and Blacklist. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.839 Blacklist is a show on Netflix. It's got eight seasons 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.200 of the show, right, and there's like twenty something episodes 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.799 per season, so there's a lot of content in my family, 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.159 it's the one show that every single one of us watch, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.799 so we text about it in the group chat whenever 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.720 new episodes are out, and we kind of discuss it 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.320 and one of the characters in the show, it's a 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.720 little bit of a like who are they really scenario 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.640 and that plays out over the entire course of the show. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:07:01.000 And I naively assume that because she'd mentioned she must 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.600 know the answer she has the ending. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.720 Oh, dear, so why I sent a message and I said, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.880 can I ask? Because I fight about this with my family? 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.400 Do you think X character I'm not gonna give it. 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.240 I'm not gonna do it to more people seeing the 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.840 vodka Now, if this is how Life Unkart got canceled, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:18.280 do you think. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:24.440 Character X is why? And I said, I fight about 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.440 this with my family, this is what my brother thinks, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.160 this is what my sister in law thinks. Blah blah, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.360 blah blah blah. And she's shotten back. She's like, you're 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.040 actually probably way ahead of me. I'm only in season one, 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.160 but I can ask my mom. 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.200 Because she's up to date. Bless. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.360 I'm so sorry, Molly, I really fucked it for you. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.400 I've just ruined another seven seasons of content for you. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.040 Do you think she's gonna like, want to watch it now? 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.400 Or do you think that that's it done? Is there 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.000 any point if you know the ending? Well, I mean 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:55.040 to be fair, you don't know the ending. You don't necessarily, but. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.400 You've got a big hint as to what I think 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.920 the character is or who I think the character. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:01.960 I think that there's a lesson that we can all 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.680 learn in this, and that it's never assumed because it 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:05.640 makes an ass of you and me. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.160 Yeah, I'm really bad for that ruined, Like genuinely, I 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.240 don't know how many hundreds of hours of content I've 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:12.040 just ruined for you. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.920 We are going to answer some pretty actually, I really 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.800 love today's questions for asking cut anyone who's written in 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.000 a question, thank you. We have maybe four, who knows 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.320 what we got time for really good questions. Before we 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.320 get into that, I wanted to bring up something which 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.760 was I think such a feel good article that's been 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.680 going around a feel good moment, if you will, and 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.720 that is to do with Lewis Capaldi. I'm sure Britt 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.480 will be so jealous because she is truly obsessed with 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.120 this man, and it's to do with his performance at 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.200 the Glastonbury Festival on last weekend. You may be across this, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.080 but Lewis Capaldi he has taken some time off recently, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.280 off performing because he has and suffers with Tourette syndrome. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.040 Now he also was taking time off for his own 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.520 mental health that he made the commitment that he was 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.439 going to come back and perform at Glastonbury. He did 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.360 that on the weekend, and halfway through his performance he 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.920 stopped and said, everyone, I'm in my voice a little 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.319 bit here, and by that what actually was happening was 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.080 that his tics were becoming too profound for him to 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.319 be able to mask them and to stop them from 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.360 coming out. He asked the audience to support him and 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.120 to like sing the songs as loudly as they possibly could, 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.080 to sing along with him, and there was this really 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.800 beautiful moment of almost like camaraderie of the audience, this 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.760 entire huge stadium lifting him up. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.000 See. I didn't know that he had asked I didn't 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.360 see in the video that he had asked them to sing, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.120 So I thought, I mean, Lewis has been really open 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.080 about his turettes. He's done a Netflix documentary. I know, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.080 I also listened to an episode of him on the 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.360 podcast The Diary of a CEO where he was really 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.560 I know this word gets thrown around so much, but 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.680 very candid about it. He kind of just was like, Hey, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.160 this is what it is, and it scares the shit 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:45.680 out of me that this is going to get worse 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.880 as I get older. He's only like twenty six years old, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.840 like he's quite young to be at the level that 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.959 he is out of stardom. I didn't realize he had 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.400 indicated to the crowd that that's what was going on. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.680 I thought that they just, you know, everyone kind of 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.240 knows about this. If you're watching Louie Capaldi perform, you've 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.120 probably either seen the documentary or heard about it at least. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.400 So I thought the crowd kind of just like, hey, 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.560 we know what's going on. Let us be a part 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:10.960 of this and let us like lift you. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.360 So what he said was, I'm going to be honest everybody, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.200 but I'm starting to lose my voice up here, but 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:16.640 we're going to keep on going and we're going to 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.440 go on to the end. I just need you all 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.160 to sing with me as loud as you can, if 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.319 that's okay, And I just think honestly, sometimes I get 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:24.880 on here and I have a ran, but I just 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.120 thought this was such a beautiful moment. And one of 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.200 the things I loved about this. Now there's other parts 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.559 we're going to unpack in a second, but one of 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.640 the things I loved about this is that for me 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.880 growing up, and I think when I was in my 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.120 early twenties, the only reference I had to Turett syndrome 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.480 at the time, the very first time it ever came 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.560 into my understanding in my psyche was off the back 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.320 of Juice Bigelow. I don't know if you guys even 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.080 remember that movie. It was a complete comedy skit. One 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.880 of the characters in the movie had Turett's and it 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.200 was making fun of the condition. And I think that 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.160 was the very first time that I knew it even existed. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.719 I knew what ticks were, but I didn't know that 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.000 there was actual name for having turettes. Now, to see 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.880 someone who is so incredible and who is so accomplished 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.040 and is so widely loved being able to stand up 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.600 there on stage and say this is me. And even 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.680 though he wasn't a period of bad mental health and 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.800 he was taking time off because his ticks were becoming 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.840 more profound and they have been impacting his ability to perform. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.520 He still was like, I'm going to do this and 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.440 wasn't able to make it through the entire show without 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.360 that becoming present, and instead of him walking off or 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.560 making an excuse or not, you know, actualizing it head on, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.079 he was able to really address that. And I think 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.200 it really reflects just how much platforming people who have 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.720 neuroadavergencies and representation is becoming way more visible. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.400 I think they do say that ticks for people who 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.880 stuffer with tourettes, they get a lot more severe when 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.480 you're in periods of like high anxiety or excitement or 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.480 basically anything that would be to do with performing. It 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:57.920 actually makes me question how much was he struggling before 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.800 the whole world knew about this. That they can go 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.240 up and down with the severity of them. But he's 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.840 been performing for years, and I wonder how long he 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.719 actually suffered silently. Do you know what, I would be 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.560 very interested to know if he kept it a secret 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.880 because of record labels, because if you are signing an 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.120 artist that you know is likely not going to be 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.400 able to perform live shows in X amount of years 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.360 because of a condition that they have no control over 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.480 that there is currently no cure over. Did he keep 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.000 this quiet? I'm not saying he kept it a secret, 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.439 but did he not speak about it as publicly in 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.880 fear of Well, this could really impact my career because 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.080 most of the money that artists make four record labels 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.640 comes off of the back of live performing. And I 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.200 think that's very interesting to consider. I'm not saying that 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:44.959 that's necessarily the case. I don't even know who he 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.840 signed with, but I think it's a question that would 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.960 be very interesting to ask an artist who had tarets 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.400 that was more up and coming, Hey, are you going 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.040 to speak about this publicly because you could risk actually 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:58.080 not getting signed? Yeah. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.360 And I think there would be so many reasons why 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.880 people who have different neurological conditions choose to keep it 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.440 to themselves. One of them is just for their own privacy. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.400 I don't think it necessarily has to be because they 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.440 feel as though that their career would be impacted, although 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.679 I'm not saying I do think that would absolutely be 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.559 a motivating factor. But what this does is having the 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.200 visibility on such a humongous scale, having someone stand out 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.000 there and say I have turets, this is what I 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.360 struggle with in my life. For me, I just think 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.240 about what that does for all the kids out there 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.120 who have that, who struggle with that, who get bullied 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.599 in school because their peers don't have the tolerance or 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.000 the understanding, And I just think about what that's going 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.200 to do in the long term. However, I also and 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.040 I mean, let's not focus on the negatives, but I 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:42.800 want to bring out something that you said when I 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.640 was talking to you about this Keiche. There has been 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.480 this outpouring on social media on Twitter of people saying 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.400 how brave he is for standing up there and doing this, 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.680 how incredible it is, what a moment in time, what 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.280 this is doing, and what it's going to achieve for 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.679 mental health and for representation of people who have turets. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.280 You brought up a really great point on this casion. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.679 I was like, yeah, I fucking agree. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:05.520 And I was a little bit. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.080 I was literally like I don't want to ride on 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:09.920 your parade because I was like, this is so beautiful. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.280 It almost made me cry when I first read it, 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:12.920 because I was like, good, I'm so glad that this 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.640 has happened for him, and I'm glad that the response 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.280 was so positive. But you're I mean, you had a 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:19.080 really great take on it. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.760 Look, I do agree wholeheartedly. I think it was a 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.920 beautiful display of humanity and kindness, and that's not exactly 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.800 what I think it was. I think it was kindness 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.680 that people were like, we recognize what's going on, let's 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.880 do this together. God, I feel like such a negative 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.720 Nancy saying this. Some of the comments I thought were 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.560 very patronizing, Hannah, and I think that there is definitely 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.640 an element of ableism. I mean, I think a lot 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.200 of the comments that were coming across social media TikTok, quit, Instagram, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.040 they were well intended, and I very much recognized that 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.720 these people are thinking that they're saying something with a 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.080 lot of kindness, but I think there is an element 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.880 of patronizing language to it. Some examples, what he has 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.040 done for awareness, he has put his career on the line. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.000 He's my hero. He gave it to go, well done. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.640 He did not give it a go. He is a superstar. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.600 He knows exactly how to do his career. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.280 I get what they mean. I get that they're like, 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.320 this is really fucking courageous because if I were in 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.240 that position, I don't know if I would do that. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.040 I don't know if I would have the courage to 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.560 do that where I could potentially be in a position 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.440 where I'm not able to do my job and there 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.440 are millions of people watching me do that. I don't 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.840 know if I'm courageous enough to do that. But I 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.760 just think we've got to be really careful with the 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.800 language that we use when we talk about disability. And 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.640 I mean I speak about this as someone who doesn't 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.880 suffer from a disability. Some of the comments I read, 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.880 I was just a bit like, Oh, I don't know 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.800 how I'd feel if that was me reading that. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.520 Well. I also think when I read them, I was like, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.720 sometimes it infantizes. Sometimes it's like you did so well, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.640 well done, so brave. And I guess the point to 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.040 this is, wouldn't it be nice to get to a 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.240 point in society where somebody stands up on stay Age 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.440 has Turette's has an episode where there in the middle 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.640 of a song and they experience ticks, and it's not 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.880 seen as brave. It's seen as that's normal, that's okay 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.240 for them, and yes, maybe it falters their voice the 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.320 song's not exactly how it would be on the album, 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.960 all that sort of stuff, but it's not seen as 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:20.320 bravery by representing themselves and being able to be who 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.000 they are, it's still instills that there is some shame, 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.240 that there is some stigma. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:26.280 Completely and that's what I mean because it is a 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.360 dudble edged sword. So it's like you're brave being you, 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.800 but like, we don't get to the point of complete 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.880 acceptance and this being normalized more words that are used 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.680 way too much, but we don't get to that point 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.840 unless we see videos like this, So I do understand 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.200 me kind of saying there's another way that you can 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.360 view the commentary around this. It's a little bit of 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.080 like stuck between a rock and a hard place, because 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.760 how do we get to that point without the visibility, 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.920 But we need to praise the visibility for more people 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.880 to feel comfortable coming out and doing it. So it's 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.800 like it's it's a kind of I just it feels 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.520 a little murky to me. And I think he is 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.400 so incredible. I think he is one of the best 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.640 singer song that I've ever listened to. He did put 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.760 a big statement out on Instagram. I'm not going to 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.080 read the whole thing because it's quite long, but if 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.560 you want to check it out, it's on his Instagram 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.360 at Lewis Capaldi. One of the lines and it said, Look, 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.240 the fact that this probably won't come as a surprise 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.480 doesn't make it any easier to write. But I'm very 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.280