Speaker 1: Get a pete here before we get started on today's episode.
Speaker 1: If you ain't Seen Nothing Yet, I just want to
Speaker 1: point out that this episode was recorded later last year,
Speaker 1: so there is a bit of COVID stuff. Obviously the
Speaker 1: world's changed even a bit more since then. But also
Speaker 1: the reason I make this point is this was before
Speaker 1: the passing of meat Loaf, who passed away earlier this year.
Speaker 2: He does come up.
Speaker 1: Obviously, he's a big part of the movie we're discussing today,
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to point to.
Speaker 2: That and enjoy the episode.
Speaker 1: Welcome to You and Seen Nothing Yet the movie podcast
Speaker 1: where I chat to a movie lover about a classic
Speaker 1: or loved the movie they haven't quite got around to
Speaker 1: watching until now, and today's guests broadcaster writer Kate Laanebrook.
Speaker 3: The first full of Flake Club is we do not
Speaker 3: talk about Blake, No advias.
Speaker 4: You read you brought my heart, Hi ad my your luck,
Speaker 4: mister bom.
Speaker 2: Dreams haven't right now?
Speaker 5: Do you see nothing here?
Speaker 2: Her appearances on the panel were legendary.
Speaker 1: It always had people chatting around the water cooler the
Speaker 1: next day, and more recently, we've loved having her on
Speaker 1: the project as a regular. Now she finds herself on
Speaker 1: Kiss FM for the afternoon drop off for Monty Diamond
Speaker 1: and Umi Stein's. Kate is a wonderful wordsmith and has
Speaker 1: put those words into a new book called chow Bala
Speaker 1: about her family stream holiday staycation in Italy which turned
Speaker 1: into maybe a less dreamlike lockdown situation as the penandemic
Speaker 1: came a knocking. Kate is warm, humane, a freethinker, keenly perceptive,
Speaker 1: and one of the greats.
Speaker 2: And I'm bloody stoked to be hanging with her today.
Speaker 6: Hello, I'm kateline Brook and my three favorite films are
Speaker 6: The Sound of Music, a Dogma film called Feston, and
Speaker 6: The Godfather.
Speaker 2: I want to make them a laugh again with you.
Speaker 6: But until two nights ago, I had never seen Fight Club.
Speaker 5: People are always asking me if I know Taylor Durden.
Speaker 3: Three minutes, this is it ground zero. Would like to
Speaker 3: say a few words to my defication.
Speaker 5: With a gun barrel between your teeth, you speak only
Speaker 5: in vowels. I can't think of anything for a second.
Speaker 5: I totally forget about Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing, and
Speaker 5: I wonder how clean.
Speaker 3: That gun is getting Exciting now.
Speaker 5: That old saying how you always hurt the one you love. Well,
Speaker 5: it works both ways. We have front row seats for
Speaker 5: this theater of mass destruction. The Demolitions Committee of Project
Speaker 5: Mayhem wrap the foundation plumns of a dozen buildings with
Speaker 5: blasting jelat In two minutes, primary charges will blow base charges,
Speaker 5: and a few square blocks will be reduced to smolder
Speaker 5: and rubble. I know this because Tyler knows this.
Speaker 3: Two and a half think of everything we've accomplished.
Speaker 5: And suddenly I realized that all of this, the gun,
Speaker 5: the bombs, the revolution has got something to do with
Speaker 5: a girl named Marla Singer.
Speaker 1: Yes, Edward Norton's insomnia acting the right of cruisers light
Speaker 1: not support groups, because well, what else are you gonna
Speaker 1: do when you're never really asleep and never really awake.
Speaker 1: When Helen that Bottom and Carter's Marla Singer arrives at
Speaker 1: a testicular cancer support group, it throws his mojo out
Speaker 1: of whack. The last thing he needs is another tourist
Speaker 1: in the room. But if that was Norton's narrator or
Speaker 1: Jack or whatever his name is, exactly thinks Marla is
Speaker 1: a handful. Wait until he sits next to Brad Pitt's
Speaker 1: Tyler Durdon on an airplane, a revolutionary Andy cabalist hipster
Speaker 1: soap maker who is wanting to set the.
Speaker 2: World's clock back to zero. David Finture's Fight Club Maybe
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine was a punch to the head,
Speaker 2: both metaphorically and literally. Kate Lambrook, are you prepared to
Speaker 2: break fight Club's rules one and two with me today?
Speaker 6: What was two? I only know the first rule of
Speaker 6: fight Club verstual of fun. Never talk about fight club.
Speaker 6: Oh second rule, never talk about funk.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I think he was trying to get
Speaker 2: the ten rules, so he.
Speaker 6: Just doubled up and in the edit they just were like,
Speaker 6: leavi it, le brad.
Speaker 1: Bitness picking up his liner. I need that again. They
Speaker 1: kept that in. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6: I'm so thrilled because it's making me think about I
Speaker 6: never really unlike you, who knows so much about films
Speaker 6: and filmmakers and actors and you have a really broad lexicon.
Speaker 6: I don't really ever talk about films or think about
Speaker 6: films much.
Speaker 2: But it is a wonderful thing about this podcast.
Speaker 1: And you know, the chat after with my guests is
Speaker 1: that when do we chat about films these days? Probably probably,
Speaker 1: like you might, that idea of going to see a
Speaker 1: movie and then going out for drinks out is a
Speaker 1: romantic idea, but nobody's.
Speaker 2: Got time for that.
Speaker 6: It did used to happen. I remember when I saw
Speaker 6: that Madonna film where she melted she got melted wax
Speaker 6: on it with that guy what's his.
Speaker 2: Name, body of evidence with the will.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Willem Dafoe, And I remember coming out of
Speaker 6: it afterwards, and you know sometimes when people would come
Speaker 6: out of movies that they need to be very declut
Speaker 6: am tree about what they think in a loud voice
Speaker 6: so other people can hear. And the guy, some guy
Speaker 6: behind rus is going or she's such a fucking slut, right,
Speaker 6: I wanted to say, as we used to say in Queensland,
Speaker 6: well dor free like that? Why is that? Do you
Speaker 6: even think that's an insult? That's actually a compliment to Madonna.
Speaker 2: She did a coffee book where she was taking out
Speaker 2: the bins with no pants on.
Speaker 6: We're pants in that entire book, including one of my
Speaker 6: favorite photographs. You haven't asked. That's another podcast her with
Speaker 6: that naked hitch hiking Yes photo, that's such a great photo.
Speaker 2: It was peak Madonna. Wasn't it like that whole It
Speaker 2: was kind of it was like a prayer was a
Speaker 2: few years and then in the Vogue and in Bed
Speaker 2: with Madonna documentary and the Sex Book, the.
Speaker 6: Sex Book, the Sex Books. Just I just remember that photo.
Speaker 6: I would love to have a photo of me doing that.
Speaker 6: No one else would like to see doing that. But
Speaker 6: everything about it is just perfection.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Anyway, You're right, you don't talk about.
Speaker 2: Films, so I'm the same way.
Speaker 1: So this is podcast has been great for me because
Speaker 1: I can revisit films that I love through fresh eyes
Speaker 1: and also films that I've never seen before. And that's
Speaker 1: been amazing, some of the films I've seen for the
Speaker 1: first time as I've blown my mind and knowing you
Speaker 1: need to talk about the.
Speaker 2: Film makes you watch it differently.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is a film that I must say
Speaker 1: I've been a bit over the years met about, but
Speaker 1: which is kind of a weird reaction to have because
Speaker 1: it's quite a confronting film in many ways. But watching
Speaker 1: it again last night, I had a completely different reaction
Speaker 1: to it when I kind of watched more closely, and
Speaker 1: I hadn't watched it for maybe a decade, right and
Speaker 1: I think I was.
Speaker 2: I know there's some themes that I wasn't taking.
Speaker 6: Some of the themes seem quite contemporary.
Speaker 2: Now, didn't I. Yes, we'll get into the weeds of that,
Speaker 2: because there's so many themes in this.
Speaker 1: But why had it been on your mind that you
Speaker 1: hadn't seen? I think you nominated a fight club reasonably?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 6: I did from the choices that I was given. That
Speaker 6: jumped out at me because it's just entered the lexicon.
Speaker 6: The first rule of fight club. We all know, I
Speaker 6: say it, and yet I've never seen fight Club. There
Speaker 6: was something about the film that some films will have,
Speaker 6: will be you know, minor films, and have a moment
Speaker 6: that cuts through. But obviously it was just such a
Speaker 6: seminal thing, and it was such a male film. It
Speaker 6: was such a thing. It was like a men's club,
Speaker 6: wasn't it? And so I wanted to say it. I
Speaker 6: wanted to see it. But there was a slight drawback
Speaker 6: for me. I think I'm going to be controversial.
Speaker 2: I expect nothing, try to be no. I know you
Speaker 2: don't know, I know, but.
Speaker 6: G Brad Pitt, shit, helly.
Speaker 2: We got to come open that can of worms at
Speaker 2: this point of the show, I do want to talk
Speaker 2: about the three films. Let's let's start with Love.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Love, and we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: those three films. The Sound of Music, I have stated
Speaker 1: on this podcast it's one of the very few movies
Speaker 1: that I would have seen maybe maybe as much, maybe
Speaker 1: not quite as much as I've seen Star Wars, like
Speaker 1: that was Star Wars and the Sound of Music growing up,
Speaker 1: like when I was really young, like formative years, and
Speaker 1: we're watching a movie was exciting and like really exciting,
Speaker 1: and you had maybe three or four videotapes.
Speaker 2: The sound of Music was on high rotation in our house.
Speaker 2: And I love it.
Speaker 6: Yes, I can't imagine anyone not loving it.
Speaker 1: I had a friend recently who showed it to their
Speaker 1: kids and I was like, I just had that go
Speaker 1: because I've never sat down my boys and watched it,
Speaker 1: and I think there was a mix of gender and
Speaker 1: the kids loved it.
Speaker 6: We we only watched it with the kids all the
Speaker 6: way through. I think we would have when they were little,
Speaker 6: but for them to be old enough to remember when
Speaker 6: we were living in Italy last year in Lockdown, and
Speaker 6: we started this thing in where we would do this
Speaker 6: thing called the Crying Game, where we would watch sad
Speaker 6: movies and see who cried.
Speaker 2: It was actually based on the movie The Crying Game.
Speaker 6: We didn't watch that with it, but it was always
Speaker 6: me who cried. And Artie, my number three, who is
Speaker 6: my number three child, who is very contained, very very
Speaker 6: few words, not demonstrative particularly whatever, but he and I
Speaker 6: would always be the first ones to cry. And Russell
Speaker 6: Crowe featured a lot in our Crying game. Movies okay,
Speaker 6: pop queiz? What were they?
Speaker 2: Beautiful? Mind? Yes, Cinderella man, No, there some of us? No, okay, Gladiator, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 6: In the third one. You'll never guess.
Speaker 2: The third one, the third Russell Crowe film.
Speaker 1: I imagine it wasn't Roper Stumper. It is it is,
Speaker 1: it is. It is a great film, great film, the
Speaker 1: third Russell Crowe made in America or made in Australia.
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. I think made in America American Gangster,
Speaker 6: but with another Australian in it?
Speaker 2: Oh l A confidential.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 6: Never I'd said you'd never guess, because it's unlikely that
Speaker 6: it would.
Speaker 2: Who was the other Australian?
Speaker 6: Hugh Jackman?
Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman, Oh, what was what they made together? Oh
Speaker 2: is me love Me?
Speaker 6: Which you wouldn't think would reduce paper to tease. I
Speaker 6: think it.
Speaker 1: He cupped a little bit on that, But I I
Speaker 1: thought he was good. Me too, Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 1: always He's always excellent.
Speaker 2: I think Russell, me too.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to tell him that you have reduced
Speaker 6: us to tears in the middle of lockdown initialy with
Speaker 6: performances that are just part of your ubra? Is that
Speaker 6: eg or U is a woman's doctor. I've got a
Speaker 6: cute angina. But anyway, his body of work is phenomenal
Speaker 6: and I love him now he's playing he's embraced the
Speaker 6: bad guy in him, which so many Hollywood actors don't
Speaker 6: want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's even like I feel like Noah, which you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know a lot of people didn't see.
Speaker 2: I thought it was just really Noah.
Speaker 6: I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's great there in Aronofsky.
Speaker 1: Filmmaking a very high quality. So Russell Croust, not in
Speaker 1: the sound of music.
Speaker 6: Why do we get on to him because he made
Speaker 6: you cry? Because he made us cry. The sound of
Speaker 6: music made us cry.
Speaker 2: Yes, and there is an austrain connection with the sound
Speaker 2: of music he mentioned you mentioned.
Speaker 6: Yes, Maria, what is it you can't face? Which was
Speaker 6: was that in Priscilla that they was where it came about?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 6: No, it was an anecdotical thing before then that when
Speaker 6: they had those screenings I think where people dress up
Speaker 6: in the audience or whatever, that became a thing that
Speaker 6: Australian audiences would yell out, imagine matter, Yeah, what is
Speaker 6: it you can't face?
Speaker 2: I imagine though? Was that post social media?
Speaker 1: Like or is that like going back pre even in
Speaker 1: the eighties pre ah, do you find it amazing with
Speaker 1: social media?
Speaker 2: There then goes viralent, the spreads and then it's forgotten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that is right. But like I remember
Speaker 1: when like jokes still spread. I still remember the Challenger disaster.
Speaker 6: And another seven astro.
Speaker 1: There being that joke almost that afternoon and everyone seemed
Speaker 1: to know that joke.
Speaker 2: How did that happen?
Speaker 6: I don't know. How did we know stuff before?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: How did we know stuff? I was thinking about that
Speaker 6: going if I was writing or whatever and I couldn't
Speaker 6: think of a word or I could call you realized
Speaker 6: you had different people you'd call for different things. So
Speaker 6: if I wanted to know something about a film, I
Speaker 6: would call you. If I wanted to know a word,
Speaker 6: I'd call my mom. If I wanted to know a recipe,
Speaker 6: like you must have had a living body of encyclopedia.
Speaker 1: Yes, is there a scene in or a moment in
Speaker 1: sound of Music that cements it in your Like when
Speaker 1: you think of the sound of music, do you go
Speaker 1: to the hills with Maria?
Speaker 6: No? No, no, no, that's just a that's the ad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's the retail opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 6: For me, I think it really gets me when she
Speaker 6: is in the Roachhunda with the captain and she's wearing
Speaker 6: a dress, this beautiful blue dress, and when he declares
Speaker 6: I think his love for her and she stands with her.
Speaker 6: Her posture in that film is what just gets me.
Speaker 6: It's a posture you don't see in any other actors. Now,
Speaker 6: actors if that like, they might work from the outside
Speaker 6: and emulate it, but it seemed to come from within her.
Speaker 6: Her humble, nun posture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because no screen time.
Speaker 6: That's why she did have a forward, slooping neck. But
Speaker 6: she was just so beautiful in that scene for me,
Speaker 6: and when she sings somewhere in my life or childhood,
Speaker 6: or he sings, I must have done something good. I
Speaker 6: love that.
Speaker 2: I think my first crash was Liezel.
Speaker 6: Oh, I think a lot of people. Yeah, I'm al
Speaker 6: But Rolf, how did you feel when he betrayed her
Speaker 6: and blew the whistle in the graveyard?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That Ralph was a little turd. Why Ralph? You
Speaker 2: gotta forget when you whenever?
Speaker 1: Like, there have been times where I've revisited the sound
Speaker 1: of music and I've kind of gone, oh, that's right.
Speaker 2: There's Nazis in this movie. Yes, a kind of surprises
Speaker 2: me each time it does.
Speaker 6: It does and even though I mean they're not CARTOUNI,
Speaker 6: it's not cartoony. No, there's an actual, real sort of
Speaker 6: menace in them. And that glorious moment when the nuns
Speaker 6: have taken the yes car part? Is it a car Brener?
Speaker 6: I don't know what it is. They've taken some essential
Speaker 6: part out of the car. I just love it. I
Speaker 6: love it so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a beautiful film. Let's talk about Feston.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Fast and I'm very much aware of it.
Speaker 1: And this is part of the Dogma and directed by
Speaker 1: Thomas Vinterberg, who recently did The Hunt, which is an
Speaker 1: extraordinary film.
Speaker 6: I'm going to write that down. What's that hunt?
Speaker 1: The Hunt is Mad's Michelson, and it's about basically a
Speaker 1: man in a small town who I think volunteers at
Speaker 1: the local I'm not sure if it's a kindergarten, but
Speaker 1: we're young. Let's say it's a kindergarten and one of
Speaker 1: the kids accuses him of being inappropriate with her, all right,
Speaker 1: and for some reason he's not.
Speaker 6: And he didn't do it. I know, I've seen it.
Speaker 6: I've seen it, and it spreads through the whole village. Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: I've seen that, which all of which supports my contention, Hellia,
Speaker 6: that the Europeans cannot make a film, especially the Scandalegians,
Speaker 6: can't make a film without incest. Like it's their go to.
Speaker 6: It's their go to. And you know, when you go
Speaker 6: to a film festial, you could just walk in at random,
Speaker 6: and if you see a gray sky, an old man
Speaker 6: walking beside a swampy lake, and geese flying low over
Speaker 6: the leaden sky, you know a kid is gonna cop it.
Speaker 6: You just know, because that's what they love, and that
Speaker 6: happens infested well, the kid hasn't copped it. The kid
Speaker 6: reveals at this right, the family are all trapped together
Speaker 6: in a house. It's just Christmas. That's my idea of.
Speaker 1: Trapped and Tomas Wnderberg also there's a recent film called
Speaker 1: Another Round which he did, which is also magicall Senter's again.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any incest in this one.
Speaker 6: What I will not be watching it because I always
Speaker 6: imagine them. I always imagine them going, oh yeah, the
Speaker 6: husband and wife sitting, you know, choosing, Oh look it's this,
Speaker 6: it's a key, or.
Speaker 8: Oh this is a new Lars from Laursen film. Oh,
Speaker 8: this is a fantastic one. The little girl is accusing
Speaker 8: someone of incest but it has not happened. Oh, we
Speaker 8: must put on our finery gote to film.
Speaker 2: It's a twist, twist, it's a twist.
Speaker 8: This is a twist from run we saw last week
Speaker 8: whereas a little boy had actually been interfered.
Speaker 6: Visa was a fantastic film, Like what are they thinking?
Speaker 6: Why do they love it so much?
Speaker 1: I guess I do love going into the darkest possible
Speaker 1: areas and.
Speaker 6: As they spend so much time indoors, maybe.
Speaker 1: Well yes, and then half three months of the year
Speaker 1: is in darkness all of these countries.
Speaker 6: Yes, and then the other three months of the year
Speaker 6: is in perpetual light when everything comes, all the secrets
Speaker 6: must come.
Speaker 1: At blooming with the flowers Another round is It is
Speaker 1: a really interesting film, and it's it's about these kind
Speaker 1: of mates, old old friends who that they've lost their
Speaker 1: feeling that a little bit like it would Norton, they've
Speaker 1: lost that kind of they feel a bit numb, and
Speaker 1: they decide they hear that some Norwegian professor has his
Speaker 1: theory that if you drink x amount of alcohol per
Speaker 1: day or no sorry, if you keep your blood limit
Speaker 1: at a certain alcohol limit, that is the perfect way
Speaker 1: that function. And they do it and it goes quite well,
Speaker 1: you know, for a lot time until of course, until
Speaker 1: until it doesn't. Let's bringing the kids. It doesn't, that
Speaker 1: doesn't happens. It's safe to watch, but it is.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It was nominated for an ASCO And what's really interesting
Speaker 1: about that film is from a production point of view,
Speaker 1: Thomas Vinnerbergh's lost his daughter like weeks I think, even
Speaker 1: like a week in the shooting or a week before
Speaker 1: they started shooting, like in a car accident. It was
Speaker 1: really really flaunt and they just they continued to make it.
Speaker 2: Making the film.
Speaker 6: Well work is the salvation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and then yeah, no judgment. That's some
Speaker 1: people do bury themselves in. It's a coping mechanism.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, so fests and is Danish for the celebration.
Speaker 6: How do you know all this off the top of
Speaker 6: your skorn?
Speaker 2: I have I have?
Speaker 6: Have you been googling? I saw your hands under the
Speaker 6: table and I assumed you were doing something else.
Speaker 1: Derek called the celebration, so it so there's some sort
Speaker 1: of celebration.
Speaker 6: I take it, well, this is the Christmas. I think
Speaker 6: it's Christmas that we're all the family are together and
Speaker 6: they're all staying in the old house. But because it's
Speaker 6: a Dogma film, it's made with I can't remember what
Speaker 6: the tenants were the Dogma film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Dogma films were these Danish filmmakers. You've
Speaker 1: got together and said, okay, we're going to make with
Speaker 1: natural light, natural sound, natural sound, basically taking away all
Speaker 1: the elements, so skeleton crew.
Speaker 6: And no makeup. I think it was natural makeup.
Speaker 1: And even the scripts were like like basically blueprints as
Speaker 1: far as you know, like loose blueprints.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if there was like a this is
Speaker 2: how it read. There's a feel like.
Speaker 6: It feels like that, it feels like there's a lot
Speaker 6: of improvisation in it. And we saw one or the other.
Speaker 6: I think there were there might be more.
Speaker 2: One of my extreme versions is Dogville, which is Nicole Kimmen.
Speaker 6: Was Dogville Dogma a Dogma film.
Speaker 2: Class Entry and that was basically on a stage.
Speaker 6: It was like, yeah, I couldn't watch it and you
Speaker 6: watch walking from a room to room and the rooms
Speaker 6: were taped out on the floor.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it was actually it was. It was
Speaker 1: really good. I mean, you need the patience.
Speaker 6: For it, correct. I see, I'm very as a girlfriend
Speaker 6: of mine sees attention span of a gnat very modern
Speaker 6: of me that I find it. I get very distracted.
Speaker 6: And the national you know, GNA jerrych will send it
Speaker 6: through and that is a lucast like creature.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, so they are the Dogma films.
Speaker 6: Yes, and so I think the reason that, I mean,
Speaker 6: why is a film a favorite film? But Peter and
Speaker 6: I had seen another one called The Retards. I think
Speaker 6: it was called The rethearts very Scandinavian, so Scandinavian. It
Speaker 6: was about a bunch of like students who would go
Speaker 6: around pretending that they had various physical or mental afflictions.
Speaker 6: It was strange, didn't make it on my favorite least,
Speaker 6: but we were so there was something about the rawness
Speaker 6: of it. And also that's quite a scandalous.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite stories and Judith Lucy is that
Speaker 2: her father used to pretend to get into the footy
Speaker 2: for free. Did that come up?
Speaker 1: Was that one of the characters, was that one of
Speaker 1: the characters.
Speaker 6: Well, you can't make some shit up, that's right, that's
Speaker 6: right anyway. So and then after that we saw fest
Speaker 6: and and then and it's become like a you known't
Speaker 6: think how things into the lexicon of your relationship life
Speaker 6: or whatever that Peter I'll sometimes we'll say about something
Speaker 6: it was a real fest and oh it was a
Speaker 6: real fest and gathering. And we know straight away what
Speaker 6: we mean. Song's the revelation of the child coppying it.
Speaker 6: But child is grown up, by the way, I don't
Speaker 6: want to spoiler alert. It's twenty five years old, okay,
Speaker 6: you know, but it was it's just there was some intensity.
Speaker 6: Of course, of course.
Speaker 1: The third film is also moving on to my well,
Speaker 1: I always say my two favorite film or my favorite
Speaker 1: film is Godfather one and two. I kind of put
Speaker 1: them together, even though I would probably have part two
Speaker 1: a smidge ahead of the first one.
Speaker 6: But the mind they're actually blurred. Now that you say that.
Speaker 1: What's interesting talking to somebody about Godfather Part three and
Speaker 1: it's Godfather Part three, which is often derided and unfairly.
Speaker 2: It's a really good film.
Speaker 6: It might not if you've seen the other two, Well.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't compare.
Speaker 1: It's just not in this in the conversation Very few
Speaker 1: films are in the conversation of this could be the
Speaker 1: greatest film ever made. Godfather's Part one and two are
Speaker 1: god Father Part three, isn't that's you know.
Speaker 6: Old Sophia didn't she did? And didn't she go on
Speaker 6: to have the last laugh?
Speaker 1: She did, got behind the camera, turned it around. But
Speaker 1: it's got one of the most famous quotable lines or
Speaker 1: Godfather movies, which I think some people often forget this
Speaker 1: Godfather Part three, which is every time I think I'm out,
Speaker 1: they you know they d yeah, which is yeah. I
Speaker 1: often think I often forget that that's Part three.
Speaker 6: Well, I didn't even remember that lines. So yeah, you
Speaker 6: had me there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So what do you love about Godfather?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Well, we watched it again when we were living in
Speaker 6: Italy last year. Of course we went to when we
Speaker 6: went down south to Sicily, we went through Godfather Country.
Speaker 6: It's such a remarkable It does all those things that
Speaker 6: a great film does. The music is magnificent, the cast
Speaker 6: is extraordinary, to the point where they're almost not like actors.
Speaker 6: The setting is sublime. They've constructed a world that you
Speaker 6: are immediately immersed in, and they've created it with such confidence.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like watching a stand up on stage.
Speaker 6: You know. If they're not confident, it's the worst thing
Speaker 6: because you don't feel safe.
Speaker 1: I always talk about films about feeling like you are
Speaker 1: in safe hands, and sometimes it happens really early, like
Speaker 1: what you caching in some dance kid. I watch it
Speaker 1: for the first time for this podcast did You Yeah?
Speaker 1: With Bob Murphy, and the first the opening frame, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I.
Speaker 2: Think, I love this movie. And sometimes it.
Speaker 1: Can happen, you know, at the end of act one,
Speaker 1: or at some point maybe happens later in the film,
Speaker 1: but I feel at some point that I love that
Speaker 1: moment where you're kind of go, I'm watching a great film.
Speaker 6: That you can totally surrender to it because, like you said,
Speaker 6: you're in safe hands. So we've got Godfather. It was.
Speaker 6: It was like that. It was so transporting, it was
Speaker 6: so brave.
Speaker 1: The opening scene being then extraordinary like long sequence at
Speaker 1: the at the communion, the wedding sorry, and the light
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando so dark that yes, you.
Speaker 6: Know, these cheeks full of cotton, wool.
Speaker 2: Cotton and the real cream or whatever that was. It was.
Speaker 6: It was so luxuriant, like they really not only could
Speaker 6: we trust them as filmmakers, but they trusted us as
Speaker 6: the audience to go just go with it. It's really Look,
Speaker 6: I've got goose bumps because it's just I love it.
Speaker 6: I really really love it, and because it's about a
Speaker 6: country that I love as well, and it's a part
Speaker 6: of it's historical and it's contemporary. Yeah, because mafia now
Speaker 6: is just legitimate business in Italy. They just if you
Speaker 6: do business, it's mafia business, you know. But yet it's
Speaker 6: still got their genesis in that in the village, the
Speaker 6: village life, the tiny villages and the huge characters.
Speaker 1: And it's that beautiful journey that you see Michael go
Speaker 1: on when he doesn't not he doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: part of the family.
Speaker 2: You know, the family business. Loves his family, but it's
Speaker 2: not part of the family business. To see the corruption
Speaker 2: of Michael along the way, not just one, but in
Speaker 2: part two.
Speaker 6: It's inescapable and the heart of the movie.
Speaker 2: Always think of the saga.
Speaker 1: I think he's Freido like this, the black sheep of
Speaker 1: the family who could not quite I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: you've ever met anyone who's like famili who are in
Speaker 1: a business to get and there's this one that doesn't
Speaker 1: fit into that family. And Fredo breaks my heart every
Speaker 1: time as it does Michael's impata extraordinary.
Speaker 6: How amazing that we love the same thing.
Speaker 2: Eliah, here we go. Oh, I haven't we mentioned this before?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm listening to the incest side of Danish cinema.
Speaker 6: Win you over, I'll win you over.
Speaker 2: Let's chat about this extraordinary movie from nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: David Fincher, directed, written by Jim Old and starring Brad
Speaker 2: Pitts and Edward Norton. Did you like it?
Speaker 6: I liked the first third of it.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 6: I like the first third of it. I was very
Speaker 6: surprised by it. It wasn't what I was expecting.
Speaker 2: Did you think it was about men just punching each
Speaker 2: other and didn't have all those other themes?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know that. It got all being John Malkovich,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: So did you know about the twist at all?
Speaker 6: I didn't know. And that wasn't a twist. It was
Speaker 6: just stupid. It didn't even make sense to me. By
Speaker 6: that stage. I was quite weary because I'm like, but
Speaker 6: what it wasn't like that Bruce Willis film.
Speaker 2: Well, both these films come out in the same year,
Speaker 2: did they? Yes? So nineteen nine nine ordinary year?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was usual. Suspects also comes out that year, right,
Speaker 1: Crying Game comes out. I think maybe that was a
Speaker 1: twist you found out when you watch it with your.
Speaker 6: Kids, they found out. Yeah, So, I like, I loved
Speaker 6: the first third. I thought that they tried to do
Speaker 6: too much with it and in the and this often
Speaker 6: I think this is often a thing in films for me,
Speaker 6: just tell a story. It doesn't need to be it
Speaker 6: doesn't need to be so complicated. Like the premise of
Speaker 6: what they had was so interesting to me and exciting and.
Speaker 2: And it's call or when you say the premise excited you, Oh,
Speaker 2: just simply the idea that men disenfranchised men to feel something,
Speaker 2: need to hit each other feel something.
Speaker 6: Yes, and that they started this this underworld world, and
Speaker 6: that it spread, you know, and that suddenly there were
Speaker 6: all these clubs doing it. I love that, and I
Speaker 6: loved even up to the point of his apartment exploding,
Speaker 6: like that was all fascinating. But then it felt like
Speaker 6: as a writer, and this is a terrible thing to say,
Speaker 6: you know, about an accomplished and respected writer, but it
Speaker 6: feels like they just got oh I know, let's make
Speaker 6: them the same person. They're the shame person.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 6: I fucking love it, man, I fucking love it. You know.
Speaker 6: It was just too much for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are a lot of ideas.
Speaker 2: It's a very busy.
Speaker 6: Yes, they need to cut the fuck down, you know,
Speaker 6: they needed to go to fight club and have some
Speaker 6: of that bullshit pummeled out of them because it was
Speaker 6: too much. But to a certain point, I really really
Speaker 6: really liked it, well than I thought I would.
Speaker 2: I probably enjoyed the final act more so than the
Speaker 2: first third.
Speaker 9: If you like, when he's looking for him, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: and I like the way because you can see that,
Speaker 9: you know, like the twist is the twist that Tyler
Speaker 9: Durdon is basically, you know, the invisible friend of Edward Norton,
Speaker 9: the narrator.
Speaker 2: Well, it's called Edward Norton.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I didn't know his name.
Speaker 2: No what, there's kind of that pose gexture of what
Speaker 2: his name is.
Speaker 1: He's either the narrator or Jack, because he often says
Speaker 1: I'm Jack's you know.
Speaker 5: I am Jack's medulla oblongado, I am Jack's complete lack
Speaker 5: of surprise.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that kind of annoyed me, I must say.
Speaker 1: I was like, is this like an American phrase at
Speaker 1: the time, like don't have a cowman type beware?
Speaker 2: They were supposed to it hasn't aged.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, right, and I've read I think Edward Norton
Speaker 1: believes that the character's name is Jack.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to did they.
Speaker 6: Kill Edward Norton's career that film and yet somehow make
Speaker 6: Brad Pitt's career.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, I know, I'm leading into it.
Speaker 1: Was paid seventeen and a half million or seventeen million
Speaker 1: dollars to do that film.
Speaker 6: In ninety nine.
Speaker 2: In ninety nine and then Norton.
Speaker 1: Was paid two and a half million, right, they actually
Speaker 1: wanted funny enough, Russell Crowe was one.
Speaker 2: Of the early favorites to play Tyler Diurney. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: They were overruled, so Edward Norton after that, I am
Speaker 1: cheating here.
Speaker 6: I thought also Edward Norton was ed Burns. Are they
Speaker 6: easily confused? I just maybe haven't seen enough of Edward Norton.
Speaker 2: They do, they do.
Speaker 6: And I thought he was married to Christy Turlington, which
Speaker 6: at one point in the film when I got a
Speaker 6: bit bored star.
Speaker 1: So after a fight cup he makes a film with
Speaker 1: Ben Steeler and Jenna Elfman called Keeping the Faith, which
Speaker 1: is a kind of romantic. It's quite a nice film. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's a romantic triangle between Ben Stiller and they would
Speaker 1: not know who one's a rabbi, one's a priest and
Speaker 1: like a child friend of theirs, and.
Speaker 6: Jenna Elfman, as we know as a scientologist.
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, so that was a third the Holy Trinity
Speaker 10: right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He makes the score Death of Smoochy with Williams, which
Speaker 1: cooked Cooked.
Speaker 6: We're just stumbled onto something here. That movie killed.
Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, because for a while that he makes a film.
Speaker 1: He makes The Illusionists, which was pretty good in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, becomes The Hulk not long after in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Yeah, because before he made Fight Club.
Speaker 2: Things going pretty well. So he's made Primal Fear was
Speaker 2: I think his first film is his film debut was
Speaker 2: Primal Fear, which was so a big twist movie. That
Speaker 2: was ninety six. Then he makes American History X, which
Speaker 2: was yes, yes, yeah, and then it's Rounders, which was
Speaker 2: quite big as well. And then and then It's a
Speaker 2: Fight Cool it killed.
Speaker 6: Him Stone, Motherless Deed, okay, ken.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was coming off seven, which was oh yeah.
Speaker 6: What did he do? What did Brad Pitt do after that?
Speaker 6: Because it was one of the things that struck me
Speaker 6: in the film was how over art directed Brad Pitt was.
Speaker 6: But then when I came across the twist, I'm like,
Speaker 6: I can I under Maybe it was. It was obviously
Speaker 6: a deliberate thing, but I hate that over art direction
Speaker 6: thing that you often see in American movies.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it was. I mean it was very extremely stylised.
Speaker 1: So Brad Pitt leading into this has made movies like
Speaker 1: seven twelve Monkeys, which is great. Terry Gilliam, Sleepers The
Speaker 1: Devil's Zone, didn't we work seven years in Tibet, meet
Speaker 1: Joe Black and then so to get to your point,
Speaker 1: then he makes After Fight Club, he makes Snatch.
Speaker 6: With Madonna's husband, Yes, guy Richie.
Speaker 1: And then he has a miss set with the Mexican
Speaker 1: where they thought, let's put Brad Pitt and Julia Robbins together.
Speaker 2: I could go wrong.
Speaker 1: I think James Feni's in that film as well, Memory
Speaker 1: Spy Game with Robert Redford. And then it's Oceans eleven, Yes,
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 2: Know there's some missus here. There's Confessions of a Dangerous Mind,
Speaker 2: which is directed by George Clooney, and that didn't really work. Troy.
Speaker 2: He makes with Eric Banner and Rose Burn, big movie,
Speaker 2: Bit of.
Speaker 9: A Fly, but he's failing upwards.
Speaker 2: Paychecks still going up. He's made more Oceans movie, Mister
Speaker 2: and Missus, Smith, evangel and Jolie, which changed history, change.
Speaker 6: History, personal and movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like he has what he has done, he's been
Speaker 1: able to still make great films. In Glorious Bastard's burn
Speaker 1: after reading Moneyball.
Speaker 6: Okay, riddle me this, because there was a point at
Speaker 6: which you know, how people say, oh, I can't unsee something.
Speaker 6: I had a moment of that with Brad Pitt.
Speaker 2: Yes, you made a very strong statement early.
Speaker 11: I did.
Speaker 6: I did. And he's to my mind, like a pretty
Speaker 6: girl in Hollywood films who's learned a lot along the way.
Speaker 6: It's not that he has never had good performances, but
Speaker 6: there was a moment in which I saw the essential
Speaker 6: truth of Brad Pitt as an artist. And from that
Speaker 6: point on I wish I'd never seen it because I
Speaker 6: just couldn't. Now all I see is his tricks is
Speaker 6: whatever he's you know, birdshit hair, where he's getting his
Speaker 6: hair tipped blonde. I'm like, calm the fuck down, mate,
Speaker 6: be an actor, you know, not a cover boys such
Speaker 6: a cover boy. But eating in movies, the constant eating
Speaker 6: because he can't just have nothing, the slightly slap five.
Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn does that a lot, and its Vaughn often
Speaker 1: eats in movies where it's like why are you eating?
Speaker 2: Mane?
Speaker 6: Because they can't do nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's often acting to have something in your
Speaker 1: Some actors do love having things in their hands, and
Speaker 1: it's eating something is a great way to take your
Speaker 1: mind off. Yes, what the lines, and you know the
Speaker 1: delivery of lines.
Speaker 6: At one point in that movie in Fight Club, Brad
Speaker 6: Pete eats on the telephone and you don't even see
Speaker 6: him or you hear is his voice on the telephone
Speaker 6: calling Edward Norton at a public payphone. Edward Norton answers,
Speaker 6: and my husband went, is he eating? It's actually eating? Hello?
Speaker 2: Who's this?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 5: We were met on the airplane. We have the same suitcase,
Speaker 5: the claveror go.
Speaker 6: He's going, I got carl ya are we meet me at?
Speaker 6: Because he is such a hollow man as an actor.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can pletely disagree.
Speaker 6: I love that you do, but I haven't told you the.
Speaker 2: Jump the Shark. If you want to hear that I do.
Speaker 6: I do, And you need to tell me at what
Speaker 6: point in his filmography what's it called? Yah filmography that
Speaker 6: he made the movie Meet Joe Black?
Speaker 2: Well, Meet Joe Black came before before. That was nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety eight, so he's made that a year before Fight Club.
Speaker 6: I wish i'd never seen that film, because there's a film.
Speaker 6: Have you seen Meet Joe Black?
Speaker 2: I've seen it, and I don't have a great reaching Hopkins.
Speaker 6: But do you remember there was a scene where he
Speaker 6: was eating peanut but of course he was eating where
Speaker 6: he's eating peanut butter, and I think he's supposed to
Speaker 6: never have eaten it before. I can't remember why that
Speaker 6: would be. What was my met Joe Black about? Anyway?
Speaker 9: Whatever's death, wasn't it all?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's had a twist, how to twist anyway? So
Speaker 6: he's eating peanut butter and he's never he's supposed to
Speaker 6: I think never have eaten it before, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 6: There's something about the peanut butter. And it was watching
Speaker 6: him do that and trying to act whatever he was
Speaker 6: supposed to be conveying, and it was so terrible. There
Speaker 6: should be another word for it. It was such bad
Speaker 6: acting that I was astounded that it got to the
Speaker 6: big screen. I was astounded. And then the veil was
Speaker 6: lifted from him and it was like the Wizard of
Speaker 6: Oz and there's just an old guy behind a curtain.
Speaker 6: And when I see Brad Pitt now it's very hard
Speaker 6: for me not to say I don't enjoy him. When
Speaker 6: they played his strengths, like you know, mister Missus Smith
Speaker 6: or whatever, fantastic, not enough of him and him and
Speaker 6: Angelina Jolie together in that film, by the way, But
Speaker 6: he's just so so he's such a limited actor that
Speaker 6: he is a distraction for me in most films.
Speaker 1: So my take on Brad Pitt is that he is
Speaker 1: like a genuine movie star. Yes, And I think and
Speaker 1: I think if you're a judge him, like I think,
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge him up against someone like a
Speaker 1: Paul GAMARTI.
Speaker 6: Or you know, yeah, because he's not an actor.
Speaker 2: He's not a character actor as such.
Speaker 1: But I think he does a pretty good fist of
Speaker 1: disappearing into roles considering how extraordinarily good looking that man is.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not sure if you saw a film on
Speaker 2: Louise and we.
Speaker 1: We telled Alex Edelman about that, and it is just
Speaker 1: both of us are just like wow. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: Paul Newman and Robert Redford at the height it is.
Speaker 6: And that's why I said he reminds me of a
Speaker 6: pretty girl in hollyod would Yes, because but because he's
Speaker 6: a guy, he's allowed to have a longer lifespan than
Speaker 6: a pretty girl because, as you know, there's an age
Speaker 6: at which a pretty girl's petals drop off.
Speaker 2: It's a very interesting point.
Speaker 1: Who is the prettiest girl who's operating now at the
Speaker 1: older age, who's been able to break through because Angelina
Speaker 1: Jolie and whether it's some people decide to what you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know, if it's how much he's walking away
Speaker 1: raising a family or getting behind a camera.
Speaker 6: I think we do. I think I'm a woman, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So Angela's Jolie is kind of slowed.
Speaker 6: Up, but she's more powerful than a pretty girl. I
Speaker 6: wouldn't though her beauty is phenomenal once in a lifetime beauty.
Speaker 2: Cameron Dia is kind of basically it was.
Speaker 10: Almost retired, Meg Ryan gone, Julia Roberts still there but
Speaker 10: not making the not the banner name, yeah no, but
Speaker 10: George Clooney and Brad Pitt.
Speaker 6: But also I find her a really good actor.
Speaker 4: She is.
Speaker 6: I find her a really good actor. So once again,
Speaker 6: not not kind of pretty girl, not just cast to
Speaker 6: be pretty girl.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean, I mean my point.
Speaker 6: Is sort of a bluarry one. I've only had two
Speaker 6: days to formulate it.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the podcast about people processing a film
Speaker 1: that just watched. Yes, you may feel differently about I
Speaker 1: mean literally, I saw a fighter when it came out
Speaker 1: in cinemas and I feel different, changed one last night. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: twenty two years later, right, So twenty two years in
Speaker 1: terms of you will come back and.
Speaker 2: Find out how you feel about fight cler Wow, people, that.
Speaker 6: Is interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 2: You'll do it. But I.
Speaker 1: Think as for a movie star and for somebody who
Speaker 1: looks the way he does, I think anyone who's got
Speaker 1: extraordinary you know, physical beauty, who can actually disappear into
Speaker 1: roles is extraordinary.
Speaker 6: And I think so he doesn't disappear for me over over.
Speaker 1: When I see I've seen a lot of Brad Pitt movies,
Speaker 1: and I said when I saw Twelve Monkeys when it
Speaker 1: came out, I said to my friend on community radio,
Speaker 1: I said, trust me, Brad Pitt is going to be
Speaker 1: one of the And he was just basically tabloid fodder.
Speaker 1: He was on the front cover of all the teenage magazines,
Speaker 1: so he was not considered.
Speaker 2: I know, he was just a pretty face.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I said, trust me, Brad Pitt would be
Speaker 1: one of the great actors of our generation.
Speaker 6: And you were wrong.
Speaker 2: Fuck you, Lang Rock. I actuly believe. And if you
Speaker 2: see movies like Fury and you know inglorious bartist Burn
Speaker 2: after reading he's hilarious in that, like that's his as
Speaker 2: a Coen Brothers film with George Clooney, Tilda Swinton, Brad Pitt.
Speaker 6: He's oh and he did that movie, that guy Ritchie
Speaker 6: movie where you couldn't understand him.
Speaker 1: Yes, straight after the assassination of Jesse James. But the
Speaker 1: caw Robert Ford his extraordinary.
Speaker 6: Him too harsh on him. But he's got certain things
Speaker 6: that great actors can do that he can't do. And
Speaker 6: for me, with my one year at acting school, yes,
Speaker 6: I think I recognize them because they were things that
Speaker 6: I found hard to do. He can't laugh on screen.
Speaker 6: If you go back and watch Fight, come, I'm not
Speaker 6: going to make you watch it again.
Speaker 10: I mean, I have no power whatever.
Speaker 6: He's terrible fate laughing. He does it many times in
Speaker 6: that film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he's being beaten. Is that one of the ones?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he doesn't. He actually does. He's got a terrible
Speaker 6: in acting. It's much. This is one of the bitter
Speaker 6: ironies of the fact that Academy Awards have never given
Speaker 6: to comedies because it's much easier to go as an
Speaker 6: actor to the place of and tears and pain than
Speaker 6: it is to go to levity and buoyancy. Jennifer Aniston
Speaker 6: phenomenally underrated because the whole point of the comedy is
Speaker 6: you make it look easy, and so then I think
Speaker 6: people make the mistake of thinking it is easy. But
Speaker 6: so when you're watching a really good actor, they can convey,
Speaker 6: they can laugh on screen, and you believe it. When
Speaker 6: Brad Pitt laughs on screen, it's horrendous, horrendous, and I'm
Speaker 6: just like, mate, well he just makes this loud braying
Speaker 6: sound like just that ironically makes me laugh anyway, that's
Speaker 6: just for me one of his I find him just
Speaker 6: so limited, but I'm not without scope. I mean, I
Speaker 6: respect him for the fact that he hasn't made easy choices.
Speaker 1: No, and he's also from an artist's point of view,
Speaker 1: not just as an actor, as a producer. He's a
Speaker 1: production covery, which I think probably costs him money. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think Plan B he started with, honest, that's.
Speaker 6: Right, and in the divorce he brought her out and
Speaker 6: of course the ironies romantically, she had to find a
Speaker 6: plan be because her houseband rapped off.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a plane a lot, maybe it was
Speaker 1: the Plan A. Maybe it was but yeah, I am
Speaker 1: team Brad.
Speaker 6: Pitt, so team Brown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I, like I said, I had low expectations
Speaker 1: when he started out, and he's exceeded my expectations.
Speaker 6: I had didn't have low expectations because he was so
Speaker 6: phenomenal in Thelma and the Ways. Yeah, and even.
Speaker 2: Though it was seven, he's so good.
Speaker 6: So he's good in seven. He's good in seven. Not
Speaker 6: as good as Gwyne's Head in the Box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, we can't go too bar into
Speaker 1: seven because we should get back to the fight club.
Speaker 1: But money Ball is another one worth checking out. He's
Speaker 1: really good and more contained I think in that. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on. I will say this about Brad Pitt's
Speaker 1: wardrobe in this. For someone who's anti capitalist, he is sharply.
Speaker 6: Correct, too sharply. But then you realize he's in a construct.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's actually because I was thinking about that during
Speaker 1: the film and then I thought, henk, of course, this
Speaker 1: is Edward Norton's how he's projecting and he would like
Speaker 1: to be and how he would like to dress.
Speaker 6: Even the name is like such a it's a great name.
Speaker 6: It's a great name. It's almost too great a name.
Speaker 6: But when you realize who he is, it makes sense
Speaker 6: that the name is so great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, what do you think of the support
Speaker 2: groups at the start? I enjoyed those.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of I think one of the themes
Speaker 1: of the film is basically the castration of men, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that going on, and you know,
Speaker 1: and the emancipation. Uh, they're basically you know, I wrote
Speaker 1: down in their emasculated consumers to begin with, and it's
Speaker 1: probably it's probably they're dead inside, dead inside their numb,
Speaker 1: but they have.
Speaker 6: Enough of a glimmer of life left inside them to
Speaker 6: know that they're missing something.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's a very good point.
Speaker 1: And it's I think it's Bob who kind of is
Speaker 1: the most meat life.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's amazing with with the bitch ship. Yeah, there
Speaker 6: were some big sweet titt weren't they.
Speaker 2: They really were. He was the only one allowed to
Speaker 2: fight in violation of the fight club rules with a
Speaker 2: shirt on because the reason was it was a fat suit.
Speaker 6: Oh of course, because you were you couldn't say. And
Speaker 6: also that would have changed their rating.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize because it didn't look good. No, they
Speaker 2: must have had seed.
Speaker 1: Also in the facts apparently it was very heavy and
Speaker 1: they had between.
Speaker 6: Wow, I mean it didn't look it looked good. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but I wouldn't have thought it would be that complicated.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, look at me.
Speaker 6: I've got them now.
Speaker 2: I changed shirts in the yasnylas.
Speaker 6: I did love I love that. I love that. It
Speaker 6: was a good idea. It was a great idea that
Speaker 6: people would go to support groups.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel like I've seen that probably since
Speaker 1: that idea kind of explored, but it may have been
Speaker 1: the first to explore that the idea of this going
Speaker 1: to support groups with no real need such for them.
Speaker 1: But Bob said, Bob is a was a body builder,
Speaker 1: lost his his testicles through cancer, phasically cancer.
Speaker 6: Not through carelessness, carelessness.
Speaker 1: And then he's grown boobs and even his has lost
Speaker 1: its timber. It's like a feminine voice.
Speaker 6: It's a good performance actor, wasn't it he was? Is
Speaker 6: he an actor?
Speaker 2: But he's done something. He was in a rocky horror
Speaker 2: picture show.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, But that was a very different perform performance.
Speaker 2: Then this is more nuanced.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: castration going on, you know, as let's talk about you know,
Speaker 1: men rapid has that line, I told them when he's
Speaker 1: in the bars, and we're a generation raised by women,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure another woman is what we need.
Speaker 6: Yes, Yes, which is very interesting and reminded me of
Speaker 6: an article I read the other day about you know,
Speaker 6: all this talk about toxic masculinity and there's never been
Speaker 6: more women involved in in boys' lives. Every school teacher
Speaker 6: is a woman. In the media, it's dominated now by women.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of women around doctors and la la,
Speaker 6: and possibly toxic masculinity comes from not enough men rather
Speaker 6: than It was very interesting. You know, sometimes you read
Speaker 6: something and it changes your mind. I was reminded. I
Speaker 6: thought of it a lot during that film because that
Speaker 6: was that was very It was like a prophecy that film,
Speaker 6: wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I think like if you look at today, like this
Speaker 1: film feels almost more relevant today, even though this is
Speaker 1: all pre social media. We have all this, you know,
Speaker 1: but the idea this is a generator. Damien Power we spoke.
Speaker 1: It was one of his favorite films, and he made
Speaker 1: a really good point, you know, because diversity always comes up,
Speaker 1: you know as we chat. This is a very white film,
Speaker 1: but he said it's important that it's white because these
Speaker 1: are these are the haves in a way, like these
Speaker 1: are not the These groups of men are not the
Speaker 1: have nots.
Speaker 2: That's not the point. These these like you have everything
Speaker 2: you need and you want, and it's still not enough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's that line where they say, you know,
Speaker 2: we have no we have no war. Bro Pitt says.
Speaker 1: I told her there's we have no war, we have
Speaker 1: no great depression, how great depressions? Nothing they've got even
Speaker 1: nothing to fight for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, really interesting, which comes
Speaker 6: up a lot now in conversations about like mental health
Speaker 6: for me in particular or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't think let's just say, a white
Speaker 1: man in Australia, what really do you have to complain
Speaker 1: about it? And even if you broaden it out just
Speaker 1: to kind of the society. We are so lucky in
Speaker 1: this country. Yes, we don't know how lucky we are.
Speaker 1: We tend to escape. We escaped the global financial crisis,
Speaker 1: We've escaped other pandemics.
Speaker 6: We're putting this stuff on the computer for you.
Speaker 2: It's really we escape. We escape pandemics.
Speaker 1: SARS didn't really come to us, and I think with
Speaker 1: COVID I think we all thought we were again we will,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll catch a wave out of here before
Speaker 1: it before it strives, and it didn't. So I think
Speaker 1: it's come as as a shark and lot of people
Speaker 1: haven't known how to respond to it. But I just
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, when people start talking about segregation,
Speaker 1: when they're talking about vaccines.
Speaker 2: Yes, you don't know what that actually means.
Speaker 1: Like being being told you can't dine at a pub
Speaker 1: for maybe six weeks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well not in Victoria, not six weeks.
Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily wanting to open that up up
Speaker 1: that can of worms, and everyone is entitled.
Speaker 2: I sometimes wonder.
Speaker 6: If people are looking for looking.
Speaker 2: Things to rally against them and now listen, if you're.
Speaker 6: Well, I tell you what this is, really given something
Speaker 6: people something to rally against, because it's been an amazingly
Speaker 6: un Australian happening, Do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 6: for suddenly mandates and blah blah and dad are and
Speaker 6: show your passport and your ID and your thing and
Speaker 6: people writing and tanks in the street of Melbourne and
Speaker 6: helicopters flying like that's.
Speaker 2: Really it's full on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I can understand you're saying it's un Australian.
Speaker 1: I'll also make the point though, it's just something we
Speaker 1: have never seen. It's you know, the last pandemic was
Speaker 1: over one hundred years ago, and it's you do need
Speaker 1: to do something about it. Like the people aren't, you know,
Speaker 1: aren't going to fix this themselves. Now, you know, people
Speaker 1: have really like these days, they want to say I'm
Speaker 1: left or I'm right, or I'm I belong to this
Speaker 1: group and not that group. But if you tie yourself
Speaker 1: whole heart, like one hundred percent to any ideology, I
Speaker 1: think it's going to come back and bite you on
Speaker 1: the ass. Like this, this group basically becomes the Project
Speaker 1: Mayhem is launched, and it's all very exciting. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's started by men just wanting to feel something, and
Speaker 1: then they.
Speaker 6: Start the anarchy of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: Tyler Durden takes all the principles of Project Mayhem, repackages
Speaker 1: it and sells it back to them. So all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they're all dressing the same. They shaved their heads.
Speaker 6: The change about when that guy his name was, what
Speaker 6: was his name.
Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to that. His name was Robert
Speaker 2: Paulson that's right.
Speaker 5: This is a man and he has a name, and
Speaker 5: it's Robert Paulson.
Speaker 11: In death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name.
Speaker 11: His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert paul
Speaker 11: His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson.
Speaker 3: Come is Robert.
Speaker 10: Robert.
Speaker 1: So it become like copies of copies of copies as
Speaker 1: they've kind of rallying against you mentioned earlier, this idea.
Speaker 1: They've set up franchises of these fight clubs around the country.
Speaker 6: When I love that when he would be somewhere and
Speaker 6: he'd get the wink.
Speaker 2: That I love that. That's what I really loved about
Speaker 2: that last third.
Speaker 1: That's like the you know, like the waiter and when
Speaker 1: he when he she orders the clam.
Speaker 2: Chowder and and he checks that it's it's safe.
Speaker 1: Is basically they e the piste in it all.
Speaker 6: Thank you so many advice against the leader heating the clam.
Speaker 2: Chart, cancel the clam chat.
Speaker 10: Is.
Speaker 2: You know it is so good. But this this hobby
Speaker 2: has now become this kind of cult.
Speaker 6: And it's a runaway cult.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's it's exploding. And that one of the
Speaker 2: things the early things they did with the you know,
Speaker 2: the Project Mayhem was to that, and I really loved
Speaker 2: that the Two Birds of One steing where they had
Speaker 2: to destroy a piece of corporate art and a franchise
Speaker 2: coffee shop at the same time. So they get that
Speaker 2: ball rolling.
Speaker 1: Into the coffee shop which isn't Starbucks but Startbucks. There's
Speaker 1: a couple of Starbucks apparently in every scene that can
Speaker 1: be spotted, and Starbucks allowed it to happen, but they
Speaker 1: didn't want the ball to be rolling into a Starbucks.
Speaker 1: They drew the line there, so it's a generic made.
Speaker 6: Up Starbucks allowed it to be happened.
Speaker 1: You still need you still need because it's a copyright.
Speaker 1: You still to go and get per mission for this thing.
Speaker 6: Really Yeah, but they wouldn't have been it wouldn't have
Speaker 6: been like they didn't pay to have their products.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's product placement as such. They
Speaker 1: just from understand they allowed it. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones allowed the Starbucks coffee cup to be
Speaker 1: the same. Game of Thron there was a famous mistake where.
Speaker 6: There was that coffee an extra I know it's on.
Speaker 2: It's on the table. These characters are having this big scene,
Speaker 2: there's a coffee.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and the irony of that is it goes
Speaker 1: into this franchise, you know, coffee, and then it's five
Speaker 1: clubs becoming a franchise in itself.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'd love to be I've always wanted to
Speaker 6: be in a club, Yeah, but like the Groucho Marx thing,
Speaker 6: not in a club that would have me as a member,
Speaker 6: you know. Like I love the thought of a secret world.
Speaker 6: I love the thought of like going in somewhere and
Speaker 6: there's a secret hand shake, or that people are just
Speaker 6: like that you know something that no one else knows. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'd find that such an attractive premise.
Speaker 1: But isn't that to draw it back a little bit
Speaker 1: to what's going on at the moment I find, whether
Speaker 1: it's protests about lockdown or the vaccine. I think a
Speaker 1: big part of it, yes, really of the family part
Speaker 1: of a group that.
Speaker 6: You're in fight club and mate, when the coppers were
Speaker 6: flying over you in helicopters and coming at you and
Speaker 6: the head of your unions being protected now by bikis,
Speaker 6: you are in fight club. There was no doubt I
Speaker 6: understand that they had that adrenaline and that whatever and
Speaker 6: that rage. I totally understand.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if rules one and two exists in
Speaker 1: their club though, No, well it must now well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they've gone.
Speaker 6: Really, they've had to go underground. I mean, if they
Speaker 6: still even exist, they're pretty well been pummeled.
Speaker 1: But again it became this thing where I think those protests,
Speaker 1: So for those of seeing who may be aware of it.
Speaker 1: In Australia, there were these protests against mandatory vexing of
Speaker 1: the building industry, and it seemed to be the first
Speaker 1: day seem to be you know, a large percentage of
Speaker 1: trades genuinely protesting. And as the days went on, as
Speaker 1: as the protest became more widespread and a bit more vile,
Speaker 1: to the point where there was urinating on the Shrine
Speaker 1: of Remembrance.
Speaker 7: That you.
Speaker 1: That it seemed to be less genuine trades all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the high viz. Maybe we're a bit cleaner.
Speaker 6: Yeah maybe, I don't you know what, I don't know.
Speaker 6: A funny thing has happened which sort of ties back
Speaker 6: to the film. It's amazing, actually, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I thought a lot about what's going on me too.
Speaker 6: The thing that strikes me most about this whole COVID
Speaker 6: situation or the mandatory VAX thing. Is the very people
Speaker 6: who taught us not to trust the government and not
Speaker 6: to trust big Farmer are the people now going, let's
Speaker 6: run with you. Why don't you trust the government? How
Speaker 6: do you not trust big Farmer? And I'm like, but mate,
Speaker 6: you taught me. I've watched your shows over the years.
Speaker 6: I've seen the things that Firezer has done and the lawsuits.
Speaker 6: I know that the governments are capable of corruption and
Speaker 6: loving power, and you taught me that. And now you've
Speaker 6: become a little bitch acting like there's something wrong with
Speaker 6: me because I don't trust what you're telling me. Like
Speaker 6: there's been a real flip in such a short space
Speaker 6: of time that I haven't really mentally been able to
Speaker 6: get on board the if you're anti vax, you're a
Speaker 6: bad person train. I just can't get on it because
Speaker 6: I understand why people have got these reservations, because we
Speaker 6: were taught to have them by when we had a
Speaker 6: free press.
Speaker 1: There's also I think there's I know exact what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I think there are people like Eastern Europeans, for example,
Speaker 1: I know, going to for people who are easter in
Speaker 1: your pain, who do not want to get the vaccine
Speaker 1: and and I've even just read articles and where there
Speaker 1: seems to be a theme another parts of the world
Speaker 1: as well, where there is an innate trust of government
Speaker 1: because and it's based on a very real thing, distrust
Speaker 1: of distrust the government because of the they've lived, what
Speaker 1: they've lived and lived through here in Australia. As whatever
Speaker 1: you think of our prime minister, and there's many different
Speaker 1: views out there.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I don't think he's trying to kill us. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: whatever you thought of the previous prime minister and the
Speaker 2: one before that.
Speaker 6: That's right, it's not specifically this one. But there is
Speaker 6: a pattern of oh look, I think there's a general
Speaker 6: sense of back to the film, a diminishment of the
Speaker 6: autonomy that people feel over their own lives. And even
Speaker 6: if you look at like Hong Kong, the protest movement
Speaker 6: in Hong Kong, all those things that we've been sold
Speaker 6: as like is this amazing? Now because we've got this
Speaker 6: facial recognition technology, you can you don't even have to
Speaker 6: stop at the pastspot thing. You can just walk through
Speaker 6: and they'll recognize you. Now, you see, when people have
Speaker 6: got something genuinely to protest about, as they do in
Speaker 6: Hong Kong. They can't because there's all those things that
Speaker 6: we were sold as being amazing, life changing. Oh you're
Speaker 6: a blood eye if you don't get on board with it,
Speaker 6: are now used actually as tools of oppression. It's quite
Speaker 6: a phenomenal happening.
Speaker 1: There's a film that's popped on the TV the other
Speaker 1: day and I watched a bit of it and it
Speaker 1: drew my attention. It's a film called Love and Other
Speaker 1: Drugs with Jake, JILLN Hall and and Hathaway. It's it's
Speaker 1: not bad, but the villain in the film is Piza.
Speaker 1: Really he is basically you know.
Speaker 6: Is he the farmer rep Yes, I've seen.
Speaker 2: That fires signage all over through it.
Speaker 6: Oh really that would have been with the permission as.
Speaker 2: Well, what they have to be, I imagine, but I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how that would have happened.
Speaker 1: I have seen it before and I didn't watch all
Speaker 1: of it, and it's largely about you know, it's about
Speaker 1: a lot of things. But you know, I'm sure most
Speaker 1: audiences just watch it for the sexual chemistry between Jake,
Speaker 1: John Hall and Hathaway.
Speaker 2: They really go for it.
Speaker 1: But I can't forget even where it ends up. But
Speaker 1: certainly Fires is not painted in a good in a
Speaker 1: fluttering light.
Speaker 6: Well, they never have been, no, no, Which is not
Speaker 6: to say that pharmaceutical companies haven't done amazing things. We
Speaker 6: know they have. But we also know that if you
Speaker 6: ever want to know the truth of a situation, follow
Speaker 6: the money, and at the moment the money leads to
Speaker 6: Phizer or these farmer companies that suddenly who's done well
Speaker 6: out of the pandemic? Jeff Bezos, Jerry Harvey, Jerry Dan Murphy's,
Speaker 6: Dan Dan Murphy's and Firesa Yeah, top four hundred Forbes company.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad fires I came up with a vaccine.
Speaker 1: I'll put that out there as I'm glad the Asseneka
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure if might A ten would have.
Speaker 2: Got there exactly.
Speaker 6: And I think you're right, But I'm also like, even
Speaker 6: then things have like the trashing of a Z or whatever,
Speaker 6: which is you know we were talking about on the
Speaker 6: project that that's four dollars a dose. The fireser is
Speaker 6: twenty dollars a dose. Who trashed a Z? Like you
Speaker 6: don't hear anything about the myocarditist that fires are causes
Speaker 6: in Like, there's two kids from one of my son's
Speaker 6: school in hospital, young men who have got that. You
Speaker 6: don't hear anything about that, but you heard all about
Speaker 6: the blood clots from az Of whose benefit is it?
Speaker 6: Just do the clock talk? Like I just don't. I
Speaker 6: just think it's it's almost too much to stay aware,
Speaker 6: like the people in that film, it's too much to
Speaker 6: and stay on top of everything. And they didn't even
Speaker 6: have mobile phones in that film.
Speaker 2: No, well, this is this is this is pre social media.
Speaker 6: This is pre Twitter's, pre Instagram's, pre Facebook, I think,
Speaker 6: and it is amazing. It feels so contemporary despite.
Speaker 1: But I think because I think one of the points
Speaker 1: they're making is a really simple point is that whether
Speaker 1: you hit yourself to a capitalist society or a fascist society,
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: Just a number.
Speaker 1: So you are you're either something to be sold to
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or you're something to live under. You know,
Speaker 1: you are living under a dictator, or you are living
Speaker 1: under the oppression of consumerism.
Speaker 6: And when the capitalism becomes the fascism or the communism
Speaker 6: becomes the fascism, where do humans turn. They go to
Speaker 6: fight club.
Speaker 2: They go to fight club. And then and but then
Speaker 2: fight club kind of starts, Yeah.
Speaker 6: To become betraying itself, to become the thing that it hated.
Speaker 1: Even the entry exam if you like, or the initiation
Speaker 1: is to stand outside, to be isolated outside when all
Speaker 1: you're wanting is connection.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that you call people sir, yes, but sir yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's it's they become like a parody.
Speaker 6: Of what they actually he's anyone. Have you ever had
Speaker 6: a fight.
Speaker 1: There was one fight when I was younger outside of
Speaker 1: a pub with with that with you. Yeah, but to
Speaker 1: be honest, the punch that he landed on me, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the punch I landed on him. You know where
Speaker 1: Ed Norton goes to hit brad Pitt.
Speaker 2: You want me to do you just want me to.
Speaker 7: Hit you one fair? Why?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know. Never been a fight, you.
Speaker 6: Know, but that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: Like in the base, surprise me, mother fuck hit me
Speaker 3: in the ear.
Speaker 5: Well, jesus, I'm sorry, I sucked it up.
Speaker 1: Oh that was perfect directly actually went up to him
Speaker 1: and David, he just said him and hit him in
Speaker 1: the ear. So Bradbit did not know that was coming,
Speaker 1: So yes, he was. He was told to hit him,
Speaker 1: mishit him and hit him in the air. Not sore
Speaker 1: why he was supposed to hit him. It was just
Speaker 1: a couple of the draw or whether he wasn't even
Speaker 1: going to hit him or not. But yes, there you go.
Speaker 6: I did love as well when Ed Norton would go
Speaker 6: into work because he was just he was such a
Speaker 6: wage monkey. When he began to assert himself in the
Speaker 6: workplace before he even stepped to his boss. I just
Speaker 6: meant when he went in and you saw that his
Speaker 6: posture was different, he was with his black eye. I
Speaker 6: just love the thought of going into just such a
Speaker 6: conventional workplace where you know, we're all sheeple, aren't we,
Speaker 6: where suddenly you feel like you're not one of the
Speaker 6: sheeple sitting there with your black eye.
Speaker 1: Well, it's and that was one of the seeds of
Speaker 1: this entire movie. So the author, the author of the book,
Speaker 1: I'm going to that.
Speaker 2: Chack, Chuck.
Speaker 1: Palank I don't know how to say it. Sometimes of
Speaker 1: authors you see the name written actually here, but Palagyuk.
Speaker 1: He went camping with some friends and there were some
Speaker 1: people in the nearby campsite who the music was being
Speaker 1: played too loud, so he went over to ask him
Speaker 1: to turn it down. They did not take kindly to that.
Speaker 1: They got into a fight. He was beaten up, and
Speaker 1: then the next day or the monday after, he went
Speaker 1: to work with all these sketches and bruises over him,
Speaker 1: and nobody asked him.
Speaker 6: What happened because they were too like, it's to there
Speaker 6: be monsters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they just also did not want that connection.
Speaker 1: They just wanted to, you know, pretend it wasn't happening,
Speaker 1: do their own thing. Yeah, so that was the first
Speaker 1: seed of the movie.
Speaker 6: You know, you said that it was like when you
Speaker 6: got into the fight outside the pub years ago, which
Speaker 6: which who were you in the scenario? Were you the
Speaker 6: ear puncher? Did you get so?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sorry, both punches were.
Speaker 6: Ear punch average. Yeah, right, so neither of.
Speaker 2: You already hit the ground.
Speaker 1: It's one of those ones where we're very relieved that
Speaker 1: our friends came up to save Ego and it's it's
Speaker 1: and I can't even tell you many years later, twenty
Speaker 1: eight years later, probably how it started while we were
Speaker 1: there outside of party.
Speaker 6: Lead up, the lead up outside the part is probably
Speaker 6: the clue, Yes, exactly, it was. It's always drunkenness it's
Speaker 6: always drunk.
Speaker 1: It's it's silly. I'm not a fighter by nation, Oh
Speaker 1: not at all. Yes, And as a father of three boys,
Speaker 1: it kind of that memory almost terrifies me, even somebody.
Speaker 2: Who I very rarely.
Speaker 1: My blood boils very seldomly, and for that to happen,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, just remember that can happen to anyone.
Speaker 6: That's interesting because I have three boys as well, I've
Speaker 6: never thought about teaching them about fighting or not fighting.
Speaker 6: You know, you must have to have a conversation with
Speaker 6: boys about I.
Speaker 1: Was talking about about walking away. You never know what
Speaker 1: the other person either has on them.
Speaker 6: What their intentions are, what the state of mind in.
Speaker 2: The mind is. So you know, and this is I
Speaker 2: got into my fight before the rise. It's seemingly of
Speaker 2: knives and ice, ice and also mobile phones where let's film, Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: let's fight.
Speaker 6: So otherwise you could have made fight class.
Speaker 2: I would have broken all the rules. I want to
Speaker 2: take my shirt off.
Speaker 6: You would have been meat life.
Speaker 2: Did you realize you.
Speaker 1: Said you knew that going in about the rule. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'd even forgotten how many rules they were in my mind.
Speaker 1: It kind of ended after it was a therofessional of
Speaker 1: fight club, don't talk about five Club. The second rule
Speaker 1: of fight club you don't talk about fight club. It
Speaker 1: turns out there's eight rules.
Speaker 6: I can't remember any of them.
Speaker 2: Oh I hang on, I'll remind you. Right, let's fight
Speaker 2: the rules of five Club.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, welcome to fight club.
Speaker 7: The first rule of fight club is you do not
Speaker 7: talk about fight club. Second rule of.
Speaker 3: Fight club is you do not talk about fight club.
Speaker 7: Third rule of fight club someone y else stopped, goes limped,
Speaker 7: taps out, the fight is over.
Speaker 3: Fourth rule, only two guys to fight.
Speaker 7: Fifth rule, one fight at a time fellas. Sixth rule,
Speaker 7: no shirts, no shoes, seventh rule, fights will go on
Speaker 7: as long as they have to. And the eighth and
Speaker 7: final rule, if this is your first night at fight.
Speaker 3: Club, you have to fight.
Speaker 6: That is such brilliant writing. You know what reminded me
Speaker 6: of is that William Goldman adventures in the screen Try Yes,
Speaker 6: where he writes about Maybe he doesn't write about it.
Speaker 6: I think did he did terminate it? Didn't? He was
Speaker 6: a script doctor on he did.
Speaker 2: He did a lot of script doctrine. He did Cashi
Speaker 2: to some dance, also did the Princess Bride.
Speaker 6: I think it was the Terminator where they he became
Speaker 6: like a sort of a not a joke, but a
Speaker 6: legend in screenwriting circles because he got five hundred thousand
Speaker 6: dollars a word for script doctor and because he wrote
Speaker 6: I'll be back right and and first rule of Fight
Speaker 6: Club is on par with that.
Speaker 2: Well, I find it extraordinary.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes when there are lines that become getting to
Speaker 1: the zi iconic, iconic lines, you think they must have
Speaker 1: been stoked when they wrote.
Speaker 2: That, Yes, how do they know? They just don't know.
Speaker 1: How do you know that I'll be back becomes because
Speaker 1: I love It's got to do with the way Arnold
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger delivers that, the way Brad Pitt delivers this in
Speaker 1: this film.
Speaker 6: Of course. And then nothing's worse than in films when
Speaker 6: you can see they've tried to make it happen, where
Speaker 6: you can't tell that they've gone, oh, that'll be there,
Speaker 6: that'll be sticky.
Speaker 1: Well, if you think, if you think most most iconic
Speaker 1: lines in movies, they're not Oscar Wild type witticisms.
Speaker 2: They are just quite simple and it's about the moment
Speaker 2: more often than that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that is phenomenal. The first
Speaker 6: rule of Fight Club. I have said it myself so
Speaker 6: many times, just as you know, everyone always gets it
Speaker 6: in the room. Probably many people like me have not
Speaker 6: seen the film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this podcast quite often, somebody's gone.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 1: I understand all those Simpsons references because Simons parodied so
Speaker 1: much like Citizen Kane and The Shining for example. There's
Speaker 1: been multiple sides where they've parodied those films, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure they've done They've done Fight Club. I've got some
Speaker 1: fun facts before we wind up, Cake Laanbrook want.
Speaker 2: Some fun facts. Who doesn't want a fun fa love
Speaker 2: fun facts?
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt and Helena Helena at bottom Carter, she's greater
Speaker 1: than she's great.
Speaker 6: She's I always find her great. She's often in an
Speaker 6: entirely different production, but doing your own wardrobe like just amazing.
Speaker 6: She's kind of like the Dark Goblin, like Tilda Swinton
Speaker 6: in terms of the fact that they're just so authentic
Speaker 6: and and not retail.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I did I must say watching the
Speaker 1: film back last night, I did think I was almost shocked.
Speaker 1: And this is silly, and I'm being silly for saying it,
Speaker 1: but I'm shocked that we didn't see the twists coming.
Speaker 2: There are so many.
Speaker 1: References really well, even in that first first line the
Speaker 1: narrators is I know this because Tyler knows this. Now
Speaker 1: that's something that you don't pick up on view. But
Speaker 1: there are a whole bunch of little references that of
Speaker 1: course once you once you know what, you see it all.
Speaker 1: So that's why I say I'm being silly. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving the no.
Speaker 6: But that's always a twist. When you go back and
Speaker 6: watch a film with a twist, it's like sixteens, but.
Speaker 2: It's all subtle things in sixth sense. It's almost like
Speaker 2: it is giving you a big nudge in that direction.
Speaker 6: But that wasn't your fun fact about the bottom car and.
Speaker 2: Brad Pitt recorded three days. They took the record orgasm
Speaker 2: sounds for their for their sex scenes.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yes, three days seems excessive. David Fincher is
Speaker 1: somebody who doesn't like to go from multiple takes. I
Speaker 1: feel like that might have been taken it.
Speaker 6: But they was so extreme those sounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, because it was supposed to be like mad
Speaker 1: mad and this is like rutting is what he believes.
Speaker 1: You know a woman once and what for a man
Speaker 1: in you need to be that, you know, full on
Speaker 1: it needed to break through the wall to be alpha. Also,
Speaker 1: the sex scene was shot in the using the same
Speaker 1: bullet time technique as the Matrix was. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny that the same techniques use. Matrix gets all the
Speaker 1: credit because it's probably using a more interesting way. Possibly, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was using the same technology. Helen the bottom
Speaker 1: Carter got the wardrobe and the makeup artist to apply
Speaker 1: her eye makeup with her left hand because.
Speaker 6: She thought, so it looks kind of naive and raw.
Speaker 2: Yes, nice touch.
Speaker 6: Why didn't she just apply herself?
Speaker 2: Well, because somebody she didn't do something out of the job.
Speaker 6: Nobody still had to towsle her hair and put her
Speaker 6: in those platform shoes.
Speaker 1: She was almost going to be played by Reese with
Speaker 1: a spoon. They wanted Reese with a spoon, but she
Speaker 1: was considered too young. Oh my, and she thought it
Speaker 1: was too dark and actually knocked it back. Wow, imagine
Speaker 1: legally blonde.
Speaker 6: But it's funny because in her body of what she's
Speaker 6: increasingly allows herself to be dark. It's not dark like
Speaker 6: Bottom Carter. It's it's kind of a twist on the
Speaker 6: girl next door dark.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's not that she's really reaching the more interesting
Speaker 1: places the older she gets.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: Roseo o'donald gave basically saw the film, was disturbed by it,
Speaker 1: and basically told her audience she had the daytime show.
Speaker 1: I think at the time I told her audience not
Speaker 1: to see it and gave away the ending, just.
Speaker 6: To really put a bow on it. Yes, why would
Speaker 6: she be disturbed by it?
Speaker 1: It's I guess a lot of people do find it
Speaker 1: really full on. The violence is full on. And if
Speaker 1: you then if you don't go along.
Speaker 2: With the premisil premise of it. I guess right. I
Speaker 2: said I the first time I saw it, and even
Speaker 2: the second time I saw it, I was a bit
Speaker 2: respected it. I never walk away.
Speaker 1: I respect the ambition of the films, even if they're
Speaker 1: not as ambitious as this.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, yes, And I love you know what
Speaker 6: I love. I love an idea. I don't have to
Speaker 6: agree with an idea, but I love someone having an
Speaker 6: idea that and that film is definitely an idea. And
Speaker 6: it's an idea that has not dated. No, it's in fact,
Speaker 6: it was like it was prophetic.
Speaker 1: The David Fincher also mess speaking of other actresses with
Speaker 1: Julia Louis Dreyfuss.
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is as.
Speaker 1: She's filming Seinfeld. So she's filming Seinfeld, she meets you,
Speaker 1: David Fincher, she doesn't. David Fincher gets the impression she
Speaker 1: has no idea who he is, even though he's directed
Speaker 1: Seven and the Game. He says, as if she wouldn't know, well,
Speaker 1: you would think the bad management.
Speaker 6: No, no, she would totally know. She's got so culturally.
Speaker 1: Might have been some miscommunication. And he said he felt
Speaker 1: like a fucking loser in his works.
Speaker 6: Really that was personal, got personal personal.
Speaker 1: Tyler Dirdon appears in five scenes very quickly before we
Speaker 1: see him. We first see him on the escalator, I
Speaker 1: think at.
Speaker 6: The oh yes, at the airport.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But he appears five times before that, very quickly.
Speaker 2: It's blinking. You'll miss it.
Speaker 1: If you don't belink, you don't miss it. So he's
Speaker 1: at the photo copy for one twenty fourth of a second. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's in the hallway of the doctor's office. He's at
Speaker 1: the testicular testicular support.
Speaker 6: I think I saw him somewhere. Could I have seen
Speaker 6: him with my naked eye?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because he was very distinctive, and.
Speaker 1: He's behind Edward Norton when Marlin leaves the one of
Speaker 1: the meetings, and he's also on the video on the
Speaker 1: far right when the narrator it was not checks into
Speaker 1: the hotel.
Speaker 6: No, I wonder I was so confused. I was confused
Speaker 6: for the last two to that film. I was very confused.
Speaker 6: You know what, I just realized another clue when Edward
Speaker 6: Noughton says to him on the plane, Oh, look, we've
Speaker 6: got the same briefcase. Yes, and I thought there was
Speaker 6: going to be some briefcase mix up. But of course, yeah,
Speaker 6: I thought there was going to be that he was
Speaker 6: going to get the briefcase home. I forgot that. I
Speaker 6: thought that, and that never happened. But that was obviously
Speaker 6: a clue. Maybe it feels a bit retro fitted that
Speaker 6: they needed to put more clues in along the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do find it really fascinating, Like what Than the
Speaker 1: Raider does for a living, So he attends crash sites
Speaker 1: and works out, Yeah, basically, so it does make sense
Speaker 1: that he's had this awakening, even though you don't notice.
Speaker 2: You see the moment, you see the apartment exploding. You're
Speaker 2: working on what that means later on.
Speaker 1: But he's had this awakening of like basically, and he
Speaker 1: tells that woman on the plane that what I do
Speaker 1: like that the company won't do a recall if it's
Speaker 1: not going to be effective, despite knowing that hundreds might die.
Speaker 1: So I like that they put him in a job
Speaker 1: where its.
Speaker 6: Ways raised his consciousness. Yes, is that a fun fact?
Speaker 1: I mean some of the fun facts. I mean, Daddy,
Speaker 1: I think the fun fades more are facts some of us.
Speaker 2: Some are just facts creep into the fun facts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can.
Speaker 2: It's the detectives.
Speaker 1: He tried to car straight Edward Norton Detectives Andrew Detective
Speaker 1: Kevin and Detective Walker, named after a writer who wrote
Speaker 1: seven Andrew Kevin Walker. And he did an incredited rewrite,
Speaker 1: as did Cameron Crowe.
Speaker 6: Actually on Fine Clubs as a nod it's nice.
Speaker 2: It is nice. It is nice.
Speaker 1: And there was a line that the Fox executive freaked
Speaker 1: out when this happened, like this movie like they like
Speaker 1: it's like, didn't you read the freaking scripts? Like so
Speaker 1: when this happens, is what you thought expecting the fight
Speaker 1: or the fight stuff that you may have expected.
Speaker 2: You didn't read a script. You didn't commission this.
Speaker 1: So when they saw it and all this kind of
Speaker 1: consumerism stuff and you know, revolutions and that, they were
Speaker 1: a bit shocks. And this was also in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: nine the Millennium Bug, which is weird now, but there
Speaker 1: was genuine anxiety around it came ye, so.
Speaker 2: They kind of freaked out.
Speaker 1: There was one line that they this is the only
Speaker 1: I think concession that David Fincher made one of the executives.
Speaker 1: There was a line that after they have sex and
Speaker 1: Marla says, O Tyler, that's what the original line was,
Speaker 1: I want to have your abortion, and that had to
Speaker 1: go to that had to go, so David Finch, David
Speaker 1: Fincher said, I will change it.
Speaker 2: But whatever I changed it to, it stays right telling.
Speaker 2: So the line that he changed it to is.
Speaker 6: I haven't been fucked like that sweets that's right, a
Speaker 6: great life.
Speaker 2: They hated it even more than like not too late,
Speaker 2: too late. I've changed and that is it.
Speaker 1: The one final note, I just want to mate is
Speaker 1: for a pretty grim film, there is there is like
Speaker 1: that sense of optimism, grimly executed optimism of the end
Speaker 1: where you can still be an individual, you can choose
Speaker 1: not to follow this group, It's never too late to
Speaker 1: get out and become the individual. When he shoots himself
Speaker 1: in the face and and therefore killing Tyler, Tyler dirt
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how he worked that out.
Speaker 6: But he doesn't kill himself does he know?
Speaker 2: So he's still How did he do that?
Speaker 6: Did Tyler just live in the left?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he aimed for the cheek or something,
Speaker 1: because he seems to be one signe seems to be
Speaker 1: more affected than the other.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I like the idea that you can still
Speaker 2: be an individual. Is I think, is the final message
Speaker 2: of the film?
Speaker 6: Well done?
Speaker 2: Do you think that? Do you agree?
Speaker 6: I just I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It did feel surprisingly optimistic, didn't it.
Speaker 2: It was for someone optimistic considering he just shot himself
Speaker 2: in the face.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I assumed that he was going to die.
Speaker 6: And then suddenly when he gets up and he's like,
Speaker 6: I know, I'm fine. How was he fine?
Speaker 2: I laugh got a bit when when they're coming in.
Speaker 2: Thought that was.
Speaker 6: Amusing And little did we know that his career was
Speaker 6: not going to be fine?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't think he's had a bad career, no, but.
Speaker 6: Just as we compeared earlier, the ascendancy of one career
Speaker 6: versus the other on What's Been You know, it was
Speaker 6: a huge film.
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt is a movie star. Yeah, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if I think Norton is trapped between that character, actor
Speaker 1: and movie starting somewhere in between.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes. And also I just think the voiceover was
Speaker 6: too long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was too long and too foot very it
Speaker 1: was very talky, and I think when I first saw it,
Speaker 1: I'm not nihilistic, I'm not particularly cynical, so a lot.
Speaker 6: Of it was just like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 6: just sort of washing over you, like a sort of
Speaker 6: dank tied.
Speaker 2: Maybe because I watched it.
Speaker 1: When I watched it with things that are going on
Speaker 1: around us, I took more in and it felt more
Speaker 1: real to me than it did twenty.
Speaker 2: Two years ago.
Speaker 6: I'm very glad I got to see it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you watched it, and I thank you
Speaker 2: for doing your homework. And I mentioned it in the
Speaker 2: in the introduction. But just one final reminder that Chow
Speaker 2: Bella is in bookstores right now. Congratulations, you have written
Speaker 2: a book. It is starting book.
Speaker 6: I've written a book that was my own personal fight club.
Speaker 1: I imagine it was so lockdown when basically at the
Speaker 1: front line of the pandemic, Italy was there for a
Speaker 1: little while.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, first place after China.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. So your holiday, your dream holiday, your vacation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, gap years. Yeah, it was amazing. But then there
Speaker 6: was what we thought was the hard year. The first
Speaker 6: year with no pandemic was actually the great year, and
Speaker 6: in fact the pandemic year was a great year as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All you know, we had to see the bright side.
Speaker 1: You had to find the little winds along the way.
Speaker 1: And I think spending time.
Speaker 2: Even though I've got your four kids, you're a couple
Speaker 2: uh one ahead of me on that scale.
Speaker 6: You've got three kids, You've got four Keeps and Edward
Speaker 6: Norton and your Charla Durdon and you're mad, oh my,
Speaker 6: that where they come.
Speaker 2: I think I've said that, I've said that before, made
Speaker 2: that mistake before. Maybe I do have a kid out
Speaker 2: there that I'm.
Speaker 6: Not aware of, a man easily.
Speaker 2: Course, I feel like I put that out in the world.
Speaker 6: Did you ever have sex with Helena and she said
Speaker 6: to you, I want you to father my abortion.
Speaker 2: I think I may have, and maybe she didn't. No, yes,
Speaker 2: and you know you spending time with the kids was
Speaker 2: you know, it was in a way of blessing.
Speaker 6: It was amazing. It was time that hopefully touch wood over.
Speaker 6: They're already softening, softening us up for the next pandemic,
Speaker 6: aren't they. Oh, there'll be another one there.
Speaker 2: We'll get through it together because we're together and now
Speaker 2: we know what we need to do.
Speaker 6: Just get a vaccine. We've got a new one. Fire
Speaker 6: we heaven, new run. Jake Gillenholl will sell it to you.
Speaker 1: You know, it'll be I think there'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of pivoting going on with companies might have ten, but
Speaker 1: the next pandemic might a ten will be giving it
Speaker 1: be Bunnings, not just getting jab there, but actually whoever.
Speaker 6: Whatever companies have survived, yeah, will have It's like how
Speaker 6: everyone started selling hand sanitizer and face masks.
Speaker 2: Speaking of things that have survived. I've made a booking
Speaker 2: for us to go have lunch. So let's do that.
Speaker 6: Okay. I'm not going to fuck you, Einstein. I'm just
Speaker 6: telling you that from their jump.
Speaker 2: We'll disorder. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You are one of my absolute faiths, Katie, and congratulations
Speaker 1: on the board.
Speaker 6: I'm so happy to be a part of this. I
Speaker 6: didn't think I had enough knowledge about films. But you
Speaker 6: have the art of making whatever people bring to the table,
Speaker 6: you make it seem like it's the greatest gift they
Speaker 6: could have brought. It's a very amazing knack you have.
Speaker 2: Well, what's is you about this podcast? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never asked what you thought of the film before
Speaker 1: we start talking. I don't ask what your three favorite
Speaker 1: films are. And so it's it's it's not. And sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm still processing a film, so I'm still like
Speaker 1: learning and kind of taking in what my guess is
Speaker 1: telling me, and like that's still someone's influencing what I
Speaker 1: think about a film.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, so that's what I was. And and let
Speaker 6: me just say this tonight, when you and Bridge It
Speaker 6: are watching Fester.
Speaker 2: And Fester and a Date Night, I might do a
Speaker 2: Fester and breaking the waves, double.
Speaker 6: Breaking the waves. I've just got to tell you this,
Speaker 6: I still breaking the waves with when they still had
Speaker 6: the Lumier Cinema in Melbourne, Film Lovers Cinema that, of course,
Speaker 6: the Film Lovers had the tiniest screen you've ever seen.
Speaker 6: It was before they invented iPhones. But the screen was
Speaker 6: about that size. Anyway, I went with an ex boyfriend
Speaker 6: of mine who you know, mad, a mad, brilliant creature,
Speaker 6: but mad who started views, who started yelling at the screen,
Speaker 6: Take it off, Take it off? Just what was he
Speaker 6: yelling like? That's not on? At the end when the
Speaker 6: father gets the vile father who.
Speaker 2: To be honest, the only thing I remember about her
Speaker 2: films as a large.
Speaker 1: As long as the first time i'd seen Emily Watson,
Speaker 1: I remember thinking she's extraordinary.
Speaker 6: But I Emily Watson, Yes, oh my goodness, yes, I
Speaker 6: didn't know that, and I do. Was that what's her name?
Speaker 6: Tilda Swinton postpartum with her twins.
Speaker 2: In that possibly?
Speaker 6: I think she did a scene showing her body right,
Speaker 6: because she is an extraordinary actor allowed herself to be
Speaker 6: filmed naked postpartum from having just given birth to twins.
Speaker 2: She's extraordinary.
Speaker 6: She's the opposite of Brad pitt.
Speaker 2: I I I accept what you're saying. She's extraordinary actress
Speaker 2: and artist.
Speaker 6: I think anyway, this madman that I was going out with,
Speaker 6: who starts yelling when the hideous evil father who's just
Speaker 6: done an unspeakable thing involving a baby, you just can't
Speaker 6: even conceive that you're in that anyway. So he's yelling
Speaker 6: out at the screen, and I'm like, because we're in
Speaker 6: there with film lovers. It's not like you're at you know,
Speaker 6: village on a Saturday.
Speaker 2: Night going Transformers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly exactly, look though, turning to other things. And
Speaker 6: so I was like, and he said why, And I said,
Speaker 6: because because there's other people here, goes, And I still
Speaker 6: to this day don't know if he's right or not.
Speaker 6: He goes, I don't care. I've paid my money, not theirs.
Speaker 2: Well, some cinemas, if you've been through the movies in
Speaker 2: the States, very interactive, the spectator sports as.
Speaker 6: You see Queen the Teeth of film there with a
Speaker 6: largely black audience, and it was the most social thing
Speaker 6: I've witnessed to see.
Speaker 1: A comedy in a place on New York with you know,
Speaker 1: a largely like black audience. Yeah, they are the best
Speaker 1: to watch it. I saw and Adam Sandel Kevin James film.
Speaker 1: It might have been the one where they pretended to
Speaker 1: be gay to get a conversation or something.
Speaker 6: Every country's got a version of that.
Speaker 1: There's no other way of me enjoying that film than
Speaker 1: the way I experienced it, which is in New York
Speaker 1: with people watching.
Speaker 2: That you go there.
Speaker 4: That he just did that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he didn't.
Speaker 6: I think if you as a stand up, if you
Speaker 6: had if you're American and you had a black audience,
Speaker 6: what you would leave feeling like a king, wouldn't you?
Speaker 6: They're so alive in their appreciation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even sometimes when you're He'll be leaving a leaving
Speaker 1: a subway in New York and there was a gentleman
Speaker 1: who's the information booth and he was a mess.
Speaker 2: Theatrical, yes, yes, yes, And there's a joy that just
Speaker 2: is so infectious where we try to avoid, you know,
Speaker 2: anyone who can approaches us in Melbourne.
Speaker 1: This is just like you avoid them. I'm right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this guy was singing, dancing, you know, is a legend.
Speaker 2: Kate.
Speaker 1: We got booking, so let's let's go. But thank you
Speaker 1: so much for talking fight club. Hopefully we don't get
Speaker 1: in trouble.
Speaker 6: Why don't we go and have a fine Yeah.
Speaker 2: Break.
Speaker 6: One of the rules of fight club is one of
Speaker 6: the rules about no women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're already broken.
Speaker 6: That's just a general Hollywood rule out you fuck fight club.
Speaker 3: Fuck Marla. I am sick of all your shit.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what's screwing around?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 7: You go.
Speaker 1: They told us not to talk about fight Club as
Speaker 1: one of the rules, but we broke that rule absolutely.
Speaker 2: Kate Lainbrook. I love hanging out with Kate.
Speaker 1: She always brings fresh perspectives and surprising perspectives as well,
Speaker 1: So thanks Kate.
Speaker 2: Chow Balla is a brilliant, brilliant read.
Speaker 1: It is a perfect summer book if you if you
Speaker 1: haven't got to it, and if you're as summer begins
Speaker 1: to close out a little bit, chow Balla is her
Speaker 1: book and it's been an absolute smash hit. So Congress
Speaker 1: licens Cape
Speaker 2: And so we leave old Pete save fan sut and
Speaker 2: to our friends of the radio audience, we've been a
Speaker 2: pleasant good night.