1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation. Well I thought I'd read about 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: I'd read out when I first left university and got 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: my first job, which was at Simon Townsend's Wonderworld. Welcome 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: to my Wonder World, absolutely all right. So there I 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: was at the end of nineteen eighty three with a 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Bachelor of Arts and Communication and no real idea of 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: what to do with it. After moving back in with 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Mum and Dad in Sydney, I applied for all kinds 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: of media jobs. Nothing. I even got a knock back 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: from working in a bookshop. Ah, things were looking a 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: little dire when I saw a position advertised at Simon 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Townsend's Wonder World. At the time, Simon Townsend's Wonderworld was 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: a phenomenon. It was the most successful kids show in 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: Australia and pretty much every school kid of many adults 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: came home and switched on the telly at four pm 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: each weekday to watch. 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: I was one of those kids. 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: What Are You? It was hosted by the man himself, 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Simon Townsend, who sat next to a bloodhound called Woodrow 20 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: who'd slobber away all over the desk and more. Someone 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: once had to pay to have the carpet in Channel 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: ten's foyer cleaned after Woodrow let loose a torrent of 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: steaming urine over the floor. Still, I've seen worse behavior 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: at the Logis. Here's a big dog too. 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: They quite the leasage. 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: During the show, Simon through the stories featuring four gun 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: reporters who might be doing anything from visiting the paddle 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: pop factory, getting a rundown on how to string a 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: tennis recket, or showing what it was like to be 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: a police officer for a day. The stories were about 31 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: all manner of things that interested kids or at the 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: very least Simon. The job being advertised was for a 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: researcher to line up these stories. Could it be more perfect? 34 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: I had to apply. Those of us going for the 35 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: job were asked to put together a research brief for 36 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 1: a story. It had to be a real story using 37 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: real resources. In other words, as well as possibly getting 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: a new researcher, the show would get six or so 39 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: stories research for free. Welcome to television. 40 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: There you go. 41 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: I can't remember much about the story our research, but 42 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: I think it was either about dolphins or Oliver in 43 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Newton John. 44 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: Well. 45 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I combined both ideas and planned to have Alivier 46 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: writing flip either way, I can still picture the research 47 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: report I handed in at the end of the day. 48 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: It was handwritten, and the bits that weren't scribbled over 49 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: were dotted in big clumps of smeared liquid paper. I 50 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: had produced a giant mess, which I added to the 51 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: pile of other reports that looked alarmingly ordered and professional. 52 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: At the end of a stressful and long day, I 53 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: headed home on the bus, praying furiously this would be 54 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: my big break. It was not to be. I didn't 55 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: get the job, and to make things worse, a friend 56 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: of mine from UNI and scored the gig. I was 57 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: so crushed I seriously thought I'd never get over it. 58 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't bring myself to watch the show. It was 59 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: dead to me. But you know what what A few 60 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: days later, Harvey Shaw, the executive producer, called and offered 61 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: me a job as his assistant. Naturally, I accepted it, 62 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: hardly believing my luck. I didn't know what an assistant was, 63 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: but I'm sure I could wing it. 64 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: Is that like in TV world? Assistant? 65 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 66 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: You know? 67 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: No, not a pleasure friend. What you're saying? 68 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: It wasn't that The industry rife with it back then. 69 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know a smirching Harvey's good name, and 70 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: it never was for me that night, very much so. 71 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: That night I went to see the band Mental as 72 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: Anything perform at the Roundhouse Bar. It's New South Wales 73 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: UNI who I wanted to call out loud that I 74 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: had a job in TV. I remember thinking, my life 75 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: begins now. 76 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: That is so cool, that is so cool. 77 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: So I get the job as the executive producer's assistant. 78 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: Wonder World turned out to be a rough and ready 79 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: introduction to television. There was, of course, the massive ego 80 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: to contend with every day, and the childish tantrums we 81 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: had to endure. At least they were easy to deal 82 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: with in his dreadful breath. But enough about the dog. 83 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: I quickly discovered what an assistant did, or rather was 84 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: supposed to do, and I was beyond ill equipped. On 85 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: my first day, I was given a letter to type. 86 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: What type? I can't type? I had to ask someone 87 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: how to turn on the electric typewriter. I was so 88 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: naive I didn't realize that I should have been mortified 89 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: by that. My first few letters look like they've been 90 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: typed by a mental patient. All the words were scrunched 91 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: up in one corner, and the pages were covered in 92 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: smudges of tippex that I hadn't let dry long enough 93 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: before typing over them. Oh lucky me. Not long after, 94 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: both researchers resigned within a week of each other. This 95 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: seemed to be a regular pattern. I soon learned that 96 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: the Friday afternoon cask wine and cheesels event was usually 97 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: farewell parties every Friday. Fortunately, this time it worked out 98 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: in my favor. Harvey clearly saw a convenient way to 99 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: fill the researcher gap and restore some order in his 100 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: office at the same time, I was finally a fully 101 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: fledged researcher. Wow, it wasn't long before I realized this 102 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be easy. One of the stories Simon 103 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: asked reporter Sherion jobs to do was called corners. Yes, corners, 104 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: Simon had done some quirky story ideas that would drop 105 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: into your pigeon hole. Simon would come up with quirky 106 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: story ideas that he'd drop into your pigeon hole on 107 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: green paper. We all dreaded the greenies. One day, the 108 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: crew'd be heading off to a ball bearing factory. The 109 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: next try to make magic out of a story on 110 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: non Newtonian fluids. Reporter Philip Tanner remembers a Greenie asking 111 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: him to do a story on car springs and windscreens 112 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: because Simon was taking part in a car rally and needed. 113 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: Para that's outrageous. 114 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: There was a real element of Maguiva to Wonderworld, particularly 115 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: when the crews traveled overseas on the cheap doesn't come 116 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: near it. A karnae is a piece of paper issued 117 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: by customers that pruised the production crew was only bringing 118 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: in the camera gear to the country to use, not 119 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: to sell. Serial numbers were checked in and out of 120 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: airports and had to be stamped. It's like a passport 121 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: for the gear. You can't travel without one, but we 122 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: often did. Once on a trip to Monaco, the crew 123 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: had to break the camera down into bits and stash 124 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: it across their luggage, then reassemble it on location. And 125 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: because they couldn't take lights with them, the crew had 126 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: to ask talent to be filmed outside or to stand 127 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: near windows. It wasn't unusual to have to borrow a 128 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: ladder as a tripod because it was too hard to smuggle. 129 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: When this was Simon Townsheads. 130 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Simon townsho for. 131 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: A kids show. 132 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: You anca Well, the crew went to Monaco, we went 133 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: to India, we went to Malaysia. It was all done 134 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: for free because we'd do a giant story on the hotel. 135 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: Here's me just thinking. It was just always the paddle 136 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 3: Pop Factory and then next. 137 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: Day the taj Mahal. Literally I say here. I always 138 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: admired Harvey Shaw's flair for publicity. He was a first man. 139 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: I heard out of the words, never let the truth 140 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: get in a way of good story. He was the master. Once, 141 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: while Philip and fellow reporter Edith Blister and Monaco, he 142 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: sent out a press release saying Philip had scored a 143 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: date with Princess Stephanie. He hadn't, of course, And when 144 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Philip's bag containing the stills, camera and all the crew 145 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: money was nicked in the back of a cab in Rome, 146 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: Harley let the media know that the Pope had personally 147 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: intervened to ensure it's safe return. Sounds like I'm talking 148 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: about Trump, doesn't it. Anyway. I was a researcher there 149 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: for a year or so, and then a job as 150 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: a reporter came up. 151 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: Woo. 152 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: So I was asked to audition. Can I read you 153 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: what happened the day of the audition please? The day 154 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: of the reporter audition arrived and applicants were instructed to 155 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: wear jeans or pants. This, it's fair to assume, so 156 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: our figures were easier to see. The long line of 157 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: gorgeous girls in snug fitting pants was daunting. They looked 158 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: like they absolutely belonged on television. There was also a 159 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: batch of quirky, purple and pink haired kooks with fleurro 160 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: lipstick who filled the I'm the individual quotient. I fell 161 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: pathetically between the two. We were asked to talk a 162 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: little bit about ourselves on camera, then answered some mortifying 163 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: questions about why it was us and no one else 164 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: who deserved to get the job. I remember one girl 165 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: taking out a twenty dollar note, which I'd thought of that. 166 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: As the long line was whittled down further and further, 167 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: I found myself in the final ten. At this crucial stage, 168 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: we were asked to do star jumps like the Rank 169 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: and Sisters, the exercise hornbags of the day, who owned 170 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: a gym and appeared on TV in high cut leotards. 171 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: After I did a very lame star jump. I was 172 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: asked to tell a joke. Let's face it, these are 173 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: the two main components of a job on TV. I 174 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: hear young events star jumps well a legendary. Despite my 175 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: best efforts at both jumps and joke telling, I was 176 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: told I'd missed out on the job, the one thing 177 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: that took me years to get over, and in fact, 178 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm still not sure that I have was it word 179 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: filtered down later that I was considered quote too broad 180 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: across the bed for a children's show. Ouch, WHOA. They're 181 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: hard lessons to learn in the early twenties, aren't they. 182 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: Oh? Auditions, TV auditions that believe me, I know because 183 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: I've done you name a TV show, I have auditioned 184 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: for it. It is the worst, most thankless thing, so 185 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: much so my The last TV audition I did was 186 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: last year and I said to them, this is it. 187 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: But I've heard you say that a number of No. 188 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: That's it, this is this is it. I just can't. 189 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: I cannot. I don't have the emotional wherewithal to go 190 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: through it. 191 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: It's hard, isn't it. When you're a kid, you put 192 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: yourself up for it, and that's hard, but to do 193 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: it now? 194 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh it's the worst thing. 195 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: And I remember, you know, the first time I ever 196 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 3: auditioned for TV was when I came to Sydney and 197 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: they approached me to host a show with Lisa Wilkinson. 198 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: And they really liked us as a duo on this 199 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: Channel seven show called the Morning Shift to something, and 200 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: they wanted me to leave radio for TV. 201 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: I'd only been at Triple AM for three months. That 202 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: was my whole life. 203 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: I wanted to work at Triple AM, so I remember thinking, well, 204 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. 205 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: Would you ever have done that? 206 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: No? 207 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: Looking back the sliding doors. If I say to you 208 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: right now, there's that sliding door. You say yes to 209 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: the TV gig or you say yes to radio. 210 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I could have done it. I 211 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think. You know. 212 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: They were very happy they wanted me to, and they 213 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: were happy to match give me more money to do 214 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: the TV than the radio. 215 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: But how long, like probably a six month contract or 216 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: something as opposed it. 217 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: We didn't get down to that path. 218 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: I remember the bosses at Triple M saying, you don't 219 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: want to be seduced by TV. They also said to me, 220 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: you've got a pretty ironclad contract here. We've looked after you, 221 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 3: you've just signed. Think about your choices. I just come 222 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 3: from a kid from nineteen seventy nine. All he wanted 223 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: to do was work in radio. I hadn't really considered 224 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: me as TV talent. The problem was with that. 225 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: I thought that being on TV would be easy and 226 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: it's been ever since that day. 227 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: That's the last audition I actually got. So every show 228 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: in Australia, from Who Wants to Be a Menaire? To 229 00:09:59,240 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 3: Family Feud to. 230 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: The Bachelor, not as the Bachelor. 231 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: Now as the host of the Bachelor, to name that. 232 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: There are a bunch of shows that never even saw 233 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: the light of the day. Have you been? What's it called? 234 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: That show you did talking about your generation? We both 235 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: went for that. 236 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 3: It's just sol destroying and I know exactly how you feel. 237 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: And they never give you any feedback. 238 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: You never hear it. 239 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: Well, what about feedback? You're too brought across the beam 240 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: to a kid in her twenties for a kids show. 241 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 3: I would love that. So I say to them, what 242 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: do you want? And the problem is with TV they 243 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: don't know what they want and they've got no balls. 244 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: TV executives have no balls. I'll go with the usual 245 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: crew and that's what they do.