1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: On today's show, Matthew k announces first ever trans contestant, 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day, hits back at critics slamming the promotion of 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: a cookbook, and A Paul's skincare line sells out in 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: just seven minutes, and Chloe Zepp's new holistic Instagram account. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and I have never been so thankful to 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: be married because an Australian man's bizarre dating habits have 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: been exposed by his roommate on Triple Jay's radio show 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: The Hookup. So during a segment discussing dating rosters, a 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: woman called in to share the method her housemate used 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: to manage his roster. So he had three women on 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: the go and they each had a separate night of 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: the week. So one was Tuesday night, one was Wednesday night, 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: one was Thursday. Go back to back, I know, back 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: to back. To make matters worse, he planned the exact 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: same date for all of them so he would cook lasagna, 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: watched the same movie, which was Eternal Sunshine of the 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: Spotless Mind. I didn't know that movie. 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: I googled it looked boring as fuck. 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: It was like a sci fi romance, and he would 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: actually buy the ingredients in bolk. I'm wondering if maybe 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: he made like one slab of lasagna and just cut 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: pieces out of it. How did this man have three 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: women that want to go out with him every week? 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: That's an indictment on the dating who's wanting to eat 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: lasagna for dinner as well? If he's got these girls 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: over for one reason but also three nights in a row. 29 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: When I first. 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: Heard this situation, I assumed it was because this guy 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: didn't want to get any of the scenarios confused, like 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: he didn't want to be like, oh, I love rock 33 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: climbing with you, but actually no, we went to the movies, 34 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: but instead his housemates said that it was control testing. 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: So he thinks it's the best method to directly compare 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: the women to work out which one he liked the best. 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: I've got a bone to pick with him, though, because 38 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: whoever's on Thursday night and you've got the third serve 39 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: of lasagna and watching the movie for the third time. 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: They're instantly going to be rated down. 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: So he's basically created his own series of The Bachelor. Yeah, 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: but it's a very boring, sad rerun of The Bachelor. 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: Apparently the guy didn't actually end up with any of 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: the girls at the end, so they obviously worked out 45 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: that Lasagna in this weird sci fi movie was a 46 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: shit date. Yeah, they were controlled testing you. This is 47 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: fucking shit. When I met my partner, he said he 48 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: had a dating teared system, so basically, if he really 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: liked someone, he take them on an extravagant date. And 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: basically it would whittle its way down to just taking 51 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: someone for coffee or for fast food. So basically, if 52 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: he didn't really like you, he'd test you out with 53 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: like a coffee date, but if he really cared, it 54 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: would be extravagant. Yeah, pretty much. So, I mean it's extravagant. 55 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: What was it? Well, because I know what it was, 56 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: but are you trying? I wouldn't say it was extravagant. Well, 57 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: I think it was a big effort for a first effort. 58 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: So basically he planned all these surprises. So the first 59 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: thing was I got in the car and he had 60 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: a golf ball and he said we're going to put 61 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: put golf and then we drove there. His next plan 62 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: was to take me to ice cream. Then after ice cream, 63 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: he had these lists of questions that we could ask 64 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: one another so to get to know each other more. 65 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: Then he decorated. He drives a ute, and he decorated 66 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: the back of his ute. And it's funny now because 67 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: I obviously know him so well, and his car's always messy. 68 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: It was spotless this night. So he went to go 69 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: and get my favorite food, which is Margarita pizza, and 70 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: he drove me to this lookout area and he'd organized 71 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: this cute setup in the back and had his laptop 72 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: with a movie on it. This is the most effort 73 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: he's ever put into it. 74 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: Any other day. 75 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: The day then, oh my god, he won me over, 76 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: and then all of the dates were literally just sitting 77 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: around his room. What's amusing is that a lot of 78 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: girls would probably get the real ick from somebody putting 79 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: in that effort these days, because people kind of like 80 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: it when boys are mean to them. Initially, I say 81 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: the cutest thing. Well, he knows that I love Natella, 82 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: so he'd organize a thing of a teller. And you guys, 83 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: pay me out for saying I always eat it with 84 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: a spoon, and it also had all this like cute 85 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: chopped up fruit. But I later found out that his 86 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: sister had a lot to do with it. Oh, it's 87 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: pretty ballsy to do that for a first date, because 88 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: a lot of the time you might rock up on 89 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: a first date and be like this is not it, 90 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: Like I want to go, and then the guys got 91 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: all these other things organized. Fuck, I've got to get 92 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: through put part and then fucking y. In hindsight, that's 93 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: probably why the coffee date is so good as a 94 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: first date because you don't have to spend that much money. 95 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: You're only there for a short period of time and 96 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: it can extend into dinner or dessert. And I feel 97 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: like that is a real tester of someone because if 98 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: someone can't shout your coffee, I mean maybe at this 99 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: day and a between her like fucking twelve dollars. I 100 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: was born a boy. I've transitioned. That's why I'm very 101 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: open minded and just have a lot of fun because 102 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: I've had such a delay. Marrita First Sight UK has 103 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: divided opinions over its newest bride, Ella. Ella is the 104 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: show's first ever transgender contestant and will be appearing on 105 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: the upcoming eighth series of the UK spinoff. Now, while 106 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: many fans are thrilled about the inclusivity, the show is 107 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: copying a lot of backlash for opting to keep Ella's 108 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: transgender identity a secret from the groom until after the wedding. 109 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm all for inclusivity, but when I saw announcement, alarm 110 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: bells are ringing for me because it seems very similar 111 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: to the show. There's something about Miriam from back in 112 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, so for those who haven't seen 113 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: the show and are too young to remember, it was kind. 114 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: Of like The Bachelor. 115 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: So Miriam was this model and all these guys were 116 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: vuying for her attention. However, at the end, it was 117 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,119 Speaker 1: like this shock announcement that Miriam was actually a transgender woman. 118 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: And at the time when the men found out, I remember, 119 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: they absolutely kicked off and there were concerns over miriam safety. 120 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: They ended up having to bring in all this security 121 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: and they had to take her away from the mansion 122 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: because they were scared these men were going to attack her. 123 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: The premise of the show was humiliating the men, but 124 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: in doing so, I also felt like Miriam was humiliated 125 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: in the process because instead of this being a genuine 126 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: love story, it was this got your moment. It was 127 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: also like this guessing game because I remember part of 128 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: the show, the men started getting a bit suspicious because 129 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: they couldn't spend a lot of time with Miriam, and 130 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: then there was this open conversation about her features. Oh 131 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: is this masculine? And it was just so off. But 132 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: we've got to remember this was two thousand and four. Well, well, 133 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: the show was slammed at the time for exploiting the 134 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: unwilling contestants, and one reviewer wrote at the time the 135 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: whole premise of Something about Miriam was not a celebration 136 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: of transgender people's lives. It was designed to elicit horror 137 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: from the winning contestant discovering his dream date had a penis. 138 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: They also used to add in all of these off 139 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: jokes about Miriam's genitalia. I remember she was even on 140 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: Big Brother and they sent her into the house to 141 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: try and trick Ryan Fitzgerald. 142 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, we're sending her in. 143 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: With her tackle it, And that contestant was rewarded for 144 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: pointing out that she was transgender. Will the male contestants 145 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: on there's something about Miriam actually ended up suing the show, 146 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: so they alleged conspiracy to commit sexual assault, defamation, breach 147 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: of contract, and personal injury in the form of psychological 148 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: and emotional damage. Now that lawsuit actually delayed the airing 149 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: of the show. However, it did end up airing after 150 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: the men settled for an undiscus closed amount of money. 151 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: I think it's really sad because this show was an 152 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: opportunity back then to actually shine a light on transgender 153 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: lives and relationships, and Miriam could have really been held 154 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: up as a role model for the community. But it 155 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: actually brought so much hate and upset to the community. 156 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: It did the opposite of what it should have done. 157 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: And that's why I'm feeling a bit uneasy about this 158 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: recent announcement because it did result in a lot of 159 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: transphobic commentary, and to me, it doesn't sit well because 160 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: maths are actually using this announcement as a way to 161 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: get views, and while they may be saying, oh no, 162 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: it's very positive and inclusive, there are people watching to 163 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: see this groom's reaction because shock felure. Yeah, because if 164 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: they were really trying to be inclusive, it wouldn't be 165 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: a surprise to the groom after the wedding. They would 166 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: be upfront, but also it would be here's just another contestant. 167 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: The fact that I've got to spotlight it. Yeah, they're 168 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: promoting it. It's their big sort of reveal is and 169 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: people are going to tune in to watch it. That's 170 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: why they're doing it. And I feel like they're inviting 171 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: commentary on Ella's appearance because it's all about will she 172 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: be able to trick the groom into thinking that she's 173 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: a sis woman or will he be able to pick 174 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: up that she's transgender? And if you think back to 175 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: something about Miriam, it is putting Ella in a. 176 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: Really dangerous situation. 177 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: What happens if this guy finds out that night and 178 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: he's not happy about it, There's going to be some reaction. 179 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: That's what they're wanting. And the thing that also concerns 180 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: me is how heavily edited a show like Maths is. 181 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: So even if this groom does react in a way 182 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: that's positive, I'm sure that they'll cut up some comments 183 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: from his family or friends, or that there'll be some 184 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: derogatory comments made. And if you think about it, traditionally 185 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: on Maths, they often set up complete opposites so there 186 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: will be a reaction. So I'm assuming they're going to 187 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: set somebody up who isn't happy about being put with 188 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: a transformers. Well, I don't know, because a UKTV source 189 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: and a former contestant of the Australian Maths show has 190 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: confirmed applicants are actually asked if they're open to being 191 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: paired with someone who is trans. So the UKTV source 192 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: said Ella's groom was asked if he'd be open to 193 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: marrying a post op trans woman during the application process, 194 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: and he said yes, although he had no idea his 195 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: bride would be trans. The groom repeatedly said being paired 196 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: with a trans woman would not be a problem, and 197 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: Tarani from Maths Australia did say that during her application 198 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: process she was asked if she was open to being 199 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: matched with someone who was trans so, playing Devil's advocate, 200 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: maybe this is going to be a good thing in 201 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: terms of I feel like Maths is that water cooler 202 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: show where everyone still usually watches it and keeps up 203 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: with it and will talk about what's going on in 204 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: the show. And if this announcement is met with a 205 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: positive reaction from the groom, and all the contestants. Then 206 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: that may be very powerful and a good step forward 207 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: for the trans community. Yeah, I can definitely see where 208 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: you're coming from. It just makes me feel uncomfortable because 209 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: it is Maths, a mass is known for being tacky 210 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: and outrageous and trying to just get views. I would 211 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: actually be more comfortable if we explored this on the 212 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: first series of Mass because that was actually my favorite 213 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: when it was more set up like a documentary. 214 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's the thing. 215 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: This is the eighth season of the UK version of Maths, 216 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: and it was at the sixth season that they changed 217 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: to the format that Australia now knows. So I think, 218 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: knowing that it is going to be not good to 219 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: sensationalized in terms of ratings, I think they are going 220 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: to get a huge number of people tuning into the 221 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: first couple of episodes to see this big reveal. So 222 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: it seems like even though they're copying bad publicity for it, 223 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: bad publicity for TV shows. 224 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: Like this is good in the TV world. So many 225 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: people are going to chune in. 226 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: But I think people are going to be watching it 227 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: very closely, and if they don't handle it correctly, it 228 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: could be a really bad look for Maths. Yeah, it 229 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: could very much backfire out of this franchise. 230 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: Booked Ovia have a warehouse here, so we have the 231 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: best opportunity to get it to everyone. 232 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has responded to critics who slammed her cookbook 233 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: promotion as extra and unrealistic. On Friday, Sarah uploaded a 234 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: video of herself at the beach, sitting on a picnic 235 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: rug holing into a huge bowl of pasta, and it 236 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: was clear that she was trying to make this shoot 237 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: look very aesthetic. She had a ton of lemon sitting 238 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: by her side, some mineral water, and some bread, and 239 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: of course her cookbook was sitting next to her, perched 240 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: up perfectly. I don't know about you guys, but I 241 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: have never been to the beach and brought a bag 242 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: of lemons with me, like it was so ridiculous. Also, 243 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: I've got questions around the pasta because it's a home 244 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: cooked meal, but you're eating it at the beach, so 245 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: it's obviously cold. Some pasta can be cold, like a 246 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: pesto past but this wasn't one that would be cold. 247 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: Well to me, Sarah's always been very anti bread, anti pasta, 248 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: so it seems like this is the new branding for Sarah. 249 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: She's trying to put across this message I do eat bread, 250 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: I am going to have pastor did have eurosummer vibes, 251 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: which connects with the front cover of the book. I 252 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: actually do like the front cover. A lot of people 253 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: didn't though, whilst it did look extra and not really relatable, 254 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: I think at the same time, it is a cookbook promotion, 255 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: so what are you supposed to do? Yeah, but it 256 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: didn't make sense. I literally saw it and forwarded it 257 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: on to so many people, being like, what if this? 258 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: It just made me feel uncomfortable because she takes this 259 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: big bite of pasta. It's very performative, and I think 260 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: it's so against the brand that she has pitched for 261 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: so many years. Kind of reminds me of back in 262 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: the day when Hollywood celebrities would be interviewed for a 263 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: profile and they'd tuck into a huge burger or something. 264 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: But then they'd have these really slim figures. So it's 265 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: sort of like, I'm this cool girl who I'm so skinny, 266 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: so fit, yet look at me eating huge bowl of 267 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: pasta at the beach. I think it was on brand 268 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: for her though, because if you think if all of 269 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: her active wear campaigns, for example, her recent one, she 270 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: was in this mansion of a house and she was 271 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: putting on these that's pretty realistic to her. Yeah, but 272 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying she was putting on these sunglasses and wearing 273 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: these outfits and styling her hair in a way she 274 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: never normally would. She's always very over glamorized in all 275 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: of the ex emotions when in actual fact, I think 276 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: a promotion that would work is her interactive where with 277 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: her hair slipped back, with her kids cooking something. But 278 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's not on brand in terms of the 279 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: fitness rhetoric that she's been pushing for the last ten years. 280 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: Because I find the cookbook thing a little curious because 281 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: she did launch her app Sonny, and I mean, I 282 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: think it's made her a shit ton of money, but 283 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of backlash around the recipes that 284 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: are featured in it. Like I saw the other day 285 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: it was a recipe for baked beans on toast, So 286 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: I do wonder what the recipes will be like in 287 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: this book. I know she's moving away from being really 288 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: dietary restricted in terms of she is allowing recipes with 289 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: gluten and dairy in. 290 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: It this time. 291 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: But how does that work having a cooking app that 292 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: people are signing up for and then having the cookbook. 293 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: I wonder if people are gonna unsubscribe from the app 294 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: because they go, well, we've got it all in this 295 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: huge book, we don't need any more recipes. There is 296 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: a lot of speculation that the recipes are being rehashed 297 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: from the app because there's going to be one hundred 298 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: and thirteen recipes. But at the same time, I think 299 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: it's slightly different because you're buying the cookbook to have 300 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: as a decoration in your house, whether it's you put 301 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: it up in the kitchen or you actually do use 302 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: it as a coffee table book. I always find it 303 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: funny though, when people say, oh, this is to put 304 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: on your coffee table, because if you look at your 305 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: cookbooks that you use all the time, they're always covered 306 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: in food. And the thing is, I actually was going 307 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: to say I never use cookbooks anymore. I really like 308 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: them as a gift, but if I'm cooking dinner for 309 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: recent I always look things up on the internet, like 310 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: I always have tabs of recipes open. I think you're 311 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: approving the point though, that people will probably keep the 312 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: app because it's easier to use, and then they have 313 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: the coffee table book as the aesthetic thing. Now getting 314 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: into some of the criticism about this promotion, one follower 315 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: road awkward setup, to which Sarah responded, so you're telling 316 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: me you've never sat on the beach eating a family 317 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: sized portion of pasta with a beach bag and cookbook 318 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: standing upright? Lies? So she's having a bit of fun 319 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: with it. Another follower wrote, laughing my ass off, this 320 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: setup is so extra and not realistic, to which she replied, 321 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: you don't eat breakfast like this. I like that Sarah 322 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: is poking fun at herself, but it would be so 323 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: hard to be an influencer that shares all the relatable 324 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: and behind the scenes of the shoot and then for 325 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: the shoot to go up. That's why I think it 326 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: doesn't really make sense that she's trying to look so glamorous, 327 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: like is it to attract new customers. 328 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: That might not know about her life. 329 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: Your book Topia are selling the book, she is self 330 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: publishing it, and surely they would expect a certain amount 331 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: of promotion because I've seen they've done a few collaboration 332 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: posts with her. Yeah, but what I'm saying is, why 333 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: not be realistic more to your brand At the moment, 334 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: she really pictures herself as this stay at home mum 335 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: that loves being around the kids. In her life is chaotic. 336 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: Why not have a funny photo of her trying to 337 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: cook and she's like holding Malachai. And to be fair, 338 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: she does actually have a photo of her on the 339 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: website with the cookbook and her kids around her. It 340 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: sort of looks like one of those char shots that 341 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: probably would have done better on her Instagram feed. Yeah. 342 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: In terms of the biggest question about this book, everyone 343 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: wants to know how much it costs. Because Sarah was 344 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: responding to the criticism about the promotion, but she left 345 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: all the comments about how much the book costs on 346 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: red Basically there was no response to those, and that 347 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: led to a lot of people assuming that the price 348 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: was going to be quite hefty. Some people wrote under 349 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: the comments, Oh, I reckon, it's going to be two 350 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: hundred dollars YEA. 351 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: Well, she has now debunked those rumors sort a clip 352 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: from her Q and A. 353 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 3: I don't know who these people are who feel like 354 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: they have this inside scoop or they answer on behalf 355 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: of me. But in my previous posts about the cookbook, 356 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: people have been replying being like, it's two hundred dollars 357 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 3: or no, it's seventy five. I don't know where they 358 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: are getting this intel, but can I say based off 359 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,239 Speaker 3: two hundred dollars and seventy five dollars, you'll be pleasantly surprised. 360 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: But depending where you are in the world, it will 361 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: kind of look different. Depending on USD and OZ and 362 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: certain countries it's free shipping, whereas other countries it's not. 363 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: It's just the way that shipping and like distubition works, 364 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: but it's it's not two hundred dollars. So tomorrow you'll 365 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: go on the book Tokyo website and you'll see that 366 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: the regular retail price is sixty four ninety nine, but 367 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: for pre order you're gonna save ten percent, which it 368 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: comes down to fifty eight ninety nine, and you get 369 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: free shipping. 370 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: What did you guys think about the price? I actually 371 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: think it's pretty reasonable. That's a price point that I 372 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: would pay for a hardcovered cookbook. I want to know 373 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: what the physical book actually looks like, though, because the 374 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: book that Sarah has been shooting with is a mock 375 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: up book, so she's only received the cover, like the 376 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: outer cover of the book, and she's been putting another 377 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: book inside of it. So I want to know how 378 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: thick it is, because this is reminding me of when 379 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: Madison Wooley released her book a couple of years ago, 380 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: and it was called twenty three Things I Think I Know, 381 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: and it was touted as this coffee table book, but 382 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: it was actually really thin and she sold it for 383 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: one hundred and ten dollars. So Sarah's Day's Cookbook actually 384 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: seems like quite a good deal to me. 385 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: Hi, everyone, and welcome back to my channel. 386 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: My name's Floyzep and two days video is going to 387 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: be a hole of video. Chloe Zepp has launched a 388 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: new Instagram account to provide holistic advice to her followers now. 389 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: The account is called Chloe zep Holistic and it first 390 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: went active on the first of September and it's sitting 391 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: on about two nine hundred followers, so it doesn't have 392 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: a huge following yet. Has she even promoted this on 393 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: her regular account because I did not know it well. 394 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: It is listed in her bio, but that appears to 395 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: be the only promotion so far, So what is she 396 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: actually posting on this This is all about crystals and moonwater. Well, 397 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: in her description she says things that work for me 398 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: personally in health, motherhood, spirituality, self care, business, self development, 399 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: and life. And she does preface in the caption that 400 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: she is not providing medical advice. I'm confused because this 401 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: is basically her content on her regular feed. Is she 402 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: moving away from posting that as Chloe Zepp because she's 403 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: trying to keep her active war brands separate from her 404 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: controversial views. Yeah, it could be the case, And I 405 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: was really interested to actually look at the posts. 406 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 2: That she was sharing. 407 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: So she's only shared two posts so far, and in 408 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: the first she provides advice on hydration. And it was 409 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: quite odd because you know, at the moment, we're seeing 410 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people being really created with reels, and 411 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: it was just this weird sort of it was just 412 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: a photo of a coconut with writing over the top. 413 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: It was very twenty fifteen, and she wrote that this 414 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: is a hydration act and she said her followers should 415 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: use fresh coconuts and add traces of minerals, and she 416 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: went into the fact that she gets special water delivered 417 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: to her house. Oh is that that we did a 418 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: story on that word. This is obviously something she's very 419 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: passionate about. Though, maybe she is trying to generate a 420 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: different following that follow her currently because she did get 421 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: most of her following off the back of being best 422 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: friends with Shane Grimman and also her YouTube account with 423 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: Mitch Orville. Maybe she wants a following that's more wo 424 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: woo when open mind. But I feel like a lot 425 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: of those people are already following her. I think this 426 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: is very strange to segment your views on your Instagram. 427 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: Instagram is all about having a personal profile. It's all 428 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: about Chloe, and this is a big part of her 429 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: life that she seems to be trying to take away 430 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: from her public profile. But again having a public too, 431 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't makes sense. I see it differently to you guys. 432 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: I think that since she and Mitch have found God, 433 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: they seem to be doing stuff. For example, Mitch has 434 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: joined his dad's real estate business. Chloe's now started this 435 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: Instagram account. I think she's gone, this is something I'm 436 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: interested in. I'm not going to promote it to all 437 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: these people. I actually think it's just because she's passionate 438 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: about it. She's doing it for fun. She's always been 439 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: passionate about this, so she turned it into a business. 440 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: She had the Bloom apph that's pretty realistic. She then 441 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: had Wellware. Well. I remember a couple of years ago 442 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: when she was getting into fitness, and this was before 443 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: she had ZEP. She created a separate account where she 444 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: could share her fitness journey on there, and subsequently, because 445 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: she developed quite a large following, that was changed over 446 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: to ZEP. So maybe she's about to release some sort 447 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: of holistic brand, maybe her own water. Ooh, that's a 448 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: good point. 449 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: That's a good point. 450 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: He's moving in with his brother and he's always dreamed 451 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: of living with his little brother. TikToker Maya Police has 452 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: gone viral for sharing an update about her living situation. 453 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: So the twenty six year old revealed her boyfriend is 454 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: moving out of the apartment they have lived in together 455 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: for a year. 456 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: And a half. The kicker is he's moving in with 457 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: his little brother. 458 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Now. Maya has insisted that they're not breaking up, but 459 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: it's just a new phase in their lives. 460 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: Let's throw to what she said. 461 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: It's not some kind of traditional contract that he's signed like, 462 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: once you move in with your boyfriend, you mustle together until. 463 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 2: Marriage and then you have kids. 464 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: And I'm also twenty six and he's only twenty four, 465 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: so if he's gonna live with his little brother, like, 466 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 3: now's the time to do it. 467 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 2: But don't get me wrong. 468 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: When he first told me the idea, I was like, 469 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 3: m little fool. As I thought more about it, I 470 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: was like, wait, this is a great idea. 471 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: Maya went on to say that she hopes the new 472 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: situation will allow the couple to come together for intentional time. 473 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: She also prefaces that she's never lived by herself before 474 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: and she can be very particular and has a lot 475 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: of sleeping issues. As for her boyfriend, he'll just be 476 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: living one mile away from her. I'm guessing you're saying 477 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: that it's an issue because the brother is younger and 478 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: he might be out partying and bringing girls back. Is 479 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: that the assumption. 480 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: Well, it has set. 481 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: Off a lot of alarm bells for her TikTok followers, 482 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: so at the time of recording, the video has amassed 483 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: over fourteen thousand comments and seven million views, and the 484 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: majority of comments are saying this is a negative sign. 485 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: One person wrote it's a canon event that they can't 486 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: interfere with. While many people warned Maya to get ready 487 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: for a breakup, it does seem like a step backward, 488 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: doesn't It Like moving in together is a step forward 489 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: in the relationship. A lot of people are saying, but 490 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: he's lived with his brother at home, like he's lived 491 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: with his brother for eighteen plus years. 492 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: This sounds like an excuse. 493 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: And I think this girl is getting broken up with 494 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: because there is nothing worse than breaking up with someone 495 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: when you live with them, because then you've got the 496 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: awkward thing of having to split up your possession and 497 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: it gets very messy. This is a slow breakup, as 498 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: you say, he's trying to remove his items from the house. 499 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: He's trying to get out while everyone's nice and happy 500 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: about it. And then as soon as he's out that door, 501 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: they'll be having a load of girls back at their 502 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: place and it'll be a bachelor. But also there is 503 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: a little bit of an age difference. 504 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: There's two years. 505 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: But it's quite clear that this guy is sick of 506 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: the responsibility of living with a girl. He wants to 507 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: go play PlayStation with his brother and live in a 508 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: shithole it's like. 509 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: He's used her sleeping as an excuse. 510 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: Even for her to say, Oh, I'm a difficult sleeper, 511 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: it's sort of putting that blame back on her. I 512 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: saw a video with soph You Love Them, Jed Barker 513 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: and Image and Crib and they were talking about how 514 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: they've had a lease, I think for two years, and 515 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: that after this most recent lease, they want to live 516 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: apart as well, because they want to experience life apart 517 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: from each other. Being so young, I think their early twenties, 518 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: it can be quite good for some relationships, because I 519 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: think it's really bad if you're all set up with 520 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: a partner in your early twenties and you don't get 521 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: to experience hanging out with your girlfriends, having your friends 522 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: stay over, and it could strengthen their relationship. And that 523 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: is what Maya has been saying that she's never lived 524 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: by herself, so is a good opportunity to do that. 525 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: And she actually did a follow up video she was 526 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of taking the piss out of the negative commentary. 527 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: She did a pros and CON's list, and one of 528 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: the pros was that it will be nice to have 529 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: friends over and not her boyfriend there. She actually spent 530 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: time with her friends without him. There Isn't that the 531 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: worst thing, because we all obviously live with our partners, 532 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: and sometimes you do just want to have your girlfriends over, 533 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: but you can't have to time it when they're e 534 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: they're out of the house, or they've got something to do. 535 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of like back in the day when you'd 536 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: invite people over to your parents' house. 537 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to tire it. I was so sick 538 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: of trying every single skincare brand under the planet for 539 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 2: real and nothing working. 540 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: So I came up with my own, fucking I came 541 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: up with my TikToker and OnlyFans. Creator Anna paul is 542 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: being compared to beauty mogul Kylie Jenna after a skincare brand, 543 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: Paulie attracted a six figure wait list and sold out 544 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: in just seven minutes over the weekend. Now so in 545 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: the lead up to the launch, and it gave her 546 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: first ever interview to The Australian Financial Review. Yeah is 547 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: wild to think that she's actually never given an interview 548 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: to any other media publication before. And I feel like 549 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: it just shows how powerful her platform is on its 550 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,239 Speaker 1: own and that connection she has with her followers and 551 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: what an interview to give to the AFR as well. 552 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: It's not like it's like Cosmopolitan magage. Yeah exactly. I mean, 553 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure that it was set up by her new 554 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: business partner, Sam Magnan, who is not only the CEO 555 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: of James Cosmetics but also the director of a pr 556 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: agency called Spin and Co. Now, The far described Paulie's 557 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: launch as one of the country's biggest skincare launchers in 558 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: recent history. 559 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: So that was a pretty big. 560 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: Callway then, particularly when Zoifoster Blake has launched Go to 561 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: Skincare in the last couple of years and it's been 562 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: so massive. Yeah. Well, I think that they said it 563 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: was so massive due to the weightlist. As you said, Amy, 564 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: her weightlist grew to six figures, which isn't really surprising 565 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: because whether it's coincidence or not, Anna and her long 566 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: term boyfriend Glenn Thompson, they announced their shock split just 567 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: a few weeks before, so this breakup meant that Anna's 568 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: engagement was at a record high. Because their breakup video 569 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: it attracted forty reviews. I have been seeing on TikTok 570 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: people are saying maybe the breakup was a publicity stunt. 571 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: For Paulie and they're hoping that maybe Glenn and Anna 572 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 1: will get back together. People were saying the same thing 573 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: about Addison Mchayla, and look how that one's turned out. Now. 574 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: Anna's skincare brand, Paulie, is already being compared to Kylie 575 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: Jenner's makeup empire Kylie Cosmetics, and the AFR pointed out 576 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: that when Kylie launched her lip kits in twenty fifteen, 577 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: she sold out fifteen thousand lipsticks in less than a minute, 578 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: and this was a very similar story for Anna because 579 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: on the morning of the launch, Anna took to her 580 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: socials to let her ten million followers know it was 581 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: almost live, and it was so fascinating because she showed 582 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: the back end of the website and it was updating 583 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: in real time, and I was so surprised to see 584 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: how much of her audience was actually spread all over 585 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: the world, because not only did she have really strong 586 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: numbers in Australia, but also America, the UK and all 587 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: across Europe. And half an hour before the launch there 588 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: were already ten thousand people waiting on the site and 589 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: when it finally went live, that number climbed to thirty thousand. People, 590 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: and it took just four minutes for the box sets 591 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: to completely sell out, and then seven minutes for all 592 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: of the items to sell out. I would love to 593 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: know how many items were for sale because obviously Sam 594 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: Mangan has set this deal up with the AFR, so 595 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: it is a brilliant hook to say, wow, she's like 596 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: Kylie Jennet. 597 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: She sold out in minutes. 598 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: There were thousands of people on the site. I'm assuming 599 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: she would have sold hundreds of thousands of products. Well, again, 600 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: that waitlist was so important for them to gauge how 601 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: many she needed and to plan for that as well, 602 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: because yes, it is a great pr movie if you're like, 603 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: oh wow, she sold out so many products, but if 604 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: people aren't actually receiving them and then going on too 605 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: TikTok and reviewing them and talking about them, well, Anna 606 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: was really conscious of not disappointing anyone, and she did 607 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: say after the item sold out that they have started 608 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: production on more units than they should be out soon. 609 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: If you do look at the comparison of Kylie and Anna, 610 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: it is really flattering to Anna because if you compare 611 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: their followings, Kylie Jenner has three hundred and ninety nine 612 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: million followers on Instagram compared to Anna Paul's two point 613 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: five and even on TikTok, Kylie Jennet well surpasses Anna. 614 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: She has fifty four point five million compared to Anna's 615 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: seven point two million. Yeah, but she wouldn't have had 616 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: that many million back in twenty fifteen. Like Kylie Jennet 617 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: is massive now. But you've got to remember she was 618 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: the cut Ashian sister that no one really cared about. 619 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: She was the youngest, and suddenly she started stealing the 620 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: spotlight away from her oldest sisters. It was very progressive. 621 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: And then suddenly when she brought out the lip kits, 622 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: I think that was her biggest time on social media 623 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: in terms of this is this switch over to a 624 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: great celebrity. It was on Snapchat a lot of her 625 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: promotions as well, when Snapchat was a bit And I 626 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: suppose that's why they're making the comparison because Anna Paul 627 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: has solely used social media to sell out of this product. 628 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: The AFI also took a look at Anna Paul's business strategy, 629 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: which I found really interesting because people might not know, 630 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: but Anna Paul has only ever worked with Stacks before. Yeah, 631 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: because she is approached literally daily by brands wanting to 632 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: partner with her, both local and international brands, but she's 633 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: always knocked them back. Yeah, and the AFI actually interviewed 634 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: Jesse Marshall from Hive HQ, which is a public relations firm, 635 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: and Jesse said that they've sent Anna multiple proposals for 636 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: product collaborations and they simply don't hear back from her. 637 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: But one day, Anna just authentically shared one of the 638 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: lingerie brands that they sent her and in forty eight hours, 639 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: that brand wrapped up thirty five thousand dollars worth of sales. 640 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: Her strategy is a bit like Kayla. It's seeness is 641 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: because Kayla is not to work with a lot of brands, 642 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: so when she does something, people actually go, oh wow, 643 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: Kayla must authentically believe in this product or brand. Yeah. Yeah, well, 644 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: Anna did say in the article, it's very flattering that 645 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: people would want to work with me, But I don't 646 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: post online for people to have ads in their face. 647 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: I want people to watch me and trust every word. 648 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 2: I say. 649 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: There's enough selling online and I really think that this 650 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: is one of the main reasons this skincare brand is 651 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: already proving to be successful because Anna hasn't sat there 652 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: with a handout, constantly pushing brands and asking her audience 653 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: for money, which means that her followers are seeing this 654 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: skincare brand as being something that's authentic and they want 655 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: to support her wholeheartedly. You say that she hasn't ask 656 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: some money, but she does have an OnlyFans account, which 657 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: where all her money comes from, so it's a different strategy. 658 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: She's managed to cultivate earnings from OnlyFans, so she doesn't 659 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: have to do it. Because if an influencer isn't earning 660 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: money off OnlyFans, that's the only way to actually get income, 661 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: if they have to trade their content for income. I 662 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: do wonder if Anna's collaboration with Stax was the turning point, 663 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: because he did seem very passionate about that collaboration. 664 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: We saw the huge. 665 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: Meet and greets going on. She shut down Perth. Maybe 666 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: she's like, well there's something here. Yeah, well we're going 667 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: to wrap things up there. But if you do want 668 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: to hear more content from us, then subscribe to Outspoken Plus. 669 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: All the details are in the show notes. Our reviews 670 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: looking quite pitiful at the moment. Amy even looked at 671 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: them the other day, which is a big thing. 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