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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the eighteenth of October.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Emma Gillespie, the deputy editor here at

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Speaker 3: the Daly oz.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, Australia's neighbor, New Zealand held its general election,

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Speaker 2: or more fondly, the Battle of the Chrises.

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Speaker 3: That's right. On the same day Australians went to the

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Speaker 3: polls for the referendum, Labor in New Zealand, led by

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Speaker 1: As it stands, Labor is not in the position to

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Speaker 3: And the election, we'll have more.

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Speaker 2: On what the key issues of the election were, who

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Speaker 2: first m what's making headlines.

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Speaker 3: The Victorian government has tabled legislation to approve a trial

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Speaker 2: A fifty six year old man has died in New

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Speaker 3: US President Joe Biden will visit Israel today. US Secretary

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Speaker 2: And today's good news, Australian quantum scientist Michelle Simmons has

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Speaker 2: She's won a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars cash prize.

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Speaker 2: It's been a massive few weeks of news to say

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Speaker 3: Here we are, and look in our defense there was

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Speaker 3: But the National Party, led by Christopher Luxen, aren't quite

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Speaker 3: A lot of us will remember where we were when

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Speaker 3: He's only been in politics since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if that's happened a lot before, someone who

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Speaker 3: Don't even get me started. ACT in New Zealand picked

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what I'm hearing is that Chris Laxen and

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Speaker 3: under the influence of alcohol. So this kind of left

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Speaker 3: National and Act open to paint Labor as being soft

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Speaker 3: on crime. Both parties announced a ruff of policies to

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Speaker 2: So and you said that there's still a bit to

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Speaker 2: take us through where to from here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as I flagged, National have fifty seats, but

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Speaker 3: they need sixty one. So this other minor party, the

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Speaker 3: ACT Party, secured eleven seats at the election. I'm not

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Speaker 3: great at maths, but I think that takes us to

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Speaker 3: the perfect number sixty one. ACT have said as a

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Speaker 3: conservative party that they would support the National Party ahead

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Speaker 3: of the election, and the parties have met up today.

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Speaker 3: They'll continue meetings to negotiate what then new coalition will

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Speaker 3: look like. So you know, that includes figuring out who

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Speaker 3: will have what roles in the cabinet. Acts doesn't have

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Speaker 3: they'll still be looking to lock in some key roles.

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Speaker 3: But then there is another factor at play here too.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand has something called special votes, which are like

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Speaker 3: when you're outside of your electorate or you know, you

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Speaker 3: So those votes get sent back to the electorate that

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Speaker 3: they were cast in and then they get counted. And

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Speaker 3: New Zealand media are reporting that there is a possibility

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Speaker 3: Now National and ACT then wouldn't have sixty one seats,

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't be able to form a coalition on their own,

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Speaker 3: so then we'd be looking at a coalition of three parties.

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Speaker 3: They would then look to work with Winston Peters of

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Speaker 3: NZ first spoke about him earlier in the episode. But

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Speaker 3: really a lot of this is up in the air

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Speaker 3: for the next couple of weeks and it may take

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Speaker 3: some time before we definitively know how government will be

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Speaker 3: formed by the National and the coalition it works with,

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Speaker 3: so we'll keep an eye on that, but certainly an

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Speaker 3: interesting political landscape in New Zealand and lots of change.

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Speaker 2: Em Thanks for joining us on the pod today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me