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Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning. It's time for the week

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Speaker 1: that was, and the band is back together. Lea Fanocchiaro,

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Speaker 1: the Opposition lad, good morning.

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Speaker 2: To good morning Katie and to your listeners, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 1: And we've also got Natasha Files, the Health Minister, Good

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Speaker 1: morning to your files. Morning.

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Speaker 3: I feel like a first day at school.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then we've got Kisi Epuic and Kisi Epuric

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Speaker 1: good morning to you, Morning morning bush people, and of

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Speaker 1: course good morning to Tom Morgan from the NT News.

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Speaker 1: Now I do just want to point out that Kapuric

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Speaker 1: has brought in some sorts, some fighting.

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Speaker 4: Show and tell at school today. Can you hear them?

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Speaker 5: Tasha's first day? That's show and tell?

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Speaker 1: For me?

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Speaker 5: They're too antique sword because I thought Lea the Opposition

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Speaker 5: leader and Natasha being the minister, and they're sufficiently a

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Speaker 5: sword length apartment jewel going on this morning, Tony down Age,

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Speaker 5: I thought they'd best be equipped for this duel.

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Speaker 4: Though we didn't need.

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Speaker 3: You'll just use words as an ornament. Well, let's get

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Speaker 3: into it.

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Speaker 1: There is certainly so much to cover off on, as

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Speaker 1: I say every Friday, I think, but the Independent Commissioner

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Speaker 1: against Corruption has launched an investigation into the use of

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Speaker 1: TiO Stadium without an occupancy permit. Now the NT News

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Speaker 1: a report by Tom Morgan I'm reading from on the

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Speaker 1: same day. This is on the same day that the

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Speaker 1: Infrastructure Minister Evil Laula declared such a certification would not

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Speaker 1: be required for the facility. So in a government gazette

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Miss Laula said that the building would be

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Speaker 1: exempted from requiring an occupancy certification until the thirtieth of June. Tom,

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Speaker 1: I know that you contacted the KAC Commissioner, Michael Riches

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Speaker 1: and he has confirmed that he's launched this investigation on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to our listeners what exactly this means.

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Speaker 6: So every building in the territory, most buildings in the

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Speaker 6: territory in an occupancy permit. There's been trouble with too

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Speaker 7: I believe it is.

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Speaker 6: But nevertheless, games and what not have been going on.

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Speaker 6: People have been using the grandstand for various reasons and

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Speaker 6: that has potentially been in breach of the law.

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Speaker 7: It still isn't very clear right now.

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Speaker 6: Why the IKAK in particular has launched this investigation. What

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Speaker 6: we do know is on Wednesday, both the IKAK launched

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Speaker 6: published a gazette basically exempting the stadium from needing. That

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Speaker 6: she has the ability to do that as the minister.

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Speaker 6: But whether or not the investigation is looking into what

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Speaker 6: Lawla has done, or whether it's looking into more broadly

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Speaker 6: the stadium's use, that is still a Christian out.

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Speaker 1: Stand I guess a lot of people listening this morning

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Speaker 6: I mean, I want to just mentioned that the KAK

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Speaker 6: sure why then they wouldn't be able to get an

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Speaker 2: To add as well, it's a double standard. Excuse me

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Speaker 2: it Sai, it's a double standard. I mean, what if

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Speaker 2: the government can't even have occupancy certificates for its own buildings,

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Speaker 2: yet we require every developer, everyone in the industry to

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Speaker 2: that and the reality is back in August twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: Labor admitted that the TOO Stadium didn't have that occupancy permit.

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Speaker 2: One would assume that they would have been investing in whatever.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what the infrastructure upgrades need

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Speaker 6: I think the Kaks seemed to be that they seem

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Speaker 6: I you know, what they said to me is that

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Speaker 5: I think there's there's there's history to the certification and

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Speaker 5: it just cascaded across the territory where it was discovered

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Speaker 5: of roughly the background. But I think what Tom's story

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Speaker 5: It's basically still your completion.

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Speaker 7: I also been trying to get that certification.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, my understanding is there's been a new roof, there's

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Speaker 8: I mean, this facility was built in the early nineties.

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Speaker 8: as Kesier rightly said that Tenant Creek Red Ricester highlighted

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Speaker 8: I think for quite a number of years. Giles lifted it.

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Speaker 2: I think we're clutching at Strells when we go back

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Speaker 2: and try and blame the late Fred Finch.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how ridiculous Labor lab.

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Speaker 2: I have been in power for seventeen of the last

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Speaker 2: twenty one years. Seventeen of the last twenty one years

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Speaker 2: go to place to blame this, right, that is the truth.

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Speaker 4: That is the truth.

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Speaker 1: Nine years Sorry Tom, you go.

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Speaker 6: Well, can I just ask both Leah and Natasha would

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Speaker 8: Oh? I mean, and the facility has been in place

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Speaker 8: there a couple of weeks ago. I think that, of course,

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Speaker 1: Lea, We do you still go go to games and

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Speaker 1: certain and different things Tigers.

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Speaker 5: Yes, still, I'd still recommend see in the last three years,

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Speaker 1: There, jenetty sorts of things.

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Speaker 5: And there is a catering business that is within the

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of businesses and activity that's associated with

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Speaker 5: done the declaration and I'm speculating to give some breathing

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Speaker 5: But go back to what Tom said, what exactly is

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Speaker 5: the IK investigating? I mean, they don't have to tell

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Speaker 5: what they're doing, but what are they investigating the Minister's

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Speaker 6: Could be Section sixty six, which of the Building Acts

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Speaker 6: nineteen ninety three, which says a person may not promote

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Speaker 1: Well, right, and they go will you still attend events

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Speaker 2: and it looks like the icas on top of that look.

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Speaker 1: One thing that I want to point out. I know

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Speaker 4: Of the building requirements. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people listening are going to be going, well,

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Speaker 1: why is it okay for the government, but it's not

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the question. The other question perhaps to ask,

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Speaker 5: like of that whole big swag across the territory that

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Speaker 5: I mean all the schools had that health clinics built

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Speaker 4: It is a double standard.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my electorate has got lots of new developments

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Speaker 2: and it so people can't move into their brand new,

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Speaker 2: you know, absolutely it's excited to get in. They've got

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Speaker 2: a wait to get that certificate. You know, we ask

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Speaker 1: Look, let's take a very short break. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: They can't bury their head in the sand anymore.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was just in Alice Springs and crime

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Speaker 2: But you know, this government need to acknowledge there's a

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Speaker 5: Katie, I can recall sitting in here a year ago.

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Speaker 5: Well, what's driving I think is a culture within a

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Speaker 2: Idea on the stats alcohol related assaults when you compare

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Speaker 2: a Riley review, we've got a band drink of register,

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Speaker 4: It's clearly not working.

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Speaker 4: Delivery is going.

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Speaker 2: We need to have a very clear assessment of what's

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Speaker 4: Have scrapped it.

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Speaker 2: Well, one hundred and seventy percent increase under Labour's watch

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Speaker 4: We would review it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, at one hundred and seventy percent increase,

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Speaker 1: I think that that's quite a distraction. Like I do

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Speaker 3: They're just a question. She was bringing it out, so

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Speaker 8: There is a huge body of work, and I think

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Speaker 8: We've be secure in terms of alcohol policy. It's a

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon we're seeing that increase then in the

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Speaker 8: We saw it increase with those payments in COVID early on,

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Speaker 8: When you put a liquor license into a remote community,

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Speaker 8: So that was the federal intervention legislation was put in place.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that, you know, if other communities are

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Speaker 8: So we want to have functioning remote communities. We want

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Speaker 1: And when will you be reviewing the BDR and when

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Speaker 8: I think we're constantly reviewing our policies. We're constantly looking

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Speaker 8: Mall and there's.

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Speaker 4: Little kids right there.

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Speaker 3: So it's not just.

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Speaker 1: An issue where you're seeing break ins, where you're seeing

443
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Speaker 1: businesses disrupted, but you're also seeing you know, children exposed

444
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Speaker 1: to domestic violence and some really terrible situations.

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Speaker 8: Alcohol causes a significant amount of harm across our community

446
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Speaker 8: is unacceptable and the long term consequences and it's not

447
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Speaker 8: just one cohort of the community, Katie, it is across

448
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 8: different aspects. You know, what can go on behind closed

449
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Speaker 8: doors is just as horrific as what happens, you know,

450
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Speaker 8: in public. And so I think we need to continue

451
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Speaker 8: in this space working with NGOs and as I pointed

452
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Speaker 8: to it, and I won't, in the sake of time go

453
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Speaker 8: back over it, but there's multifaceted approach that needs to

454
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Speaker 8: be in place, from the supply through to the rehabilitation

455
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Speaker 8: and the therapeutic you know, in terms of alcohol, I

456
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Speaker 8: mean it's a legal drug.

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Speaker 3: And so we have to make sure that we provide

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Speaker 3: it responsible for.

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Speaker 1: People listening this morning who are thinking, then, why is

460
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Speaker 1: the issue getting worse or seemingly getting worse?

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Speaker 5: I think it's a it's a question, and there's probably

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Speaker 5: many many answers. Why is it getting worse? Because it's

463
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Speaker 5: like you get a fix at this particular level and

464
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Speaker 5: then that doesn't that doesn't satisfy you anymore, so you

465
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Speaker 5: have to go to the next level, whatever that is

466
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Speaker 5: of extreme behavior. Now, for example, that the young people

467
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Speaker 5: who broke into the IDA at Fanny Bay, they don't

468
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Speaker 5: have the money in their pocket. They want it. They

469
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Speaker 5: want the product to either consume themselves or to sell,

470
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Speaker 5: so get money to consume something else. So they go.

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Speaker 5: They keep ropchetting up the behavior. So why is it happening?

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Speaker 5: It's a combination of things. I don't think there's any

473
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Speaker 5: single factor you can point to, but I'd say there's

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Speaker 5: there's definitely some cultural and some behavioral issues and attitude

475
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Speaker 5: issues that are in the mix. Like you've got it,

476
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Speaker 5: I want it, therefore I'm going to take it.

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Speaker 2: But also there's no consequences, right, So that's that's part

478
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Speaker 2: of the well. I'd love to know what happened to

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Speaker 2: the people who break into the idea.

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Speaker 4: You know, we never generally get to hear whatever happened.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the same government who wants to

482
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Speaker 2: raise the age of criminal responsibility, which means people under

483
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Speaker 2: that age will never be able to be charged, never

484
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Speaker 2: see the inside of a courtroom, never be held criminally responsible,

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Speaker 2: even if they knew what they were doing and deliberately

486
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Speaker 2: did it. So you know, it's fine to say these things, Natasha,

487
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Speaker 2: but ultimately your government is presided over enormous increases in crime,

488
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Speaker 2: enormous increases in alcohol related assaults. Domestic violence is up

489
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Speaker 2: thirty eight percent across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: These are catastrophic figures.

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Speaker 2: I mean when I was in Allis, just about every

492
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Speaker 2: second person was saying to me crime, crime, crime, and

493
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Speaker 2: this is why we're leaving and we can't have that.

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Speaker 2: It's unsustainable crisis point levels.

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Speaker 4: We need something desperately.

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Speaker 2: People just want to see the government acknowledges a problem,

497
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Speaker 2: outline its short, medium and long term plan so that

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Speaker 2: everyone can have confidence something will be done.

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Speaker 6: And can I just raise when there were youth bail

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Speaker 6: law changes made last year the Police Minister came out

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Speaker 6: and said a couple of weeks after, oh, we're seeing

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Speaker 6: some green shoots. We're seeing some early signs of progress.

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Speaker 6: If that's actually come to fruition or if this is

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Speaker 6: if youth bail laws have failed to make any difference

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Speaker 6: at all, there needs to be some answers.

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Speaker 4: They're a total failure, total total.

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Speaker 1: Will let yeah this on.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're investing heavily in the root causes, as an

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Speaker 8: I outlines before, but we're also identifying issues around working through.

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Speaker 8: But in terms of those youth bail laws, be happy

511
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Speaker 8: to go away and ask for the statistics around it.

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Speaker 4: I've got them.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You you were arrested one hundred and twenty two times.

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Speaker 2: There were sixty two arrests where a youth offender was

516
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Speaker 2: on bail already at the time of that arrest, and

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Speaker 2: then forty four of those went on to get bailed again.

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Speaker 2: So this is someone's been arrested and bowed.

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Speaker 3: But decision police then no, no, of course you're not

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Speaker 3: knowing the decisions and going to.

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Speaker 2: Us cut me wrong and misleading the police and the

522
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Speaker 2: judgistic purpose. This comes out of government. Government sent me

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Speaker 2: these statistics. I did not make them they are in

524
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Speaker 2: written questions. The laws at the police and the courts

525
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Speaker 2: have to implement the law. So this is your legal

526
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Speaker 2: framework that is permitting the revolving door of val Your

527
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Speaker 2: own statistics which come from government speak for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think at the moment what we can all

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Speaker 1: agree on, and I know that very often our listeners

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Speaker 1: get quite frustrated hearing this conversation when it comes to

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Speaker 1: to certainly to youth crime and also to the alcohol

532
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Speaker 1: misuse that we're seeing at the moment. And I think

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Speaker 1: the reason for that is because it feels in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways that some of this behavior has just

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Speaker 1: become acceptable, Like we've just gone okay, well, we're going

536
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Speaker 1: to see youths allegedly holding up two elderly women at

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Speaker 1: knife point throughout the northern suburbs during the week, and

538
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Speaker 1: we report on it. You know, we all agree that

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Speaker 1: it's not okay, and then nothing happens. And I think

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Speaker 1: that this is where people are feeling incredibly frustrated and

541
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Speaker 1: they're feeling really disheartened. And then you look on the

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Speaker 1: streets and you're seeing that image that we saw, you know,

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Speaker 1: from outside the Fanny Bay IgA last week, where there's

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Speaker 1: the brawl outside. Then you're seeing that imagery from Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs throughout this week and you're seeing little kids there

546
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Speaker 1: while there's a brawl happening, and we're all just thinking

547
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Speaker 1: to ourselves at Wark we go against yes, and at

548
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Speaker 1: what point is something going to change? And I don't

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Speaker 1: think that there's a lack of will or a lack

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Speaker 1: of want for you know, for that change. But I

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Speaker 1: think the political games have got to stop as well.

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Speaker 1: To some degree, we've just got to go, do you

553
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Speaker 1: know what, We've got a problem, let's bloody sort this

554
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Speaker 1: out well.

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Speaker 7: We then needs to be bipartisan.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we're very happy to.

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Speaker 2: We've put up our own legislation which has been rejected.

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Speaker 2: I know, Yingam Mark Goola has tried to put in

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Speaker 2: place a select committee of the Parliament to look at

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Speaker 2: this issue, which we supported, Government voted down. We've put

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Speaker 2: forward a number of policies and solutions. We talk about

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Speaker 2: it during question time, we talk about it in motions

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Speaker 2: in the Parliament. We are happy to sit at that table,

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Speaker 2: but Government don't want us.

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Speaker 1: There is that true filesy.

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Speaker 3: No, I disagree. I mean Lee's just been created a

567
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Speaker 3: political tell me to day.

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Speaker 1: Daytime and let it finish and will do you guys

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Speaker 1: want them.

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Speaker 5: There so the table with you.

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Speaker 8: So in terms of addressing these issues, it is going

572
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Speaker 8: to take that answer.

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Speaker 3: Of course, we work cross the community.

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Speaker 8: We also need the leader of the opposition to not

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Speaker 8: come in here and just sprout statistics to try and

576
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Speaker 8: paint the negative picture, because.

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Speaker 3: We know that's all she does. And so for us, we're.

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Speaker 8: Working really hard on this, not only with police but

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Speaker 8: in the other areas. And it's some of the areas

580
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Speaker 8: that won't grab the headlines that aren't as glamorous that

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Speaker 8: long term investment that takes effort and many many years

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Speaker 8: to drive that change. But we're certainly putting in place

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Speaker 8: the short term measures, you know, things such as the

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Speaker 8: bees secure and looking at that, and that's something that's

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Speaker 8: under review because we know with a number of businesses

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Speaker 8: there's some elements there that could be rectified that would

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Speaker 8: be more supportive. But also making sure that those other

588
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Speaker 8: things that don't necessarily grab the headlines are in place

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Speaker 8: so we can see safe community very.

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Speaker 1: Quick one with that be secure with the businesses who

591
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Speaker 1: were unable to get roller shutters or roller doors on

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Speaker 1: their businesses, can there be a rethink here or is

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Speaker 1: there able to be some look into this to help

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Speaker 1: them out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katy, you asked me about that earlier in the week.

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Speaker 8: It's around a fire safety issue, so of course we

597
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Speaker 8: need to make sure that there is OH and s

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Speaker 8: in buildings. But I think that we have to be

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Speaker 8: practical in a solution to protect those businesses.

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Speaker 3: So I understand that that work is underway well.

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Speaker 1: And if we can do it for TiO Stadium, surely

602
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Speaker 1: we can find some kind.

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Speaker 4: Of Surely it's a nonsense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, someone's broken into a premises. Is they've left a

605
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Speaker 5: hole in a window or a door, Go back out,

606
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Speaker 5: go back out that way. One that's not rocket sized.

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Speaker 1: One very quick one from one of our listeners saying,

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Speaker 1: Hi Katie. As sad as the recent incident is for

609
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Speaker 1: all involved, I think your listeners would like to hear

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Speaker 1: how that young man is today. Do we have any

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Speaker 1: idea of an update on his status? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I will try and find out. Tom. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if you've got an update at all her this morning. No.

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Speaker 6: The word yesterday was he was still in a critical condition. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: but he was he was doing better than what he'd

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Speaker 6: been doing.

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Speaker 7: Initially.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a very short break. You

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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four point nine three

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Speaker 1: sixty is the week that was very busy morning in

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Speaker 1: here in the studio with us for the week that

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Speaker 1: was Leofanoccio, Tom Morgan, Kisiopuric and Natasha Files. Now, the

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Speaker 1: issue that has everybody pretty concerned right now is these

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Speaker 1: fuel prices in the territory. They're expected to surge further,

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Speaker 1: with the cost of unleaded ninety one jumping up to

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Speaker 1: two dollars twenty a liter interstate, and we're not far

627
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Speaker 1: behind to give you an update on today's prices unleaded

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Speaker 1: well from two dollars and three up to two dollars

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Speaker 1: and nine, diesel from two dollars three to two dollars eighteen. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is something that we spoke to the Transport Association's

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Speaker 1: Louise Blato about yesterday and she said with the rising

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Speaker 1: cost of fuel and diesel likely to get it is

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Speaker 1: likely to go up to as high as three dollars

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Speaker 1: per liter, is what they're concerned about. That transport companies

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Speaker 1: are making decisions on what's important to transport and also

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Speaker 1: you know what it's going to mean for those different businesses. Tom,

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Speaker 1: I know that you interviewed her as well. I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's a concern right now, and.

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Speaker 6: I think it's it's going to cause a lot of

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Speaker 6: people to tighten their belts at a time when you'd

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Speaker 6: expect people to be starting to spend more after the pandemic.

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Speaker 6: It's going to hit a lot of businesses a lot harder.

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Speaker 6: I think that you know, when we're three dollars a

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Speaker 6: later diesel, it's going to have a huge impact on

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Speaker 6: not just fuel but also groceries and central so they.

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Speaker 4: Have to pass the costs on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a plumbing business and you've got

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Speaker 2: ten vans on the road, I mean that's going to

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Speaker 2: add extraordinary amounts.

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Speaker 4: You know you can't, but you're right.

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Speaker 5: And potentially have a huge impact on our great nomads

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Speaker 5: And at a time we were just have them coming

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Speaker 5: to the territory and predominantly they are diesel, but not exclusively.

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Speaker 7: And Joyce is up.

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Speaker 2: But if it's going to be three dollars a leader

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Speaker 2: in town, what's it going to be a bit down

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Speaker 2: the Stewart Highway.

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Speaker 7: You know, you told me this morning that it was

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Speaker 7: three dollars a leater in some commitment, but also.

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Speaker 5: The power generation. You know a lot of the Aboriginal

661
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Speaker 5: communities run on diesel power, and so do cattle stations

662
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Speaker 5: people out bush so past they will pass the cost on.

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Speaker 5: It's just the cost of doing business will be more,

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Speaker 5: and then that will be passed on to us to consumers.

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Speaker 5: So we and ourselves may then make choices. Will I

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Speaker 5: take a long drive down to I don't know, let's

667
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Speaker 5: say Adelaide River or go down to them lovely Mango

668
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Speaker 5: Cafe down at Marrachai and people might say, oh, I'm

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Speaker 5: not this week because I can't afford to fill up

670
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Speaker 5: the tank because I've got to run those kids around.

671
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Speaker 5: So people will then start to make choices. It's like

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Speaker 5: any cost you, any budget in the household, it's going

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Speaker 5: to pass. But I'm worried about the hospitality of the

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Speaker 5: tourism to the manager.

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Speaker 1: I spoke to the manager yesterday of the Big four

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Speaker 1: Holiday Park in Hidden Valley. Danniella called through and she

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Speaker 1: said that those fuel prices were going to be devastating

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Speaker 1: for that business because very much they rely on the

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Speaker 1: drive market plaza. You know that as a tourism Minister,

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Speaker 1: it's going to have a hit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Of course we're continuing to keep a close eye on

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Speaker 8: those petrol prices and making sure that they're as low

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Speaker 8: as possible. But we've seen, you know, not just here

685
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Speaker 8: in the territory but around Australia and the world those

686
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Speaker 8: significant increases and for us, particularly to pick up on

687
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Speaker 8: Tom's point post pandemic, we'll particularly focused.

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Speaker 3: On that drive market.

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Speaker 8: We know that that's where people want to take their

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Speaker 8: holidays and travel, so we certainly will be making sure

691
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Speaker 8: we can do everything we can, but it's a difficult

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Speaker 8: issue for many territories.

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Speaker 1: To take get through.

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Speaker 5: Katie just just on foot. Because this involves LEA and

695
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Speaker 5: the CLP, we also need to look at the federal

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Speaker 5: government and the fuel excise. Now I think Lea's had

697
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Speaker 5: discussions with the com.

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Speaker 1: And we.

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Speaker 5: I've got to seriously look at that because that will

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Speaker 5: help us.

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Speaker 6: But that's like the rate at which fuel has gone

702
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Speaker 6: up in just the last week. It's the leader, which

703
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Speaker 6: is what the fuel excise is already.

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Speaker 1: Just even when you look at the terminal gate price today,

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Speaker 1: so for Darwin today on Monday this week, it was

706
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Speaker 1: at a dollar eighty two point five today at the

707
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Speaker 1: terminal gate it's two dollars. So that's that's the woy.

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Speaker 1: You even get to the bowser now then you go

709
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Speaker 1: to your diesel price on Monday at dollar eighty three

710
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Speaker 1: today it's two dollars for in point three.

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Speaker 5: Well maybe the astronomical has to be cut by fifty

712
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Speaker 5: percent to help. I don't know, because it's regional. It's

713
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Speaker 5: regional Australia.

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Speaker 1: It's going to point though to me yesterday as well,

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Speaker 1: by the I A N T that that you know,

716
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Speaker 1: even if you cut that fuel excise, that money is

717
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Speaker 1: then reinvested into our roads infrastructures. Right, So what kind

718
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Speaker 1: of impact then is it going to have, particularly post

719
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Speaker 1: flooding and that.

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Speaker 7: Kind of the fuel consumption.

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Speaker 6: What it will help help us do is transition quicker

722
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Speaker 6: to renewables. I think your electric vehicles will suddenly become

723
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Speaker 6: a lot more attractive.

724
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Speaker 1: To a just a bit cheaper.

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Speaker 8: I was going to say, And there's some of the

726
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Speaker 8: sorry to cut you off there, Tom, some of the

727
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Speaker 8: carmakers are really looking at bringing that price down and

728
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Speaker 8: getting some of these.

729
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Speaker 6: Someone also mentioned diesel generators in communities. That's another thing

730
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Speaker 6: that the government do have territory. Government do have some

731
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Speaker 6: power over is maybe using.

732
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Speaker 3: Some and we've also online war.

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Speaker 8: In my younger I think it's got the first Definitely,

734
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Speaker 8: none of these is going to help people today to

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Speaker 8: next week, next month.

736
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Speaker 4: Or at the end of the year.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately related to Ukraine and how can the territory go.

738
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Speaker 1: And look, the point is not lost on me that

739
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Speaker 1: it is related to Russia and the Ukraine. And I

740
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Speaker 1: know that a lot of people. Even yesterday, I'd said,

741
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Speaker 1: you know, Katie, yep, it's terrible that our petrol prices

742
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Speaker 1: are high, but think of what's happening over in the Ukraine.

743
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Speaker 1: And I do one hundred percent agree with that, but

744
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Speaker 1: I relative, it is relative. However, if you're trying to

745
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Speaker 1: pay your bills, it's bloody hard.

746
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Speaker 2: And I think one of the issues is in the

747
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Speaker 2: territory we don't have a sophisticated public transport network, that's right,

748
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Speaker 2: and of course with assaults on our bus network and

749
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Speaker 2: crime and our bus network as high as it is,

750
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Speaker 2: people are.

751
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Speaker 4: Very reluctant sometimes to travel.

752
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Speaker 2: But as the pressure comes on, people will be having

753
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Speaker 2: to look at other alternatives. And so it's really incumbent

754
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Speaker 2: upon government to you know, we might need to be

755
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Speaker 2: putting on extra buses, We might need to be looking

756
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Speaker 2: at extra public health, public safety offices so that we

757
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Speaker 2: can make sure our transport networks are as efficient as

758
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Speaker 2: possible so that people can still get to work. I mean,

759
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Speaker 2: the last thing we want to see is people not

760
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Speaker 2: being able to afford to go to work and get

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Speaker 2: the kids to school.

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Speaker 6: I agree with Lea because I had to take the

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Speaker 6: bus for a few months when I first got to

764
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Speaker 6: dh And a year ago, and the bus is only

765
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Speaker 6: in peak hour run every half an hour. Now in Brisbane,

766
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Speaker 6: where I used to live prior to being in Darwin, Ye,

767
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Speaker 6: they are every five ten minutes. People have to wait

768
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Speaker 6: a lot easier to get to work and to get

769
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Speaker 6: to Nightcliff. To get from Nightcliff to the city take

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Speaker 6: forty minutes by bus, which is far too long.

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Speaker 2: If you live in Humpty Deer, you've got no chance

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Speaker 2: you start.

773
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Speaker 4: You'd be walking camp back in the week.

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Speaker 6: As an argument, the public transport should be expanded, especially

775
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Speaker 6: now when people may be looking for an alternative too.

776
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Speaker 1: And it's very much something that we're hearing on the

777
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Speaker 1: text line even you know, throughout this morning and yesterday morning.

778
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Speaker 1: A lot of people getting in contact saying how much

779
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Speaker 1: extra it's going to cost them every week and the

780
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Speaker 1: impact it's going to have on their family budgets. And

781
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Speaker 1: I know, obviously, if you can take that public transport,

782
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Speaker 1: or if you're in a situation where you can hide,

783
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Speaker 1: you drive or whatever, definitely do it. But you know

784
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Speaker 1: what if you've got three kids and you're trying to

785
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Speaker 1: transport them to school or to support me, all of

786
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: you tying your bikes together and riding, but sometimes there's

787
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Speaker 1: just no time, so it's hard.

788
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Speaker 5: Katie down, it might be. I mean, I know people

789
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Speaker 5: can't pool already, but that just might be one of

790
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Speaker 5: the ways that people will try and help each other.

791
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Speaker 5: And I do see the park and ride a cooler linga.

792
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: Yeah it doesn't also cars there most mornings. But you're right.

793
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's fine to say increase the public transport

794
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Speaker 5: for the urban areas, but the ruler like a rural

795
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Speaker 5: public transport, and.

796
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Speaker 2: Your kids can't, you know, not necessarily catch a bus

797
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: to soccer or you know. I mean, there's just some

798
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: practical limitations to our system.

799
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to take a very short Oh well,

800
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Speaker 1: someone's just texted and said trades can't use public transport

801
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: that run from Gazer and Parmeston. So it is like

802
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Speaker 1: it's one of those things that it's all part of

803
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Speaker 1: that conversation. You know, there does need to be options

804
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Speaker 1: for people. And I know Dion, one of our listeners,

805
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: had called through yesterday and he said, Katie, we've got

806
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: to be doing more to be self sufficient when it

807
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: comes to our you know in Australia, when it comes

808
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: to our petrol, also when it comes to our renewables,

809
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: with everything, we've got to be a bit more self

810
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: sufficient and so that when there is this volatility, we

811
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Speaker 1: don't feel it so much.

812
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Speaker 6: It's not just going to hit people when they fill

813
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 6: up at the petrol bowser.

814
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 7: Who's going to hit people when they go fight everything?

815
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Speaker 2: Everything everything atile, Cosmo, broccoli will costmore meets, you name it.

816
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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a very short break. You

817
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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four point nine three sixty.

818
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was the other big announcement yesterday.

819
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Speaker 1: Now this was a federal announcement made by the Prime

820
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Speaker 1: Minister Scott Morrison in terms of bolstering our defense in

821
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Speaker 1: well right around Australia essentially, so we've got a situation

822
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Speaker 1: now where nearly one thousand more defense workers are going

823
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Speaker 1: to be stationed in the Northern Territory by twenty forty.

824
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Speaker 1: It is under this new plan to expand Australia's military

825
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Speaker 1: capabilities in coming decades. So the Prime Minister and also

826
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Speaker 1: the Defense Minister, Peter Dutton, announced yesterday that it's going

827
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Speaker 1: to be achieved by expanding the ranks of the ADF

828
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Speaker 1: by eighteen five hundred positions, costing about thirty eight billion dollars,

829
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Speaker 1: and he said that the first prime already of the

830
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Speaker 1: government is to keep Australian safe and do what we need,

831
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Speaker 1: or sorry, and do what we need, which is a

832
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: bigger ADF with more soldiers, sailors and airmen and women

833
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: to operate the cutting edge capabilities that we're getting to

834
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Speaker 1: protect Australia. Now. The interesting part of this announcement, I

835
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: think is that we talk so much about the Northern

836
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: Territory's strategic importance, how important we are in so many ways.

837
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Speaker 1: But I think we've all heard over the last few

838
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Speaker 1: weeks as well, particularly when you reflect on the bombing

839
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Speaker 1: of Darwin, about how vulnerable we are in the Northern

840
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Speaker 1: Territory as well. But then to think that some locations,

841
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: some states are getting you know, more ct more than us,

842
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: like the ACT getting more than us, I think it's

843
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: a bit ridiculous, isn't.

844
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Speaker 2: I think this is a but I mean, put it

845
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Speaker 2: into context. This is an enormous win for US. I literally,

846
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Speaker 2: I mean every time I speak to my federal colleagues

847
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: in Canberra, I asked for more troops on the ground

848
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: in Darwin. I met with Peter Dutton last week and

849
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: I said, Peter, I only have one message, send more

850
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: troops to Darwin.

851
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Speaker 4: You know, we need them for so many any reasons.

852
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: So to have a thousand boots on the ground, that's

853
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: a thousand houses. A lot of them will have partners

854
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: or spouses. That's someone else in our workforce campaign.

855
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

856
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 4: I believe in them so passionately.

857
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: It is something I have fought for for so long.

858
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: That's more kids in our schools, that's more people playing sport,

859
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: that's more people buying from the shops.

860
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Speaker 4: The flowing impact.

861
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Speaker 1: Is I can't wrap my head around why the ACT,

862
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: for example, is getting more than US or South Australia

863
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: when you talk about you know, just to put this

864
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Speaker 1: in context, as well. We interview I interviewed Brian Winsby,

865
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Speaker 1: the one hundred year old, you know, the veteran who

866
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: obviously was here for the bombing of Darwin, and he said,

867
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Speaker 1: at the time that Darwin was bombed, there was egg

868
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Speaker 1: on the faces of our politicians because we were not

869
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Speaker 1: prepared for it. And look, I'm not trying to fear

870
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: amonger or anything like that, but we're seeing the uncertainty.

871
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: That's right, We're seeing uncertainty right around the world at

872
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: the moment. If we think that China is not going

873
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: to try and flex their muscles in some way, I

874
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Speaker 1: think that we've got another thing.

875
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Speaker 2: Don't think the fact but defense has changed a lot,

876
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Speaker 2: so it's not you know, necessarily you've got to think

877
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: there will be these crazy missiles they have now that

878
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: you know they could be sitting in Canberra and targeting

879
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: ships in our harbor or whatever it might be. You know,

880
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Speaker 2: the sophistication of the technology is also there. I would

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Speaker 2: love to see plenty more troops come, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 2: but I think comparing us to other jurisdictions where there's

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Speaker 2: millions more people is probably a bit cheeky. I think

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Speaker 2: we should be extremely hasty within the thousand, and that's

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Speaker 2: going to have a huge impact for our economy and society.

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Speaker 6: Two seven hundred employees based out of Canberra will all

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Speaker 6: be trips so or do you think some of them

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Speaker 6: will be?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if they if they're frontline, if they're

891
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Speaker 2: back of house, if they support, if they're civilians. If

892
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Speaker 2: that's a thousand more people coming to Darwin who are

893
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Speaker 2: connected to defense, that's probably three or four thousand people

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Speaker 2: in our community.

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Speaker 4: That is genuine population growth.

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Speaker 2: It's great for our society, for our community and for

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Speaker 2: our economy.

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Speaker 7: Looks us Rich twenty thirty.

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Speaker 8: Do I think it's an important point And it was

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Speaker 8: Kim Beasley way back in the eighties that looked at

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Speaker 8: the strategic investment in the North and you have seen

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Speaker 8: that degraded by previous governments and it's really important that

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Speaker 8: we do have that infrastructure and those troops based here

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Speaker 8: in Northern Australia, not just you know, because we of

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Speaker 8: course want them here, but it is very strategic when

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Speaker 8: you look at as we were just talking about China and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, see it's one thing. I mean, if they're investing

908
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Speaker 5: in the North, grade we all support that, But if

909
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Speaker 5: it's I think it should be more than just personnel.

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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, does the need to be a new

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Speaker 5: infrastructure developed, not necessarily Robertson UMI barriers or timber Creek

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Speaker 5: what is it called Bradshaw stations? Should there be more,

913
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Speaker 5: should be expanding Bradshaw expanding Delamere or should they investing

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Speaker 5: in a new facility somewhere which takes years because you've

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Speaker 5: got acquire land, et cetera, etcetera, go through Senate estimates committees.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, I think it's if they're investing in

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Speaker 5: the North, that's good because we are exposed. It's one

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Speaker 5: hour they need to invest in ours flight. Yeah, Like, honestly,

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Speaker 5: I think we hear. I totally take on board what

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Speaker 5: everyone's saying.

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Speaker 1: But I think when we talk about the strategic importance

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory, I don't know how many times

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Speaker 1: you guys have heard that. I know I've heard it

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Speaker 1: an awful lot of times. And then you think about

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Speaker 1: where we are, you think about exactly where we're based.

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Speaker 3: I think we are so incredibly.

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Speaker 1: Important to see.

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Speaker 2: But that's why there's eight billion dollars to be spent

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Speaker 2: in the territory over the next probably eight years, I

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Speaker 2: think it is. Now. You know, we've seen huge upgrades

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Speaker 2: in laric here Tindall is going berserk, So eight billion

932
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Speaker 2: dollars is nothing to sneeze out.

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Speaker 4: And the work is trickling down.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you talk to the local guys, they're

935
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Speaker 2: all seeing that defense work trickling. If they're not getting

936
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Speaker 2: defense work, they're picking up the work from the people

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Speaker 2: who have diverted to defense.

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Speaker 4: So it's having a profound impact.

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Speaker 2: And then at a thousand, you know, bums on seats

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Speaker 2: basically and we're laughing.

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe, I mean, the conwealth still owns the Cooondi land.

942
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Speaker 5: We know that antigunment doesn't know it. It hasn't started

943
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Speaker 5: proper negotiations yet, so maybe the Commonal Department of Finance

944
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Speaker 5: needs to relook at that. And perhaps they need to

945
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Speaker 5: hang on to Koundi Land because it's a big chunk

946
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Speaker 5: of land. And the other thing is maybe there's infrastructure

947
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Speaker 5: potential out of the massive telecommunications based out on the

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Speaker 5: Atom Highway that's com off land on the left just

949
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Speaker 5: before the Adelaide River. So there's huge scope in the

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Speaker 5: top end for future development of military facilities.

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Speaker 6: And part of this announcement is to cater for the

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Speaker 6: new ORCHUS agreement that we have with the United States

953
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Speaker 6: and the United Kingdom, which we'll see the ADF get

954
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Speaker 6: nuclear submarines. I wonder if we'll be a potential docking point.

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Speaker 1: Well, sharplift twins our shiplift. Do we need the shiplift

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Speaker 1: to be able to do that?

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Speaker 5: I don't submarines, Yeah, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: So you don't need we'll submarine facilities you need there's

959
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Speaker 1: a submarine of shiplift as well.

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Speaker 5: Is a submarine? Is a submarine a ship?

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Speaker 1: I'm certainly not an expert in this space, as you

962
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Speaker 1: can tell. A ship lifts going to be built.

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Speaker 3: Ah that on Chestnut has just given me the micbag.

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Speaker 2: Lives and saving jobs to build a ship left k

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Speaker 2: come now that would.

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Speaker 3: Be discussed that next week. All right, we better wrap up.

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Speaker 1: Leafancio, the opposition leader, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thanks everyone, have a lovely weekend.

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Speaker 1: Tom Morgan, the anti news political reporter, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Keezier Puic the.

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Speaker 5: Independent paper for going to thank you, Katie. And there's

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Speaker 5: hardly any scratches on the yesh you give the swords back.

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Speaker 1: Natasha PHILESI Health Finness to thank you for your time

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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 3: Back to the Mighty Nightcliff Tigers.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Tar supporter now sorry you've changed, Stop change.

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