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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning.

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Speaker 2: You'll know our next guest best from playing bad boy

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Speaker 2: Bracks on Home and Away. Well, it's gone from running

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Speaker 2: from the cops to playing one in informa three eight

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Speaker 2: three eight, based on the sensational story of defense lawyer

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Speaker 2: turned informer Nicola Gobbo. There's some famous characters in this,

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Speaker 2: Carl Williams, Tony Mockbell, so to tell us more, Steve Peacock, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Amanda James, good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: My Amanda and I were just talking about the show

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Speaker 1: being called thirty eight thirty eight. But that's a lot

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Speaker 1: better than having a show just called Gobbo.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even think of that, but yeah, someone made

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Speaker 3: a good call there, I think. So.

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Speaker 2: Now, for those who don't know the story of Niccola Gobbo,

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Speaker 2: it is a big Melbourne story. But tell us about Nicola.

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Speaker 3: Wow, she was a lawyer who just represented a lot

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Speaker 3: of the infamously she was very good at what she did.

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Speaker 3: But yes, she ended up sort of playing both sides

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Speaker 3: of the of the law. I think she was representing

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Speaker 3: people and then and then sort of talking to the cops.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's that's what the that's what the story

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Speaker 3: is about, so it's pretty extraordinary and she's Ella plays

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Speaker 3: her extraordinarily well, and yeah, it's a very complicated character

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Speaker 3: and the audience is going to sort of be in

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Speaker 3: for a pretty good right. I think it's pretty pretty

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Speaker 3: crazy stuff because.

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Speaker 2: If you're a lawyer and you're then informing on your clients,

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Speaker 2: it can never end well. Because then this led to

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Speaker 2: a royal commission. So everyone found out, didn't they that

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Speaker 2: she was the informant?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it all came out, and I think that

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Speaker 3: was you know, if you read that, if you read

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Speaker 3: interviews and you read books about it, that was always

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Speaker 3: the fear. And yeah it happened. So you know, I

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Speaker 3: remember reading the scripts when when I was thought I

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Speaker 3: was going to be a part of it and just

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Speaker 3: thinking he did this actually happen And you'd think, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's been made up for a TV show, but it's

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Speaker 3: it's all there, it's all on the public record, and

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Speaker 3: it's just extraordinary what happened here.

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Speaker 1: And you play a copper, You play Paul Dale, who

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Speaker 1: was Paul Dale in all of this, and.

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Speaker 3: He was a detective in Melbourne, and yeah, he's pretty successful.

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Speaker 3: He's in the early parts of his career, I guess,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I can't go too much into it,

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Speaker 3: but he knew Nicola, and yeah, he sort of became

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Speaker 3: a big part of the story himself. But yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: written a book. I did a lot of research on

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Speaker 3: Paul and he wrote a book about He had a

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Speaker 3: lot of accusations made against him, which you know, he

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Speaker 3: was found innocent. He wrote a book about everything that

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Speaker 3: happened to him. So he's another complicated, interesting character as well.

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Speaker 3: So he Yeah, he's pretty pretty much in the thick

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Speaker 3: of the story as well.

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Speaker 1: Because you do Copper very well. You play a good cop.

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Speaker 3: Oh you reckon? Yeah, thank you? Yeah, well, I try

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Speaker 3: my best. It's different when you're playing a real bloke

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Speaker 3: because you know you've got the added anxiety of of

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Speaker 3: getting all that right. But all you can do is,

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Speaker 3: you know, read what out there and listen to interviews

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Speaker 3: and do research and then try and capture that personality

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Speaker 3: as best as you can.

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Speaker 1: But better to play a good guy, Steve than a

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Speaker 1: bad guy, because if the bad guy is still alive,

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Speaker 1: he's going to hunt you down.

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Speaker 3: That's right. I think anyone who's ever done an Underbelly

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Speaker 3: series has had that in the back of their mind.

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Speaker 3: But now I know, I felt pretty confident with everything

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Speaker 3: I'd read, and you know, you know, ultimately you've got to,

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Speaker 3: like the audience watching the show, you sort of look

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Speaker 3: at what's happened to make up your own mind. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: there was Like I said, there's plenty of stuff on

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Speaker 3: the public records to research and to think about. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was happy with it. I can't wait to watch it.

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Speaker 2: But you're you're quite right in that many of these

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Speaker 2: Underground Underworld's characters are going to be happy with seeing

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Speaker 2: that story depicted on the telly. You do have to

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Speaker 2: think about that when you take on a role, don't you.

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Speaker 1: I guess so.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we got a lot of the nature

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Speaker 3: of this kind of story means that you always have lawyers,

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Speaker 3: president who are you making sure everything's everything's on board?

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Speaker 3: And you know you can say this, you can't say that,

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Speaker 3: which you know, that's all obvious stuff that people would

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Speaker 3: imagine a production about this, and it's you know, everything

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Speaker 3: in our show is stuff that's that's happened, that's that's

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Speaker 3: on the public record. You can find it. Some days

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Speaker 3: you would you'd read the script and be coming and

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Speaker 3: you'd say this is this is crazy, and they say, look,

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Speaker 3: this is here's a transcript, this is vebat and what

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Speaker 3: was said, and you're saying it again. So it's just,

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Speaker 3: you know, real, real life is pretty strange sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Well, you watch Tiger King and you'll sit there and

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Speaker 1: no one could write that. That's that's what meant.

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Speaker 3: I've watched it. It's insane, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you couldn't even make that into a movie or anything.

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Speaker 1: Was why would you bother? It's it's just.

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Speaker 2: It's so out there, it's so surreal already. Well, this

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Speaker 2: sounds very juicy, Steve, and I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 2: this informer. Do you say thirty eight thirty eight or

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Speaker 2: three eight three eight?

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Speaker 3: I've been saying three eight three eight, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Thirty eight is better, or or just call it gobbo.

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Speaker 3: You should be you should be working for for general nights.

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Speaker 2: I should be working with all night is Man eight

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Speaker 2: forty five tonight Gobbo on nine. I don't know it's catchy,

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Speaker 2: but really.

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Speaker 3: Tonight, that's on another channel, Stephen.

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Speaker 1: It's always a trait to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, back at you join you. Thanks Amana, Thanks thanks

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Speaker 3: for having me in the show

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Speaker 2: Thanks to would appreciate joins The and Amanda in the morning,

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Speaker 2: but at one point seven tell you