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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio this morning, East Arnham

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Speaker 1: Regional Councilor Cyril Bucker Lunchbeak. Good morning to you, Cyril.

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Speaker 1: I think I mispronounced that's and I might lovely to

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me here, Katie. The reason why they

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Speaker 1: We do.

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Speaker 2: Make things right in our community and the money that

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Speaker 2: we have, we spend it all in the community. We

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Speaker 1: They're delivering it all.

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Speaker 2: Were delivered to the services and all the all the

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Speaker 2: providers who may be able to collaborate with us, and

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Speaker 2: we we are. We've always been happy to share all

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Speaker 1: Yep. Well, Cyril, it's good to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you both joining us in the studio.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Cyril, from your perspective, like when you know

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Speaker 2: It was really irritating to hear what people said about

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Speaker 1: So your council, like the people that are on council

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean Dale, as the CEO, what like,

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Speaker 3: Look, it's it's really really frustrating. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: Finally, like I would imagine Cyril that what you want

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Speaker 2: Yes, I definitely want to have this kind of work.

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Speaker 1: You want to you want that work, you want to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they want a proper job because we don't want

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Speaker 1: And you want your own you want your own money,

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Speaker 3: Katie. I think that's a great question and what we

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Speaker 1: Well. But also you can have opportunities for people out

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Speaker 3: because the Minister and Malandary couldn't do it together. Sorry

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Speaker 3: and Marion last week. But we've got to all the

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Speaker 3: three councilors, Victorily Repert Golf and ourselves. They're flying out

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Speaker 3: the rest of today and our other delegation coming in

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Speaker 3: with Cyril joined Cyril. But that's the meeting we're seeking

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Speaker 3: and we understand. Yeah, we just want that to happen,

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Speaker 3: even if you eat Nissa dialing. I think she might

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Speaker 3: be in Canberra or somewhere, but you know, on teams

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Speaker 3: we can do that. We can do that, and Marion,

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Speaker 3: we understands in town, which is great, and to meet

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Speaker 3: together and to be able to hear each other on this.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to be in trenches on this, that's all.

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Speaker 3: We want to work together and just see a way

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Speaker 3: forward on this because it's so historically important after all

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Speaker 3: these years. And finally, seriously, it's about twelve odd years

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Speaker 3: great opportunity and we really just want to work together

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Speaker 3: on how to make that happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I really appreciate you both coming into Darwin

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Speaker 1: and having a chat with me this morning. East Darnham

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Speaker 1: Regional Counselor Cyril Bucker Lutchbe and of course Dale Keene

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Speaker 1: the CEO. Thank you both so very much for joining

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Speaker 1: me this morning. I really appreciate your time. Yeah, you too,

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Speaker 1: Thank you,