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Speaker 1: This episode of the podcast, I'm joined by actress Claire Lovering,
Speaker 1: who was one of the leads in ABC Australia's newest
Speaker 1: comedy series, Gold Diggers. You may have seen her work
Speaker 1: recently in Class of zero seven, while Mania or north
Speaker 1: Shore and Coming Up. Claire will also feature in the
Speaker 1: PM's Daughter, also to be seen on the ABC. However,
Speaker 1: we're here to talk about gold Diggers, which starts tonight Wednesday,
Speaker 1: the fifth of July on ABC and abc I View.
Speaker 1: Set in eighteen fifty three, this outrageously funny series follows
Speaker 1: these wildly optimistic Brewer sisters who ambitiously set out to
Speaker 1: get lucky, but first they must conquer the lads Laice
Speaker 1: Lechery of the Australian gold Rush. Gold Diggers is a
Speaker 1: fast paced Australian comedy series. It's rude, silly, packed full
Speaker 1: of joy, and is politically savage. Claire plays one of
Speaker 1: the two Brewer sisters and I genuinely laughed out loud
Speaker 1: watching this, so I hope you check it out. I
Speaker 1: will ask Claire how this role came about and which
Speaker 1: comedy shows had inspired her. Claire will talk about why
Speaker 1: she nearly quit acting during the pandemic and why throwing
Speaker 1: out the blonde haird eye was a bit of a
Speaker 1: turning point in her career. We will hear about Claire's
Speaker 1: time on set, from intimacy coach sex scenes to crying
Speaker 1: competitions between takes. Plus, we will get plenty of exclusives
Speaker 1: from behind the scenes of gold Diggers, which by the
Speaker 1: time you're probably listening to this episode, TV Reload will
Speaker 1: be available on ABC iView. Anyway, guys, let's bring Claire
Speaker 1: into the podcast, and I hope you really enjoy this fun,
Speaker 1: very informative episode of TV Reload. Hi, Claire, how are good?
Speaker 1: Thank you well, thank you for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm excited to talk about this show, but
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about you because right now you're
Speaker 1: like hot property in television.
Speaker 2: It looks like that, I guess because I'm on a
Speaker 2: lot of things I did last in the last eighteen
Speaker 2: months are all coming out at once, so it looks
Speaker 2: like I'm everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny though, you know that often happens
Speaker 1: in the industry, and that is that while you're working,
Speaker 1: people don't know you're working, and so they think you're unemployed.
Speaker 1: And then when all your shows come out on TV,
Speaker 1: they think you're really busy, but in actual fact, then
Speaker 1: you're unemployed again.
Speaker 3: You're doing nothing. I'm doing nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, wow, you're everywhere, You're and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I was busy last year.
Speaker 1: This happened a while ago. Yes, yeah, now I need something.
Speaker 1: I just think you can make a really really good
Speaker 1: show real out of all the work you've been doing.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because I was trying to I was trying
Speaker 2: to put together a show real, I guess, like six
Speaker 2: months ago to get a manager in America, and all
Speaker 2: my screen credits were kind of from the last like
Speaker 2: eight years ago, I guess, and so they were all
Speaker 2: really dated, and all my material, like I looked completely different,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't have anything. I was like,
Speaker 2: I've got all this stuff in the can, it just
Speaker 2: hasn't come out yet. So I will be able to
Speaker 2: put something together soon, hopefully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you really do well. We're here to
Speaker 1: talk about gold Diggers, which is a really fresh, screwball
Speaker 1: comedy for the ABC. There's something kind of Monty Python
Speaker 1: about the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, cool. What is it about it that makes
Speaker 3: it Monty Python for you?
Speaker 1: I don't know, did you grow up watching that sort
Speaker 1: of comedy. I grew up in a household where we
Speaker 1: watched a lot of English comedy. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: interesting because a lot of that Monty Python, like the
Speaker 1: Life of Brian, was all set in a different time
Speaker 1: whilst telling humor that was really relevant to today, which
Speaker 1: works really well together. So that's kind of how I've
Speaker 1: arrived with Monty Python. John Cleese could walk in and
Speaker 1: work Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was talking to Jack about Jack Out
Speaker 2: writer creator about it, and he was saying that, like
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't know how to describe
Speaker 2: to people that it's set in the past, but it's
Speaker 2: got contemporary language, really fresh comedy, very contemporary references, and
Speaker 2: he was like, well, it's been done before, Like Shakespeare
Speaker 2: was doing it with his history plays. He was writing
Speaker 2: them with you know, the language, the modern language of
Speaker 2: that time, and he referenced Monty Python and he was
Speaker 2: saying that he uses that he used the contemporary language
Speaker 2: as a way to remove as many blocks as possible,
Speaker 2: to make it possible for the audience to connect with
Speaker 2: the characters more easily. So it wasn't more about building
Speaker 2: up layers, it was more about stripping things away. So
Speaker 2: I think in that respect, yeah, hopefully it makes it
Speaker 2: more accessible to audiences.
Speaker 1: And you're so funny in this, like really like laugh
Speaker 1: out loud funny. You just have this face the whole
Speaker 1: way through, no matter what your character is doing. And
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know about your history with comedy.
Speaker 1: What sort of comedy shows were you watching when you
Speaker 1: were growing up? Well, what are you borrowing from? I
Speaker 1: guess in your work now?
Speaker 2: I definitely my mummy's English, so I grew up watching
Speaker 2: a lot of English TV. I loved things like like
Speaker 2: The British Office is my favorite show. I loved shows
Speaker 2: like Green Wing really kind of obscure but bold kind
Speaker 2: of character comedy character. And because I've worked predominantly in theater,
Speaker 2: I always come at my work from a place of character,
Speaker 2: and like, even though it's comedy, like if you're playing
Speaker 2: the truth, but I'm always keen to kind of build
Speaker 2: the character up and do like because you went to
Speaker 2: drama school, Like I'll do animal work. I'll figure out
Speaker 2: what animal they are, and like labarn and I'll do
Speaker 2: personality quizzes online to figure out if they're an E,
Speaker 2: NFJ or you know, like I try and make the
Speaker 2: character as full a person as possible so that I
Speaker 2: can kind of put them in in those scenarios and
Speaker 2: know how they would react. Yeah, I guess I come
Speaker 2: at it from a place of character. I think because
Speaker 2: I come from theater, I do pull big faces and
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to kind of be big and I
Speaker 2: guess unflattering. I haven't seen it yet, so I'm assuming
Speaker 2: I'm a lot of like pulling faces.
Speaker 1: Now. Those faces work because in theater you're kind of
Speaker 1: having to play to the front row but to the
Speaker 1: back row, and then you kind of try and dull
Speaker 1: that down a little bit when you're doing television. But somehow,
Speaker 1: with this particular character, those sort of big caricature of
Speaker 1: faces a bit Kristen Wig or even a bit Jim
Speaker 1: and carry to a certain element. You know, they're all
Speaker 1: landing really well, and it makes you laugh.
Speaker 3: That was a thing when we were filming.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you don't have lines in the scene,
Speaker 2: but you're sort of in it, and so if you
Speaker 2: don't have a line, to kind of make a joke,
Speaker 2: but you're always mining for comedy. I would just pull
Speaker 2: these weird faces to react, and I sort of would
Speaker 2: joke to Danny, who played my sister Goldie. I would say, like,
Speaker 2: I just feel like all I'm doing is like pulling
Speaker 2: really big reaction faces.
Speaker 3: And then I went and did some adr and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh God, they're in there.
Speaker 2: They've really cut to them quite a bit so, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't expect them to be, but yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: it's Skert's way of processing what's happening around her.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because you saying that has reminded me.
Speaker 1: Like even Eddie Perfect and a few other characters, I
Speaker 1: noticed when they had their characters without dialogue, they were
Speaker 1: also being extremely expressive as well. And I noticed that
Speaker 1: more with Eddie Perfect because I remembered him so much
Speaker 1: from Offspring and he had a character that wasn't so expressive.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so noticeable in this and Eddie Perfect is
Speaker 1: actually perfect for this role. He's very funny, so perfect.
Speaker 3: I mean the number of times I would say perfect Eddie,
Speaker 3: how often do you get that? And he's like every day?
Speaker 3: He was so dry.
Speaker 2: He was sort of like the you know, the uncle
Speaker 2: figure for us, Like we were always trying to kind
Speaker 2: of get him to laugh, get him to love us,
Speaker 2: and that kind of relationship was kind of mirrored in
Speaker 2: real life.
Speaker 3: We were always kind of we're obsessed with him. He's
Speaker 3: so beautiful. But he was perfect.
Speaker 1: See it again, it's probably why they you know, they
Speaker 1: named in that way. He came out and he looked perfect,
Speaker 1: but you know, Gert Brewer, who was your character. She
Speaker 1: kind of plays this one part of the scrappy sister
Speaker 1: duo that sort of rereaks havoc on the gold mine
Speaker 1: and it's very funny. But how have you tried to
Speaker 1: describe this personally to your friends and family? I know
Speaker 1: you talked a little bit before about how you should
Speaker 1: talk about it, but like, how do you explain this
Speaker 1: show to get people to watch it?
Speaker 3: I guess what I say to people.
Speaker 2: I say it's I say it's about two rat bag
Speaker 2: sisters who go to the gold fields to try and
Speaker 2: get a rich husband. But now I kind of joke
Speaker 2: and go and hr larity ensues. But I think, like
Speaker 2: for me, I've described her as a bit of a
Speaker 2: superhero in that she can get away with anything. She's
Speaker 2: one of those people that has no She's completely unseelf conscious,
Speaker 2: no self judgment, no insecurities. Anything that knocks her down,
Speaker 2: she just does. She just gets up and keeps on moving.
Speaker 2: She was a bit inspired by a friend of mine
Speaker 2: who has just got this incredible enthusiasm for life.
Speaker 3: He's he's actually an actor and he.
Speaker 1: Can we mention him like I feel like we should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, his name's Kick Gury.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know him. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: He's in looking for Labrady and he he's a really
Speaker 2: good friend. He lives in our apartment building and he
Speaker 2: all through COVID was writing this show which is now
Speaker 2: being made with it's called Court.
Speaker 3: It's coming out. I'm actually in it, but it comes
Speaker 3: out in late this year. It's got Sean.
Speaker 2: Penn, Susan Sarandon, it's got all these maz people. And
Speaker 2: through COVID for two years he was going, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make the sure it's gonna be the best show where
Speaker 2: it's gonna have these people in it. And he get,
Speaker 2: you know, making a show so hard. He got knocked
Speaker 2: back and knocked back, and every time he got a no,
Speaker 2: it just made him more determined to kind of keep going.
Speaker 3: He just never gave up.
Speaker 2: And that kind of relentless optimism and enthusiasm was a
Speaker 2: big part of the character of Gert because that kind
Speaker 2: of optimism in the face of adversity and never giving
Speaker 2: up is what makes characters so funny.
Speaker 3: That was what sort of Jack inspired Jack.
Speaker 2: That kind of comedy, like Leslie nopod Or, I think
Speaker 2: he mentioned David Brent, like characters that just never give up,
Speaker 2: and so she's that.
Speaker 3: To me, she was and it's so fun to.
Speaker 2: Play a character like that where you were just you
Speaker 2: can stand in this and you completely bulletproof, nothing gets
Speaker 2: to you. And she's funny and she's she's brush and
Speaker 2: she's bold and she's outrageous and she's not afraid to
Speaker 2: tell people what she thinks of them and physically big
Speaker 2: as well. Like it was great to kind of just
Speaker 2: be able to go crazy in that way.
Speaker 1: She's a little obnoxious, but she's incredibly likable.
Speaker 3: It's so likable. That's good. She's likable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tells people what she's thinking though, you know, which
Speaker 1: I love in real world. You know, I love people
Speaker 1: who you know, kind of when someone walks into the
Speaker 1: room dressed as a frog, they go, you're a frog?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I love yeah, totally. Yeah, that kind of enthusiasts like yea,
Speaker 3: hey man, you've awesome.
Speaker 1: That's the person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like say anything like that's something terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm quite an introvert, and so when I do these
Speaker 2: like personality quizzes, it's it's really to make me able
Speaker 2: to realize the differences between me and a character, and
Speaker 2: Gert was the exact opposite to.
Speaker 3: Me in every personality trait.
Speaker 2: She's an extrovert, she's assertive, she's an and so like
Speaker 2: for me, like, I'll walk down the street and kind
Speaker 2: of keep my head down where it's And I noticed
Speaker 2: with Kick, he'll walk down the street in Bondy and.
Speaker 3: He'll be like, hey, Alan, how are you going?
Speaker 2: You're like he'll know everyone in every shop and be
Speaker 2: on a first name basis, have like know their whole
Speaker 2: life history. And I feel like Gert's like that. She's
Speaker 2: kind of leans into life and with people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like it would be wrong of
Speaker 1: me not to mention my kickstory. But I was living
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles in two thousand and seven. Yes that's right, people,
Speaker 1: I'm old, and I was watching him on a date
Speaker 1: with Christina Richie. Oh yeah yeah, yeah they did. And
Speaker 1: so I was watching this happen and she's exactly the
Speaker 1: same age as May. I grew up watching her from
Speaker 1: Casper to everything. And I was there to meet a
Speaker 1: friend and I don't know if we even spoke basically,
Speaker 1: because we just spent the whole time live like goggle boxing.
Speaker 1: You know, this date that was going on and yeah,
Speaker 1: they went. They started dating after that, and she even
Speaker 1: came to Melbourne. It was very strange, but I think
Speaker 1: he would be slightly freaked out by the fund that
Speaker 1: I was there. Love that date one Fairfax Avenue in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: You know it was date one.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was because we could hear part
Speaker 1: of the conversation. Actually we could hear everything.
Speaker 3: So he will love that so much.
Speaker 1: Very funny story. So we're going to get back into
Speaker 1: this TV series now.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, he will love that. I'm going to tell him.
Speaker 1: You know, the concept I think is you know, a
Speaker 1: little bonkers at times as we were talking, but it's
Speaker 1: also really clever in the sense that it's making you laugh,
Speaker 1: but it's also making you think, because the patriarchy gets
Speaker 1: challenged without it being too political, and I think it's
Speaker 1: a very net It's something we need to talk about,
Speaker 1: and somehow you've interwoven that into this story, which is
Speaker 1: a comedy in a way that I think is very
Speaker 1: accessible to the audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jack was saying that that by keeping it
Speaker 2: at a little bit of arm's length with the period setting,
Speaker 2: he's able to talk about issues of today, like the patriarchy,
Speaker 2: like toxic masculinity, like the housing crisis, but it's not
Speaker 2: on the nose because we feel a little bit more
Speaker 2: removed from it. So that was really deliberate that we're
Speaker 2: able to kind of comment on things without it feeling
Speaker 2: really obvious. I think that does make it more accessible,
Speaker 2: and it's just I guess, a fresh perspective on it.
Speaker 2: Like when you know you're looking at girls that can't
Speaker 2: not allowed to drink in the pub, or they can't
Speaker 2: find a place to live or can't get a job.
Speaker 2: It's sort of you're able to kind of absorb it,
Speaker 2: I guess, without feeling too close to it, So it
Speaker 2: gives you a bit of perspective.
Speaker 1: I think. Also the thing that I enjoy is that
Speaker 1: it's going to get a broad audience and there's people
Speaker 1: out there that probably need to understand about some of
Speaker 1: the challenges with the patriarchy and how it needs to change,
Speaker 1: and that they're not being beaten over the head with it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's being packaged in
Speaker 1: a way that people will go, oh, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at that differently because I'm not being told I'm stupid.
Speaker 1: I'm accessing this in a really light and intelligent way.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've definitely had a laugh about Like some
Speaker 2: of the comments on the trailer on their Facebook is like, oh,
Speaker 2: another thing about women thinking it's funny to you know,
Speaker 2: reach man is stupid.
Speaker 3: I'm won't be watching this.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well that that's of course, this isn't
Speaker 2: for you. But you're kind of the people that would
Speaker 2: love to see it, and.
Speaker 1: They'll watch it. I think, you know, being that it
Speaker 1: has a home on the ABC, I think there's an
Speaker 1: older generation that's going to watch this and look at
Speaker 1: it differently, which is cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cool. Anyway, I need to ask you about how this
Speaker 1: project came about, Like was it something that came to
Speaker 1: your agent or your audition for it, or did you
Speaker 1: know someone that was working on it. How did this
Speaker 1: all come about for you?
Speaker 2: It came just through like a regular email through the agent,
Speaker 2: But there was something in the email that really caught
Speaker 2: my attention, which was they said they were looking for fearless,
Speaker 2: funny actors who could bring their own personal charm and
Speaker 2: chemistry to the role.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, all right, you want me
Speaker 3: to feel it's funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, because that usually means like bring everything, throw everything
Speaker 2: at it. And I started to find in my career
Speaker 2: that if I get an audition and I make it
Speaker 2: my own and I kind of tweak the script or
Speaker 2: add lib or improvise have fun with it, that tends
Speaker 2: to be when I get further along the casting process
Speaker 2: or get a call back or get the job.
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, it sounds like you
Speaker 3: want me to really go for it.
Speaker 2: So I auditioned and I immediately was like, you're on
Speaker 2: a short list, come, you know, just hang in there.
Speaker 2: And then there was a callback over zoom and then
Speaker 2: it just went quiet, and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: talk like they saw seven hundred actresses for me and
Speaker 2: Danny's roles, so like they even did a whole casting
Speaker 2: of England and Ireland at one point, so everyone everyone's
Speaker 2: talking about it.
Speaker 3: I got it.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this was like fun, But I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm I'm right for this. I just don't
Speaker 2: think I'm not like as I've said, like I'm a
Speaker 2: bit of an introvert. I'm a bit more gentle, like
Speaker 2: I'm not like day everybody. So I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm really right anyway. So I didn't
Speaker 2: hear after the callback, and then I heard that they
Speaker 2: were doing other callbacks and lots of people were in
Speaker 2: the mix. And then I got told I didn't get
Speaker 2: it with months and I was like, okay, that's all right,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll let that go. And then at which
Speaker 2: point Danny had been pretty much cast. And then I
Speaker 2: didn't hear for like two months and then a week
Speaker 2: before Christmas, So this is what started in August. It
Speaker 2: was like a five month process. Maybe I've done my
Speaker 2: massive but anyway, then the week before Christmas, they were like,
Speaker 2: come back in for a chemistry read. So I went
Speaker 2: back in and Danny had been cast, so they were
Speaker 2: just trying different girts opposite her. And at that point,
Speaker 2: because I've been told I didn't get it, I'd sort
Speaker 2: of let it go. So I kind of was able
Speaker 2: to go back in with this freedom of like, well
Speaker 2: I've already lost it, so I've got nothing to lose
Speaker 2: and everything to gain. And also you didn't want me,
Speaker 2: so look what you look what you missed down.
Speaker 3: I was a bit of a kind of up yours.
Speaker 2: I think I went in with a bit of that
Speaker 2: kind of girt. I guess meantal and when I did.
Speaker 2: I think they really responded to that. Apparently they could.
Speaker 2: They really loved the love between us. They could really
Speaker 2: tell that that was there, So that was it was.
Speaker 2: It was a long drawn out process, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: too painful. I wasn't strung along because I was let
Speaker 2: go for a bit.
Speaker 1: So that's always the worst. When I mean all of
Speaker 1: these things. People always think things happen in a straight line.
Speaker 1: In the entertainment world. It never does, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like so much that happens before the camera's
Speaker 1: even roll. What I thought was interesting was that this
Speaker 1: show's success really does rely on this chemistry between you
Speaker 1: and Daniel Walker, which does work, you know, And I
Speaker 1: guess that's what they're looking for when they're auditioning that
Speaker 1: both of you. But did you both try and work
Speaker 1: out ways in how you would create that sisterhood, because
Speaker 1: I mean, you both don't look the same, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, what are you doing to create that
Speaker 1: magic behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Well, when we first, like, we did the read through
Speaker 2: and we did the chemistry read and I had this
Speaker 2: immediate affection towards her because she's so sweet and seems innocent,
Speaker 2: like she's hilarious and amazing and fear intelligent and all that,
Speaker 2: but she presents as kind of just like oh hello,
Speaker 2: Like so I immediately had like felt this affection towards her.
Speaker 2: And I remember my agent saying, would you cast you
Speaker 2: guys as sisters after the chemistry read? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would, I would, like I think we had a
Speaker 2: warmth there. And then I remember we had a lunch
Speaker 2: with like the producers and that was the first time
Speaker 2: we'd kind of hung out.
Speaker 3: But I remember feeling really awkward.
Speaker 2: I remember feeling like a lot of pressure, like even
Speaker 2: the director was there, and she was like, it's really
Speaker 2: important you guys get along, like whatever you need to do,
Speaker 2: like to hang out to get a bond. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't think this is but I don't
Speaker 2: think we've got it like an immediate We're not clicking,
Speaker 2: Like it's feeling a bit awkward, and I think it
Speaker 2: was just a pressure that we were feeling. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: and I remember Danny being like they left the producers
Speaker 2: and they were like, so you guys, like if you
Speaker 2: want to keep hanging out right now, like that would
Speaker 2: be good, and Danny was like, oh, maybe we should
Speaker 2: like go to the aquarium or something, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is this is a disaster, like
Speaker 2: and I was like, am I that boring that she
Speaker 2: thinks we need to like do an activity like what?
Speaker 2: And then but then we had like we had dinner
Speaker 2: together for the first time, and once it was just
Speaker 2: us and we just sort of like it was nervous
Speaker 2: though it was like a blind date almost like we
Speaker 2: had to get along. We knew that there was this
Speaker 2: pressure that the show wasn't going to work unless week.
Speaker 2: Really it were like we got along. We knew we
Speaker 2: were going to be like filming all day every day together.
Speaker 2: And then we just kind of once we just had
Speaker 2: a few cocktails and a roast, the conversation flowed.
Speaker 3: We bonded over skin care and hair and.
Speaker 1: Like it like you had a girly chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we and then from there we just
Speaker 2: grew and grew, like the bond just grew and grew
Speaker 2: and grew, and we became really really intertwined and bonded
Speaker 2: like we were under so much pressure as well that
Speaker 2: we really helped each other and were each other's kind
Speaker 2: of support person as well through it all. And and
Speaker 2: then because we just had that natural connection things like
Speaker 2: physical affection and hugging or linking arms or stuff that
Speaker 2: you see on screen. That was really natural because I
Speaker 2: did always we always did want to kind of hug
Speaker 2: each other and hold each other's hands and the eye
Speaker 2: contact and that can like we had so many in
Speaker 2: jokes that you know, we could look at each other
Speaker 2: and have all that kind of cheeky twinkle in the
Speaker 2: eye stuff. So it all came really naturally, which was
Speaker 2: such a blessing as an actor because it meant that
Speaker 2: we weren't having to act that connection. It was just
Speaker 2: inherently there and it was just one thing that it
Speaker 2: was like set and forget. Don't have to worry about that,
Speaker 2: just figure out everything else. So yeah, I was really
Speaker 2: lucky that we got along to it and we talked
Speaker 2: like all the time, and I see her every week and.
Speaker 3: She did my nails. She's a whiz at all things
Speaker 3: she can do.
Speaker 1: Those are good nails. I can confirm for people the
Speaker 1: podcast this.
Speaker 3: Is like she lac She's amazing, Like.
Speaker 1: It's amazing craft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's incredible.
Speaker 1: I can imagine that the language that the two of
Speaker 1: you had created in your in real world, like in
Speaker 1: catching up and before filming, continued into the script because
Speaker 1: I guess there'd be times we might improvise a little bit.
Speaker 1: But is this show a little bit like in See
Speaker 1: No Man? In a sense like that whay you two
Speaker 1: have sort of turned up from this world in the
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, Like, is that a bit.
Speaker 3: I don't want? And See No Man is I'm terrible with.
Speaker 1: Oh it was a nine his comedy with Brendan Fraser.
Speaker 1: I think it is is like a like a warlock,
Speaker 1: like a man. You know, it's thought out in the
Speaker 1: nineties and then basically, you know, comedy ensues because it's
Speaker 1: you know, fish out of water, where I felt like
Speaker 1: with the two of you, it's kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit like you guys are from present day turning up
Speaker 1: and sort of absorbing this environment.
Speaker 2: I think that we're definitely like, it's definitely fish out
Speaker 2: of Water story, and it's definitely the audience are seeing
Speaker 2: dead Horse Gap the town through our eyes. We're the
Speaker 2: inn for the audience. And as much as we're pretty outrageous,
Speaker 2: the characters around us are even more kind of heightened,
Speaker 2: and so it is kind of us receiving and responding
Speaker 2: and reacting to that world around us.
Speaker 3: But this was my big thing, like is it time travel?
Speaker 3: Like why do we know those words? Why do we
Speaker 3: know those references?
Speaker 2: But we're definitely from that time period, and it's more
Speaker 2: that we are we just happen to have, you know,
Speaker 2: an innate understanding of social politics and kind of we're
Speaker 2: just ahead of our time in that sense. But there
Speaker 2: probably were people like there are always people who were
Speaker 2: a bit ahead of their time in that in that way,
Speaker 2: and so that was the kind of mentality that I
Speaker 2: went into it with, was like, I'm not Gert hasn't
Speaker 2: grown up in twenty twenty three Australia and then gone
Speaker 2: back to eighteen fifty three Goldfields. She's she's just a
Speaker 2: bit more empathetic and aware of things and socially.
Speaker 1: Aware, but she's still getting those words like hype girl, hard,
Speaker 1: launch of a relationship. The characters are sex positive, you
Speaker 1: guys are looking out for red flags, so you know,
Speaker 1: it is still very current in that language that you know,
Speaker 1: it's good that you've explained that because I'm not at
Speaker 1: the end of the series, but I was thinking not
Speaker 1: be hard to believe that all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: you know, it flashes back to you guys getting out
Speaker 1: of a time machine, you know.
Speaker 2: Totally totally Yeah, No, that's and that was like a
Speaker 2: big thing for me because I'm I'm so literal about
Speaker 2: things like as an actor, I can't play something less.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it really fully. So I've had a
Speaker 2: lot of conversations with Jack Raw's like explain this to me,
Speaker 2: but it was just I guess it's just to sort
Speaker 2: of suspend his belief in that sense and just kind
Speaker 2: of go with it that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know all those references.
Speaker 2: Like we didn't do things that we didn't do, references
Speaker 2: that were like we did things like your hype girl
Speaker 2: hard Launch.
Speaker 3: I think we said like F Boy.
Speaker 2: And stuff, but we were careful to not run reference
Speaker 2: like Beyonce or some something like very much cemented.
Speaker 1: In reality, terms are always there though, you know, it's
Speaker 1: interesting there would have been terms used in a way
Speaker 1: about that kind of behavior. You know. I was only
Speaker 1: talking about this the other day when I was watching
Speaker 1: F Boy Island and my best friend I'm talking about it.
Speaker 1: We were like, oh, well, like F Boy, it's new,
Speaker 1: but we're like, no, they were called a player when
Speaker 1: we were growing up. Do you know what I mean
Speaker 1: so like if it was the f boy is now
Speaker 1: you know you formally called a player. I'm sure there
Speaker 1: would have been something of a term like this about
Speaker 1: men in it.
Speaker 2: I looked up see this is my notebook, this is
Speaker 2: all my research and stuff. There was like there were
Speaker 2: definite words for that for men. Source box was like
Speaker 2: pie hole. I don't know, they just had like if
Speaker 2: you were depressed, you got the MORBs, like there was
Speaker 2: there was words for of course, who was a good friend.
Speaker 2: It was just it was just interesting, like there was oh,
Speaker 2: dirty puzzle was nasty plant. So it was all like,
Speaker 2: you know, they had words then as well.
Speaker 3: And I was like, Jack, let's get these references in.
Speaker 3: Let's bring them back. No, but they're too obscure.
Speaker 1: I thinks, of course they're too obscure. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the magic of this show is that it has
Speaker 1: been updated like that. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you as well about the where
Speaker 1: it was filmed. I was getting some really strong Movie
Speaker 1: World vibes from when I went to Movie World as
Speaker 1: a child, and I don't know when the last time
Speaker 1: I went back there. Was it filmed at Movie World?
Speaker 2: No, it was filmed at a place called Porcupine Village.
Speaker 1: Oh where is that.
Speaker 2: It's in a town called Malden, which is ah and
Speaker 2: a half out of Melbourne. It's near like Ballarat and
Speaker 2: Castle Maine.
Speaker 1: Like so Sovereign Hill type place, Thorren.
Speaker 3: Hill type place. Yeah. It was built in the nineties
Speaker 3: as a tourist town.
Speaker 2: Uh huh regitration and then it wasn't news for ten
Speaker 2: twenty years and then someone bought it.
Speaker 3: So the producers saw the ad on real estate dot
Speaker 3: Com and kind of swooped in the like can we
Speaker 3: hire this? And it's being done up.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to open soon, but it's going
Speaker 2: to be done up for like it's being done for
Speaker 2: wedding venues. And there's a pub there that's like the
Speaker 2: world's smallest pub that can only seat five Like.
Speaker 1: Oh great, it's like this cool town.
Speaker 3: But it was awesome.
Speaker 2: We like went there and it was like thirty buildings
Speaker 2: that were all like period accurate, and it was amazing
Speaker 2: to kind of just be able to like really immerse
Speaker 2: yourself in the world and pretend you're really back in
Speaker 2: time like that.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to judge these people, but people who
Speaker 1: get like have those theme weddings gives me the ick,
Speaker 1: just like I know.
Speaker 3: When they were like, we've done five weddings this year,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, weddings what who?
Speaker 3: What? What are they wear? It's like not my people.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: At the bar, I was like, this.
Speaker 1: Is oh, yes, yeah bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, I mean whatever floats your boat.
Speaker 1: There's also some amazing recognizable faces in this cast. We
Speaker 1: mentioned Eddie Perfect before, but there's like Heather Mitchell, Lincoln
Speaker 1: Uni There's just so many exciting faces. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of new people as well, which I thought
Speaker 1: was great. But were you excited to work alongside you know,
Speaker 1: like Heather Mitchell, she's like acting Royalty for Australia. You know,
Speaker 1: were you excited to work alongside those sorts of people? Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was so exciting.
Speaker 2: Like every time they cast a new character, I was like, oh, perfect,
Speaker 2: I love them. And some of the people I had
Speaker 2: worked with before, like Brandon McClelland, who plays Lenny the
Speaker 2: police officer. He and I had played husband and wife
Speaker 2: in a play before.
Speaker 1: I was also going to say, you know, that scene
Speaker 1: with Lincoln Unice is so sexy, so we have to
Speaker 1: unpack that because I'm obviously a creep. Did you find
Speaker 1: him as a bushranger very sexy whilst you were filming?
Speaker 3: When you refer to the scene, is that like in
Speaker 3: the bedroom.
Speaker 1: In the bedroom, I mean the chemistry when you first
Speaker 1: meet in the bar is also very electric. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was believing that the sparks were flying.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard for the two of you not
Speaker 1: to find each other attractive. I'm sure in the real world.
Speaker 1: But this scene that's in the bedroom is is sexy, funny, hilarious.
Speaker 1: There's different roles that we haven't seen, men and women
Speaker 1: playing in the bedroom, which was hilarious. Like, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to know what it seemed like. You must have
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun shooting it.
Speaker 3: We did so.
Speaker 2: Link is a really really dear friend, so when he
Speaker 2: was cast, I was like, amazing, Like we're so comfortable together.
Speaker 3: But also like it's like kissing your brother.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I think this is for the best,
Speaker 2: this is good will we like we get it, We've
Speaker 2: got a communication like this is great, but also like
Speaker 2: and I was talking to my partner about it, who's
Speaker 2: also friends with Lincoln, I was like, it's gonna be weird.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be weird today, Today's day, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But you know, on set, you play it cool and
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I'm thinking, like hold it for two beats,
Speaker 2: come out, that's the thing. But we worked with Amy Kita,
Speaker 2: our intimacy coordinator, who was amazing.
Speaker 3: So she talks through.
Speaker 2: Everything in a really clear, breaks it down mechanical ways.
Speaker 2: So even like the first kiss with Lincoln, she demonstrated
Speaker 2: to me on a pot how to kind of come
Speaker 2: up and use Lincolm like a pole and like demonstrated
Speaker 2: what kind of kiss on her hands, so like it
Speaker 2: was completely spelled out for me, so that I knew
Speaker 2: exactly what to do, he knew exactly what to expect.
Speaker 2: And the scene where we were mucking around in the bed,
Speaker 2: I think we threw around a few ideas the day
Speaker 2: before and we kind of because he flew in from Sydney,
Speaker 2: we didn't have any time to rehearse, so we just
Speaker 2: kind of had a chat about what would be funny
Speaker 2: in terms of images, and the aim was always to
Speaker 2: go for the comedy, and I think we kind of
Speaker 2: just trusted that the sexual chemistry would just kind of
Speaker 2: be there, just by the natural.
Speaker 1: It is all there, everyone's bits are all in the
Speaker 1: right place. It's very funny and very sexy.
Speaker 2: Great great, well, yeah, I know, like the day onset
Speaker 2: when he had his top off, some of the women
Speaker 2: in the crew were very excited.
Speaker 3: They were like it was like it.
Speaker 2: Was International Women's Day. And she was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we got a gift on International Women's Day for me
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't think that's how it works.
Speaker 2: I guess my friend we're talking about. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm glad it works. But yeah, it was just a
Speaker 2: lot of kind of like having fun. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: we just we just walked around. We didn't get too
Speaker 2: many takes at each thing. Some most of it we
Speaker 2: just did one take of each kind.
Speaker 1: Of yeah right vignette.
Speaker 3: But I'm glad it all comes together.
Speaker 1: If not for anything, please watch the show just to
Speaker 1: watch that it go okay. I think it's thirty five
Speaker 1: seconds thirty five seconds of joy.
Speaker 2: When your partner walked in and you were like see.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for the people listening to the podcast, we
Speaker 1: were talking about this before, and I feel like I
Speaker 1: should bring this part of the story in because it
Speaker 1: is quite funny. But we had been watching Hijacked, which
Speaker 1: has it was his an Alba ddress album Dress Albert
Speaker 1: and he's it's not out yet, it's coming out on
Speaker 1: Apple Plus. Very good, don't promote show on a different
Speaker 1: network anyway, very serious hijack, thriller, drama. And then after
Speaker 1: we watched that, I straight away put on this show
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, okay, so gold Digger is a
Speaker 1: bit different in theme, and so my partner after about
Speaker 1: five minutes just said, not for me, We're not watching this.
Speaker 1: Turn it off. So anyway, we turned it off, and
Speaker 1: then I came back to it and revisited and watched
Speaker 1: three episodes in the first sitting. All together seen six
Speaker 1: episodes and I just was like, it's amazing. This show
Speaker 1: is so funny and you've missed out and you're going
Speaker 1: to have to watch it, but please watch this scene
Speaker 1: with Lincoln Unis. And he watched that scene and he
Speaker 1: was like, I think the show is for me. I
Speaker 1: feel very feel, very silly that I set this one
Speaker 1: out and will you watch it again? Absolutely awesome. But
Speaker 1: he also had seen you in other things, so we'd
Speaker 1: seen Class of seven, well Mania north Shore. I'm also
Speaker 1: watching the PM's Daughter season two at the moment. So
Speaker 1: you're absolutely killing it and very fast becoming a household
Speaker 1: name because of all of these shows, which we sort
Speaker 1: of talked a little bit about before. But you know,
Speaker 1: you had been doing theater for such a long time.
Speaker 1: How did you find this transition from you know, the
Speaker 1: work that you're doing in theater to now being a
Speaker 1: television actress.
Speaker 2: I think for me, like you know, when I graduated
Speaker 2: from from WAPO in twenty ten, I was twenty, and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, you think you're going to
Speaker 2: be the exception to the rule. You're told like, no
Speaker 2: one's gonna make it one person in out of twenty
Speaker 2: and you think.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm gonna be different. I'm going to go to them.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2: And for me, it just did not happen in that way.
Speaker 2: Like I just every year it was like more theater.
Speaker 2: Couldn't get my foot in the door with screen, like
Speaker 2: I did the odd screen job, but it was just
Speaker 2: like all right, I just kept doing theater, and then
Speaker 2: I started doing voiceovers and that was kind of supplemented
Speaker 2: my income, so I stopped having to kind of do
Speaker 2: six casual jobs to pay the rent, and I just
Speaker 2: kind of kept I guess in terms of it's almost
Speaker 2: like an apprenticeship. I just kept having the opportunity to
Speaker 2: play different characters, work with different actors, directors, on different
Speaker 2: scripts and genres, and so for yeah, twelve years, I
Speaker 2: was just kind of like earning my stripes in that way.
Speaker 2: And so then when Class of seven came along that audition,
Speaker 2: I was just I think I was just more confident
Speaker 2: in myself as an actor and as a person. I'd
Speaker 2: also gone through during COVID I just wanted to quit
Speaker 2: acting completely. I was just like, I'm done with this.
Speaker 2: I can't I don't want to do this anymore. So
Speaker 2: i'd also kind of taking a step back. So when
Speaker 2: the Class seven audition came through, I was like, this
Speaker 2: is really good. I really love this. Like I haven't
Speaker 2: seen anything like this in my whole career that I've
Speaker 2: wanted this much, So I kind of threw everything at it.
Speaker 2: And then I think from there, I don't know what happened,
Speaker 2: whether my confidence was up as an actor, or whether
Speaker 2: the industry suddenly we're like, oh, she's done that, so
Speaker 2: we can give her a chance on this. And then
Speaker 2: that kind of snowballed because I think I've always been
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm necessarily a much better actor than
Speaker 2: I was, you know, ten years ago. But I just
Speaker 2: think maybe my confidence, my maturity, maybe even just my
Speaker 2: face matches my personality or something. And now it's all
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 1: A lot finally caught up. You're finally I'm trying to
Speaker 1: still catch up with grow into my nose. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you've finally grown into the person I
Speaker 1: think that you always had. It's kind of like those
Speaker 1: women that are trying to get pregnant, though, and they
Speaker 1: almost give up and then they get pregnant. It's like that,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the industry in a way. You
Speaker 1: can be extraordinarily talented, you can have all of the
Speaker 1: tools and you can do the job, but it just
Speaker 1: takes a little bit of luck, chance and circumstance to
Speaker 1: get that one job. And then, because you were always amazing,
Speaker 1: other roles then come out. And so I think this
Speaker 1: is a I think this is a really exciting period
Speaker 1: for you now because you'd be like, well, I've come
Speaker 1: from theater to television, that I'll be making movies in
Speaker 1: America and that's the plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's like and that's the thing
Speaker 2: is like, even though I may have thought when I
Speaker 2: was twenty two that I was ready to be the
Speaker 2: leader of an ABC comedy, I know so much more
Speaker 2: now that I think feel like I'm the most ready
Speaker 2: obviously to take on these opportunities. Like I feel like
Speaker 2: everything I've learned has led me to this point and
Speaker 2: I'm bringing so much of that those experiences, so that
Speaker 2: when I did rock up on setain and I was
Speaker 2: number one on the call sheet for the first time,
Speaker 2: I wasn't daunted by it. I was like, Okay, I know,
Speaker 2: you know, it was even all those jobs that led
Speaker 2: to gold diggets that in the last eighteen months of
Speaker 2: screen jobs, it was sort of like five on the
Speaker 2: call sheet and then six, but I was on every day,
Speaker 2: you know, like just like different experiences to mean that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when by the time and it finally was like this
Speaker 2: this is you now, I was like, okay, yeah, I
Speaker 2: can do this.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, what I think is really
Speaker 1: interesting is we always think, like when you want something
Speaker 1: really badly, you're in your head a lot thinking about
Speaker 1: what you think people want from you. So there's this
Speaker 1: barrier that you've created for yourself because you're not being
Speaker 1: your authentic self. You're not giving them the best of
Speaker 1: you because you're so busy telling yourself that, oh no,
Speaker 1: they oh no, they want this from me. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that's happened to me before.
Speaker 1: I'm this is a different industry. But like I remember,
Speaker 1: I was so desperate after the first season of Big
Speaker 1: Brother that I was like, I want to be on
Speaker 1: Big Brother. And so then I auditioned for the show
Speaker 1: and they liked it, but I never got cast, and
Speaker 1: I auditioned like probably four times before I got on it.
Speaker 1: But the thing that was really interesting about it was
Speaker 1: through every audition prior to the one that I got on,
Speaker 1: I always was the first. I was too young in
Speaker 1: my early twenties. I was like, oh, I have to
Speaker 1: be like Sarah Marie, you know, And so I was
Speaker 1: mimicking other people's behaviors and trying to be everybody else
Speaker 1: but myself. I was trying to give them what I
Speaker 1: thought they wanted, and that sort of continued throughout the
Speaker 1: audition process over the years. But by the time I
Speaker 1: got on, I literally turned up and was like, I'm
Speaker 1: a mess. This is who I am, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it worked totally. You could be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: an actress, I need to be blonde or I need
Speaker 1: to be this, and you try and fit into these
Speaker 1: molds and the moment you throw the hair dye away
Speaker 1: and go fuck it, you know, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: be me, you get the job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: I kept my hair blonde for seven years, I think
Speaker 2: because I'd been told that would make me more appealing.
Speaker 3: Kept my hair long, like was terrified to cut it.
Speaker 2: All these things that you're trying to be what you
Speaker 2: think an industry wants, and really you're just appealing to
Speaker 2: like TV executives.
Speaker 3: That's why, you know.
Speaker 2: I was like trying to be more I guess sexually
Speaker 2: appealing in that way, like with the blonde thing. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 2: I was trying to be something else. And you can
Speaker 2: see like I went when I watched my old self tapes,
Speaker 2: like there's just a discomfort in my own skin because
Speaker 2: I'm not confident in I'm I'm just self critical and
Speaker 2: questioning everything. And yeah, I think because I decided, I
Speaker 2: was like why I need this? You know, I'm actually
Speaker 2: happy just during COVID. I was just doing watercolor painting
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is great, I can just
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 1: It meant to me this, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it meant that I didn't Yeah, I didn't need it.
Speaker 2: And I and I think, particularly with gold Diggers, like
Speaker 2: I went in with that for that callback of like you.
Speaker 3: Would be lucky to have me.
Speaker 2: You passed this up, which is you know, not healthy maybe,
Speaker 2: but I think it made an impression.
Speaker 1: I think as well. My dad once said to me,
Speaker 1: what's inside your head at any given time is what
Speaker 1: people will read from you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And so if you can't shake it from your head,
Speaker 1: like he told me this because he'd always want me
Speaker 1: to smile authentically for photos. This sounds so weird, but
Speaker 1: whenever my dad wants to be in a photo, you know,
Speaker 1: stand there on you know, at the zoo with this
Speaker 1: animal behind you and smile and we'd be like as kids,
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, you know that. No, He's like,
Speaker 1: when you're in the photo, think about something fun and positive,
Speaker 1: because he wanted that to be emulated. And that actually
Speaker 1: stayed with me because it is very true that background
Speaker 1: voice that we have in the back of our head
Speaker 1: is what we're projecting at all times, even if you're
Speaker 1: acting totally Yeah, you've got to store that in the
Speaker 1: back of it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually had the experience of being a reader for
Speaker 2: many years in auditions so for casting directors, and that
Speaker 2: was so insightful to me because you learn so much
Speaker 2: about what that what that first impression is when you
Speaker 2: walk through the door, how you greet people. And I
Speaker 2: also I used to notice when we audition kids, they
Speaker 2: just they were just like you'd be like, how it's
Speaker 2: going to be like, yeah, fine, like I'm just doing
Speaker 2: this after school and then I'm going to go like
Speaker 2: Mum will buy me afternoon tea? Like they didn't. They
Speaker 2: had no investment. And because of that, like you were
Speaker 2: like you leant in and then you'd have I noticed
Speaker 2: a real.
Speaker 3: Difference with the.
Speaker 2: New dads in their forties who'd come in on their
Speaker 2: lunch breaks and that kind of desperation that they needed
Speaker 2: it because they obviously had a new family to support.
Speaker 2: I just that was the demographic that I really noticed
Speaker 2: that that desperation as much as they like would try
Speaker 2: and be like how are you going like and it
Speaker 2: it was just you're just this air of kind of
Speaker 2: like need that. Yeah, really resonated, So I always.
Speaker 1: Kind of no one likes a needy and no one
Speaker 1: likes a needy straight white male. I mean no, no,
Speaker 1: no one needs a need cat either. I'm looking after
Speaker 1: my friend's cat at the moment, So no one likes
Speaker 1: anyone that's needy. Just no.
Speaker 3: And you notice as.
Speaker 2: Well, people hang around too much after the audition to
Speaker 2: chat and then they try and shake yourone's hand, and
Speaker 2: that I'm always like out the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cheers, bye, thanks very much. What's the replay? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you what you need, give me the job. What I
Speaker 1: thought was also could also have sort of come into
Speaker 1: a line with you, is that we're seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of these left of center ideas on television, you know,
Speaker 1: that are a little bit different to that normal basic
Speaker 1: storyline formula that we've seen on TV for a really
Speaker 1: long time. Maybe your comic genius or maybe your style
Speaker 1: is suiting this more left of center, like, yes, we're
Speaker 1: telling a story that's quite familiar, but let's throw the
Speaker 1: main character out as this and make it something crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think that happening
Speaker 1: more and more. Maybe with streaming services, we're allowed to
Speaker 1: tell broader stories. Had you noticed that as well, that
Speaker 1: we're now telling stories on television that are probably your
Speaker 1: basic story type but just flipping it and making it bonkers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've definitely that.
Speaker 2: I've never thought of it like that, Like I think
Speaker 2: I think you might be right in that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess there's more of an appetite for quirkier comedy or
Speaker 2: a bit different in terms of classifs. And that was
Speaker 2: high concept comedy, like I think comedy does seem to
Speaker 2: be my niche and character comedy and offbeat or yeah,
Speaker 2: just a bit like off center. But yeah, I just
Speaker 2: think because of the boom of TV, with all these
Speaker 2: different streaming services and production companies, there's just so much
Speaker 2: more funding for different stories from different people with different experiences.
Speaker 3: And yeah, the different writers obviously bring.
Speaker 2: Their experiences and that leads to writing characters that are
Speaker 2: different and interesting. So I've definitely noticed. I mean, when
Speaker 2: I graduated, like I remember, you'd I auditioned for like
Speaker 2: there'd be a place to call home, doctor, doctor, Like
Speaker 2: there'd be a Channel nine drama, Channel ten drama, Like
Speaker 2: it was a telemovie under belly, Like it was sort
Speaker 2: of very straight in that way, and I think I
Speaker 2: think in trying to fit into that, I I don't
Speaker 2: think I do that any better than anyone. Like I'm
Speaker 2: you know, as an actress, like you do the lines,
Speaker 2: you cry a bit, and that you look good in
Speaker 2: address or whatever, And I think I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't do that particularly well or better than anyone.
Speaker 2: But I think with calmed like because I have an
Speaker 2: appetite for that and I really have a passion for
Speaker 2: kind of making things as interesting and detailed as possible.
Speaker 3: I think that's where I started.
Speaker 2: I've started to be able to kind of stand out
Speaker 2: in that way to be able to get those opportunities.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think, yeah, I hadn't thought about that,
Speaker 2: but I think there's definitely.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think in doctor, doctor, who you would
Speaker 1: have auditioned for? You know, you're not. Actually someone told
Speaker 1: me this the other day. You're not allowed to tell
Speaker 1: actors don't like telling people roles they're bone for that
Speaker 1: they haven't got. Is that a true thing?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I tell everyone I audition for Home and Away.
Speaker 2: When I graduated for like, I went for like seven
Speaker 2: different roles. I got all for all of them. Like
Speaker 2: I went I figured out over seven years, I went
Speaker 2: in twenty three times.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I just never.
Speaker 2: I like auditioned with Steve Peacock, like for three different roles,
Speaker 2: and I just never got And I was just like.
Speaker 1: He's like this girl again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like.
Speaker 2: In my agent remember being like, it's not a matter
Speaker 2: of if, but when, and it just never. I've never
Speaker 2: been on Home and Away, but no doctor doctor. I
Speaker 2: went for Danielle's role, and I also went for Shalom
Speaker 2: Brune Franklin's role, the Irish.
Speaker 1: Nurse, and then I never I never got either of them,
Speaker 1: didn't get them.
Speaker 3: Didn't get them. But that was when I did.
Speaker 2: I got Hide and Seek, which shot at the same time,
Speaker 2: which was a crime thriller, which I thought was going
Speaker 2: to be my big break when I was twenty six,
Speaker 2: I was like a detective with Matt Nabel and Sara
Speaker 2: and didn't.
Speaker 3: That did not get renewed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard though, because some shows are really good. I
Speaker 1: mean I can't Hide and Siks I can't hasn't stayed
Speaker 1: in my zeitglist. But sometimes shows can be very good
Speaker 1: and not get a serial, Like some of my favorite
Speaker 1: series never got a series two so my so called
Speaker 1: life with Claire Danes was like one of the best
Speaker 1: TV series ever, and you know, there's more at play
Speaker 1: than just whether or not that's found an audience, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean totally. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: with gold Diggers. I hope there's a season two. Do
Speaker 1: we know if there's a season two?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I mean I've signed options so hopefully, but I no
Speaker 2: idea until the airs, I guess, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I hope that this show gets a season two. I
Speaker 1: can see this show evolving, and I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot to unpack in this show. It's not just a
Speaker 1: one joke. It's not a one trick pony with what
Speaker 1: it's trying to do, so hopefully we get more. My
Speaker 1: last question, though, is what is something from behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: something that we won't see that's kind of a bit like,
Speaker 1: you know, a behind the scenes secret of gold Diggers.
Speaker 3: I knew you're gonna ask this because I listened to
Speaker 3: some of your episodes. I have two.
Speaker 2: The first one is the horses were incredible, and they
Speaker 2: were like, you know how they take like horses into
Speaker 2: nursing homes to like make people happy.
Speaker 3: When we'd be on set a night they'd be like, Claire,
Speaker 3: we need to ever hear we get it?
Speaker 1: I go.
Speaker 3: Can I please just go pack the horse for a sec?
Speaker 2: So we loved I would just go and then we
Speaker 2: were obsessed with them. There was Rainy with the swishy
Speaker 2: tail and Horruce and we just go and pat them
Speaker 2: and that was really lovely. And one time a horse
Speaker 2: farted during a long it's really funny. But my other
Speaker 2: one is that what you wouldn't know is that Danny L.
Speaker 2: Walkie is incredibly competitive and we were always racing each
Speaker 2: other to be the first into the chair for makeup,
Speaker 2: the first out of the chair, first on to set.
Speaker 2: But she's not really acted before, so I was sort
Speaker 2: of teaching her some acting tricks and I taught her
Speaker 2: to cry on cue.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and how did you do that? Can we
Speaker 1: do that? Can we do some improv right now? Perhaps?
Speaker 3: I mean it's if you I can't. It's sort of
Speaker 3: like doing this.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like people people can't watch this. It's
Speaker 1: a podcast podcast.
Speaker 2: It's just sort of like you you just think, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's like a breath thing and like you
Speaker 2: think about your eyes and anyway you can kind of see.
Speaker 3: So I taught Danny how to do.
Speaker 2: That, and then she got really competitive and we would
Speaker 2: have for fun when we weren't acting, we would have
Speaker 2: competitions to see who could get a tear rolling first,
Speaker 2: and she was always she was.
Speaker 1: Really funny that as you were doing that, I started
Speaker 1: to get tears in my own eyes. That's not from
Speaker 1: your training. I just felt. I just looked at your
Speaker 1: your face while you were crying and was so believable.
Speaker 3: But like, oh, there you go. So yeah, and I
Speaker 3: was like, don't beat me. You can't be better to
Speaker 3: meet my own craft.
Speaker 1: I taught you this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's really and she would and we're making comedy.
Speaker 2: So they'd be like, okay, guys, we're getting ready to
Speaker 2: roll that. We're gonna do a funny scene. And we'd
Speaker 2: both be like turning, like facing a wall and like
Speaker 2: you guys reading me, like both turn around and be crying.
Speaker 3: But what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You've ruined it? What are you two doing? Claire? So
Speaker 1: amazing to have this chat with you, very funny, very insightful,
Speaker 1: spilt a lot of tea on everything, which I thought
Speaker 1: was great. I hope people have really enjoyed it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to chat
Speaker 1: with me today. It's been a lot of fun.