WEBVTT - Claire Lovering - GOLD DIGGERS - Actress 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.840 TV Reload, the podcast past deep that line. Welcome back, 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.640 guys to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris and 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.200 this is your podcast to get all the inside goss 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.680 all the popular TV shows you may be watching from 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.560 around the world. Undeniably, our TV sets are a major 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.200 part of our home entertainment, and yet very little is 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.279 known about how our favorite shows get made. So each episode, 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.400 I've been finding guests that want to do I've just 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.840 that little bit deeper into the shows they're currently making 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.560 so that you can hear all their exclusive stories and 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.520 gain access to the biggest names in Australian television. I 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.480 want to thank you for downloading or subscribing to this podcast. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.919 I love hearing your feedback, so make sure you leave 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.080 a review or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.159 This episode of the podcast, I'm joined by actress Claire Lovering, 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.159 who was one of the leads in ABC Australia's newest 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.680 comedy series, Gold Diggers. You may have seen her work 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.080 recently in Class of zero seven, while Mania or north 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.960 Shore and Coming Up. Claire will also feature in the 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.360 PM's Daughter, also to be seen on the ABC. However, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.560 we're here to talk about gold Diggers, which starts tonight Wednesday, 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.199 the fifth of July on ABC and abc I View. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.200 Set in eighteen fifty three, this outrageously funny series follows 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.080 these wildly optimistic Brewer sisters who ambitiously set out to 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.440 get lucky, but first they must conquer the lads Laice 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:21.319 Lechery of the Australian gold Rush. Gold Diggers is a 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.479 fast paced Australian comedy series. It's rude, silly, packed full 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.520 of joy, and is politically savage. Claire plays one of 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.559 the two Brewer sisters and I genuinely laughed out loud 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.560 watching this, so I hope you check it out. I 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.000 will ask Claire how this role came about and which 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.360 comedy shows had inspired her. Claire will talk about why 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.720 she nearly quit acting during the pandemic and why throwing 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.399 out the blonde haird eye was a bit of a 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.480 turning point in her career. We will hear about Claire's 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.800 time on set, from intimacy coach sex scenes to crying 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.640 competitions between takes. Plus, we will get plenty of exclusives 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.200 from behind the scenes of gold Diggers, which by the 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.160 time you're probably listening to this episode, TV Reload will 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.920 be available on ABC iView. Anyway, guys, let's bring Claire 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.680 into the podcast, and I hope you really enjoy this fun, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:13.040 very informative episode of TV Reload. Hi, Claire, how are good? 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.359 Thank you well, thank you for coming on the podcast. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.040 I mean, I'm excited to talk about this show, but 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.160 I'm excited to talk about you because right now you're 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.279 like hot property in television. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.519 It looks like that, I guess because I'm on a 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.080 lot of things I did last in the last eighteen 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.800 months are all coming out at once, so it looks 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:29.000 like I'm everywhere. 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.720 You know. It's funny though, you know that often happens 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.920 in the industry, and that is that while you're working, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.519 people don't know you're working, and so they think you're unemployed. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.720 And then when all your shows come out on TV, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.280 they think you're really busy, but in actual fact, then 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:44.119 you're unemployed again. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.880 You're doing nothing. I'm doing nothing. Yeah. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.720 Everyone's like, wow, you're everywhere, You're and I'm like, no, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:50.760 I was busy last year. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.480 This happened a while ago. Yes, yeah, now I need something. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.200 I just think you can make a really really good 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.320 show real out of all the work you've been doing. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.799 It's crazy because I was trying to I was trying 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.200 to put together a show real, I guess, like six 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.040 months ago to get a manager in America, and all 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.200 my screen credits were kind of from the last like 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.480 eight years ago, I guess, and so they were all 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.120 really dated, and all my material, like I looked completely different, 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:16.440 and I was like, I don't have anything. I was like, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.760 I've got all this stuff in the can, it just 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.919 hasn't come out yet. So I will be able to 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.720 put something together soon, hopefully. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.880 Yeah, I think you really do well. We're here to 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:29.000 talk about gold Diggers, which is a really fresh, screwball 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.280 comedy for the ABC. There's something kind of Monty Python 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:34.160 about the whole thing. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.080 Oh okay, cool. What is it about it that makes 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:38.200 it Monty Python for you? 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.119 I don't know, did you grow up watching that sort 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.040 of comedy. I grew up in a household where we 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.160 watched a lot of English comedy. And it's kind of 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.600 interesting because a lot of that Monty Python, like the 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.000 Life of Brian, was all set in a different time 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.840 whilst telling humor that was really relevant to today, which 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.720 works really well together. So that's kind of how I've 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.840 arrived with Monty Python. John Cleese could walk in and 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.360 work Yeah. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:01.680 Okay, cool. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.680 Yeah, because I was talking to Jack about Jack Out 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.600 writer creator about it, and he was saying that, like 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.200 because I was like, I don't know how to describe 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.400 to people that it's set in the past, but it's 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:14.280 got contemporary language, really fresh comedy, very contemporary references, and 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.839 he was like, well, it's been done before, Like Shakespeare 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.960 was doing it with his history plays. He was writing 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.359 them with you know, the language, the modern language of 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.920 that time, and he referenced Monty Python and he was 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.520 saying that he uses that he used the contemporary language 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.719 as a way to remove as many blocks as possible, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.599 to make it possible for the audience to connect with 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.400 the characters more easily. So it wasn't more about building 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.400 up layers, it was more about stripping things away. So 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.440 I think in that respect, yeah, hopefully it makes it 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.000 more accessible to audiences. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.360 And you're so funny in this, like really like laugh 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.200 out loud funny. You just have this face the whole 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.599 way through, no matter what your character is doing. And 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.039 I just wanted to know about your history with comedy. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.600 What sort of comedy shows were you watching when you 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.680 were growing up? Well, what are you borrowing from? I 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:00.760 guess in your work now? 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.080 I definitely my mummy's English, so I grew up watching 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.839 a lot of English TV. I loved things like like 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.159 The British Office is my favorite show. I loved shows 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.200 like Green Wing really kind of obscure but bold kind 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:18.760 of character comedy character. And because I've worked predominantly in theater, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.960 I always come at my work from a place of character, 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.239 and like, even though it's comedy, like if you're playing 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.160 the truth, but I'm always keen to kind of build 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.200 the character up and do like because you went to 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.600 drama school, Like I'll do animal work. I'll figure out 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.880 what animal they are, and like labarn and I'll do 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.160 personality quizzes online to figure out if they're an E, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.479 NFJ or you know, like I try and make the 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:44.680 character as full a person as possible so that I 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.600 can kind of put them in in those scenarios and 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.280 know how they would react. Yeah, I guess I come 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.360 at it from a place of character. I think because 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.880 I come from theater, I do pull big faces and 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.360 I'm not afraid to kind of be big and I 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.760 guess unflattering. I haven't seen it yet, so I'm assuming 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.599 I'm a lot of like pulling faces. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.400 Now. Those faces work because in theater you're kind of 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:05.960 having to play to the front row but to the 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.000 back row, and then you kind of try and dull 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.479 that down a little bit when you're doing television. But somehow, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.360 with this particular character, those sort of big caricature of 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.520 faces a bit Kristen Wig or even a bit Jim 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.080 and carry to a certain element. You know, they're all 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.400 landing really well, and it makes you laugh. 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.200 That was a thing when we were filming. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.320 You know, sometimes you don't have lines in the scene, 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.080 but you're sort of in it, and so if you 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.719 don't have a line, to kind of make a joke, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.719 but you're always mining for comedy. I would just pull 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.200 these weird faces to react, and I sort of would 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.720 joke to Danny, who played my sister Goldie. I would say, like, 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.520 I just feel like all I'm doing is like pulling 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.279 really big reaction faces. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.200 And then I went and did some adr and I 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:43.600 was like, oh God, they're in there. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.000 They've really cut to them quite a bit so, Yeah, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:47.600 I didn't expect them to be, but yeah, I guess 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.800 it's Skert's way of processing what's happening around her. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.520 And it's funny because you saying that has reminded me. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.760 Like even Eddie Perfect and a few other characters, I 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.400 noticed when they had their characters without dialogue, they were 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.560 also being extremely expressive as well. And I noticed that 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.840 more with Eddie Perfect because I remembered him so much 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.080 from Offspring and he had a character that wasn't so expressive. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.000 So yeah, so noticeable in this and Eddie Perfect is 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.120 actually perfect for this role. He's very funny, so perfect. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.360 I mean the number of times I would say perfect Eddie, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.560 how often do you get that? And he's like every day? 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:20.480 He was so dry. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:22.760 He was sort of like the you know, the uncle 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.880 figure for us, Like we were always trying to kind 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.280 of get him to laugh, get him to love us, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.840 and that kind of relationship was kind of mirrored in 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:30.280 real life. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.120 We were always kind of we're obsessed with him. He's 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:33.760 so beautiful. But he was perfect. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.600 See it again, it's probably why they you know, they 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.120 named in that way. He came out and he looked perfect, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.360 but you know, Gert Brewer, who was your character. She 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.600 kind of plays this one part of the scrappy sister 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.080 duo that sort of rereaks havoc on the gold mine 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.400 and it's very funny. But how have you tried to 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.240 describe this personally to your friends and family? I know 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.440 you talked a little bit before about how you should 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.680 talk about it, but like, how do you explain this 0:07:58.720 --> 0:07:59.760 show to get people to watch it? 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.320 I guess what I say to people. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.920 I say it's I say it's about two rat bag 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.600 sisters who go to the gold fields to try and 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.960 get a rich husband. But now I kind of joke 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.840 and go and hr larity ensues. But I think, like 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.840 for me, I've described her as a bit of a 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.960 superhero in that she can get away with anything. She's 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:23.720 one of those people that has no She's completely unseelf conscious, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.720 no self judgment, no insecurities. Anything that knocks her down, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.920 she just does. She just gets up and keeps on moving. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.040 She was a bit inspired by a friend of mine 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.000 who has just got this incredible enthusiasm for life. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.360 He's he's actually an actor and he. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.920 Can we mention him like I feel like we should. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.600 Yeah, sure, his name's Kick Gury. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.800 Oh, I know him. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.200 He's in looking for Labrady and he he's a really 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.600 good friend. He lives in our apartment building and he 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.800 all through COVID was writing this show which is now 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.480 being made with it's called Court. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.360 It's coming out. I'm actually in it, but it comes 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.520 out in late this year. It's got Sean. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.840 Penn, Susan Sarandon, it's got all these maz people. And 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.600 through COVID for two years he was going, I'm gonna 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:03.719 make the sure it's gonna be the best show where 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.679 it's gonna have these people in it. And he get, 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.280 you know, making a show so hard. He got knocked 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.559 back and knocked back, and every time he got a no, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.600 it just made him more determined to kind of keep going. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:13.440 He just never gave up. 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.400 And that kind of relentless optimism and enthusiasm was a 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.400 big part of the character of Gert because that kind 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.240 of optimism in the face of adversity and never giving 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.320 up is what makes characters so funny. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.080 That was what sort of Jack inspired Jack. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.800 That kind of comedy, like Leslie nopod Or, I think 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.559 he mentioned David Brent, like characters that just never give up, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.080 and so she's that. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.320 To me, she was and it's so fun to. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.760 Play a character like that where you were just you 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.839 can stand in this and you completely bulletproof, nothing gets 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.560 to you. And she's funny and she's she's brush and 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.920 she's bold and she's outrageous and she's not afraid to 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.400 tell people what she thinks of them and physically big 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.080 as well. Like it was great to kind of just 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:51.959 be able to go crazy in that way. 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.560 She's a little obnoxious, but she's incredibly likable. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.200 It's so likable. That's good. She's likable. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.439 Yeah, tells people what she's thinking though, you know, which 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.240 I love in real world. You know, I love people 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.800 who you know, kind of when someone walks into the 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.920 room dressed as a frog, they go, you're a frog? 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:08.600 You know what I mean? 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.000 I love yeah, totally. Yeah, that kind of enthusiasts like yea, 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:13.000 hey man, you've awesome. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:14.160 That's the person. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.640 Yeah, like say anything like that's something terrible. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:17.720 Yeah. 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.800 I'm quite an introvert, and so when I do these 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.640 like personality quizzes, it's it's really to make me able 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.320 to realize the differences between me and a character, and 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.000 Gert was the exact opposite to. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.440 Me in every personality trait. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.560 She's an extrovert, she's assertive, she's an and so like 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.640 for me, like, I'll walk down the street and kind 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.240 of keep my head down where it's And I noticed 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.120 with Kick, he'll walk down the street in Bondy and. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:41.679 He'll be like, hey, Alan, how are you going? 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.080 You're like he'll know everyone in every shop and be 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.080 on a first name basis, have like know their whole 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.560 life history. And I feel like Gert's like that. She's 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.520 kind of leans into life and with people. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.240 So yeah, I feel like it would be wrong of 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.959 me not to mention my kickstory. But I was living 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.560 in Los Angeles in two thousand and seven. Yes that's right, people, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.959 I'm old, and I was watching him on a date 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.440 with Christina Richie. Oh yeah yeah, yeah they did. And 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.480 so I was watching this happen and she's exactly the 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.120 same age as May. I grew up watching her from 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.840 Casper to everything. And I was there to meet a 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.400 friend and I don't know if we even spoke basically, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.880 because we just spent the whole time live like goggle boxing. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.080 You know, this date that was going on and yeah, 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.440 they went. They started dating after that, and she even 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.240 came to Melbourne. It was very strange, but I think 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.000 he would be slightly freaked out by the fund that 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:38.120 I was there. Love that date one Fairfax Avenue in 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:39.319 Los Angeles. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:41.440 You know it was date one. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:43.680 I'm pretty sure it was because we could hear part 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.199 of the conversation. Actually we could hear everything. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.360 So he will love that so much. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.560 Very funny story. So we're going to get back into 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:52.760 this TV series now. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.200 Okay, okay, he will love that. I'm going to tell him. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.320 You know, the concept I think is you know, a 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.679 little bonkers at times as we were talking, but it's 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.400 also really clever in the sense that it's making you laugh, 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.439 but it's also making you think, because the patriarchy gets 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.200 challenged without it being too political, and I think it's 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.600 a very net It's something we need to talk about, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.120 and somehow you've interwoven that into this story, which is 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.040 a comedy in a way that I think is very 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:19.480 accessible to the audience. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.720 Yeah, and Jack was saying that that by keeping it 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.120 at a little bit of arm's length with the period setting, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.600 he's able to talk about issues of today, like the patriarchy, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.640 like toxic masculinity, like the housing crisis, but it's not 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.120 on the nose because we feel a little bit more 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.960 removed from it. So that was really deliberate that we're 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.880 able to kind of comment on things without it feeling 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.000 really obvious. I think that does make it more accessible, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.720 and it's just I guess, a fresh perspective on it. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.200 Like when you know you're looking at girls that can't 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.280 not allowed to drink in the pub, or they can't 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.440 find a place to live or can't get a job. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.640 It's sort of you're able to kind of absorb it, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.720 I guess, without feeling too close to it, So it 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:57.720 gives you a bit of perspective. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.520 I think. Also the thing that I enjoy is that 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.920 it's going to get a broad audience and there's people 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.480 out there that probably need to understand about some of 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.280 the challenges with the patriarchy and how it needs to change, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.440 and that they're not being beaten over the head with it, 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.880 you know what I mean, Like it's being packaged in 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.959 a way that people will go, oh, you know, I'm 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.640 looking at that differently because I'm not being told I'm stupid. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.920 I'm accessing this in a really light and intelligent way. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:25.920 I mean, we've definitely had a laugh about Like some 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.120 of the comments on the trailer on their Facebook is like, oh, 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.520 another thing about women thinking it's funny to you know, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:34.560 reach man is stupid. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:35.719 I'm won't be watching this. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.480 And it's like, well that that's of course, this isn't 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.400 for you. But you're kind of the people that would 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.480 love to see it, and. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.640 They'll watch it. I think, you know, being that it 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.840 has a home on the ABC, I think there's an 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.120 older generation that's going to watch this and look at 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:49.400 it differently, which is cool. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:49.840 Yeah. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.240 Cool. Anyway, I need to ask you about how this 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.760 project came about, Like was it something that came to 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.840 your agent or your audition for it, or did you 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.760 know someone that was working on it. How did this 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:00.800 all come about for you? 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.760 It came just through like a regular email through the agent, 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.080 But there was something in the email that really caught 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.280 my attention, which was they said they were looking for fearless, 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.920 funny actors who could bring their own personal charm and 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:13.880 chemistry to the role. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.520 And I was like, oh, all right, you want me 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:16.560 to feel it's funny. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.400 Okay, because that usually means like bring everything, throw everything 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.160 at it. And I started to find in my career 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.080 that if I get an audition and I make it 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:25.840 my own and I kind of tweak the script or 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.160 add lib or improvise have fun with it, that tends 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.200 to be when I get further along the casting process 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.640 or get a call back or get the job. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:33.960 So I was like, all right, it sounds like you 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:34.880 want me to really go for it. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.480 So I auditioned and I immediately was like, you're on 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.040 a short list, come, you know, just hang in there. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.280 And then there was a callback over zoom and then 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.520 it just went quiet, and there was a lot of 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.400 talk like they saw seven hundred actresses for me and 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.120 Danny's roles, so like they even did a whole casting 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.960 of England and Ireland at one point, so everyone everyone's 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:55.440 talking about it. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:55.800 I got it. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.440 I was like, oh, this was like fun, But I 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.640 don't think I'm I'm right for this. I just don't 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.240 think I'm not like as I've said, like I'm a 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.520 bit of an introvert. I'm a bit more gentle, like 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.880 I'm not like day everybody. So I was like, I 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.080 don't know if I'm really right anyway. So I didn't 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.440 hear after the callback, and then I heard that they 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.640 were doing other callbacks and lots of people were in 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.720 the mix. And then I got told I didn't get 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.200 it with months and I was like, okay, that's all right, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.560 you know, I'll let that go. And then at which 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.760 point Danny had been pretty much cast. And then I 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.400 didn't hear for like two months and then a week 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.840 before Christmas, So this is what started in August. It 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.120 was like a five month process. Maybe I've done my 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.440 massive but anyway, then the week before Christmas, they were like, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.440 come back in for a chemistry read. So I went 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.000 back in and Danny had been cast, so they were 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.600 just trying different girts opposite her. And at that point, 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.600 because I've been told I didn't get it, I'd sort 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.480 of let it go. So I kind of was able 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.480 to go back in with this freedom of like, well 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.560 I've already lost it, so I've got nothing to lose 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.440 and everything to gain. And also you didn't want me, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.600 so look what you look what you missed down. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.280 I was a bit of a kind of up yours. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:57.920 I think I went in with a bit of that 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.840 kind of girt. I guess meantal and when I did. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.080 I think they really responded to that. Apparently they could. 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.240 They really loved the love between us. They could really 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.600 tell that that was there, So that was it was. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.680 It was a long drawn out process, but it wasn't 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.040 too painful. I wasn't strung along because I was let 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:14.720 go for a bit. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.120 So that's always the worst. When I mean all of 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.920 these things. People always think things happen in a straight line. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.280 In the entertainment world. It never does, you know what 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.080 I mean, Like so much that happens before the camera's 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.800 even roll. What I thought was interesting was that this 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.440 show's success really does rely on this chemistry between you 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.080 and Daniel Walker, which does work, you know, And I 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.320 guess that's what they're looking for when they're auditioning that 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.480 both of you. But did you both try and work 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.160 out ways in how you would create that sisterhood, because 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.800 I mean, you both don't look the same, you know 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.920 what I mean, what are you doing to create that 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:49.160 magic behind the scenes. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.800 Well, when we first, like, we did the read through 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.160 and we did the chemistry read and I had this 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:58.040 immediate affection towards her because she's so sweet and seems innocent, 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.280 like she's hilarious and amazing and fear intelligent and all that, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.800 but she presents as kind of just like oh hello, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.679 Like so I immediately had like felt this affection towards her. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.399 And I remember my agent saying, would you cast you 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.680 guys as sisters after the chemistry read? And I was like, yeah, 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:12.679 I would, I would, like I think we had a 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.240 warmth there. And then I remember we had a lunch 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.920 with like the producers and that was the first time 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:18.760 we'd kind of hung out. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.479 But I remember feeling really awkward. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.840 I remember feeling like a lot of pressure, like even 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.200 the director was there, and she was like, it's really 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.159 important you guys get along, like whatever you need to do, 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:28.800 like to hang out to get a bond. And I 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.640 was like, I don't think this is but I don't 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.880 think we've got it like an immediate We're not clicking, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.520 Like it's feeling a bit awkward, and I think it 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.360 was just a pressure that we were feeling. And then yeah, 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.080 and I remember Danny being like they left the producers 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:41.399 and they were like, so you guys, like if you 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.080 want to keep hanging out right now, like that would 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.160 be good, and Danny was like, oh, maybe we should 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.560 like go to the aquarium or something, and I was like, 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.520 oh my god, this is this is a disaster, like 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.320 and I was like, am I that boring that she 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.280 thinks we need to like do an activity like what? 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.440 And then but then we had like we had dinner 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.879 together for the first time, and once it was just 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.719 us and we just sort of like it was nervous 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.520 though it was like a blind date almost like we 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.199 had to get along. We knew that there was this 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.040 pressure that the show wasn't going to work unless week. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.679 Really it were like we got along. We knew we 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:12.920 were going to be like filming all day every day together. 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:14.840 And then we just kind of once we just had 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.960 a few cocktails and a roast, the conversation flowed. 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.920 We bonded over skin care and hair and. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.480 Like it like you had a girly chat. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.600 Yeah, and then we and then from there we just 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.640 grew and grew, like the bond just grew and grew 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:33.360 and grew, and we became really really intertwined and bonded 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.439 like we were under so much pressure as well that 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.840 we really helped each other and were each other's kind 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.720 of support person as well through it all. And and 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:47.040 then because we just had that natural connection things like 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:52.000 physical affection and hugging or linking arms or stuff that 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.639 you see on screen. That was really natural because I 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.560 did always we always did want to kind of hug 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.120 each other and hold each other's hands and the eye 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.119 contact and that can like we had so many in 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:02.679 jokes that you know, we could look at each other 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.359 and have all that kind of cheeky twinkle in the 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.280 eye stuff. So it all came really naturally, which was 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.600 such a blessing as an actor because it meant that 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.000 we weren't having to act that connection. It was just 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:13.800 inherently there and it was just one thing that it 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.359 was like set and forget. Don't have to worry about that, 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.720 just figure out everything else. So yeah, I was really 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.640 lucky that we got along to it and we talked 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.680 like all the time, and I see her every week and. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.439 She did my nails. She's a whiz at all things 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:25.879 she can do. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.680 Those are good nails. I can confirm for people the 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.160 podcast this. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.040 Is like she lac She's amazing, Like. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.399 It's amazing craft. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:35.639 Yeah, she's incredible. 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:37.960 I can imagine that the language that the two of 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.320 you had created in your in real world, like in 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.959 catching up and before filming, continued into the script because 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.440 I guess there'd be times we might improvise a little bit. 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.320 But is this show a little bit like in See 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.360 No Man? In a sense like that whay you two 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.119 have sort of turned up from this world in the 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:55.880 eighteen hundreds, Like, is that a bit. 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.640 I don't want? And See No Man is I'm terrible with. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.520 Oh it was a nine his comedy with Brendan Fraser. 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.359 I think it is is like a like a warlock, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.720 like a man. You know, it's thought out in the 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.480 nineties and then basically, you know, comedy ensues because it's 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.439 you know, fish out of water, where I felt like 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.200 with the two of you, it's kind of a little 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.120 bit like you guys are from present day turning up 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.800 and sort of absorbing this environment. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:27.520 I think that we're definitely like, it's definitely fish out 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.160 of Water story, and it's definitely the audience are seeing 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.040 dead Horse Gap the town through our eyes. We're the 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.080 inn for the audience. And as much as we're pretty outrageous, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.040 the characters around us are even more kind of heightened, 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.480 and so it is kind of us receiving and responding 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:42.800 and reacting to that world around us. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.679 But this was my big thing, like is it time travel? 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.159 Like why do we know those words? Why do we 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:48.040 know those references? 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:52.120 But we're definitely from that time period, and it's more 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.760 that we are we just happen to have, you know, 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:59.040 an innate understanding of social politics and kind of we're 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.240 just ahead of our time in that sense. But there 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.359 probably were people like there are always people who were 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:04.920 a bit ahead of their time in that in that way, 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.000 and so that was the kind of mentality that I 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.159 went into it with, was like, I'm not Gert hasn't 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.160 grown up in twenty twenty three Australia and then gone 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.399 back to eighteen fifty three Goldfields. She's she's just a 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:22.040 bit more empathetic and aware of things and socially. 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.400 Aware, but she's still getting those words like hype girl, hard, 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.399 launch of a relationship. The characters are sex positive, you 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.040 guys are looking out for red flags, so you know, 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.719 it is still very current in that language that you know, 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.719 it's good that you've explained that because I'm not at 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.199 the end of the series, but I was thinking not 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.000 be hard to believe that all of a sudden, I 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:42.800 you know, it flashes back to you guys getting out 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:43.840 of a time machine, you know. 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.719 Totally totally Yeah, No, that's and that was like a 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:51.000 big thing for me because I'm I'm so literal about 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.000 things like as an actor, I can't play something less. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.600 I don't understand it really fully. So I've had a 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:57.679 lot of conversations with Jack Raw's like explain this to me, 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.480 but it was just I guess it's just to sort 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.360 of suspend his belief in that sense and just kind 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:03.960 of go with it that. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:05.880 Yeah, we know all those references. 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.040 Like we didn't do things that we didn't do, references 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.480 that were like we did things like your hype girl 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:11.159 hard Launch. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:12.840 I think we said like F Boy. 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.880 And stuff, but we were careful to not run reference 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.480 like Beyonce or some something like very much cemented. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.479 In reality, terms are always there though, you know, it's 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.600 interesting there would have been terms used in a way 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.080 about that kind of behavior. You know. I was only 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.240 talking about this the other day when I was watching 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.280 F Boy Island and my best friend I'm talking about it. 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.080 We were like, oh, well, like F Boy, it's new, 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.200 but we're like, no, they were called a player when 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:40.800 we were growing up. Do you know what I mean 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.439 so like if it was the f boy is now 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.600 you know you formally called a player. I'm sure there 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.679 would have been something of a term like this about 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:49.359 men in it. 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.760 I looked up see this is my notebook, this is 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.320 all my research and stuff. There was like there were 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:59.919 definite words for that for men. Source box was like 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.399 pie hole. I don't know, they just had like if 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.359 you were depressed, you got the MORBs, like there was 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:07.399 there was words for of course, who was a good friend. 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.280 It was just it was just interesting, like there was oh, 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:15.320 dirty puzzle was nasty plant. So it was all like, 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:16.920 you know, they had words then as well. 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:18.920 And I was like, Jack, let's get these references in. 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.360 Let's bring them back. No, but they're too obscure. 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.560 I thinks, of course they're too obscure. I mean, this 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.560 is the magic of this show is that it has 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.440 been updated like that. Do you know what I mean? 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:29.040 Yeah. 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:31.600 I want to ask you as well about the where 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.160 it was filmed. I was getting some really strong Movie 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.239 World vibes from when I went to Movie World as 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.000 a child, and I don't know when the last time 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.000 I went back there. Was it filmed at Movie World? 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.160 No, it was filmed at a place called Porcupine Village. 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:45.520 Oh where is that. 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:49.040 It's in a town called Malden, which is ah and 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.000 a half out of Melbourne. It's near like Ballarat and 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:52.240 Castle Maine. 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.720 Like so Sovereign Hill type place, Thorren. 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.280 Hill type place. Yeah. It was built in the nineties 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:57.600 as a tourist town. 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.480 Uh huh regitration and then it wasn't news for ten 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.000 twenty years and then someone bought it. 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.400 So the producers saw the ad on real estate dot 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.800 Com and kind of swooped in the like can we 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:09.560 hire this? And it's being done up. 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.199 I think it's going to open soon, but it's going 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:12.760 to be done up for like it's being done for 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.240 wedding venues. And there's a pub there that's like the 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.640 world's smallest pub that can only seat five Like. 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.440 Oh great, it's like this cool town. 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:22.720 But it was awesome. 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:24.920 We like went there and it was like thirty buildings 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.320 that were all like period accurate, and it was amazing 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:29.119 to kind of just be able to like really immerse 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.399 yourself in the world and pretend you're really back in 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:32.000 time like that. 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.320 I don't mean to judge these people, but people who 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.160 get like have those theme weddings gives me the ick, 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:38.800 just like I know. 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:40.960 When they were like, we've done five weddings this year, 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:41.159 I was. 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:42.919 Like, weddings what who? 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.879 What? What are they wear? It's like not my people. 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:46.280 No. 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:48.040 At the bar, I was like, this. 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:49.600 Is oh, yes, yeah bar. 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.360 Yeah, but no, I mean whatever floats your boat. 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.480 There's also some amazing recognizable faces in this cast. We 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.720 mentioned Eddie Perfect before, but there's like Heather Mitchell, Lincoln 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.800 Uni There's just so many exciting faces. I mean there's 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:04.520 a lot of new people as well, which I thought 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:08.000 was great. But were you excited to work alongside you know, 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.119 like Heather Mitchell, she's like acting Royalty for Australia. You know, 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.800 were you excited to work alongside those sorts of people? Yeah? 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:15.720 It was so exciting. 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.959 Like every time they cast a new character, I was like, oh, perfect, 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:20.480 I love them. And some of the people I had 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:24.120 worked with before, like Brandon McClelland, who plays Lenny the 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.359 police officer. He and I had played husband and wife 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:27.080 in a play before. 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.560 I was also going to say, you know, that scene 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:33.359 with Lincoln Unice is so sexy, so we have to 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.159 unpack that because I'm obviously a creep. Did you find 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.879 him as a bushranger very sexy whilst you were filming? 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:43.800 When you refer to the scene, is that like in 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:44.400 the bedroom. 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:47.600 In the bedroom, I mean the chemistry when you first 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.280 meet in the bar is also very electric. I was like, 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.679 you know, I was believing that the sparks were flying. 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.719 I mean, it's hard for the two of you not 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:58.960 to find each other attractive. I'm sure in the real world. 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:05.160 But this scene that's in the bedroom is is sexy, funny, hilarious. 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.960 There's different roles that we haven't seen, men and women 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.879 playing in the bedroom, which was hilarious. Like, I just 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.000 wanted to know what it seemed like. You must have 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:14.960 had a lot of fun shooting it. 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:15.840 We did so. 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.359 Link is a really really dear friend, so when he 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.800 was cast, I was like, amazing, Like we're so comfortable together. 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.440 But also like it's like kissing your brother. 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:26.680 So I was like, I think this is for the best, 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.760 this is good will we like we get it, We've 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:31.159 got a communication like this is great, but also like 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:33.560 and I was talking to my partner about it, who's 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:36.240 also friends with Lincoln, I was like, it's gonna be weird. 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.320 It's gonna be weird today, Today's day, it's gonna happen. 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.000 But you know, on set, you play it cool and 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.120 you're like, yeah, I'm thinking, like hold it for two beats, 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:47.119 come out, that's the thing. But we worked with Amy Kita, 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:48.879 our intimacy coordinator, who was amazing. 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:50.639 So she talks through. 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:56.399 Everything in a really clear, breaks it down mechanical ways. 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.439 So even like the first kiss with Lincoln, she demonstrated 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.480 to me on a pot how to kind of come 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.760 up and use Lincolm like a pole and like demonstrated 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:06.720 what kind of kiss on her hands, so like it 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.280 was completely spelled out for me, so that I knew 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.840 exactly what to do, he knew exactly what to expect. 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.399 And the scene where we were mucking around in the bed, 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.960 I think we threw around a few ideas the day 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.520 before and we kind of because he flew in from Sydney, 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.440 we didn't have any time to rehearse, so we just 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:24.920 kind of had a chat about what would be funny 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.119 in terms of images, and the aim was always to 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:28.960 go for the comedy, and I think we kind of 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.520 just trusted that the sexual chemistry would just kind of 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:33.920 be there, just by the natural. 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.720 It is all there, everyone's bits are all in the 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.400 right place. It's very funny and very sexy. 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.760 Great great, well, yeah, I know, like the day onset 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:44.720 when he had his top off, some of the women 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:45.960 in the crew were very excited. 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.480 They were like it was like it. 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:52.200 Was International Women's Day. And she was like, oh, well, 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.080 we got a gift on International Women's Day for me 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:56.600 And I was like, I don't think that's how it works. 0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:00.000 I guess my friend we're talking about. But anyway, yeah, 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:01.720 I'm glad it works. But yeah, it was just a 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:03.960 lot of kind of like having fun. And then yeah, 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:05.520 we just we just walked around. We didn't get too 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:07.320 many takes at each thing. Some most of it we 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.000 just did one take of each kind. 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.040 Of yeah right vignette. 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:12.639 But I'm glad it all comes together. 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.159 If not for anything, please watch the show just to 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.600 watch that it go okay. I think it's thirty five 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.480 seconds thirty five seconds of joy. 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:25.280 When your partner walked in and you were like see. 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.840 Yeah. So for the people listening to the podcast, we 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.840 were talking about this before, and I feel like I 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:32.760 should bring this part of the story in because it 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:36.880 is quite funny. But we had been watching Hijacked, which 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:41.320 has it was his an Alba ddress album Dress Albert 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.120 and he's it's not out yet, it's coming out on 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.200 Apple Plus. Very good, don't promote show on a different 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:50.280 network anyway, very serious hijack, thriller, drama. And then after 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.800 we watched that, I straight away put on this show 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.640 and so I'm like, okay, so gold Digger is a 0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.200 bit different in theme, and so my partner after about 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.640 five minutes just said, not for me, We're not watching this. 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.640 Turn it off. So anyway, we turned it off, and 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.120 then I came back to it and revisited and watched 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:10.000 three episodes in the first sitting. All together seen six 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.080 episodes and I just was like, it's amazing. This show 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.280 is so funny and you've missed out and you're going 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.400 to have to watch it, but please watch this scene 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.400 with Lincoln Unis. And he watched that scene and he 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.000 was like, I think the show is for me. I 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:26.080 feel very feel, very silly that I set this one 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:30.360 out and will you watch it again? Absolutely awesome. But 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:32.320 he also had seen you in other things, so we'd 0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.080 seen Class of seven, well Mania north Shore. I'm also 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:39.120 watching the PM's Daughter season two at the moment. So 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:44.120 you're absolutely killing it and very fast becoming a household 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.160 name because of all of these shows, which we sort 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.280 of talked a little bit about before. But you know, 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.200 you had been doing theater for such a long time. 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.840 How did you find this transition from you know, the 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.000 work that you're doing in theater to now being a 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:58.040 television actress. 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.480 I think for me, like you know, when I graduated 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.920 from from WAPO in twenty ten, I was twenty, and 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.600 I was like, you know, you think you're going to 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.240 be the exception to the rule. You're told like, no 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:11.960 one's gonna make it one person in out of twenty 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:12.640 and you think. 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.000 Like, I'm gonna be different. I'm going to go to them. 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:14.880 I'm gonna be amazing. 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.360 And for me, it just did not happen in that way. 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.920 Like I just every year it was like more theater. 0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.200 Couldn't get my foot in the door with screen, like 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.280 I did the odd screen job, but it was just 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:25.760 like all right, I just kept doing theater, and then 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.080 I started doing voiceovers and that was kind of supplemented 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.280 my income, so I stopped having to kind of do 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.760 six casual jobs to pay the rent, and I just 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.240 kind of kept I guess in terms of it's almost 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.440 like an apprenticeship. I just kept having the opportunity to 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:41.280 play different characters, work with different actors, directors, on different 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.960 scripts and genres, and so for yeah, twelve years, I 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.080 was just kind of like earning my stripes in that way. 0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.880 And so then when Class of seven came along that audition, 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.040 I was just I think I was just more confident 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.240 in myself as an actor and as a person. I'd 0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.160 also gone through during COVID I just wanted to quit 0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.160 acting completely. I was just like, I'm done with this. 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:03.600 I can't I don't want to do this anymore. So 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.040 i'd also kind of taking a step back. So when 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.480 the Class seven audition came through, I was like, this 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.880 is really good. I really love this. Like I haven't 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.640 seen anything like this in my whole career that I've 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.000 wanted this much, So I kind of threw everything at it. 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.920 And then I think from there, I don't know what happened, 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.720 whether my confidence was up as an actor, or whether 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.760 the industry suddenly we're like, oh, she's done that, so 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:24.200 we can give her a chance on this. And then 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.520 that kind of snowballed because I think I've always been 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.160 I don't think I'm necessarily a much better actor than 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.680 I was, you know, ten years ago. But I just 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:35.880 think maybe my confidence, my maturity, maybe even just my 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.640 face matches my personality or something. And now it's all 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:39.160 kind of. 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.800 A lot finally caught up. You're finally I'm trying to 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.160 still catch up with grow into my nose. But yeah, 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.080 I think, yeah, you've finally grown into the person I 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.480 think that you always had. It's kind of like those 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:51.719 women that are trying to get pregnant, though, and they 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.480 almost give up and then they get pregnant. It's like that, 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.520 and that's kind of the industry in a way. You 0:31:57.560 --> 0:31:59.920 can be extraordinarily talented, you can have all of the 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.719 tools and you can do the job, but it just 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.200 takes a little bit of luck, chance and circumstance to 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.880 get that one job. And then, because you were always amazing, 0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:11.760 other roles then come out. And so I think this 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.760 is a I think this is a really exciting period 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:15.440 for you now because you'd be like, well, I've come 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.840 from theater to television, that I'll be making movies in 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:19.600 America and that's the plan. 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.480 Yeah, yeah, I think it's like and that's the thing 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.960 is like, even though I may have thought when I 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.520 was twenty two that I was ready to be the 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.480 leader of an ABC comedy, I know so much more 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.960 now that I think feel like I'm the most ready 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.600 obviously to take on these opportunities. Like I feel like 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.360 everything I've learned has led me to this point and 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.600 I'm bringing so much of that those experiences, so that 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.320 when I did rock up on setain and I was 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:44.840 number one on the call sheet for the first time, 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.920 I wasn't daunted by it. I was like, Okay, I know, 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.280 you know, it was even all those jobs that led 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.040 to gold diggets that in the last eighteen months of 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:53.200 screen jobs, it was sort of like five on the 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.480 call sheet and then six, but I was on every day, 0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:59.280 you know, like just like different experiences to mean that. Yeah, 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.360 when by the time and it finally was like this 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:03.560 this is you now, I was like, okay, yeah, I 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:03.960 can do this. 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:05.960 I'm just like, you know, what I think is really 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.440 interesting is we always think, like when you want something 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.280 really badly, you're in your head a lot thinking about 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.560 what you think people want from you. So there's this 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.440 barrier that you've created for yourself because you're not being 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.600 your authentic self. You're not giving them the best of 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.640 you because you're so busy telling yourself that, oh no, 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.520 they oh no, they want this from me. Do you 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.840 know what I mean? And that's happened to me before. 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.680 I'm this is a different industry. But like I remember, 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:32.800 I was so desperate after the first season of Big 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:34.160 Brother that I was like, I want to be on 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:36.960 Big Brother. And so then I auditioned for the show 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.120 and they liked it, but I never got cast, and 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.200 I auditioned like probably four times before I got on it. 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.480 But the thing that was really interesting about it was 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.400 through every audition prior to the one that I got on, 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.800 I always was the first. I was too young in 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:52.600 my early twenties. I was like, oh, I have to 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:54.880 be like Sarah Marie, you know, And so I was 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.760 mimicking other people's behaviors and trying to be everybody else 0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:00.600 but myself. I was trying to give them what I 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.600 thought they wanted, and that sort of continued throughout the 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:05.880 audition process over the years. But by the time I 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.200 got on, I literally turned up and was like, I'm 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.480 a mess. This is who I am, you know, and 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.719 then it worked totally. You could be like, oh, I'm 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.520 an actress, I need to be blonde or I need 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.319 to be this, and you try and fit into these 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.640 molds and the moment you throw the hair dye away 0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:23.719 and go fuck it, you know, I'm just going to 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:24.759 be me, you get the job. 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:26.240 Yeah, that's exactly what happened. 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:29.040 I kept my hair blonde for seven years, I think 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.600 because I'd been told that would make me more appealing. 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.000 Kept my hair long, like was terrified to cut it. 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.799 All these things that you're trying to be what you 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.759 think an industry wants, and really you're just appealing to 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:40.960 like TV executives. 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:41.600 That's why, you know. 0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:43.680 I was like trying to be more I guess sexually 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.880 appealing in that way, like with the blonde thing. Yeah, totally, 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.960 I was trying to be something else. And you can 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:51.840 see like I went when I watched my old self tapes, 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.920 like there's just a discomfort in my own skin because 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:58.360 I'm not confident in I'm I'm just self critical and 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.560 questioning everything. And yeah, I think because I decided, I 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.240 was like why I need this? You know, I'm actually 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.000 happy just during COVID. I was just doing watercolor painting 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.520 and I was like, this is great, I can just 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:08.839 do this. 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:11.520 It meant to me this, yeah. 0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.799 Yeah, it meant that I didn't Yeah, I didn't need it. 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.200 And I and I think, particularly with gold Diggers, like 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.160 I went in with that for that callback of like you. 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.200 Would be lucky to have me. 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:24.680 You passed this up, which is you know, not healthy maybe, 0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:26.680 but I think it made an impression. 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:28.799 I think as well. My dad once said to me, 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.279 what's inside your head at any given time is what 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.319 people will read from you, you know what I mean, 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.520 And so if you can't shake it from your head, 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.799 like he told me this because he'd always want me 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.640 to smile authentically for photos. This sounds so weird, but 0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.600 whenever my dad wants to be in a photo, you know, 0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.080 stand there on you know, at the zoo with this 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.040 animal behind you and smile and we'd be like as kids, 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.319 and he'd be like, you know that. No, He's like, 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:56.000 when you're in the photo, think about something fun and positive, 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.480 because he wanted that to be emulated. And that actually 0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.760 stayed with me because it is very true that background 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:03.319 voice that we have in the back of our head 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.600 is what we're projecting at all times, even if you're 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.080 acting totally Yeah, you've got to store that in the 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:09.920 back of it, you know. 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:10.400 Yeah. 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.319 I actually had the experience of being a reader for 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.680 many years in auditions so for casting directors, and that 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.719 was so insightful to me because you learn so much 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.880 about what that what that first impression is when you 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:23.960 walk through the door, how you greet people. And I 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:27.359 also I used to notice when we audition kids, they 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.319 just they were just like you'd be like, how it's 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.239 going to be like, yeah, fine, like I'm just doing 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.040 this after school and then I'm going to go like 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.400 Mum will buy me afternoon tea? Like they didn't. They 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.640 had no investment. And because of that, like you were 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.479 like you leant in and then you'd have I noticed 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:40.839 a real. 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:41.360 Difference with the. 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:46.319 New dads in their forties who'd come in on their 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.800 lunch breaks and that kind of desperation that they needed 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.240 it because they obviously had a new family to support. 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.960 I just that was the demographic that I really noticed 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.440 that that desperation as much as they like would try 0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:00.480 and be like how are you going like and it 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.600 it was just you're just this air of kind of 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:07.200 like need that. Yeah, really resonated, So I always. 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:08.919 Kind of no one likes a needy and no one 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.560 likes a needy straight white male. I mean no, no, 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.480 no one needs a need cat either. I'm looking after 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:16.120 my friend's cat at the moment, So no one likes 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:17.600 anyone that's needy. Just no. 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:18.960 And you notice as. 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.279 Well, people hang around too much after the audition to 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.360 chat and then they try and shake yourone's hand, and 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.640 that I'm always like out the door. 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:30.080 Yeah, cheers, bye, thanks very much. What's the replay? Yeah? Yeah, 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.680 you what you need, give me the job. What I 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.160 thought was also could also have sort of come into 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.000 a line with you, is that we're seeing a lot 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.680 of these left of center ideas on television, you know, 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.240 that are a little bit different to that normal basic 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.759 storyline formula that we've seen on TV for a really 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:48.240 long time. Maybe your comic genius or maybe your style 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.399 is suiting this more left of center, like, yes, we're 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.400 telling a story that's quite familiar, but let's throw the 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.760 main character out as this and make it something crazy, 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.440 you know what I mean. And I think that happening 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.000 more and more. Maybe with streaming services, we're allowed to 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.960 tell broader stories. Had you noticed that as well, that 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:09.640 we're now telling stories on television that are probably your 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.360 basic story type but just flipping it and making it bonkers. 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:14.400 Yeah, I think I've definitely that. 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.920 I've never thought of it like that, Like I think 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.360 I think you might be right in that. Yeah, I 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.319 guess there's more of an appetite for quirkier comedy or 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.120 a bit different in terms of classifs. And that was 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.440 high concept comedy, like I think comedy does seem to 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:34.880 be my niche and character comedy and offbeat or yeah, 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.319 just a bit like off center. But yeah, I just 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.880 think because of the boom of TV, with all these 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.320 different streaming services and production companies, there's just so much 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:49.200 more funding for different stories from different people with different experiences. 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:53.160 And yeah, the different writers obviously bring. 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.920 Their experiences and that leads to writing characters that are 0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.920 different and interesting. So I've definitely noticed. I mean, when 0:38:59.920 --> 0:39:02.360 I graduated, like I remember, you'd I auditioned for like 0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:05.040 there'd be a place to call home, doctor, doctor, Like 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.759 there'd be a Channel nine drama, Channel ten drama, Like 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:11.560 it was a telemovie under belly, Like it was sort 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:15.200 of very straight in that way, and I think I 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.439 think in trying to fit into that, I I don't 0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.000 think I do that any better than anyone. Like I'm 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.760 you know, as an actress, like you do the lines, 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.000 you cry a bit, and that you look good in 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:27.800 address or whatever, And I think I don't. 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.440 I don't do that particularly well or better than anyone. 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.560 But I think with calmed like because I have an 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.279 appetite for that and I really have a passion for 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:37.960 kind of making things as interesting and detailed as possible. 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:38.919 I think that's where I started. 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.120 I've started to be able to kind of stand out 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:43.080 in that way to be able to get those opportunities. 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:45.239 So yeah, I think, yeah, I hadn't thought about that, 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:46.560 but I think there's definitely. 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.200 I'm trying to think in doctor, doctor, who you would 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.439 have auditioned for? You know, you're not. Actually someone told 0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.040 me this the other day. You're not allowed to tell 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.360 actors don't like telling people roles they're bone for that 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:57.799 they haven't got. Is that a true thing? 0:39:58.200 --> 0:39:58.359 Oh? 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.120 No, I tell everyone I audition for Home and Away. 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.200 When I graduated for like, I went for like seven 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.960 different roles. I got all for all of them. Like 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:07.960 I went I figured out over seven years, I went 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:09.080 in twenty three times. 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:10.839 Oh my gosh, I just never. 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.640 I like auditioned with Steve Peacock, like for three different roles, 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:16.160 and I just never got And I was just like. 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:17.560 He's like this girl again. 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:19.160 Yeah, And I was like. 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:20.759 In my agent remember being like, it's not a matter 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.600 of if, but when, and it just never. I've never 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:24.680 been on Home and Away, but no doctor doctor. I 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:29.280 went for Danielle's role, and I also went for Shalom 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:31.600 Brune Franklin's role, the Irish. 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.839 Nurse, and then I never I never got either of them, 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:35.880 didn't get them. 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:37.520 Didn't get them. But that was when I did. 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.600 I got Hide and Seek, which shot at the same time, 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:41.719 which was a crime thriller, which I thought was going 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.680 to be my big break when I was twenty six, 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.920 I was like a detective with Matt Nabel and Sara 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:47.480 and didn't. 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:48.560 That did not get renewed. 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:50.880 Yeah, hard though, because some shows are really good. I 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:53.640 mean I can't Hide and Siks I can't hasn't stayed 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.560 in my zeitglist. But sometimes shows can be very good 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.520 and not get a serial, Like some of my favorite 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.919 series never got a series two so my so called 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.439 life with Claire Danes was like one of the best 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.760 TV series ever, and you know, there's more at play 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.080 than just whether or not that's found an audience, you 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.640 know what I mean totally. I feel like, you know, 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.520 with gold Diggers. I hope there's a season two. Do 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:15.640 we know if there's a season two? 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:16.040 No? 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.880 I mean I've signed options so hopefully, but I no 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:21.959 idea until the airs, I guess, yeah, but. 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.440 I hope that this show gets a season two. I 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.279 can see this show evolving, and I think there's a 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.480 lot to unpack in this show. It's not just a 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:31.799 one joke. It's not a one trick pony with what 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.600 it's trying to do, so hopefully we get more. My 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:38.560 last question, though, is what is something from behind the scenes, 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.560 something that we won't see that's kind of a bit like, 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.880 you know, a behind the scenes secret of gold Diggers. 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.040 I knew you're gonna ask this because I listened to 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:48.719 some of your episodes. I have two. 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:53.160 The first one is the horses were incredible, and they 0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.040 were like, you know how they take like horses into 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.280 nursing homes to like make people happy. 0:41:57.640 --> 0:41:59.439 When we'd be on set a night they'd be like, Claire, 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:00.640 we need to ever hear we get it? 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:00.920 I go. 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:02.799 Can I please just go pack the horse for a sec? 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:05.960 So we loved I would just go and then we 0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:08.480 were obsessed with them. There was Rainy with the swishy 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.400 tail and Horruce and we just go and pat them 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.240 and that was really lovely. And one time a horse 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.680 farted during a long it's really funny. But my other 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.799 one is that what you wouldn't know is that Danny L. 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:25.319 Walkie is incredibly competitive and we were always racing each 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.520 other to be the first into the chair for makeup, 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:29.239 the first out of the chair, first on to set. 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:33.160 But she's not really acted before, so I was sort 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.359 of teaching her some acting tricks and I taught her 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:36.680 to cry on cue. 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.880 Oh wow, and how did you do that? Can we 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.040 do that? Can we do some improv right now? Perhaps? 0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:46.239 I mean it's if you I can't. It's sort of 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.160 like doing this. 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:50.799 It's sort of like people people can't watch this. It's 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:52.760 a podcast podcast. 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.360 It's just sort of like you you just think, I 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:56.840 don't know, it's like a breath thing and like you 0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.520 think about your eyes and anyway you can kind of see. 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:01.560 So I taught Danny how to do. 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.680 That, and then she got really competitive and we would 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:06.759 have for fun when we weren't acting, we would have 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.240 competitions to see who could get a tear rolling first, 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.160 and she was always she was. 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.200 Really funny that as you were doing that, I started 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.879 to get tears in my own eyes. That's not from 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:18.600 your training. I just felt. I just looked at your 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:21.880 your face while you were crying and was so believable. 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:25.960 But like, oh, there you go. So yeah, and I 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:27.920 was like, don't beat me. You can't be better to 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:29.280 meet my own craft. 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:30.959 I taught you this game. 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.040 Yeah, And she's really and she would and we're making comedy. 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.360 So they'd be like, okay, guys, we're getting ready to 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:37.799 roll that. We're gonna do a funny scene. And we'd 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:41.120 both be like turning, like facing a wall and like 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:42.719 you guys reading me, like both turn around and be crying. 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:43.520 But what are you doing? 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.160 You've ruined it? What are you two doing? Claire? So 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.759 amazing to have this chat with you, very funny, very insightful, 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.279 spilt a lot of tea on everything, which I thought 0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:59.520 was great. I hope people have really enjoyed it. But yeah, 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:01.399 thank you so much for taking the time to chat 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:02.879 with me today. It's been a lot of fun.