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Speaker 1: We also have been talking quite a bit about the

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Speaker 1: Elfresco dining fees. You would have heard us talking to

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Speaker 1: Gertrude from Marsh a little earlier this morning. Now joining

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Speaker 1: bit more about those outdoor dining fees is Sam from

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Speaker 1: Little Miss Korea. Good morning to you, Sam.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good morning. How are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Really well. Now, we were talking to Gertrude Night

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier this morning about the Elfresco dining

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Speaker 1: fees and you know, I guess those discussions about whether

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Speaker 1: they could be reduced in Palmerston. As I understand it,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to reintroduce dining fees, those outdoor Elfresco

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Speaker 1: dining fees. Sam. You guys have got a number of

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Speaker 1: tables outdoors, don't you at Little Miss Korea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've got we're permitted to have ten tables

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Speaker 2: and forty chairs. As is quite a unique situation because

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Speaker 2: we're not allowed to have tables and chairs on the

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Speaker 2: footpath that we can in the evening from five o'clock

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Speaker 2: on the road in the loading base. So it's quite

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Speaker 2: challenging for us at time to actually be able to

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Speaker 2: get tables and chairs outside there's cars park, they're already

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Speaker 2: but we're still expected to pay the increased rates as well.

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Speaker 2: For example, Saturday night, we couldn't set up outside because

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Speaker 2: there was three cars park there, but the rangers will

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Speaker 2: not come out and book those cars even though it's

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Speaker 2: illegal to park after five along as the lane, because

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Speaker 2: they've knocked off for the night.

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Speaker 1: You're joking. So then you're still having to pay the

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Speaker 1: fees for those parks though, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the same price as everybody else. I

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Speaker 2: think our prices are too high obviously in the schedule

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Speaker 2: of prices in every other state. I mean, Brisbane's the

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Speaker 2: most expensive. But you know we're all we're very different

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Speaker 2: to Bristol area. Yeah, very differently unique, and you know

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Speaker 2: we're still expected to pay for an outdoor dining area.

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Speaker 2: That is quite bizarre setup, but that's what it is. Yeah, Sam,

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Speaker 2: are you able.

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Speaker 1: To tell us you know how much it costs per

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Speaker 1: year or it's okay if you don't want to say,

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Speaker 1: but you know, to give listeners a bit of an idea,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's one hundred and fifteen dollars per square meter

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Speaker 2: and we have around fifty three square meters I think

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Speaker 2: it is, yeah, but differently again we I think I

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Speaker 2: haven't had it in writing yet, but I'm quite sure

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Speaker 2: the characters are in agreeance of letting us pay for

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Speaker 2: the time that we actually utilize the area, which is

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Speaker 2: good for us. But as I said, as I've just explained,

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Speaker 2: it's very bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. Well, it makes it hard, makes it

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Speaker 1: really bloody hard. And with that one hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 1: dollars per square meter, Like what period of time is

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Speaker 1: that for? Is that over the course.

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Speaker 2: Of a week season the draft, that's one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifteen per squad? It is per anim over the Yeah

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Speaker 2: right were meter? Yep? Yes, So I mean you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes we can set up half that we sometimes we

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Speaker 1: My goodness.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's quite bizarre. I mean, as they say, only

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Speaker 2: in Darwen we can put tables and chairs on the road,

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Speaker 2: but not on the foot path.

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Speaker 1: It is weird. And then when you think about, you know,

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Speaker 1: having to wait for those cars to move, it'll be

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Speaker 1: a bloody nightmare some days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, might I say we get a bit cranky at time?

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Speaker 1: I reckon you would now tell me those same because

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Speaker 1: you guys. You know that little laneway is one of

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Speaker 1: the areas that's been activated beautifully. What did you think

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Speaker 1: of the government, And we'll both tears of government and

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Speaker 1: indeed the Council coming out with the announcement yesterday with

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Speaker 1: this action plan sort of aiming to coordinate some of

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Speaker 1: the existing and future work in several different laneways around

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Speaker 1: the Darwin CBD.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's great for Darwin having the cool,

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Speaker 2: little funky laneways. And when we moved in eight years

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Speaker 2: ago now it was a bit of a Darren extreme.

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Speaker 2: So it looks amazing what the council have done. The

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does look so good and it is you know,

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Speaker 1: you almost feel like you're somewhere else when you walk

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Speaker 1: It seems like it's a great thing.

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Speaker 2: It is a great thing. But you know we're paying

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Speaker 2: for it now, aren't we.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, and that's the thing I suppose in

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Speaker 1: terms of those fees. So do you reckon the council?

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Speaker 1: Do they need to review this fees system or do

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Speaker 2: Of them, well, preferably get rid of them, but reviewing

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Speaker 2: would be the next best option. I mean, it is

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Speaker 2: pretty quiet in dah and now and we're trying our

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Speaker 2: best everybody to you know, to make it a really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sam, I understand because you've got a business

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Speaker 1: in Adelaide as well, don't you. So do you have

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Speaker 1: al Fresco Do you have a similar situation there? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did.

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Speaker 2: We've got a designated area so we can We've not

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Speaker 2: unlike that when we have a designated area where we

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Speaker 2: put twenty four seats out and six chairs and that's

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Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days of the year and

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Speaker 2: we pay less than five hundred dollars for the entire year.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, is that in the CBD or where is

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Speaker 1: that for.

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Speaker 2: In Halifax Street? So it is in the CBD.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is really interesting. So you're paying less to

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Speaker 1: have Elfresco dining in Adelaide than what you are here. Yep.

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Speaker 2: And that's every day of the year we put table

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Speaker 2: on chairs.

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Speaker 1: Out and not we can and not having to wait

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Speaker 1: for anyone to move their cars either.

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Speaker 2: No, no cranky Sam, Yes.

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Speaker 1: That is really interesting. I really appreciate that perspective because

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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting for people to sort of

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Speaker 1: understand the way that it's happening in other places as well.

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Speaker 2: I have put up signs, but that's it's a well,

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Speaker 2: it's a loading baby, because we understand that during the

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Speaker 2: day it's the loading bay in Darwen, that we need

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Speaker 2: to have that area for the trucks because I think

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Speaker 2: it's the most used delivery area in Darwin. But there's

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Speaker 2: signs up saying that five o'clock can't park there, but

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Speaker 2: who reads them?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing and once other people, once

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Speaker 1: other people have sort of parked there as well, or

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Speaker 1: the time people think oh yeah, I must be all

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Speaker 1: right to park there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if they've had a big man night, they're

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Speaker 2: not before them and Friday and it's still there still

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Speaker 2: some days we can't move it.

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Speaker 1: Oh that is that makes things really difficult. Well, Sam,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you having a chat with us this

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Speaker 1: morning and having a bit of a chat to us

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Speaker 1: about those El Fresco dining fees.

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Speaker 2: No worries.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much,