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Speaker 3: You need to start again, you need to say, I mean,
Speaker 3: we just lost fifty percent of the listeners.
Speaker 2: No, no, we haven't. No, we haven't, Jelly, because we're
Speaker 2: going to a decider.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm taking it.
Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to too Good Sports. It sports news
Speaker 3: told differently. I'm haby Jermy and Georgie Tunney is off ahead.
Speaker 3: I've lost my mind because we wrote them off. They're
Speaker 3: flat track bullies over in the West, usually the Blues,
Speaker 3: but the Morons have done it. They've forced a decider
Speaker 3: in state of origin DCE out Tommy did and in
Speaker 3: who knows if that was why they did it. But
Speaker 3: my god, also Western Australia sought your weather out.
Speaker 2: Oh I can't, I can't tell me, for this is
Speaker 2: a bit of a spoiler to our chat ahead, dear listeners.
Speaker 2: But I have concocted an axis of evil from the
Speaker 2: night and an axis of good from the night, and
Speaker 2: we'll see where Perth weather falls in that later on,
Speaker 2: but before we kick off our origin chat, we have
Speaker 2: so much other sport to talk to you about as well.
Speaker 3: Good sport, bad sport. Tell me what have you got
Speaker 3: for us? So this is a little bit belated because
Speaker 3: I don't know. We had the Prime Minister on the
Speaker 3: podcast last week, so I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 3: talk about my good sport bad sport.
Speaker 4: Then also elbow massive good sport listeners. He was here
Speaker 4: for two hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really was.
Speaker 3: And if you listen back to the EPP you can
Speaker 3: tell where Georgie and I are like, we really need
Speaker 3: to move this on, and he keeps going, keeps going,
Speaker 3: and we only want to move it on because we're
Speaker 3: very aware that I don't know, if you haven't seen
Speaker 3: him in the last couple of weeks, he's been brushed
Speaker 3: by Trump, there's been different things going on in his life.
Speaker 3: We were like, he's been and he was the one
Speaker 3: that was like, no, have we got more to chat about?
Speaker 3: Let me let me about gi. Yeah, continue chat was
Speaker 3: even warmer.
Speaker 4: He tried to find videos of himself kicking a Sharon.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right for us to enjoy and Albo
Speaker 1: come back.
Speaker 2: We'll see him find him.
Speaker 4: Definitely, he's a friend of the pod. Honest he's a
Speaker 4: friend of the pod.
Speaker 3: But something that we unfortunately did have to glaze over
Speaker 3: because Ah needed to give the PM ample times was
Speaker 3: the French Open and what was unbelievable results in two parts. Firstly,
Speaker 3: the men's final, Yes, was one of the greater games
Speaker 3: of tennis that you'll ever see. As much as I
Speaker 3: don't know about the dubious drug sing, I love Yannick Sinner.
Speaker 2: It's hard not to like him because he's a runway model.
Speaker 3: Jelmy, it's because he looks like he modeled for Berbury
Speaker 3: in the early two thousands.
Speaker 1: No, it's honestly's Eddie Redman life.
Speaker 3: He is the opposite of Arena Sabolenka in that he
Speaker 3: is so humble when he loses. Yes, and again, if
Speaker 3: you squint at Corlos Alcarez, you're like, oh, still.
Speaker 2: A Spaniard winning on clay? Is that hello? Hello Dahl?
Speaker 4: Is that you?
Speaker 3: But I love the stat that they were literally the
Speaker 3: exact same age to the day as when Nadahle won
Speaker 3: his fifth Grand Slam, as when Alcoraz one to the
Speaker 3: day to the day, and again, I love tennis people
Speaker 3: because they're nuffies and they find these things out. I mean,
Speaker 3: who even knows that? So firstly Alcaraz or Sinner.
Speaker 2: Oh al Choraz. Actually I do quite like Sinner. But
Speaker 2: in terms of watching I have had the pleasure of
Speaker 2: watching both of those athletes on court in the stands,
Speaker 2: and Yannick's just a little bit boring because he's so good,
Speaker 2: like he's so good and he like he just but he.
Speaker 1: He's very lark.
Speaker 4: He's very long limbed, very.
Speaker 2: Long limbs, so I'm never seeing any volleys. I'm never
Speaker 2: really seeing him straight like Alcaz because he gets his
Speaker 2: arms out. I was actually with you and you're like, wow,
Speaker 2: guilty enjoy he's running around, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit more high stakes. There's a bit
Speaker 2: of we really enjoy it. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with that. So yeah, I am team Alcoraz.
Speaker 3: Neither of those my good sports okay, but sorry. My
Speaker 3: good sport though, is cocoa gol And this is why
Speaker 3: we love her. So did you know this? This is
Speaker 3: leaning into fun fact territory. The trophy they hold up
Speaker 3: at the French Open and that they kiss and all
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 4: They don't get to keep what. Let's I just want
Speaker 4: to fridge joke in or rolling garows. And this is
Speaker 4: a trophy that you guys see, the one that we
Speaker 4: teake pitchers with, depressed with and all that. But actually,
Speaker 4: if you don't get to take this home, this stays
Speaker 4: with the tournament. And I'm gonna show you, guys the
Speaker 4: one can take home.
Speaker 2: It's a lot smaller. So that's just the one we
Speaker 2: take home.
Speaker 4: It's like many replica of the triphy. And yeah, I
Speaker 4: guess to compare.
Speaker 2: It's really small.
Speaker 5: Reference She's put it next to a bottle of water
Speaker 5: and it's all like small. Sorry, I've got distracted by
Speaker 5: the private She's just casually on a paj which of
Speaker 5: calls you.
Speaker 6: Are like, so they may count with the trophy. Tennis players,
Speaker 6: they kiss it lot, they look it, they do all
Speaker 6: the things they have to give it back. Sorry, who's
Speaker 6: licking and never.
Speaker 4: Try it with a coffee cut again.
Speaker 3: She's on a private jet, so I don't feel so
Speaker 3: sorry for her, and the fact that she's chosen to
Speaker 3: film this on the private jet also sliding scale.
Speaker 2: But I'm with you in good sport territory because Coco
Speaker 2: is showing us what life is like as one of
Speaker 2: the athletes. This is the next gen, this is what
Speaker 2: they do and this I adore her for it. She also,
Speaker 2: fun fact, forgot all of her rackets in the first
Speaker 2: game of that tournament.
Speaker 4: You had to remember that. She walked unto the court
Speaker 4: and is like, ah, God, damn it, this.
Speaker 2: Bag is empty. I didn't bring any rackets.
Speaker 4: Guys, help help me. Do you know who wouldn't do that?
Speaker 3: Alchoriz because he counts them five times and put them
Speaker 3: into numerical order.
Speaker 4: But how's that?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's amazing. And also this wasn't planned,
Speaker 2: but my good sport bad sport for this week is
Speaker 2: a little bit of both. And it's also tennis related.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, god, we're just absolutely telepathic. So from the
Speaker 2: French Open, we moved to the US Open, and the
Speaker 2: US Open is doing something new with its doubles draw,
Speaker 2: and that is essentially making it more palatable to the
Speaker 2: casual tennis fan. They're making it shorter, and they're opening
Speaker 2: up the qualification of who is deemed to be a
Speaker 2: doubles pairing, so it's going to be based on your
Speaker 2: singles ranking. So just let that sink in because there
Speaker 2: are professional doubles players who singles ranking not so good,
Speaker 2: So there's going to be a cap for.
Speaker 4: That, which at one point was ASHPARTI by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So the reigning champions in the women's doubles
Speaker 2: of the US Open, based on their singles ranking technically
Speaker 2: may not even qualify for the doubles draw of this
Speaker 2: year's tournament because their singles ranking is so low. But
Speaker 2: they won the doubles last year, if that makes sense. However,
Speaker 2: as a sports says Koreas doubles players, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: So as a sports lover, I think it's a bad sport.
Speaker 2: As a tennis fan, there's talk of one of the
Speaker 2: pairents being an aaomia saka and.
Speaker 3: Curious, which also you want to pick two pole of
Speaker 3: personalities like I'm just here because I love tennis, okay,
Speaker 3: and Nick's like fuck everyone?
Speaker 2: So how does that actually is that tennis? What I'm
Speaker 2: here in my basketball shorts?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's both good sport and bad sport, because
Speaker 3: I do think all sports are looking at how they
Speaker 3: can be more palatable to an audience, i e.
Speaker 4: Trying to do their T twenty version.
Speaker 2: They are, and they're changing this game. They're not going
Speaker 2: to advantage points, They're making their actual sets shorter. It's
Speaker 2: a it's going to be rapid fire.
Speaker 3: Ten And if you've ever gone to tennis, especially at
Speaker 3: night session, and been like it is three am, the
Speaker 3: players look tired. Everything about this needs to be quicker
Speaker 3: that actually checks out. I mean, I I can't wait
Speaker 3: to watch. I love the US Open anyway. I think
Speaker 3: the crowd are awesome. There's always someone sculling something.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and there's always a fight the celebrity, the
Speaker 2: tennis player and someone in the crowd.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. And the celebrity spotting is I'm I mean
Speaker 3: you don't. I mean I like the wimbled and fashion
Speaker 3: like I love watching how To Cratic. Everyone goes to
Speaker 3: have their strawberry and cream. But we love the US
Speaker 3: Open and it's just one of those slams that, for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, I think it just is a bit rock star.
Speaker 4: And it sounds like they're trying to make the doubles
Speaker 4: match it.
Speaker 2: A little bit rockstar. The performance of the Queensland Maroons.
Speaker 4: There it is.
Speaker 2: And by that I mean at times poetic, at times,
Speaker 2: our stresses we get into it.
Speaker 7: Next it means a lot ah to be able to
Speaker 7: captain this team and walk out, sorry run out with
Speaker 7: his team and the obviously the pressure and and all
Speaker 7: the criticism that Billy Slater's been getting for us and
Speaker 7: we're this guyd We played for him tonight. He deserves everything.
Speaker 7: He loves Queensland, loves his group and I'm as proud
Speaker 7: of our boys to turn up for him because there's
Speaker 7: been a lot of speculations in media and we need
Speaker 7: to turn up for our coach to nine and we
Speaker 7: fucking did.
Speaker 2: Wefen did Yes. That was the Queensland skipper, Cameron Munster
Speaker 2: in his first match as the Queensland skipper and he's
Speaker 2: got one hundred percent success right and he was Player
Speaker 2: of the match. Well done sir.
Speaker 3: He also done one hundred percent success rate at swearing
Speaker 3: in the postmatch as captain. Tell me you're not used
Speaker 3: to making a captain address without telling me. It's one
Speaker 3: of you boomed out over the stadium and you drop
Speaker 3: an FM.
Speaker 2: It's one of I mean, we're going to go on
Speaker 2: a tangent already de listener, but it's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite things. When you compare like a rugby league Grand
Speaker 2: final and an Ossie rules Grand Final and you do
Speaker 2: the lap of honor with whatever team has won. You've
Speaker 2: got that poor reporter there being like how many times
Speaker 2: am I just going to have to ignore the fact
Speaker 2: that you have sworn on national television and in rugby
Speaker 2: league it's literally every second word in Ossie rules you
Speaker 2: might get one and.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, like, sorry, didn't me do?
Speaker 2: Sorry? But yes origin two we are off to a
Speaker 2: decider twenty six points to twenty four Queensland over New
Speaker 2: South Wales, and I tell you what, I lost years
Speaker 2: of my life.
Speaker 4: They decided just not to score.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Jeremy sent me in teggs halfway through
Speaker 2: the first half, which.
Speaker 6: Was nobody make any sudden movements because we've been here,
Speaker 6: except it was the Broncos, and I literally said to you,
Speaker 6: I'm like, well this is done, congratulations.
Speaker 3: Next minute the Panthers decided to panther and when Nathan
Speaker 3: Clear is involved, you just never know. You just never
Speaker 3: And they were coming Georgie, but they're kicking game.
Speaker 4: Let them down again.
Speaker 1: Oh I score more tries and lose.
Speaker 2: What a fantastic segue by you, Because I did tease
Speaker 2: at the start of this podcast. I had an access
Speaker 2: of evil and an access of good. Now this is
Speaker 2: obviously through the eyes of a one eyed Queensland are
Speaker 2: so my access of evil? Number one? The Bunker, what
Speaker 2: are you doing that decision late in the game, which
Speaker 2: nearly cost the Morons the win of Kayl and Ponger
Speaker 2: knocking on which it wasn't the ball went backwards?
Speaker 4: Are you blind? Are you blind? Bunker? You're on the list.
Speaker 2: That's number one another axis. Angus Crichton and Stephen Crichton.
Speaker 2: You're great players. I've had enough of you. Stop being
Speaker 2: so good for your South Wales. Okay, access ofero point
Speaker 2: three Perth weather, tell me what was happening?
Speaker 3: People think that Perth is sunshine all the time. When
Speaker 3: it rains, it buckets.
Speaker 2: I will say though, for this fifty seven thousand people
Speaker 2: that were there to watch in horrific conditions like it
Speaker 2: would have tested my allegiance to even day night. I
Speaker 2: was like, this is desired, I'm going to even see.
Speaker 2: But the spectacle itself was great, like this was a
Speaker 2: thrilling origin game.
Speaker 4: This speaks more largely to my opinion about sport.
Speaker 3: It starts so goddamn late, Oh my god, and AFL
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 4: Seen and this is lifting behind the veil. So two
Speaker 4: good sports listeners. If you could keep it between us,
Speaker 4: that'd be awesome. I haven't seen the end of a
Speaker 4: football match this year.
Speaker 3: Last night included. I have small children that wake up
Speaker 3: at all hours. If I get to nine o'clock, I'm like,
Speaker 3: the eye starts drooping. I start going like, I actually
Speaker 3: AFL goes for four hundred hours.
Speaker 2: It does, it really does.
Speaker 3: And then last night, obviously because it's of the time difference,
Speaker 3: they don't start until eight o'clock. Wolf Mother's playing and
Speaker 3: I'm like, this should be the second half. I'm so tired.
Speaker 2: Where is that and where is the stated?
Speaker 1: Someone someone begin I know, I know, it is late.
Speaker 2: It is really really late, and especially for those spectacle
Speaker 2: pieces like even the NRAL.
Speaker 1: Finals together later and later and later and later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is difficult. It is totally difficult. And for them,
Speaker 2: though at least in Perth it was earlier. Yeah technically
Speaker 2: so maybe that's why they had such a good turnout.
Speaker 2: But it I think as an advertisement for the game,
Speaker 2: it was a good one for rugby league. I think
Speaker 2: it passed. I think it passed, which brings me to
Speaker 2: my axis of good in the twenty six to twenty
Speaker 2: four point victory for the Maroons.
Speaker 1: Nathan Cleary's dodgy hamstring.
Speaker 3: I was good, and yet he still had that beauty
Speaker 3: full try or he ducked and weaved.
Speaker 4: I was awake for that.
Speaker 2: He was taking off him. He can find space though,
Speaker 2: Oh he can find space. That was like a little
Speaker 2: warning bellot. I thought, it's.
Speaker 1: Happening again, and you're also taking do you know who
Speaker 1: you shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Let's sneak up on you Nathan Clary.
Speaker 2: Honestly, because he was injured. Is the only way that
Speaker 2: the Queensland Morons did not lose that in those final moments, because.
Speaker 4: You didn't win, you didn't lose.
Speaker 2: We didn't lose. We held on. We held on because
Speaker 2: Nathan Cleary's hams. To everyone's like, do you actually think
Speaker 2: he's injured? I was like, can you see the full
Speaker 2: layers of strapping on that right hamstring. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: just putting it out there that I think maybe it's
Speaker 2: a bit tight, and that is a great thing for
Speaker 2: Queensland fans. My other access point in the axis of good,
Speaker 2: the kicking hex continues. So from game one, Nathan Cleary
Speaker 2: could not kick anything. Zach Lomax came in kicked a couple,
Speaker 2: but they have not been able to convert their tries.
Speaker 2: That continued last night. You were right, Jelmy.
Speaker 1: New South Wales scored five triest the year four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something they really do need to look at
Speaker 2: because it cost them the game last night. And then
Speaker 2: my other access point, Tommy did and he had to
Speaker 2: be put in as the halfback. Billy Slader has copped
Speaker 2: a lot of criticism about that, the dumping of the
Speaker 2: Queensland captain daily Cherry Evans. Tommy did and repaid that
Speaker 2: play last night. He was very, very good, very strong.
Speaker 2: I'm excited for the next years that we will see
Speaker 2: him in the Morons.
Speaker 3: Jesse, and you mentioned the fact that DC was dropped,
Speaker 3: and I think this began what was not unprecedented, but
Speaker 3: a continuation of the.
Speaker 4: Criticism that we saw leveled at Billy Slater.
Speaker 3: And what I do know about Queenslanders is their parochial
Speaker 3: and they're used to winning Georgia.
Speaker 4: Is that fair? That's a fair statement, very fair. So
Speaker 4: they're going in an unusual.
Speaker 3: Form slump and by that I mean they might have
Speaker 3: lost three in a row. What I heard of that
Speaker 3: gets you sacked, though he does get so all of
Speaker 3: a sudden there is this pressure cooker of comments and
Speaker 3: it's almost like who can say the most outlandish thing
Speaker 3: and who can make the biggest headline. And that's when
Speaker 3: we saw a former Blues champion and Aaron Woods come
Speaker 3: out in the media and use a particular term that
Speaker 3: I have to be said, it's used in sporting circles
Speaker 3: more than it is anywhere else, and it's personal because
Speaker 3: you can't come out and call someone a grub without
Speaker 3: making comment on who they are. And this was the
Speaker 3: hot take that then blew up in the NRL circles.
Speaker 4: Let's have a listen.
Speaker 8: You watch these blokes up north and they say they
Speaker 8: don't get it, we don't get origin, and they use
Speaker 8: this pick and stick mentality. Well, really, you've just turned
Speaker 8: on your skipper. I want to see the real Billys
Speaker 8: later come out the grub that we know of, because
Speaker 8: this is a bloke had they got six weeks suspension
Speaker 8: of luck at over.
Speaker 2: Someone.
Speaker 8: Oh he's such a nice bloke. Well mate, you've lost.
Speaker 8: You won your first two series as coach, you've lost
Speaker 8: last series. You picked the side that we all expecting.
Speaker 8: So I was win thirteen plus luckily thee didn't play well.
Speaker 8: You go on in another game if you lose this
Speaker 8: second series, is that meaning going to get sacked because
Speaker 8: Kevin Wald's got sacked up the two series losses and
Speaker 8: he only coached for Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean that's personal. Yes, there's no there's no other
Speaker 4: way to look at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think so, and you are
Speaker 1: right Jellmy.
Speaker 2: I mean I like Aaron woods He was an excellent
Speaker 2: stalwart for the New South Wales Blues and the West
Speaker 2: Tigers and the Canterbury Bulldogs during his playing career. But
Speaker 2: part of your role when you are a commentator and
Speaker 2: get we feel this pressure as well, is to make
Speaker 2: pretty strong statements to get traction and to get eyes
Speaker 2: on you and to get followers and to build the
Speaker 2: narrative around certain games. So Woodsy has completely lent in there.
Speaker 2: Did he cross the line?
Speaker 3: I think so? And I think you and I we
Speaker 3: play in this world. I'm primarily a sports commentator. You
Speaker 3: obviously we work in sport here, but obviously you work
Speaker 3: across other things as well. And I think we are
Speaker 3: seeing more more than ever because of the saturation in
Speaker 3: the marks of people having hot takes on sport, this
Speaker 3: need to one up or be better. And also I
Speaker 3: would say having a lens across American sport. You've got
Speaker 3: Steven a Smith who's literally at war with Lebrones and
Speaker 3: the two of them are talking about the fact that
Speaker 3: they would have a punch up and that's all adds
Speaker 3: to the fodder. So I think there's this idea that
Speaker 3: you can be antagonistic and there's no limit on where
Speaker 3: that can be. We've seen that Caine Corns was actually
Speaker 3: banned from the North Melbourne rooms and seven weren't allowed
Speaker 3: in the room's pregame or post game, which I will
Speaker 3: be on the record. From what I've met of Caine personally,
Speaker 3: he's only ever been delightful to me. I know that
Speaker 3: he works really hard and consumes more footy than anyone.
Speaker 3: But what he said about Harry Sheesel essentially stats padding
Speaker 3: and he called it sheaesel ball. Once you start applying
Speaker 3: personal nicknames to things like grub or sheaesel ball, it
Speaker 3: does become immensely personal, and so it gets to a
Speaker 3: point where it's like you're just doing your job, but
Speaker 3: you're being unkind doing it, and there are going to
Speaker 3: be repercussions for that.
Speaker 2: And I think those repercussions sometimes aren't they're not your intention,
Speaker 2: but regardless of that, they kind of become your responsibility
Speaker 2: because you have said that, right, Like we don't know.
Speaker 2: Like grub for me is a word that I toss
Speaker 2: around at the television all the time. It's watching rugby league.
Speaker 2: You say grub writting rugby league? Yeah, watching is it
Speaker 2: a rugby league? Because I've never said grub in our
Speaker 2: In our podcast with Ryan Hoffman, I was like, Queens
Speaker 2: Eye needs more grub, like we the sentiment of.
Speaker 4: I use the term grub.
Speaker 3: I was watching the line kicks and it was Simon
Speaker 3: and Pumba looking for some grub. Because I've never thought
Speaker 3: about it in any I'm trying to think, I'm like
Speaker 3: grub when would I ever?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, they're going to rustle up some grub and.
Speaker 6: You know how they're very see that they look like
Speaker 6: that is the only reference because grub isn't necessarily an
Speaker 6: AFL T.
Speaker 2: It's a very rugby league term, right, but there's a
Speaker 2: way in which it is used. I use it as
Speaker 2: a compliment a lot of times, Like I was calling
Speaker 2: for Queensland to be grubby going into the second game
Speaker 2: versus the first because I didn't say I didn't see
Speaker 2: them showing enough mungrel. Yeah, they didn't have that. They
Speaker 2: were missing that little bit of fight where it goes
Speaker 2: into different territory there with Woodsy is you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily know what's going on with Billy Slater right now.
Speaker 2: Billy's taken personal issue with that term, because you're right,
Speaker 2: it's the pressure cooker. It's just the pressure that keeps
Speaker 2: amping up.
Speaker 3: And there was a gap between the statement there by
Speaker 3: Aaron Woods and what Billy Slater says here, and so
Speaker 3: Billy Slater has had time to consider this response, and
Speaker 3: I think you can tell that in what he says.
Speaker 3: Let's have a bit of a listen to what Billy
Speaker 3: Slater says when he was asked about these comments.
Speaker 5: Billy, you've been called a grunt by Aaron Woods.
Speaker 9: Were you surprised by that?
Speaker 10: And how did you will see it?
Speaker 11: When you hold a position in the media in our game,
Speaker 11: I feel that's a privilege and with that privilege comes
Speaker 11: a responsibility. I sit in that position most weeks, and
Speaker 11: you amplify your voice to millions of people, you're not
Speaker 11: talking to your mates in the public.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 11: I know Aaron Woods. I actually ran into him about
Speaker 11: three or four weeks ago at a footy game and
Speaker 11: he didn't voice that opinion. Then he actually brought his
Speaker 11: son over to introduce him to me. When you degrade
Speaker 11: someone personally in a derogatory manner, you probably don't deserve
Speaker 11: one of those privileged positions that you were all in.
Speaker 11: That we're all in. You don't know what people are
Speaker 11: going through, and although I might be able to handle it,
Speaker 11: the next person mightn't be. Maybe our last coach didn't.
Speaker 11: I believe the character of a person is judged more
Speaker 11: on what they say about people and how they treat
Speaker 11: people than what an individual says to create attention about someone.
Speaker 2: Strong words there, emotional words from Billy Slater. He does
Speaker 2: make mention there to former Queensland State of Origin coach
Speaker 2: Paul Green, who was a legend of rugby league who
Speaker 2: died by suicide a couple of years ago, was suffering
Speaker 2: with CT Now Billy has come out since making that
Speaker 2: statement and apologize because he didn't mean to draw the
Speaker 2: connection between Paul Green's death and potentially poor mental health
Speaker 2: based on negative comments in the media. He's made that apology.
Speaker 2: Paul Green's family has accepted that. Yes, so we're going
Speaker 2: to leave that there. But what that statement from Billy,
Speaker 2: it's very strong, very strong, and I think he's well
Speaker 2: within his rights to make those comments and make that
Speaker 2: response to Woodsy. I mean, we're seeing if you are
Speaker 2: going to say something and have your hot take, you
Speaker 2: need to be able to take the response to.
Speaker 3: And also, for whatever reason, and you and I have
Speaker 3: both witnessed this, there's this weird phenomenon that happens with
Speaker 3: some people where they will say to a camera something
Speaker 3: they would never say if the person was present, Yes,
Speaker 3: which for me feels like such a weird phenomenon because
Speaker 3: not only that person's normally going to hear, millions of
Speaker 3: others might like it's weird that you would be more
Speaker 3: las a fair when talking to such an audience, and
Speaker 3: perhaps it's because they don't connect with I often find
Speaker 3: people get more nervous in a room of a thousand
Speaker 3: people than talking down a barrel where there'll be a
Speaker 3: million there. Yes, Like there's a different energy about it,
Speaker 3: and you watch your words differently. So that's a bit
Speaker 3: that got meet the fact that he's like, well, he
Speaker 3: obviously doesn't think I'm a grub, to the point where
Speaker 3: he goes and gets his son yes and says, come
Speaker 3: and meet the great Billy Slater. And I think the
Speaker 3: other thing is he took on everyone's favorite song.
Speaker 4: Everyone loves Billy Slater.
Speaker 2: It's true. It's very very true, including new South Welshman
Speaker 2: like friend of the Pot Ryan Hoffman. I mean, he
Speaker 2: was very, very obvious on the pod about how much
Speaker 2: he loves Billy Slater. In light of his former teammate
Speaker 2: Aaron Woods's comments, he took to Instagram and said, I
Speaker 2: get it, it's origin and being a blue we hate Queensland,
Speaker 2: but this is a rubbish take by Woodsey. One hundred
Speaker 2: percent question Bill selections his tactics, et cetera, but call
Speaker 2: on mc grubb is just rubbish clickbait.
Speaker 3: Billy's later it was also in his bridal party. There's
Speaker 3: probably that later you're taken on one of mine.
Speaker 4: I wear blue, but he's my own. But you still
Speaker 4: can't take on Billy.
Speaker 3: And I think so I post I re shared that
Speaker 3: clip of Billy because I deeply feel that if you
Speaker 3: are going to be a media exactly what he said
Speaker 3: there's a responsibility and a privilege to it where you,
Speaker 3: I think, need to permeate a way that you hope
Speaker 3: your kids would talk. Yeah, in the same way that
Speaker 3: we say to athletes, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 3: people look up to you, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 3: kids in particular, but people consume the way that you talk.
Speaker 3: And there is a way that you can be critical
Speaker 3: and very strong in your criticism, but not be personal
Speaker 3: and unkind.
Speaker 13: Yes.
Speaker 3: And I feel like the personal and unkind is the
Speaker 3: ones that blow up. It's that shock jock factor.
Speaker 2: It's also driven by the media as well, though Billy
Speaker 2: is only saying that because he's been directly asked the media.
Speaker 2: He's not there calling that press conference here he had
Speaker 2: to take on Aaron.
Speaker 3: You're telling me Channel seven don't love Cane Corns for
Speaker 3: taking hot takes. Yes, that's why he's in that pass.
Speaker 3: But that's why they have a job as well. Exactly,
Speaker 3: they are doing their job. Yeah, and we see that
Speaker 3: on a larger scale again, used terms shock jock. There's
Speaker 3: a million faces that come to mind that have done
Speaker 3: so well in media by having those extreme takes. And
Speaker 3: for mine, I'm like, I wonder how much you actually
Speaker 3: believe in your extreme take or you want to just
Speaker 3: lean into the caricatur.
Speaker 4: But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3: But I think in this circumstance, when we're talking about
Speaker 3: comments in sports media, there has to be a level
Speaker 3: of responsibility to it. And bizarrely this has all led
Speaker 3: to a galvanizing of the morons going. And you heard
Speaker 3: that there with Munster essentially going. You took on one
Speaker 3: of ours and so I wanted to play for my coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And he had wonderful words to say in
Speaker 2: the post match press conference backing that up.
Speaker 10: Okay, I've heard you interviewed after the game on the fields,
Speaker 10: but quite emotionally, we have doing it for a billion
Speaker 10: sort of the what he's made to the last forty
Speaker 10: eight hours and the pressure have the last few games.
Speaker 10: What do it means to you played with him being
Speaker 10: coached by him? How much did that galvanize the team?
Speaker 12: Yeah, when we've got jabs or blokes in the media,
Speaker 12: having got your coach and like, at the end of
Speaker 12: the day, he's he's our coach and he's done everything
Speaker 12: he can and tick the boxes for us, and we
Speaker 12: didn't perform for him in Game one and he got
Speaker 12: a lot of sluck for it and a lot of
Speaker 12: stuff in the media, and he didn't deserve it. And
Speaker 12: I played with Bill, he's a champion player and champion coach.
Speaker 12: And when I've had a great relationship with him and
Speaker 12: still do and we're better, like we're probably almost really
Speaker 12: close mates. And when you have someone Javinati like that,
Speaker 12: it really hurts. It hurts me personally, and I'm never
Speaker 12: tell him that, but now I'm probably telling him now,
Speaker 12: and I love him.
Speaker 8: And what does it mean to hear that belly that
Speaker 8: support from teams?
Speaker 7: It has been an event for twenty four hours for you,
Speaker 7: like how they reconciled it.
Speaker 9: And he's ever said to me, no, like it, Like
Speaker 9: I don't know, Like I know the game, I'm in
Speaker 9: the game.
Speaker 4: I understand it.
Speaker 13: Sometimes you know, heeds to get pushed to the boundary,
Speaker 13: but like, like it hasn't it hasn't influenced how I
Speaker 13: look at myself and who I am as a person,
Speaker 13: Like I'm.
Speaker 2: Very comfortable question without notice before we wrap up, because
Speaker 2: we could talk at length even further about this. Do
Speaker 2: you think that the life of a shock jock and
Speaker 2: your success is a shock jock is predetermined by you
Speaker 2: being a man. I think it's also gendered one. We
Speaker 2: don't see very many women in this space anyway to
Speaker 2: be able to be afforded to have a hot take.
Speaker 2: But I think for us.
Speaker 4: Say that again, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think that there is not enough women in this industry
Speaker 2: that have the platform to be able to have these
Speaker 2: hot takes and have no repercussions.
Speaker 3: Are you implying that there's a sports entertainment network that
Speaker 3: don't have a single female host?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but all they do is talk about sport and
Speaker 4: not even on their overnight shift even their specialists in wine,
Speaker 4: which they have one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I say this, I love is ye and
Speaker 3: I listen all the time, but it blows my mind
Speaker 3: that there is not a single female host.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's also reason like even if.
Speaker 3: There was, because the vitriol that would come for them
Speaker 3: for having a hot take is so different than if
Speaker 3: it was a bloke.
Speaker 2: It's not you have to think of every single second
Speaker 2: of the day that you are broadcasting. This is the
Speaker 2: life that we live. It's me I could be here
Speaker 2: with a full critical analysis with PowerPoint slides about Nathan
Speaker 2: Cleary's left side step and I would get somebody, you
Speaker 2: don't even know the game? Did you even play? How
Speaker 2: would you know? I know, Like it's just I can't
Speaker 2: have hot takes because I'm not allowed to. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: is something that I think this conversation is also missing.
Speaker 2: You can build these narratives, you can have this whole
Speaker 2: whirlpool of vitriol and all of this potentially just putting
Speaker 2: it out there. If there were more female voices in here,
Speaker 2: we may not see such a fallout.
Speaker 3: My problem is I live in this space, but my
Speaker 3: want to keep my own peace and not deal with
Speaker 3: the vitriol that comes with having a hot take has
Speaker 3: mellowed me enormously, and that I love creating a platform
Speaker 3: for people like Ryan Hoffman to go off, but even
Speaker 3: if I enormously agree with him, I almost won't going
Speaker 3: hard afterwards unless it's in this format with you. Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I can be my earnest self
Speaker 3: still in sport without feeling like the ton of bricks
Speaker 3: will fall on you. So I do think there is
Speaker 3: definitely that gendered thing that blokes can go really harder
Speaker 3: on this and we can't because we never played the game,
Speaker 3: which they never say about Jared Whiteley.
Speaker 2: I can talk about Reyes Walsh getting his head chopped
Speaker 2: off in an Origin game and maybe probably not the
Speaker 2: best look when it comes to CTA and everything we're
Speaker 2: doing with concussion.
Speaker 4: Or decigning to get punched in the head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will have hundreds of comments being like,
Speaker 2: you don't even like rugby league? Sorry? What what?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 3: And the sad thing is we're still there, and I
Speaker 3: think it takes us to be more vocal about it.
Speaker 3: But that's why we've created this space. And the really
Speaker 3: nice thing for me is that we and for us
Speaker 3: is that we created two good sports because it's the
Speaker 3: space that we wished existed when we were getting into
Speaker 3: sports media. And by just being ourselves, of which I've
Speaker 3: directly had bosses tell me that I need to temper
Speaker 3: my interest to be more palatable to a male audience
Speaker 3: to be taken seriously.
Speaker 4: I e.
Speaker 3: If you post about fashion and makeup, no one's going
Speaker 3: to believe that you know anything about sport. Direct quote
Speaker 3: that a conversation that happened with me with a boss.
Speaker 3: We by just being ourselves get the Prime Minister to
Speaker 3: come in.
Speaker 4: That's right, because.
Speaker 3: There are people that I don't know their hobbies don't
Speaker 3: have to include golf and dark liquor in order to
Speaker 3: know anything about sport. And I think hopefully the audience
Speaker 3: is pivoting that way. But I think when you see
Speaker 3: these overt hot takes, you can have them and still
Speaker 3: be kind. And I think, dare I say it, there
Speaker 3: is a gendering where women are better at doing that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there is, there is, and they'll do it
Speaker 2: in a way and still be called dramatic. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: if you think that that could potentially be dramatic, let's
Speaker 2: just rewind every single grab that we have played on
Speaker 2: this episode.
Speaker 3: If women did this, it would be labeled to cat fight.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, cat fight between former play Imagine if
Speaker 3: this was the Tillies, oh.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, one hundred percent, it would be And look,
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily what this episode is about, but I
Speaker 2: think that it's a very very valid point that we raise, and.
Speaker 4: If we don't raise it, no one else will.
Speaker 2: No one else will, but Queensland heading to a decider.
Speaker 2: That is the takeaway?
Speaker 4: Is that the fun fact?
Speaker 2: No, oh my gosh, yes, fun fact. This is a
Speaker 2: complete deviation and I am so excited to hear well,
Speaker 2: really see your reaction to my fun fact, I've gone
Speaker 2: absolutely rogue, dear listener, in a surprise to no one. Okay,
Speaker 2: fun fact. Did you know that Locke Neil and I
Speaker 2: might be the same person? Have we been in the
Speaker 2: same room together? No? Not yet. We both love the
Speaker 2: Brisbane lines. Last time I checked, we both had multiple
Speaker 2: brand Loow medals to our name, and I've just found
Speaker 2: out we have the same pop culture icon' Locky favorite
Speaker 2: TV character of all time?
Speaker 8: Ash from Pokemon Peak a Pokemon guy.
Speaker 2: He goes, who is your favorite television character of all time?
Speaker 2: Without blinking, Locky Neil aka Georgie Tunney goes Ash from
Speaker 2: Pokemon Are you joking? No one will ever say that
Speaker 2: except for me. That's so true. No one would ever
Speaker 2: say that. What what Lucky Neil, sir? Come on the
Speaker 2: podcast or can you we're the same person? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Have you been here the whole time?
Speaker 4: HOWE come on?
Speaker 3: So arguably one of the greatest players to ever and
Speaker 3: to you know what, if not for Patrick Kipps getting
Speaker 3: off that high hit that then meant that he won
Speaker 3: a brown Low.
Speaker 4: He's a three time brown Low medalist.
Speaker 3: Locking Neil he's only one two, but he could have
Speaker 3: potentially won three. So one of the greatest players of
Speaker 3: all time. And your argument is you must be the
Speaker 3: same person because you'll like the same anime. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just really wanted to clear that up. Locking Neil
Speaker 3: and his partner Jules, who's a legend. I'm sure that
Speaker 3: we could get him on the pod.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to call it a hot take,
Speaker 2: I'm happy to.
Speaker 4: All Right, we're getting on him.
Speaker 1: Should we better go until next week?
Speaker 2: Be a great sport?
Speaker 5: Look at you