WEBVTT - Where Does Commentary End and Character Assassination Begin? 

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<v Speaker 1>Here at two Good Sports.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to start again, you need to say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we just lost fifty percent of the listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, we haven't. No, we haven't, Jelly, because we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to a decider.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I'm taking it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, and welcome to too Good Sports. It sports news

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<v Speaker 3>told differently. I'm haby Jermy and Georgie Tunney is off ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I've lost my mind because we wrote them off. They're

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<v Speaker 3>flat track bullies over in the West, usually the Blues,

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<v Speaker 3>but the Morons have done it. They've forced a decider

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<v Speaker 3>in state of origin DCE out Tommy did and in

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<v Speaker 3>who knows if that was why they did it. But

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<v Speaker 3>my god, also Western Australia sought your weather out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I can't, I can't tell me, for this is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a spoiler to our chat ahead, dear listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have concocted an axis of evil from the

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<v Speaker 2>night and an axis of good from the night, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see where Perth weather falls in that later on,

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<v Speaker 2>but before we kick off our origin chat, we have

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<v Speaker 2>so much other sport to talk to you about as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Good sport, bad sport. Tell me what have you got

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<v Speaker 3>for us? So this is a little bit belated because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. We had the Prime Minister on the

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<v Speaker 3>podcast last week, so I didn't get a chance to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about my good sport bad sport.

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<v Speaker 4>Then also elbow massive good sport listeners. He was here

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<v Speaker 4>for two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he really was.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you listen back to the EPP you can

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<v Speaker 3>tell where Georgie and I are like, we really need

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<v Speaker 3>to move this on, and he keeps going, keeps going,

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<v Speaker 3>and we only want to move it on because we're

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<v Speaker 3>very aware that I don't know, if you haven't seen

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<v Speaker 3>him in the last couple of weeks, he's been brushed

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<v Speaker 3>by Trump, there's been different things going on in his life.

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<v Speaker 3>We were like, he's been and he was the one

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<v Speaker 3>that was like, no, have we got more to chat about?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me let me about gi. Yeah, continue chat was

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<v Speaker 3>even warmer.

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<v Speaker 4>He tried to find videos of himself kicking a Sharon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right for us to enjoy and Albo

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<v Speaker 1>come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see him find him.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely, he's a friend of the pod. Honest he's a

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<v Speaker 4>friend of the pod.

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<v Speaker 3>But something that we unfortunately did have to glaze over

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<v Speaker 3>because Ah needed to give the PM ample times was

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<v Speaker 3>the French Open and what was unbelievable results in two parts. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 3>the men's final, Yes, was one of the greater games

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<v Speaker 3>of tennis that you'll ever see. As much as I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know about the dubious drug sing, I love Yannick Sinner.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard not to like him because he's a runway model.

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<v Speaker 3>Jelmy, it's because he looks like he modeled for Berbury

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<v Speaker 3>in the early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's honestly's Eddie Redman life.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the opposite of Arena Sabolenka in that he

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<v Speaker 3>is so humble when he loses. Yes, and again, if

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<v Speaker 3>you squint at Corlos Alcarez, you're like, oh, still.

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<v Speaker 2>A Spaniard winning on clay? Is that hello? Hello Dahl?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that you?

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<v Speaker 3>But I love the stat that they were literally the

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<v Speaker 3>exact same age to the day as when Nadahle won

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<v Speaker 3>his fifth Grand Slam, as when Alcoraz one to the

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<v Speaker 3>day to the day, and again, I love tennis people

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<v Speaker 3>because they're nuffies and they find these things out. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>who even knows that? So firstly Alcaraz or Sinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh al Choraz. Actually I do quite like Sinner. But

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of watching I have had the pleasure of

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<v Speaker 2>watching both of those athletes on court in the stands,

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<v Speaker 2>and Yannick's just a little bit boring because he's so good,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's so good and he like he just but he.

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<v Speaker 1>He's very lark.

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<v Speaker 4>He's very long limbed, very.

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<v Speaker 2>Long limbs, so I'm never seeing any volleys. I'm never

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<v Speaker 2>really seeing him straight like Alcaz because he gets his

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<v Speaker 2>arms out. I was actually with you and you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>guilty enjoy he's running around, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit more high stakes. There's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of we really enjoy it. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed with that. So yeah, I am team Alcoraz.

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<v Speaker 3>Neither of those my good sports okay, but sorry. My

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<v Speaker 3>good sport though, is cocoa gol And this is why

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<v Speaker 3>we love her. So did you know this? This is

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<v Speaker 3>leaning into fun fact territory. The trophy they hold up

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<v Speaker 3>at the French Open and that they kiss and all

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<v Speaker 3>of that.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't get to keep what. Let's I just want

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<v Speaker 4>to fridge joke in or rolling garows. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>a trophy that you guys see, the one that we

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<v Speaker 4>teake pitchers with, depressed with and all that. But actually,

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<v Speaker 4>if you don't get to take this home, this stays

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<v Speaker 4>with the tournament. And I'm gonna show you, guys the

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<v Speaker 4>one can take home.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot smaller. So that's just the one we

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<v Speaker 2>take home.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like many replica of the triphy. And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>guess to compare.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really small.

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<v Speaker 5>Reference She's put it next to a bottle of water

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<v Speaker 5>and it's all like small. Sorry, I've got distracted by

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<v Speaker 5>the private She's just casually on a paj which of

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<v Speaker 5>calls you.

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<v Speaker 6>Are like, so they may count with the trophy. Tennis players,

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<v Speaker 6>they kiss it lot, they look it, they do all

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<v Speaker 6>the things they have to give it back. Sorry, who's

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<v Speaker 6>licking and never.

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<v Speaker 4>Try it with a coffee cut again.

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<v Speaker 3>She's on a private jet, so I don't feel so

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<v Speaker 3>sorry for her, and the fact that she's chosen to

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<v Speaker 3>film this on the private jet also sliding scale.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm with you in good sport territory because Coco

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<v Speaker 2>is showing us what life is like as one of

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<v Speaker 2>the athletes. This is the next gen, this is what

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<v Speaker 2>they do and this I adore her for it. She also,

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<v Speaker 2>fun fact, forgot all of her rackets in the first

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<v Speaker 2>game of that tournament.

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<v Speaker 4>You had to remember that. She walked unto the court

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<v Speaker 4>and is like, ah, God, damn it, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Bag is empty. I didn't bring any rackets.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys, help help me. Do you know who wouldn't do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Alchoriz because he counts them five times and put them

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<v Speaker 3>into numerical order.

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<v Speaker 4>But how's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's amazing. And also this wasn't planned,

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<v Speaker 2>but my good sport bad sport for this week is

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of both. And it's also tennis related.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, god, we're just absolutely telepathic. So from the

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<v Speaker 2>French Open, we moved to the US Open, and the

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<v Speaker 2>US Open is doing something new with its doubles draw,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is essentially making it more palatable to the

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<v Speaker 2>casual tennis fan. They're making it shorter, and they're opening

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<v Speaker 2>up the qualification of who is deemed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>doubles pairing, so it's going to be based on your

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<v Speaker 2>singles ranking. So just let that sink in because there

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<v Speaker 2>are professional doubles players who singles ranking not so good,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's going to be a cap for.

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<v Speaker 4>That, which at one point was ASHPARTI by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, So the reigning champions in the women's doubles

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<v Speaker 2>of the US Open, based on their singles ranking technically

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<v Speaker 2>may not even qualify for the doubles draw of this

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<v Speaker 2>year's tournament because their singles ranking is so low. But

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<v Speaker 2>they won the doubles last year, if that makes sense. However,

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<v Speaker 2>as a sports says Koreas doubles players, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So as a sports lover, I think it's a bad sport.

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<v Speaker 2>As a tennis fan, there's talk of one of the

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<v Speaker 2>pairents being an aaomia saka and.

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<v Speaker 3>Curious, which also you want to pick two pole of

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<v Speaker 3>personalities like I'm just here because I love tennis, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and Nick's like fuck everyone?

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<v Speaker 2>So how does that actually is that tennis? What I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here in my basketball shorts?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's both good sport and bad sport, because

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<v Speaker 3>I do think all sports are looking at how they

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<v Speaker 3>can be more palatable to an audience, i e.

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<v Speaker 4>Trying to do their T twenty version.

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<v Speaker 2>They are, and they're changing this game. They're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to advantage points, They're making their actual sets shorter. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's going to be rapid fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten And if you've ever gone to tennis, especially at

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<v Speaker 3>night session, and been like it is three am, the

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<v Speaker 3>players look tired. Everything about this needs to be quicker

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<v Speaker 3>that actually checks out. I mean, I I can't wait

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<v Speaker 3>to watch. I love the US Open anyway. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd are awesome. There's always someone sculling something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and there's always a fight the celebrity, the

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<v Speaker 2>tennis player and someone in the crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing. And the celebrity spotting is I'm I mean

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<v Speaker 3>you don't. I mean I like the wimbled and fashion

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<v Speaker 3>like I love watching how To Cratic. Everyone goes to

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<v Speaker 3>have their strawberry and cream. But we love the US

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<v Speaker 3>Open and it's just one of those slams that, for

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<v Speaker 3>whatever reason, I think it just is a bit rock star.

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<v Speaker 4>And it sounds like they're trying to make the doubles

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<v Speaker 4>match it.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit rockstar. The performance of the Queensland Maroons.

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<v Speaker 4>There it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And by that I mean at times poetic, at times,

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<v Speaker 2>our stresses we get into it.

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<v Speaker 7>Next it means a lot ah to be able to

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<v Speaker 7>captain this team and walk out, sorry run out with

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<v Speaker 7>his team and the obviously the pressure and and all

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<v Speaker 7>the criticism that Billy Slater's been getting for us and

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<v Speaker 7>we're this guyd We played for him tonight. He deserves everything.

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<v Speaker 7>He loves Queensland, loves his group and I'm as proud

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<v Speaker 7>of our boys to turn up for him because there's

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<v Speaker 7>been a lot of speculations in media and we need

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<v Speaker 7>to turn up for our coach to nine and we

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<v Speaker 7>fucking did.

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<v Speaker 2>Wefen did Yes. That was the Queensland skipper, Cameron Munster

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<v Speaker 2>in his first match as the Queensland skipper and he's

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<v Speaker 2>got one hundred percent success right and he was Player

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<v Speaker 2>of the match. Well done sir.

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<v Speaker 3>He also done one hundred percent success rate at swearing

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<v Speaker 3>in the postmatch as captain. Tell me you're not used

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<v Speaker 3>to making a captain address without telling me. It's one

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<v Speaker 3>of you boomed out over the stadium and you drop

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<v Speaker 3>an FM.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of I mean, we're going to go on

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<v Speaker 2>a tangent already de listener, but it's one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite things. When you compare like a rugby league Grand

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<v Speaker 2>final and an Ossie rules Grand Final and you do

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<v Speaker 2>the lap of honor with whatever team has won. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got that poor reporter there being like how many times

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<v Speaker 2>am I just going to have to ignore the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you have sworn on national television and in rugby

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<v Speaker 2>league it's literally every second word in Ossie rules you

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<v Speaker 2>might get one and.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, well, like, sorry, didn't me do?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry? But yes origin two we are off to a

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<v Speaker 2>decider twenty six points to twenty four Queensland over New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales, and I tell you what, I lost years

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<v Speaker 2>of my life.

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<v Speaker 4>They decided just not to score.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. Jeremy sent me in teggs halfway through

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<v Speaker 2>the first half, which.

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<v Speaker 6>Was nobody make any sudden movements because we've been here,

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<v Speaker 6>except it was the Broncos, and I literally said to you,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, well this is done, congratulations.

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<v Speaker 3>Next minute the Panthers decided to panther and when Nathan

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<v Speaker 3>Clear is involved, you just never know. You just never

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<v Speaker 3>And they were coming Georgie, but they're kicking game.

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<v Speaker 4>Let them down again.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I score more tries and lose.

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<v Speaker 2>What a fantastic segue by you, Because I did tease

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<v Speaker 2>at the start of this podcast. I had an access

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<v Speaker 2>of evil and an access of good. Now this is

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<v Speaker 2>obviously through the eyes of a one eyed Queensland are

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<v Speaker 2>so my access of evil? Number one? The Bunker, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing that decision late in the game, which

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<v Speaker 2>nearly cost the Morons the win of Kayl and Ponger

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<v Speaker 2>knocking on which it wasn't the ball went backwards?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you blind? Are you blind? Bunker? You're on the list.

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<v Speaker 2>That's number one another axis. Angus Crichton and Stephen Crichton.

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<v Speaker 2>You're great players. I've had enough of you. Stop being

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<v Speaker 2>so good for your South Wales. Okay, access ofero point

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<v Speaker 2>three Perth weather, tell me what was happening?

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<v Speaker 3>People think that Perth is sunshine all the time. When

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<v Speaker 3>it rains, it buckets.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say though, for this fifty seven thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>that were there to watch in horrific conditions like it

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<v Speaker 2>would have tested my allegiance to even day night. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this is desired, I'm going to even see.

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<v Speaker 2>But the spectacle itself was great, like this was a

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<v Speaker 2>thrilling origin game.

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<v Speaker 4>This speaks more largely to my opinion about sport.

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<v Speaker 3>It starts so goddamn late, Oh my god, and AFL

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't.

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<v Speaker 4>Seen and this is lifting behind the veil. So two

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<v Speaker 4>good sports listeners. If you could keep it between us,

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<v Speaker 4>that'd be awesome. I haven't seen the end of a

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<v Speaker 4>football match this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Last night included. I have small children that wake up

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<v Speaker 3>at all hours. If I get to nine o'clock, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>the eye starts drooping. I start going like, I actually

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<v Speaker 3>AFL goes for four hundred hours.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, it really does.

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<v Speaker 3>And then last night, obviously because it's of the time difference,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't start until eight o'clock. Wolf Mother's playing and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this should be the second half. I'm so tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is that and where is the stated?

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<v Speaker 1>Someone someone begin I know, I know, it is late.

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<v Speaker 2>It is really really late, and especially for those spectacle

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<v Speaker 2>pieces like even the NRAL.

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<v Speaker 1>Finals together later and later and later and later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is difficult. It is totally difficult. And for them,

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<v Speaker 2>though at least in Perth it was earlier. Yeah technically

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe that's why they had such a good turnout.

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<v Speaker 2>But it I think as an advertisement for the game,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a good one for rugby league. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it passed. I think it passed, which brings me to

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<v Speaker 2>my axis of good in the twenty six to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four point victory for the Maroons.

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan Cleary's dodgy hamstring.

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<v Speaker 3>I was good, and yet he still had that beauty

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<v Speaker 3>full try or he ducked and weaved.

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<v Speaker 4>I was awake for that.

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<v Speaker 2>He was taking off him. He can find space though,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he can find space. That was like a little

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<v Speaker 2>warning bellot. I thought, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Happening again, and you're also taking do you know who

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's sneak up on you Nathan Clary.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, because he was injured. Is the only way that

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<v Speaker 2>the Queensland Morons did not lose that in those final moments, because.

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<v Speaker 4>You didn't win, you didn't lose.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't lose. We held on. We held on because

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Cleary's hams. To everyone's like, do you actually think

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<v Speaker 2>he's injured? I was like, can you see the full

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<v Speaker 2>layers of strapping on that right hamstring. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just putting it out there that I think maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit tight, and that is a great thing for

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland fans. My other access point in the axis of good,

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<v Speaker 2>the kicking hex continues. So from game one, Nathan Cleary

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<v Speaker 2>could not kick anything. Zach Lomax came in kicked a couple,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have not been able to convert their tries.

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<v Speaker 2>That continued last night. You were right, Jelmy.

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales scored five triest the year four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's something they really do need to look at

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<v Speaker 2>because it cost them the game last night. And then

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<v Speaker 2>my other access point, Tommy did and he had to

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<v Speaker 2>be put in as the halfback. Billy Slader has copped

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of criticism about that, the dumping of the

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland captain daily Cherry Evans. Tommy did and repaid that

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<v Speaker 2>play last night. He was very, very good, very strong.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited for the next years that we will see

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<v Speaker 2>him in the Morons.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesse, and you mentioned the fact that DC was dropped,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think this began what was not unprecedented, but

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<v Speaker 3>a continuation of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Criticism that we saw leveled at Billy Slater.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I do know about Queenslanders is their parochial

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<v Speaker 3>and they're used to winning Georgia.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that fair? That's a fair statement, very fair. So

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<v Speaker 4>they're going in an unusual.

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<v Speaker 3>Form slump and by that I mean they might have

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<v Speaker 3>lost three in a row. What I heard of that

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<v Speaker 3>gets you sacked, though he does get so all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden there is this pressure cooker of comments and

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost like who can say the most outlandish thing

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<v Speaker 3>and who can make the biggest headline. And that's when

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<v Speaker 3>we saw a former Blues champion and Aaron Woods come

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<v Speaker 3>out in the media and use a particular term that

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<v Speaker 3>I have to be said, it's used in sporting circles

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<v Speaker 3>more than it is anywhere else, and it's personal because

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<v Speaker 3>you can't come out and call someone a grub without

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<v Speaker 3>making comment on who they are. And this was the

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<v Speaker 3>hot take that then blew up in the NRL circles.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's have a listen.

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<v Speaker 8>You watch these blokes up north and they say they

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<v Speaker 8>don't get it, we don't get origin, and they use

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<v Speaker 8>this pick and stick mentality. Well, really, you've just turned

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<v Speaker 8>on your skipper. I want to see the real Billys

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<v Speaker 8>later come out the grub that we know of, because

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<v Speaker 8>this is a bloke had they got six weeks suspension

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<v Speaker 8>of luck at over.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh he's such a nice bloke. Well mate, you've lost.

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<v Speaker 8>You won your first two series as coach, you've lost

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<v Speaker 8>last series. You picked the side that we all expecting.

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<v Speaker 8>So I was win thirteen plus luckily thee didn't play well.

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<v Speaker 8>You go on in another game if you lose this

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<v Speaker 8>second series, is that meaning going to get sacked because

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<v Speaker 8>Kevin Wald's got sacked up the two series losses and

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<v Speaker 8>he only coached for Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that's personal. Yes, there's no there's no other

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<v Speaker 4>way to look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so. I think so, and you are

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<v Speaker 1>right Jellmy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I like Aaron woods He was an excellent

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<v Speaker 2>stalwart for the New South Wales Blues and the West

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<v Speaker 2>Tigers and the Canterbury Bulldogs during his playing career. But

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<v Speaker 2>part of your role when you are a commentator and

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<v Speaker 2>get we feel this pressure as well, is to make

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<v Speaker 2>pretty strong statements to get traction and to get eyes

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<v Speaker 2>on you and to get followers and to build the

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<v Speaker 2>narrative around certain games. So Woodsy has completely lent in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he cross the line?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so? And I think you and I we

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<v Speaker 3>play in this world. I'm primarily a sports commentator. You

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<v Speaker 3>obviously we work in sport here, but obviously you work

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<v Speaker 3>across other things as well. And I think we are

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<v Speaker 3>seeing more more than ever because of the saturation in

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<v Speaker 3>the marks of people having hot takes on sport, this

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<v Speaker 3>need to one up or be better. And also I

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<v Speaker 3>would say having a lens across American sport. You've got

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<v Speaker 3>Steven a Smith who's literally at war with Lebrones and

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<v Speaker 3>the two of them are talking about the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>they would have a punch up and that's all adds

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<v Speaker 3>to the fodder. So I think there's this idea that

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<v Speaker 3>you can be antagonistic and there's no limit on where

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<v Speaker 3>that can be. We've seen that Caine Corns was actually

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<v Speaker 3>banned from the North Melbourne rooms and seven weren't allowed

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<v Speaker 3>in the room's pregame or post game, which I will

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<v Speaker 3>be on the record. From what I've met of Caine personally,

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<v Speaker 3>he's only ever been delightful to me. I know that

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<v Speaker 3>he works really hard and consumes more footy than anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>But what he said about Harry Sheesel essentially stats padding

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<v Speaker 3>and he called it sheaesel ball. Once you start applying

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<v Speaker 3>personal nicknames to things like grub or sheaesel ball, it

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<v Speaker 3>does become immensely personal, and so it gets to a

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<v Speaker 3>point where it's like you're just doing your job, but

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<v Speaker 3>you're being unkind doing it, and there are going to

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<v Speaker 3>be repercussions for that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think those repercussions sometimes aren't they're not your intention,

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<v Speaker 2>but regardless of that, they kind of become your responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>because you have said that, right, Like we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like grub for me is a word that I toss

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<v Speaker 2>around at the television all the time. It's watching rugby league.

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<v Speaker 2>You say grub writting rugby league? Yeah, watching is it

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<v Speaker 2>a rugby league? Because I've never said grub in our

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<v Speaker 2>In our podcast with Ryan Hoffman, I was like, Queens

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<v Speaker 2>Eye needs more grub, like we the sentiment of.

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<v Speaker 4>I use the term grub.

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching the line kicks and it was Simon

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<v Speaker 3>and Pumba looking for some grub. Because I've never thought

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<v Speaker 3>about it in any I'm trying to think, I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>grub when would I ever?

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, they're going to rustle up some grub and.

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<v Speaker 6>You know how they're very see that they look like

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<v Speaker 6>that is the only reference because grub isn't necessarily an

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<v Speaker 6>AFL T.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very rugby league term, right, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>way in which it is used. I use it as

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<v Speaker 2>a compliment a lot of times, Like I was calling

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<v Speaker 2>for Queensland to be grubby going into the second game

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<v Speaker 2>versus the first because I didn't say I didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>them showing enough mungrel. Yeah, they didn't have that. They

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<v Speaker 2>were missing that little bit of fight where it goes

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<v Speaker 2>into different territory there with Woodsy is you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily know what's going on with Billy Slater right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy's taken personal issue with that term, because you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the pressure cooker. It's just the pressure that keeps

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<v Speaker 2>amping up.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was a gap between the statement there by

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron Woods and what Billy Slater says here, and so

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<v Speaker 3>Billy Slater has had time to consider this response, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think you can tell that in what he says.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's have a bit of a listen to what Billy

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<v Speaker 3>Slater says when he was asked about these comments.

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<v Speaker 5>Billy, you've been called a grunt by Aaron Woods.

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<v Speaker 9>Were you surprised by that?

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<v Speaker 10>And how did you will see it?

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<v Speaker 11>When you hold a position in the media in our game,

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<v Speaker 11>I feel that's a privilege and with that privilege comes

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<v Speaker 11>a responsibility. I sit in that position most weeks, and

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<v Speaker 11>you amplify your voice to millions of people, you're not

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<v Speaker 11>talking to your mates in the public.

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<v Speaker 12>Now.

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<v Speaker 11>I know Aaron Woods. I actually ran into him about

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<v Speaker 11>three or four weeks ago at a footy game and

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<v Speaker 11>he didn't voice that opinion. Then he actually brought his

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<v Speaker 11>son over to introduce him to me. When you degrade

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<v Speaker 11>someone personally in a derogatory manner, you probably don't deserve

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<v Speaker 11>one of those privileged positions that you were all in.

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<v Speaker 11>That we're all in. You don't know what people are

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<v Speaker 11>going through, and although I might be able to handle it,

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<v Speaker 11>the next person mightn't be. Maybe our last coach didn't.

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<v Speaker 11>I believe the character of a person is judged more

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<v Speaker 11>on what they say about people and how they treat

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<v Speaker 11>people than what an individual says to create attention about someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Strong words there, emotional words from Billy Slater. He does

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<v Speaker 2>make mention there to former Queensland State of Origin coach

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Green, who was a legend of rugby league who

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<v Speaker 2>died by suicide a couple of years ago, was suffering

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<v Speaker 2>with CT Now Billy has come out since making that

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<v Speaker 2>statement and apologize because he didn't mean to draw the

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<v Speaker 2>connection between Paul Green's death and potentially poor mental health

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<v Speaker 2>based on negative comments in the media. He's made that apology.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Green's family has accepted that. Yes, so we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to leave that there. But what that statement from Billy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very strong, very strong, and I think he's well

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<v Speaker 2>within his rights to make those comments and make that

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<v Speaker 2>response to Woodsy. I mean, we're seeing if you are

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<v Speaker 2>going to say something and have your hot take, you

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<v Speaker 2>need to be able to take the response to.

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<v Speaker 3>And also, for whatever reason, and you and I have

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<v Speaker 3>both witnessed this, there's this weird phenomenon that happens with

0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 3>some people where they will say to a camera something

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.440
<v Speaker 3>they would never say if the person was present, Yes,

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.280
<v Speaker 3>which for me feels like such a weird phenomenon because

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.439
<v Speaker 3>not only that person's normally going to hear, millions of

0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.880
<v Speaker 3>others might like it's weird that you would be more

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 3>las a fair when talking to such an audience, and

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 3>perhaps it's because they don't connect with I often find

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.439
<v Speaker 3>people get more nervous in a room of a thousand

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.159
<v Speaker 3>people than talking down a barrel where there'll be a

0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.679
<v Speaker 3>million there. Yes, Like there's a different energy about it,

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.000
<v Speaker 3>and you watch your words differently. So that's a bit

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.399
<v Speaker 3>that got meet the fact that he's like, well, he

0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:26.400
<v Speaker 3>obviously doesn't think I'm a grub, to the point where

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 3>he goes and gets his son yes and says, come

0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:30.760
<v Speaker 3>and meet the great Billy Slater. And I think the

0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 3>other thing is he took on everyone's favorite song.

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:35.760
<v Speaker 4>Everyone loves Billy Slater.

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.560
<v Speaker 2>It's true. It's very very true, including new South Welshman

0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.920
<v Speaker 2>like friend of the Pot Ryan Hoffman. I mean, he

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.680
<v Speaker 2>was very, very obvious on the pod about how much

0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:48.359
<v Speaker 2>he loves Billy Slater. In light of his former teammate

0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Woods's comments, he took to Instagram and said, I

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.000
<v Speaker 2>get it, it's origin and being a blue we hate Queensland,

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.439
<v Speaker 2>but this is a rubbish take by Woodsey. One hundred

0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.440
<v Speaker 2>percent question Bill selections his tactics, et cetera, but call

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.000
<v Speaker 2>on mc grubb is just rubbish clickbait.

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Billy's later it was also in his bridal party. There's

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 3>probably that later you're taken on one of mine.

0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 4>I wear blue, but he's my own. But you still

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:13.440
<v Speaker 4>can't take on Billy.

0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 3>And I think so I post I re shared that

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 3>clip of Billy because I deeply feel that if you

0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 3>are going to be a media exactly what he said

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.679
<v Speaker 3>there's a responsibility and a privilege to it where you,

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:30.200
<v Speaker 3>I think, need to permeate a way that you hope

0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 3>your kids would talk. Yeah, in the same way that

0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 3>we say to athletes, whether you like it or not,

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 3>people look up to you, whether you like it or not,

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.760
<v Speaker 3>kids in particular, but people consume the way that you talk.

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 3>And there is a way that you can be critical

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 3>and very strong in your criticism, but not be personal

0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:48.879
<v Speaker 3>and unkind.

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 13>Yes.

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.439
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like the personal and unkind is the

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:53.879
<v Speaker 3>ones that blow up. It's that shock jock factor.

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.800
<v Speaker 2>It's also driven by the media as well, though Billy

0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 2>is only saying that because he's been directly asked the media.

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 2>He's not there calling that press conference here he had

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to take on Aaron.

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 3>You're telling me Channel seven don't love Cane Corns for

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 3>taking hot takes. Yes, that's why he's in that pass.

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 3>But that's why they have a job as well. Exactly,

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.159
<v Speaker 3>they are doing their job. Yeah, and we see that

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:15.680
<v Speaker 3>on a larger scale again, used terms shock jock. There's

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 3>a million faces that come to mind that have done

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 3>so well in media by having those extreme takes. And

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 3>for mine, I'm like, I wonder how much you actually

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 3>believe in your extreme take or you want to just

0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 3>lean into the caricatur.

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 4>But that's neither here nor there.

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 3>But I think in this circumstance, when we're talking about

0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 3>comments in sports media, there has to be a level

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 3>of responsibility to it. And bizarrely this has all led

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 3>to a galvanizing of the morons going. And you heard

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 3>that there with Munster essentially going. You took on one

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.200
<v Speaker 3>of ours and so I wanted to play for my coach.

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And he had wonderful words to say in

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>the post match press conference backing that up.

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.919
<v Speaker 10>Okay, I've heard you interviewed after the game on the fields,

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 10>but quite emotionally, we have doing it for a billion

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 10>sort of the what he's made to the last forty

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:58.679
<v Speaker 10>eight hours and the pressure have the last few games.

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.000
<v Speaker 10>What do it means to you played with him being

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:05.160
<v Speaker 10>coached by him? How much did that galvanize the team?

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, when we've got jabs or blokes in the media,

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 12>having got your coach and like, at the end of

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 12>the day, he's he's our coach and he's done everything

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.199
<v Speaker 12>he can and tick the boxes for us, and we

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 12>didn't perform for him in Game one and he got

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 12>a lot of sluck for it and a lot of

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 12>stuff in the media, and he didn't deserve it. And

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 12>I played with Bill, he's a champion player and champion coach.

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 12>And when I've had a great relationship with him and

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.160
<v Speaker 12>still do and we're better, like we're probably almost really

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 12>close mates. And when you have someone Javinati like that,

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 12>it really hurts. It hurts me personally, and I'm never

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 12>tell him that, but now I'm probably telling him now,

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 12>and I love him.

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 8>And what does it mean to hear that belly that

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 8>support from teams?

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 7>It has been an event for twenty four hours for you,

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 7>like how they reconciled it.

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 9>And he's ever said to me, no, like it, Like

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 9>I don't know, Like I know the game, I'm in

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 9>the game.

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 4>I understand it.

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 13>Sometimes you know, heeds to get pushed to the boundary,

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 13>but like, like it hasn't it hasn't influenced how I

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.439
<v Speaker 13>look at myself and who I am as a person,

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 13>Like I'm.

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Very comfortable question without notice before we wrap up, because

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>we could talk at length even further about this. Do

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 2>you think that the life of a shock jock and

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:27.120
<v Speaker 2>your success is a shock jock is predetermined by you

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 2>being a man. I think it's also gendered one. We

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 2>don't see very many women in this space anyway to

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 2>be able to be afforded to have a hot take.

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 2>But I think for us.

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 4>Say that again, Yeah, I don't.

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Think that there is not enough women in this industry

0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.120
<v Speaker 2>that have the platform to be able to have these

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>hot takes and have no repercussions.

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.199
<v Speaker 3>Are you implying that there's a sports entertainment network that

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 3>don't have a single female host?

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but all they do is talk about sport and

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 4>not even on their overnight shift even their specialists in wine,

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 4>which they have one.

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I say this, I love is ye and

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 3>I listen all the time, but it blows my mind

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 3>that there is not a single female host.

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there's also reason like even if.

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:16.719
<v Speaker 3>There was, because the vitriol that would come for them

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 3>for having a hot take is so different than if

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 3>it was a bloke.

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 2>It's not you have to think of every single second

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 2>of the day that you are broadcasting. This is the

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>life that we live. It's me I could be here

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:34.719
<v Speaker 2>with a full critical analysis with PowerPoint slides about Nathan

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Cleary's left side step and I would get somebody, you

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>don't even know the game? Did you even play? How

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 2>would you know? I know, Like it's just I can't

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 2>have hot takes because I'm not allowed to. Yeah, that

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 2>is something that I think this conversation is also missing.

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 2>You can build these narratives, you can have this whole

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 2>whirlpool of vitriol and all of this potentially just putting

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it out there. If there were more female voices in here,

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>we may not see such a fallout.

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 3>My problem is I live in this space, but my

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 3>want to keep my own peace and not deal with

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 3>the vitriol that comes with having a hot take has

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 3>mellowed me enormously, and that I love creating a platform

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 3>for people like Ryan Hoffman to go off, but even

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 3>if I enormously agree with him, I almost won't going

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 3>hard afterwards unless it's in this format with you. Yes,

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't feel like I can be my earnest self

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 3>still in sport without feeling like the ton of bricks

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 3>will fall on you. So I do think there is

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 3>definitely that gendered thing that blokes can go really harder

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 3>on this and we can't because we never played the game,

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.959
<v Speaker 3>which they never say about Jared Whiteley.

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I can talk about Reyes Walsh getting his head chopped

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>off in an Origin game and maybe probably not the

0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>best look when it comes to CTA and everything we're

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>doing with concussion.

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 4>Or decigning to get punched in the head.

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I will have hundreds of comments being like,

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you don't even like rugby league? Sorry? What what?

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 4>I don't know?

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 3>And the sad thing is we're still there, and I

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 3>think it takes us to be more vocal about it.

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 3>But that's why we've created this space. And the really

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 3>nice thing for me is that we and for us

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 3>is that we created two good sports because it's the

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 3>space that we wished existed when we were getting into

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 3>sports media. And by just being ourselves, of which I've

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 3>directly had bosses tell me that I need to temper

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 3>my interest to be more palatable to a male audience

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 3>to be taken seriously.

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 4>I e.

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 3>If you post about fashion and makeup, no one's going

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 3>to believe that you know anything about sport. Direct quote

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 3>that a conversation that happened with me with a boss.

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 3>We by just being ourselves get the Prime Minister to

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 3>come in.

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 4>That's right, because.

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 3>There are people that I don't know their hobbies don't

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 3>have to include golf and dark liquor in order to

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 3>know anything about sport. And I think hopefully the audience

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 3>is pivoting that way. But I think when you see

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 3>these overt hot takes, you can have them and still

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 3>be kind. And I think, dare I say it, there

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 3>is a gendering where women are better at doing that?

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, there is, there is, and they'll do it

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 2>in a way and still be called dramatic. And I'm like,

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>if you think that that could potentially be dramatic, let's

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>just rewind every single grab that we have played on

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 2>this episode.

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 3>If women did this, it would be labeled to cat fight.

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, cat fight between former play Imagine if

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 3>this was the Tillies, oh.

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, one hundred percent, it would be And look,

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>that's not necessarily what this episode is about, but I

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 2>think that it's a very very valid point that we raise, and.

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 4>If we don't raise it, no one else will.

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 2>No one else will, but Queensland heading to a decider.

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>That is the takeaway?

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 4>Is that the fun fact?

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 2>No, oh my gosh, yes, fun fact. This is a

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>complete deviation and I am so excited to hear well,

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>really see your reaction to my fun fact, I've gone

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>absolutely rogue, dear listener, in a surprise to no one. Okay,

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>fun fact. Did you know that Locke Neil and I

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>might be the same person? Have we been in the

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 2>same room together? No? Not yet. We both love the

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Brisbane lines. Last time I checked, we both had multiple

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:37.479
<v Speaker 2>brand Loow medals to our name, and I've just found

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 2>out we have the same pop culture icon' Locky favorite

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 2>TV character of all time?

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 8>Ash from Pokemon Peak a Pokemon guy.

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 2>He goes, who is your favorite television character of all time?

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Without blinking, Locky Neil aka Georgie Tunney goes Ash from

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Pokemon Are you joking? No one will ever say that

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 2>except for me. That's so true. No one would ever

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>say that. What what Lucky Neil, sir? Come on the

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>podcast or can you we're the same person? I don't know.

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Have you been here the whole time?

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 4>HOWE come on?

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 3>So arguably one of the greatest players to ever and

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 3>to you know what, if not for Patrick Kipps getting

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 3>off that high hit that then meant that he won

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 3>a brown Low.

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 4>He's a three time brown Low medalist.

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Locking Neil he's only one two, but he could have

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 3>potentially won three. So one of the greatest players of

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 3>all time. And your argument is you must be the

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 3>same person because you'll like the same anime. Yeah, okay, yeah,

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 3>I just really wanted to clear that up. Locking Neil

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 3>and his partner Jules, who's a legend. I'm sure that

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 3>we could get him on the pod.

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you want to call it a hot take,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to.

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<v Speaker 4>All Right, we're getting on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we better go until next week?

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<v Speaker 2>Be a great sport?

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<v Speaker 5>Look at you