Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro
Speaker 1: is slammed by animal activists for cruel tourist act. Olivia
Speaker 1: Rodgers opens up about her ex moving on, and Jojo
Speaker 1: Sewer and Chris Hughes make it official. The first Megan
Speaker 1: Markle has released unseen footage of herself twerking before labor.
Speaker 1: The Duchess of Sussex shared a throwback video of her
Speaker 1: and Prince Harry doing the viral baby Mamma dance. I
Speaker 1: first came across this with no sound on it. It
Speaker 1: was very early in the morning, and I actually thought
Speaker 1: that it had been AI generated. I was like, holy fuck,
Speaker 1: what is this. Well, we were just talking about it
Speaker 1: before and you didn't even know about the trend, so
Speaker 1: you were like, what is going on? Because this is
Speaker 1: a big trend on TikTok. A lot of women who
Speaker 1: are about to give birth share themselves dancing to this song. See.
Speaker 1: I thought that they were just being creative and had
Speaker 1: come up with it themselves. I'm like, oh wow, like
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I absolutely loved Harry's cameo. He was playing
Speaker 1: the daggy dad character, wasn't he And you could tell
Speaker 1: that they were both taking the piss out of themselves,
Speaker 1: which is what I quite enjoyed, because I think that
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of flak recently, Megan in particular
Speaker 1: for taking herself too seriously and trying to be too perfect. Well,
Speaker 1: Megan clearly can't do anything right because she has been
Speaker 1: absolutely slammed in the press over this video. People are
Speaker 1: saying it's cringe. There's been a lot of negative commentary
Speaker 1: on social media. Someone wrote make it stop, hashtag cringe,
Speaker 1: and another said everything they do to be relatable is
Speaker 1: weirdly not relatable. It's bizarre how they never miss I
Speaker 1: think it's evident to anyone who's listened to this podcast
Speaker 1: that I'm a big Meghan Markle fan. But I did
Speaker 1: cringe when I initially saw this video, and I just thought,
Speaker 1: why are they doing this to themselves? Because they have
Speaker 1: already faced a lot of criticism for being hypocritical when
Speaker 1: it comes to their children's privacy. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 1: the infamous South Park episode where it's like we want
Speaker 1: privacy and over the past couple of days, for Lillabette's birthday,
Speaker 1: Meghan has shared a number of photos of her that
Speaker 1: we've never seen before. The first couple you couldn't really
Speaker 1: make out her face. She then shared a very cute
Speaker 1: photo of Harry and Lillabet and then obviously this most
Speaker 1: recent clip. We've got a real behind the scenes look
Speaker 1: into how they were preparing for labor. And whilst I
Speaker 1: think it's great, like I love seeing all these snippets,
Speaker 1: I just know that people are going to say, well,
Speaker 1: didn't you leave the royal family so your children could
Speaker 1: have privacy, Like why are you sharing all of this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But to defend them here, they want to be able
Speaker 1: to control the images they put out rather than have
Speaker 1: the press take paparazzi shots of them. So it's up
Speaker 1: to them if they want to release these photos or not,
Speaker 1: and they obviously felt safe to do so as well
Speaker 1: because they were images of Lillabette when she was a newborn,
Speaker 1: and obviously now that she's four years old, she looks
Speaker 1: very different. I always find it quite funny to see
Speaker 1: the creative ways that celebrities and influencers hired their kids'
Speaker 1: faces so that they can still post these beautiful photos online.
Speaker 1: They're always very artistic, aren't they. I found the caption
Speaker 1: to this video also quite funny because Megan said, four
Speaker 1: years ago today this also happened. Both of our children
Speaker 1: were a week past their due date. So when spicy food,
Speaker 1: all that walking and acupuncture didn't work, there was only
Speaker 1: one thing left to do. And all I could think
Speaker 1: about was because there's obviously the old wives tale that
Speaker 1: if you have sex it also brings on labor, and
Speaker 1: I was like, did they miss that out or are
Speaker 1: they trying to be a bit edgy like, you know,
Speaker 1: lead everyone to thinking, well, did they do that as well?
Speaker 1: They actually have the same thought. Another thing I couldn't
Speaker 1: stop thinking about was whether any staff at this hospital
Speaker 1: saw them doing the dance and how many times did
Speaker 1: they do it to get it this good? I really
Speaker 1: want to know where our listeners down on this one.
Speaker 1: Is it cringe or do you love it? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put up a question box on an Instagram story. Tammy
Speaker 1: Hamburg's work trip to Egypt is currently under the spotlight.
Speaker 1: The og fitness influencer has been by animal activists for
Speaker 1: riding a camel as well as offending locals with her attire.
Speaker 1: Before we get into the claims, Kate, can you give
Speaker 1: listeners a bit of a background about the trip. Well,
Speaker 1: this is a paid gig for Tammy, So she has
Speaker 1: teamed up with a travel company called au Venturer to
Speaker 1: host a group of travelers in Egypt. Now, the company
Speaker 1: offers a range of travel packages to different destinations, alongside
Speaker 1: special trips hosted by influencers and celebrities, and it's not
Speaker 1: the first time Tammy has worked with the travel operator.
Speaker 1: So last year she also hosted a trip to Greece. Now,
Speaker 1: the big selling point of this trip was that you
Speaker 1: were accompanied by Tammy Hembro as a guide alongside a
Speaker 1: trained Egyptologist. We spoke about this trip briefly last week
Speaker 1: and about how Tammy Hembro seemed to form quite a
Speaker 1: connection with the rest of the women on the trips.
Speaker 1: She actually put up an Instagram story where she tagged
Speaker 1: all of them in the post. So, as you said, Kate,
Speaker 1: the selling point really seems to be that you can
Speaker 1: befriend Tammy in and you can hang out with her.
Speaker 1: I mean, the trip was even advertised as the Ancient
Speaker 1: exp Edition with Tammy engined, and this wasn't a cheap trip.
Speaker 1: It costs travelers between six and seven thousand Australian dollars
Speaker 1: depending on the room that you stayed in. Now, this week,
Speaker 1: photos and videos of Tammy riding a camel emerged on
Speaker 1: social media. Tammy didn't upload the images herself, but instead
Speaker 1: people spotted her in the background of other travelers photos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she did share a photo of two camels from the
Speaker 1: ride with the Pyramids in the background, so she did
Speaker 1: acknowledge that she saw camels, just not that she actually
Speaker 1: rode one. Now, the camel ride was part of the
Speaker 1: planned itinery and that has been available on the tour
Speaker 1: operator's website from the get go. On the website, it
Speaker 1: says ride a camel on the high plateau with panoramic
Speaker 1: views across the dunes. Now, clearly this was a planned
Speaker 1: part of the trip. Now. Animal activist Bailey Nelson, who
Speaker 1: runs Instagram account Warrior for Animals, was quick to call
Speaker 1: Tammy out. He wrote, I am an animal rights campaigner
Speaker 1: and am deeply disappointed Tammy hembro road abuse camels. I'm
Speaker 1: glad the post has been removed, but more needs to
Speaker 1: be done against exploitation in tourism. He also commented on
Speaker 1: Tammy's post, I'm politely asking if you can do your
Speaker 1: bit to end the exploitation of animals in tourism. I've
Speaker 1: been supporting you for a long time, even praising you
Speaker 1: for advocating for eating more plant based foods in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty to help the environment and of course, animal welfare.
Speaker 1: The backlash was very swift. Tammy's Egypt post received a
Speaker 1: flurry of angry commenters. One wrote, how about don't torture
Speaker 1: animals and don't write a camel can't believe it's even
Speaker 1: on the program. Another said do you have any idea
Speaker 1: how they're being treated and how exhausted they are for
Speaker 1: moronic tourists exploiting them for no fucking reason. The fallout
Speaker 1: resulted in the travel company removing the activity from their
Speaker 1: tour so under Tammy's post, they wrote update, we have
Speaker 1: taken on feedback and removed the camel writing from our itinerary.
Speaker 1: They went on to share on their own Instagram account
Speaker 1: a statement that read, we want to acknowledge concerns about
Speaker 1: the camm riding during our Egypt trip. While this activity
Speaker 1: was removed from the official itinerary, it still occurred we're
Speaker 1: actively reviewing what happened and putting into places system to
Speaker 1: ensure this does not happen on future trips. Thank you
Speaker 1: for your feedback and accountability. We learn from this and
Speaker 1: push forward. But I'm so confused. They're saying that they
Speaker 1: removed the activity because it was inappropriate, but then they're
Speaker 1: saying that it still occurred. Are they trying to put
Speaker 1: blame on the tourists for going ahead with it? Well,
Speaker 1: they're not taking accountability at all. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: their fault. It's a part of their itinerary. It's on
Speaker 1: their bloody website. It's still on their website that this
Speaker 1: was a part of the planned itinerary for the Tammy
Speaker 1: Hembro trip. Yeah, it doesn't really make much sense now
Speaker 1: when you dig a little bit deeper. The abuse of
Speaker 1: animals at Egyptian tourist spots has been in the spotlight
Speaker 1: recently following a report published by Peter So. The report
Speaker 1: highlighted the cruel conditions working animals as subjected to. It
Speaker 1: found camels and horses used for tourist rides are being beaten,
Speaker 1: hit on the testicles, and denied rest. That is so disturbing.
Speaker 1: Camels in particular, all so suffer from skin conditions because
Speaker 1: they're not given adequate their treatment. And if that isn't
Speaker 1: bad enough, when animals become injured or too old to work,
Speaker 1: they are left to die behind the pyramids. Peter actually
Speaker 1: obtained footage of rotting animal corpses as well as six
Speaker 1: injured animals left to staff and according to Peter, police
Speaker 1: and a government officials are complicit in the abuse. So
Speaker 1: they allege that police have been intimidating tourists and forcing
Speaker 1: them to delete vision of abused animals from their phones.
Speaker 1: I'm just so thankful to organizations like Peter for actually
Speaker 1: shining a light on this, because I was completely unaware
Speaker 1: of it myself. And despite the Egyptian government pledging to
Speaker 1: end the abuse, nothing has happened so far. They claimed
Speaker 1: that they would launch an animal welfare program by twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, but that is yet to happen, and Peter
Speaker 1: has continued to lobby the Egyptian government to introduce regulations
Speaker 1: for working animals within the tourism sector. Yeah, and since
Speaker 1: this report was released, a lot of tour operators in
Speaker 1: Egypt have pledged not to offer Cameral rider as part
Speaker 1: of their tours and this was only in March this year,
Speaker 1: so clearly the travel company or venturer that Tammy partner
Speaker 1: with did not. And I've only just done it now
Speaker 1: to save face. What That's the thing. Tammy is copying
Speaker 1: a lot of blame over this incident, but I also
Speaker 1: think it lies with the travel company. They have literally
Speaker 1: built a business of selling influencer run tours, so they're
Speaker 1: the ones who are the experts in the industry. They
Speaker 1: should really be doing proper research into these locations before
Speaker 1: embarking on these sort of trips. I also think some
Speaker 1: responsibility does lie with Tammy as well, though, because if
Speaker 1: you're going to put your face to a tool like this,
Speaker 1: you should do some research and find out what are
Speaker 1: the activities. Are these activities ethical?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a bit dubious to how much of a
Speaker 1: travel guide she actually played on this trip, but considering
Speaker 1: she was being paid, she should have done her due
Speaker 1: diligence and done some research into the itinerary. This was
Speaker 1: big news. I mean again, I have to admit it
Speaker 1: wasn't something that I was aware of myself, and I'm
Speaker 1: very thankful for organizations like Peter for actually bringing awareness
Speaker 1: to these issues. But if I was going to put
Speaker 1: my name and face to a tourism activity, I do
Speaker 1: a bit of research to make sure that it was
Speaker 1: an ethical one. Well, even if you're traveling to a country,
Speaker 1: normally you will do some research into what's going on there,
Speaker 1: And particularly she has admitted that she has quite an
Speaker 1: interest in Egypt, so and I mean the Egyptian government
Speaker 1: is also to blame here, but as Peter has pointed out,
Speaker 1: it's tourists who pay to take horse or camera rids
Speaker 1: that are keeping these cruel operations in business. So people
Speaker 1: really need to reflect on what they're doing now. Tammy's
Speaker 1: Joseph clothing during her trip has also bothered some of
Speaker 1: her followers. She has been called out for not dressing
Speaker 1: appropriately in the very conservative Muslim country. In terms of
Speaker 1: her outfit, she has posted some glamorous photos of her
Speaker 1: posing in front of tourist sites, and in a few
Speaker 1: of them she wore a headscarf alongside long pants or
Speaker 1: a skirt on top, though she did wear some tight
Speaker 1: t shirts and also crop tops showing off her midriff.
Speaker 1: In another photo, she was wearing a sleeveless dress that
Speaker 1: showed a bit of side boob, and there were also
Speaker 1: some images of her at the hotel pool swimming in
Speaker 1: a bikini.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in terms of the rules, it's advised that women
Speaker 1: dress conservatively, So while travelers aren't held to the same
Speaker 1: standard as local women, it's recommended that they wear loose
Speaker 1: fitting clothes that cover at least from your shoulder to
Speaker 1: below your knee. It's also recommended to pack long sleeve
Speaker 1: shirts to slip over your outfits for more conservative areas.
Speaker 1: Is that in the hotel though, because I think she's
Speaker 1: well within her right to wear a bikini in her
Speaker 1: hotel pool. Yeah, so she's totally allowed to wear a
Speaker 1: bikini at her hotel. There are no dramas there. While
Speaker 1: will people sew up in arms about it, it seems like
Speaker 1: they're just trying to be highly critical. Oh well, they
Speaker 1: clearly are. I mean, in terms of spots that you
Speaker 1: have to follow dress rules, you do have to wear
Speaker 1: head coverings in a mosque, so she did do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, some of her clothes were probably too tight
Speaker 1: for some of the locals. It was more just like
Speaker 1: I noticed the photos, she would have the headscarf on
Speaker 1: and she'd try and pull like a really sexy I
Speaker 1: reckon it's more the boss that she was doing. Or
Speaker 1: people were like, this just feels a bit wrong. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: as we've come to expect on Instagram people who are
Speaker 1: very vocal with their opinions. One person wrote, pretty sure
Speaker 1: this is cultural appropriation because you're not wearing that scarf
Speaker 1: to cover your body. Another said a holiday to Egypt
Speaker 1: or half naked is possibly one of the most tone
Speaker 1: deaf things I've ever seen. Another person added, no hate,
Speaker 1: but I would have thought showing a lot of skin
Speaker 1: in a majority Muslim country would have been considered disrespectful now.
Speaker 1: Tammy responded to that comment, saying, we were told it's
Speaker 1: fine people can wear bikinis of beach slash pools now
Speaker 1: a middle of this controversy, Tammy is back home on
Speaker 1: the Gold Coast with her kids at the moment, and
Speaker 1: she's been sharing a lot about a New Zealand trip
Speaker 1: she's got coming up with them, asking for suggestions and
Speaker 1: explaining that she's going to be taking her kids there
Speaker 1: very soon. Again, there is no mention of her husband that'
Speaker 1: z Akassi coming on the trip. What is going on?
Speaker 1: I just want them to put out a statement explaining
Speaker 1: to us that they're not together anymore. Yeah, well, her
Speaker 1: music tastes is very telling. She uploaded a video on
Speaker 1: TikTok of her mind to the Taylor Swift banger get
Speaker 1: Away Car. That is my favorite song and a bit
Speaker 1: of a fun fact. When we went to Taylor's concert
Speaker 1: in Melbourne, it was the surprise song. Well, it was
Speaker 1: one of the surprise songs. She did a medley. I
Speaker 1: was so excited when that started playing. Now, Tammy added
Speaker 1: the caption, this song is currently on replay in my head. Now.
Speaker 1: I have been trying to keep up with Tammy snapchat
Speaker 1: and the other day she was singing to get Away
Speaker 1: Car in Coles. Now, it disturbs me that Coles that
Speaker 1: started playing Taylor Swift because there's this saying that once
Speaker 1: you start liking the music in the supermarket, it means
Speaker 1: you're old. Anyway, So Tammy was miming to the song
Speaker 1: and she was saying how embarrassed her kids were. Let's
Speaker 1: throw to what she said were then to get awake.
Speaker 1: You guys should see how they're both looking at me
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Nice?
Speaker 1: Do you like my singing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Like, do you know there's cameras in here? Because I
Speaker 1: just started dancing. Look if I heard Taylor Swift on it, Coles,
Speaker 1: I think I'd be singing along time who. I found
Speaker 1: it interesting the bit that she mimed too on TikTok,
Speaker 1: because it was the bit where it's I'm in the
Speaker 1: getaway car. I left you in the motel bar, put
Speaker 1: a money in the bag, and stole the key. That
Speaker 1: was the last time you ever saw me. Pretty telling.
Speaker 1: Talking about Matt Sakowski, I have been very intrigued by
Speaker 1: his podcast co host Adam macavoy's strategy when it comes
Speaker 1: to sharing about her birth. She uploaded a TikTok and
Speaker 1: Instagram reel yesterday where she said it's happening and she
Speaker 1: was miming to that viral clip that says we're having
Speaker 1: a baby. Fast forward twenty four hours, she has uploaded
Speaker 1: another video where she does this transition from normal clothes
Speaker 1: into scrubs and says we are meeting our son in
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, and a lot of people have written in saying, hey,
Speaker 1: just heads up. She actually had her son ten days ago.
Speaker 1: This is all just being rolled out now. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: she also dropped it she was having a planned c section,
Speaker 1: hence the timing. I'm thinking did I do my c
Speaker 1: section wrong? Because I was waiting around for ten hours
Speaker 1: to go into the operating THEA. Should I have been
Speaker 1: filming a bunch of tiktoks? Look, it was very poor
Speaker 1: form of you to not film tiktoks. But I wonder
Speaker 1: if she held off from announcing her baby news because
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of focus on Steph Klaire Smith's
Speaker 1: new daughter, Billy, which she announced on Friday last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's definitely trying to time it when she'll
Speaker 1: get most impact in saying that we're recording late on
Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. I bet she does it tonight and this
Speaker 1: will be old news. One.
Speaker 3: The Daily Mail loves to use my name in everything
Speaker 3: they ever write about him, which I guess is just
Speaker 3: part of what I do and my history with him.
Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers has opened up about Howard feels seeing her
Speaker 1: ex husband Justin mckinn move on and start a family
Speaker 1: with someone else. The former Miss Universe contestant was undergoing
Speaker 1: fertility treatment in the months leading up to the couple
Speaker 1: Shocks split in October twenty twenty two, so I was
Speaker 1: really surprised to see Olivia speak about this. Yeah, She's
Speaker 1: usually pretty restrained and i'd say respectful when speaking about Justin.
Speaker 1: I mean, over the years, she has dropped a few
Speaker 1: breadcrumbs here and there and alluded to things that have
Speaker 1: gone on, but she's never given a tell all interview
Speaker 1: which explicitly says I broke up with him for this reason.
Speaker 1: It does seem like since it hit the news that
Speaker 1: he's been accused of stealing almost half a million dollars
Speaker 1: from his former employer, that she has been letting a
Speaker 1: few more details fly. Well, yeah, because I think that
Speaker 1: it's given everyone an insight into potentially what she was
Speaker 1: dealing with behind the scenes, so she hasn't really had
Speaker 1: to explain it because everyone's sort of like, oh, I
Speaker 1: get it now, it makes sense now. She is a
Speaker 1: bit of a fiend for Q and a Box, and
Speaker 1: on her podcast this week, she decided to answer listener questions.
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have known how many of
Speaker 1: these were about Justin. Yeah, all of them always have
Speaker 1: to do with her relationship. I feel like there must
Speaker 1: have just been an overwhelming amount and she was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got to answer it. Because she ended up answering
Speaker 1: this question.
Speaker 2: How does it feel seeing an ex move on and
Speaker 2: start a family when you're not there yet.
Speaker 1: See you're saying that you think she may have been
Speaker 1: pressured into it because a lot of people asked I
Speaker 1: think she knows this is good content. I think she
Speaker 1: knows that questions like this she can tease on social
Speaker 1: media and get people to listen. I also think it's
Speaker 1: her story to share as well. All of these things
Speaker 1: happened to her, and as you said, Kat, I think
Speaker 1: she feels more comfortable now people know a bit more
Speaker 1: about Justin's character and what was going on behind the scenes. Now.
Speaker 1: Back in May, we have spoken about how Justin and
Speaker 1: is on again off again bachelor girlfriend Tani Leeson welcomed
Speaker 1: their son Alo, So this is obviously what this question
Speaker 1: is about. And when that news broke, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of us thought about Olivia and how she was feeling,
Speaker 1: because she's always been pretty vocal about wanting to start
Speaker 1: a family, and as you touched on, she was undergoing
Speaker 1: IVF treatment in the lead up to the couple's shock
Speaker 1: separation back in twenty twenty two, and at the time,
Speaker 1: Olivia said what she was grieving the most about that
Speaker 1: relationship was the loss of the family life she envisioned
Speaker 1: happening so soon now. Before Olivia answered the question, she
Speaker 1: preface that the only reason she's willing to open up
Speaker 1: about it is because she hoped it may help others
Speaker 1: who are navigating a similar situation, and she explained that
Speaker 1: she generally likes to avoid drama and headlines when she
Speaker 1: can and is so sick of being included in daily
Speaker 1: mail articles about Justin. She did say, though, that she
Speaker 1: can understand why they do it because she's had a
Speaker 1: history with him. Well, ultimately, he's only getting attention because
Speaker 1: of her. Yeah, now let's have a listen to how
Speaker 1: she answered this listener question.
Speaker 3: I am happy for my exes moving on. I don't
Speaker 3: feel upset when I hear about it or see anything.
Speaker 3: And genuinely, I haven't felt negative about negatively about that
Speaker 3: at all since we split.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: It really helped me to know that I had made
Speaker 3: the right decision, because I never once looked back and
Speaker 3: thought like, oh, that that could have been me, or
Speaker 3: that should be me, Like I'm so confident in this
Speaker 3: decision that I made, Like I don't think that we
Speaker 3: were a good fit for each other, and so I
Speaker 3: don't think that it would have been a good idea
Speaker 3: to have children, and I think it's really good that
Speaker 3: we didn't, so I wish them all the best. But
Speaker 3: I don't feel sad seeing that.
Speaker 1: Very mature response. I wonder if it's got anything to
Speaker 1: do with the fact. And I do hate to speculate,
Speaker 1: but I follow Tiny Lison on Instagram and it appears
Speaker 1: like Justin is nowhere to be seen. He didn't feature
Speaker 1: in the birth announcement, he didn't like it, didn't comment
Speaker 1: on it. Well, I think she must be feeling like
Speaker 1: she dodged an absolute bullet here and that she's so
Speaker 1: relieved that she listened to her gut when she did.
Speaker 1: Olivia did say that while she wasn't upset by this
Speaker 1: recent news, she'd be lying if she didn't admit that
Speaker 1: over the years she has struggled with not knowing when
Speaker 1: it's going to be her turn to have a family
Speaker 1: and feeling like she's behind and not at that life
Speaker 1: stage that she expected to be in. I also really
Speaker 1: loved in this podcast, asked how she shared two excerpts
Speaker 1: from her diary. So this was a diary that she
Speaker 1: was actually keeping in Bali when she was traveling with
Speaker 1: her other ex Morgan Waterhouse, and she said during the
Speaker 1: trip she purchased a diary because she felt like she
Speaker 1: was having a midlife or quarter life crisis and needed
Speaker 1: to write down her thoughts. So this diary entry was
Speaker 1: dated August fourth, twenty twenty three. Let's have a listen
Speaker 1: to what she wrote.
Speaker 3: Mentally, I've felt pretty good most of the time in Bali,
Speaker 3: but I've had my moments, like quite overwhelming moments where
Speaker 3: I'm questioning myself, my job, where I'm at in my life, etc.
Speaker 3: I suppose when I reflect on what's happened over the
Speaker 3: last year, it's to be expected. This time last year,
Speaker 3: I was en route to the USA with my husband
Speaker 3: and we had such a rocky trip back then in
Speaker 3: a year's time, I definitely pictured myself as a mum, married, settled,
Speaker 3: not traveling through Bali for a month old How things
Speaker 3: can change so much. A couple of days later, I wrote,
Speaker 3: I've had a great deal of self doubt lately, and
Speaker 3: this fear of aging, fear of not being where I
Speaker 3: should be out in my life, eg. Not having kids, etc.
Speaker 3: I felt sad when I saw a toddler with his
Speaker 3: young parents by the pool. Today I find myself wondering
Speaker 3: when that will be me. But I also stopped myself
Speaker 3: and remind myself that what I do have right now
Speaker 3: is pretty amazing. Being grateful helps, and I'm focusing on that.
Speaker 1: I think it's quite clear that Olivia did a lot
Speaker 1: of soul searching on this trip. Me being a massive snoop,
Speaker 1: I had to go back and look at her TikTok
Speaker 1: to see exactly who she was with on the trip,
Speaker 1: what she was doing, because while she was there with
Speaker 1: Morgan Waterhouse, she actually spent the first couple of weeks
Speaker 1: with her mum, and then she did a bit of
Speaker 1: solo traveling, and it's quite clear that she had a
Speaker 1: lot of time to be by herself and reflect. And
Speaker 1: I potentially think she did a lot of reflection on
Speaker 1: her relationship with Morgan, because when I looked back at
Speaker 1: the dates, that is around the time that he mysteriously
Speaker 1: disappeared from her feed, like right after the trip. So
Speaker 1: they went to Balley, looked like they had a great time,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, everyone's like, where is it?
Speaker 1: He did a bit of a mat Zakowski and disappeared.
Speaker 1: I was in Balley at a similar time on my honeymoon,
Speaker 1: and I kept seeing all her extremely glamorous photos of
Speaker 1: them doing their little photo shoots, and I mean, I
Speaker 1: couldn't even get my husband to take one photo of
Speaker 1: me on the trip. And it's so funny because they
Speaker 1: looked so glamorous and so in love and everything was perfect,
Speaker 1: but clearly it wasn't. And I think this is really
Speaker 1: great for Olivia to share what was actually going on
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. All I could think, too, was it
Speaker 1: was very trusting of her to write down these deep
Speaker 1: personal thoughts when she was on vacation with someone relatively new.
Speaker 1: I would be worried that they would go and read it.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe everyone isn't nosy like me and would
Speaker 1: invade someone's privacy like that, But you know, it's pretty
Speaker 1: brave to leave that lying around. If she did, I
Speaker 1: wonder if it was under lock and key. She also
Speaker 1: had the foresight to say that the reason she probably
Speaker 1: hasn't struggled with this news as much is because she's
Speaker 1: in a really great relationship now, and she also feels
Speaker 1: confident that she's frozen her eggs. So she did really
Speaker 1: gush about her new boyfriend, Hugo. She said that she
Speaker 1: genuinely thinks she's found the right person for her to
Speaker 1: have a family with. So this has got me really excited.
Speaker 1: I feel like we are on engagement watch with this couple,
Speaker 1: and I, for one, I'm ready for another epic Olivia
Speaker 1: Rodgers wedding. Hopefully she unblocks us by them, because I'd
Speaker 1: like to see the phone please, Olivia. We're big fans.
Speaker 2: Dream Case podcast. Right, yeah, yeah, you answer the question? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, what's.
Speaker 1: Up with that? After weeks of speculation and a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot of soft launching, Jojo Siwa and Chris
Speaker 1: Hughes have confirmed they are together. The pair controversially met
Speaker 1: on Celebrity Big Brother UK when the former dance mum
Speaker 1: Start was in a relationship with Ossie content creator Kath
Speaker 1: Ebbs and so for if those are not across it,
Speaker 1: can you bring us quickly up to speed? Well. As
Speaker 1: soon as Jojo and Chris met in the UK Big
Speaker 1: Brother House, it was clear that they had an instant connection,
Speaker 1: and while they did describe their bond as platonic, there
Speaker 1: were several incidents that raised concern not only amongst viewers
Speaker 1: but also their housemates. So in the house they were
Speaker 1: very physically affectionate. There were a lot of cuddles in bed,
Speaker 1: massages and head scratches, and this was very early on.
Speaker 1: There was also a bit of a weird incident in
Speaker 1: the hot tub when Jojo was sitting on Chris's lap
Speaker 1: and they were accused of sharing a forehead kiss. I
Speaker 1: love how primary school he is they kissed in the forehead.
Speaker 1: Another big moment for Jojo on the show was when
Speaker 1: she declared she'd come to this realization about her sexuality,
Speaker 1: and she said she's always told herself she's a lesbian,
Speaker 1: but being in the house made her realize that she's
Speaker 1: not a lesbian, she's queer. This was a pretty bold
Speaker 1: admission to make when your partner is outside watching on
Speaker 1: at home, because it was quite clear that this revelation
Speaker 1: ca because of her growing feelings for Chris. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: despite all of these online theories and chat about Chris
Speaker 1: and Jojo being more than friends, Kath flew over to
Speaker 1: the UK to be by JoJo's side in the finale, However,
Speaker 1: Jojo dumped Kath at the rap party just hours later.
Speaker 1: After the show, Jojo and Chris appeared on a couple
Speaker 1: of talk shows together, and they both continued to toe
Speaker 1: this line that nothing was going on and that their
Speaker 1: relationship was platonic, and they kept saying that they had
Speaker 1: a soulmate friendship, which was a bit wanky. I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, you just clearly have the hots
Speaker 1: for each other. Oh, it just annoyed me because it's like,
Speaker 1: you clearly dumped your partner to be with this guy.
Speaker 1: At least be honest about it. Yeah, and all this
Speaker 1: breadcrumbing of their relationship, like JoJo's been posting all these
Speaker 1: photos of her face timing Chris and suddenly she likes
Speaker 1: drinking English tea and her new favorite meal is spaghetti
Speaker 1: who which is what Chris like? And also the way
Speaker 1: she keeps calling him Christopher, sweet Christopher. Is it because
Speaker 1: it's like I know him better because I call him
Speaker 1: his real name? Or is it because he's from the
Speaker 1: UK and she thinks it kind of sounds more sophisticated.
Speaker 1: I think it probably started off as a flirtatious thing
Speaker 1: where you can you know, oh, Christopher. I've actually become
Speaker 1: a quite a big fan of Jojo. I didn't really
Speaker 1: like her before, but I like Joel so Joel is
Speaker 1: her UK personality. She's a bit more erst and down
Speaker 1: to Earth And I don't know why, but I am
Speaker 1: actually shipping this relationship, even though I feel so sorry
Speaker 1: for Calf. I think it's because you didn't watch Love
Speaker 1: Island and you don't know who Chris Hughes is. Not
Speaker 1: that he was unlikable on the show. I really liked him,
Speaker 1: but he sounds like a bit of a cloud chaser
Speaker 1: if anything. Yeah, he's a cloud chaser. I mean he's
Speaker 1: been with that girl from Little Mix, what was a
Speaker 1: Jesse from Little Mix? Like he's been Olivia Utwood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been with a lot of high profile women and
Speaker 1: Jojo sewat is not his typical type. I have seen
Speaker 1: people on TikTok saying, can you imagine if Jojo Sewah
Speaker 1: popped up on his series of Love Island, he would
Speaker 1: be he was a child then yeah, but if she was,
Speaker 1: you know, the same mate, would he be taking it
Speaker 1: to the fire pit to have a chat? No, he wouldn't.
Speaker 1: We don't know. I mean they might have clicked on
Speaker 1: this personality level that we're not deep enough to get. Oh,
Speaker 1: we don't think Chris Hughes is interested in the amount
Speaker 1: of followers that she has. Now he's an international name. Well,
Speaker 1: last week they looked like they were getting very cozy
Speaker 1: because Jojo returned to the UK to perform a series
Speaker 1: of shows there and they both uploaded a ton of
Speaker 1: photos with their arms wrapped around each other, and Jojo
Speaker 1: shared that Chris got her all of these little birthday presents.
Speaker 1: And Jojo took it a step further when she performed
Speaker 1: the cover of Betty Davis Eyes for her UK fans
Speaker 1: and she changed the lyrics to say, Chris Hughes eyes.
Speaker 1: We actually spoke about this on the Subs episode last week. Again,
Speaker 1: it's also performative and intention seeking. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: people are thinking that this is a publicity's done. And
Speaker 1: on Sunday, Chris all but confirmed their relationship with a
Speaker 1: photo that he shared to Snapchat. So it was kind
Speaker 1: of this seedy looking blurred photo where Jojo was lying
Speaker 1: across his chest in bed and he was shirtless and
Speaker 1: she was sort of pretending to be asleep, which everyone
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, and he captured the photo
Speaker 1: sleeping beauty.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: It's just so attention seeking, isn't it. Did you see
Speaker 1: people say it looked like a newborn shoe, maybe because
Speaker 1: of the age gap, but a few days later, during
Speaker 1: an interview with the Guardian, Jojo finally confirmed the news.
Speaker 1: So she was straight up asked by a journo whether
Speaker 1: the relationship was romantic or platonic, and after what the
Speaker 1: journalist said was a full twenty seconds of silent grinning,
Speaker 1: Jojo said she is currently dating Chris, who she refers
Speaker 1: to as sweet Christopher. She said, it's not platonic anymore,
Speaker 1: and it's been a beautiful development, a beautiful connection, and
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely head over heels for him, and he's the
Speaker 1: same way. A bit awkward to be like, Oh, he's
Speaker 1: head over heels for me. I think she's saying that though,
Speaker 1: because a lot of the commentary has been that he
Speaker 1: looks like he's trapped and he's fucked up. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen those online now. When asked if this was all
Speaker 1: for press attention, Jojo said, clearly, you've never been around us.
Speaker 1: I won't speak for him, but for me personally, the
Speaker 1: happiness in my life just radiates off me right now.
Speaker 1: Literally yesterday I was massaging my cheeks. I've never been
Speaker 1: in pain from smiling so much. Kay, I want to know,
Speaker 1: have you ever been in a relationship with your cheeks
Speaker 1: was so sore from smiling. I remember when I started
Speaker 1: dating Reese that I was pretty happy with myself because
Speaker 1: we started with a platonic friendship as well. So maybe
Speaker 1: it's when you've known the person and finally you get
Speaker 1: to be with them. Well, so you actually were having
Speaker 1: to massage your cheeks because you were smiling that much. No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't, but I was genuinely pretty thrill with right.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like the performance of it all,
Speaker 1: because I've actually seen her when she was performing on stage,
Speaker 1: and I think it was when she did the whole
Speaker 1: Chris Hughes eyes thing. There's a clip of her actually
Speaker 1: massaging her cheeks because Chris was in the crowd and
Speaker 1: just saying, I just so happy. I don't know, to me,
Speaker 1: is that a bit much? This is how girls of
Speaker 1: this age act. They get head over heels rush into
Speaker 1: this relationship. I mean, I don't know how logistically it's
Speaker 1: going to work. He's a thirty two year old English guy. Well,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of discussion about this age gap
Speaker 1: between them, and also debate about how much Chris knew
Speaker 1: about JoJo's music career before they met, because a lot
Speaker 1: of people have called him opportunistic, but others have pointed
Speaker 1: out that because he doesn't really fit into her gen
Speaker 1: Z demographic, maybe he was unaware of her public persona
Speaker 1: because I've kept seeing all these dick dogs or people
Speaker 1: are like, the second he gets out of the house
Speaker 1: and sees the Karma clip, He's like, holy fuck all.
Speaker 1: I hardly think he was being strategic about it. She
Speaker 1: literally entered the house as a lesbian with a partner.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to have pretty big tickets on
Speaker 1: yourself to think, oh yeah, oh winner. Over that being said,
Speaker 1: Kath dropped a pretty interesting insight on their podcast. They
Speaker 1: were interviewed by Claire Stevens, and they revealed that before
Speaker 1: Jojo went into the house, they actually mentioned the whole
Speaker 1: Drew and Tully scenario which Tully entered the house in
Speaker 1: a relationship with a woman and then obviously she cheated Withdrew,
Speaker 1: and the fact that Jojo actually knew about it. I
Speaker 1: was like, isn't that bizarre? It is bizarre. But do
Speaker 1: I think that she purposely carried it out to get attention? No? No,
Speaker 1: I think she genuinely really likes Chris. I think that
Speaker 1: there's a genuine connection there. Well, JoJo's had a pretty
Speaker 1: good test for Chris to see if he's in this
Speaker 1: for the long haul and whether he is getting cringed
Speaker 1: out by some of her behavior, because she decided to
Speaker 1: show him a viral clip that has been haunting her
Speaker 1: for over a year now. So in the clip, Jojo
Speaker 1: is being interviewed on the red carpet and she's wearing
Speaker 1: face paint, which resembles what the guys from Kiss were.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what she said in the
Speaker 1: interview real yes to my podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I mean, honestly, let's my think, not
Speaker 2: one of my axes.
Speaker 1: I actually had to watch this a few times to
Speaker 1: get it because it wasn't obvious to me. I had
Speaker 1: to read the comments, and basically people were ripping into
Speaker 1: her because she thought what she responded was really funny
Speaker 1: and kind of stepped back to be like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: well I think, And it wasn't well I think because
Speaker 1: she said it so enthusiastically dream Guests and my podcast,
Speaker 1: and I think it was also done to what she
Speaker 1: was wearing. Now, someone else who was confused by this
Speaker 1: clip was Chris Hughes. Let's have a listen to what
Speaker 1: he said about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't get it. I don't get it. Perfect
Speaker 2: dream case on my podcast, right, yeah, yeah you answered
Speaker 2: the question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up with that? You know,
Speaker 2: just my voice and what I looked like. People just
Speaker 2: love to pick on me though. Yeah, when you get
Speaker 2: like when you get when you get into something, your
Speaker 2: voice rasty, can you try to say dream guess my
Speaker 2: podcast the way that I did in that video? Dream
Speaker 2: yess on my podcast? Yeah? What do you think of that?
Speaker 1: Is it Halloween thing?
Speaker 2: No thing? No? That was no nice. I like it,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bob. It's different, thank you. It was That's
Speaker 2: what I looked like in the Karma music video. So
Speaker 2: oh yes, yeah, you're just doing that. I like it
Speaker 2: on your chin, it goes from your chin through Yeah,
Speaker 2: dream yess on my podcast. Oh god here.
Speaker 1: Issues.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't either, but the world had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He sounded so cute, like I can see why she's
Speaker 1: into him. Like his response was very darling. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like he answered it so diplomatically. That shows someone
Speaker 1: who is in their thirties, he's tuned a lot of
Speaker 1: girls before. Well, he would give you the ick though,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it. Oh? I love how he's like, I like
Speaker 1: that little thing on your chin, like that looks good?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is this? Well? I got myself here.
Speaker 1: I've just been thinking about poor Cath in all of
Speaker 1: this and how they're faring, because in their recent podcast,
Speaker 1: it was recorded when they still believe that this relationship
Speaker 1: was platonic and nothing was going on. This week, Kath
Speaker 1: did share a TikTok of them dancing with text over
Speaker 1: the top that said shaking my ass instead of crashing
Speaker 1: the fuck out, and then caption the post happy Pride
Speaker 1: month Now. Followers were quick to assume that Kath was
Speaker 1: taking a swipe at Jojo, so one user wrote, or
Speaker 1: perhaps move on she has, to which Kath responded, I
Speaker 1: think it's time you move on. I have. Another said
Speaker 1: I'm happy for Joe, to which Cath said same. This
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with her wishing them the best.
Speaker 1: This is very layered and I agree with what Kath
Speaker 1: said in their podcast. If their relationship with Jojo was
Speaker 1: a heterosexual one, then Jojo would have been the villain
Speaker 1: and Chris would have been painted as a home wrecker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Whereas because Jojo was in a lesbian relationship. People are like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, she's seen the light. She wants a man.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what people are viewing this as, which invent
Speaker 1: Tree has been repulsive online, Like I don't even want
Speaker 1: to repeat some of the things that have been said,
Speaker 1: but it's oh, you know, she's had a factory reset now,
Speaker 1: Like it's absolutely appalling, and I can't believe in this
Speaker 1: day and age people actually share that opinion. And then
Speaker 1: people try and make excuses like, oh, they were only
Speaker 1: together for a couple of months. It's like, so what,
Speaker 1: this was a legitimate relationship. One person has emotionally cheated,
Speaker 1: And while I don't think it's fair to have some
Speaker 1: witch hunt, I do think though, we should have some
Speaker 1: sympathy for Kath, who was mourning their relationship. You can
Speaker 1: also see from the way that Jojo is with Chris,
Speaker 1: she goes from zero to one hundred very quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as she seems like a bit of a love bomber.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing maybe she was like that with Kath Ebbs
Speaker 1: as well. Let's get into our Friday debrief and it's
Speaker 1: been a big week for me as a mum because
Speaker 1: Jack took his first steps so on Wednesday night, we
Speaker 1: always have family dinner at my parents' house, and he'd
Speaker 1: kind of been standing up and kind of going back
Speaker 1: and forth on one foot, and I was like, he's
Speaker 1: so close, He's going to do it. So he actually
Speaker 1: ended up walking towards Amy. Amy had a soft toy
Speaker 1: penguin in front of her and coaxed him across whilst
Speaker 1: I was filming, and it was just such a magical moment.
Speaker 1: Everyone was so proud and cheering him on, and he
Speaker 1: looked so impressed with himself. It was so exciting, and
Speaker 1: I love that we actually captured it on video. I
Speaker 1: feel like we've always got our cameras rolling because you
Speaker 1: also got a moment of him pulling Harry's dummy out
Speaker 1: and Harry just looking so shocked. Oh, it was so
Speaker 1: funny because he did it the other day. Amy greeted
Speaker 1: us at the door, and it was like Jack was like, yank,
Speaker 1: thank you, and it was like pop out of his mouth.
Speaker 1: But at least he did say tar It's very polite.
Speaker 1: I honestly feel this week like time is going so quickly.
Speaker 1: I think it's because I officially received my C section
Speaker 1: date and there is a bit of a story behind it,
Speaker 1: but we roughly share about that once the baby is born,
Speaker 1: because it's quite funny. But yeah, it's just all feeling
Speaker 1: more real now that I can count down the days.
Speaker 1: And I think it's scary also because we're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: like Amy's gonna have to come back. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: and leave. Like it's all becoming more real. You've only
Speaker 1: just got into this routine of going to your house. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna be back recording with Amy. Michelle
Speaker 1: Andrews from Shameless is filling me with a bit of
Speaker 1: confidence because she's returned three weeks postpartum on the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, maybe I can come back that quickly too. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to burst your bubble or anything, but
Speaker 1: she was missing from the next one and Anna bell
Speaker 1: Lee had to step in. I think someone was sick
Speaker 1: or something. Well she was back Thursday, so I mean,
Speaker 1: good on her, Like, it's pretty amazing she's been able
Speaker 1: to come back. She's had so much going on. I
Speaker 1: think we'll be able to come back and record a
Speaker 1: little bit because to break down the fourth wall, the
Speaker 1: recording bit is the easy bit, like it's the research
Speaker 1: doing the run sheet editing, you know, doing all the
Speaker 1: extra workoutside of actually recorded. Yeah, it's a tough bit.
Speaker 1: Do you know What's thrown me that we have a
Speaker 1: long weekend coming up, so it is the King's birthday
Speaker 1: and I want to put it out there. We are
Speaker 1: going to be releasing our final installment of our Sarah's
Speaker 1: Day deep dive. We've had so many dms asking when
Speaker 1: is the last installment coming out? Probably not the best
Speaker 1: timing after the flag that got for Tuesday's episode. Look,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of opinions out there. Clearly our
Speaker 1: opinion wasn't in the majority. Look, I remember saying during
Speaker 1: that segment that Sarah's Day was quite aware of how
Speaker 1: many feathers she was going to ruffle. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: my opinion would come across as so controversial, but evidently
Speaker 1: it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it's all about having an opinion podcast.
Speaker 1: You're not always going to align with listener's opinions, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it in enjoyable people sharing
Speaker 1: their opinion. I really enjoyed reading the group discussion because,
Speaker 1: like ah, a lot of people that send their kids
Speaker 1: to school actually like no holidays are more important. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean. People did point out that we're
Speaker 1: obviously not at that life stage where we're sending kids
Speaker 1: to school, so we're not school mums ourselves. No, I'll
Speaker 1: probably be thinking, oh okay, I might take a holidays
Speaker 1: during the term. Well. The thing that I also found
Speaker 1: really interesting in the Facebook discussion in our group was
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying that different states have different
Speaker 1: rules in terms of when kids start school. So for
Speaker 1: us in South Australia, most kids start school the year
Speaker 1: that they turned five, so that's why we were saying
Speaker 1: that we were quite surprised that Fox started at six.
Speaker 1: We've since had parents writing in saying that most of
Speaker 1: their kids do start school at six and it's really
Speaker 1: important for boys in particular to reach a maturity level
Speaker 1: where they feel confident and able to start. So it
Speaker 1: did open up some interesting discussions and points of view
Speaker 1: that I wasn't across. Yeah, I learned a lot about
Speaker 1: it and found it really helpful considering I have a
Speaker 1: son and I was like, God, when is he going
Speaker 1: to Yeah, we were doing the sums because with our
Speaker 1: kids being around a year apart, we were like, hold
Speaker 1: on a second, so Harry could go to school with
Speaker 1: my son, or he could go to school with Jack.
Speaker 1: So we try to do them bath It's a shame
Speaker 1: it's not our sons that are going in the same
Speaker 1: year because we live close by, like we could have
Speaker 1: shared the pickup and drop offs. I'm probably good for
Speaker 1: them then when we can still do that, they've just
Speaker 1: been different classes. Anyway, we hope you have an amazing
Speaker 1: long weekend, and thank you so much again for listening
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