WEBVTT - Tammy's Controversial Egypt Expedition 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.120 Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.600 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.200 Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.960 is slammed by animal activists for cruel tourist act. Olivia 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:18.400 Rodgers opens up about her ex moving on, and Jojo 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.240 Sewer and Chris Hughes make it official. The first Megan 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:26.560 Markle has released unseen footage of herself twerking before labor. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.720 The Duchess of Sussex shared a throwback video of her 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.879 and Prince Harry doing the viral baby Mamma dance. I 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.479 first came across this with no sound on it. It 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.800 was very early in the morning, and I actually thought 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.880 that it had been AI generated. I was like, holy fuck, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.040 what is this. Well, we were just talking about it 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.120 before and you didn't even know about the trend, so 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:47.960 you were like, what is going on? Because this is 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.040 a big trend on TikTok. A lot of women who 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.320 are about to give birth share themselves dancing to this song. See. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.040 I thought that they were just being creative and had 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.000 come up with it themselves. I'm like, oh wow, like 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.800 that's interesting. I absolutely loved Harry's cameo. He was playing 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.959 the daggy dad character, wasn't he And you could tell 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.080 that they were both taking the piss out of themselves, 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.640 which is what I quite enjoyed, because I think that 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.200 they've got a lot of flak recently, Megan in particular 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.520 for taking herself too seriously and trying to be too perfect. Well, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.840 Megan clearly can't do anything right because she has been 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.360 absolutely slammed in the press over this video. People are 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.320 saying it's cringe. There's been a lot of negative commentary 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.039 on social media. Someone wrote make it stop, hashtag cringe, 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.040 and another said everything they do to be relatable is 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.319 weirdly not relatable. It's bizarre how they never miss I 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.760 think it's evident to anyone who's listened to this podcast 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.319 that I'm a big Meghan Markle fan. But I did 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.920 cringe when I initially saw this video, and I just thought, 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.520 why are they doing this to themselves? Because they have 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.680 already faced a lot of criticism for being hypocritical when 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.440 it comes to their children's privacy. I mean, we've seen 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.040 the infamous South Park episode where it's like we want 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.880 privacy and over the past couple of days, for Lillabette's birthday, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.320 Meghan has shared a number of photos of her that 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.560 we've never seen before. The first couple you couldn't really 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.080 make out her face. She then shared a very cute 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.279 photo of Harry and Lillabet and then obviously this most 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.200 recent clip. We've got a real behind the scenes look 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.400 into how they were preparing for labor. And whilst I 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.720 think it's great, like I love seeing all these snippets, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.400 I just know that people are going to say, well, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.359 didn't you leave the royal family so your children could 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.000 have privacy, Like why are you sharing all of this? Yeah, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.840 But to defend them here, they want to be able 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.240 to control the images they put out rather than have 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.760 the press take paparazzi shots of them. So it's up 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.240 to them if they want to release these photos or not, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.560 and they obviously felt safe to do so as well 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.399 because they were images of Lillabette when she was a newborn, 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.799 and obviously now that she's four years old, she looks 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.280 very different. I always find it quite funny to see 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.359 the creative ways that celebrities and influencers hired their kids' 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.280 faces so that they can still post these beautiful photos online. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.600 They're always very artistic, aren't they. I found the caption 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.400 to this video also quite funny because Megan said, four 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.680 years ago today this also happened. Both of our children 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.280 were a week past their due date. So when spicy food, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.600 all that walking and acupuncture didn't work, there was only 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.079 one thing left to do. And all I could think 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.840 about was because there's obviously the old wives tale that 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.120 if you have sex it also brings on labor, and 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.160 I was like, did they miss that out or are 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:17.679 they trying to be a bit edgy like, you know, 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.799 lead everyone to thinking, well, did they do that as well? 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.080 They actually have the same thought. Another thing I couldn't 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.960 stop thinking about was whether any staff at this hospital 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.799 saw them doing the dance and how many times did 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.839 they do it to get it this good? I really 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.800 want to know where our listeners down on this one. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.640 Is it cringe or do you love it? I'm gonna 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:54.160 put up a question box on an Instagram story. Tammy 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.480 Hamburg's work trip to Egypt is currently under the spotlight. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.880 The og fitness influencer has been by animal activists for 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.280 riding a camel as well as offending locals with her attire. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.480 Before we get into the claims, Kate, can you give 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.800 listeners a bit of a background about the trip. Well, 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.080 this is a paid gig for Tammy, So she has 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.240 teamed up with a travel company called au Venturer to 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.719 host a group of travelers in Egypt. Now, the company 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.760 offers a range of travel packages to different destinations, alongside 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.680 special trips hosted by influencers and celebrities, and it's not 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.320 the first time Tammy has worked with the travel operator. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.200 So last year she also hosted a trip to Greece. Now, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.440 the big selling point of this trip was that you 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.880 were accompanied by Tammy Hembro as a guide alongside a 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.800 trained Egyptologist. We spoke about this trip briefly last week 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.520 and about how Tammy Hembro seemed to form quite a 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.360 connection with the rest of the women on the trips. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.640 She actually put up an Instagram story where she tagged 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.800 all of them in the post. So, as you said, Kate, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.159 the selling point really seems to be that you can 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.560 befriend Tammy in and you can hang out with her. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.680 I mean, the trip was even advertised as the Ancient 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:04.119 exp Edition with Tammy engined, and this wasn't a cheap trip. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.200 It costs travelers between six and seven thousand Australian dollars 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.440 depending on the room that you stayed in. Now, this week, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.080 photos and videos of Tammy riding a camel emerged on 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.280 social media. Tammy didn't upload the images herself, but instead 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.520 people spotted her in the background of other travelers photos. Yeah, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.159 she did share a photo of two camels from the 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.200 ride with the Pyramids in the background, so she did 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.000 acknowledge that she saw camels, just not that she actually 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.200 rode one. Now, the camel ride was part of the 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.320 planned itinery and that has been available on the tour 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.680 operator's website from the get go. On the website, it 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.560 says ride a camel on the high plateau with panoramic 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.120 views across the dunes. Now, clearly this was a planned 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:52.640 part of the trip. Now. Animal activist Bailey Nelson, who 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.840 runs Instagram account Warrior for Animals, was quick to call 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.160 Tammy out. He wrote, I am an animal rights campaigner 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.039 and am deeply disappointed Tammy hembro road abuse camels. I'm 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.160 glad the post has been removed, but more needs to 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.120 be done against exploitation in tourism. He also commented on 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.000 Tammy's post, I'm politely asking if you can do your 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.080 bit to end the exploitation of animals in tourism. I've 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.440 been supporting you for a long time, even praising you 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.080 for advocating for eating more plant based foods in twenty 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.440 twenty to help the environment and of course, animal welfare. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.400 The backlash was very swift. Tammy's Egypt post received a 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.279 flurry of angry commenters. One wrote, how about don't torture 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.200 animals and don't write a camel can't believe it's even 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.200 on the program. Another said do you have any idea 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.040 how they're being treated and how exhausted they are for 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.440 moronic tourists exploiting them for no fucking reason. The fallout 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.960 resulted in the travel company removing the activity from their 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.719 tour so under Tammy's post, they wrote update, we have 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.280 taken on feedback and removed the camel writing from our itinerary. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.000 They went on to share on their own Instagram account 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.680 a statement that read, we want to acknowledge concerns about 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.760 the camm riding during our Egypt trip. While this activity 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.320 was removed from the official itinerary, it still occurred we're 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.840 actively reviewing what happened and putting into places system to 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.560 ensure this does not happen on future trips. Thank you 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.320 for your feedback and accountability. We learn from this and 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.760 push forward. But I'm so confused. They're saying that they 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.440 removed the activity because it was inappropriate, but then they're 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.240 saying that it still occurred. Are they trying to put 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.160 blame on the tourists for going ahead with it? Well, 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.440 they're not taking accountability at all. I mean, this is 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.800 their fault. It's a part of their itinerary. It's on 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.880 their bloody website. It's still on their website that this 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.160 was a part of the planned itinerary for the Tammy 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.040 Hembro trip. Yeah, it doesn't really make much sense now 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.200 when you dig a little bit deeper. The abuse of 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.000 animals at Egyptian tourist spots has been in the spotlight 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.920 recently following a report published by Peter So. The report 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.880 highlighted the cruel conditions working animals as subjected to. It 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.239 found camels and horses used for tourist rides are being beaten, 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.560 hit on the testicles, and denied rest. That is so disturbing. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.080 Camels in particular, all so suffer from skin conditions because 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.119 they're not given adequate their treatment. And if that isn't 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.520 bad enough, when animals become injured or too old to work, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.960 they are left to die behind the pyramids. Peter actually 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.200 obtained footage of rotting animal corpses as well as six 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.160 injured animals left to staff and according to Peter, police 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.920 and a government officials are complicit in the abuse. So 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.960 they allege that police have been intimidating tourists and forcing 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.920 them to delete vision of abused animals from their phones. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.920 I'm just so thankful to organizations like Peter for actually 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.480 shining a light on this, because I was completely unaware 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.840 of it myself. And despite the Egyptian government pledging to 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.480 end the abuse, nothing has happened so far. They claimed 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.280 that they would launch an animal welfare program by twenty 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.880 twenty four, but that is yet to happen, and Peter 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.120 has continued to lobby the Egyptian government to introduce regulations 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.439 for working animals within the tourism sector. Yeah, and since 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.400 this report was released, a lot of tour operators in 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.959 Egypt have pledged not to offer Cameral rider as part 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.400 of their tours and this was only in March this year, 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.240 so clearly the travel company or venturer that Tammy partner 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.840 with did not. And I've only just done it now 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.560 to save face. What That's the thing. Tammy is copying 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.800 a lot of blame over this incident, but I also 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.880 think it lies with the travel company. They have literally 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:22.280 built a business of selling influencer run tours, so they're 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.600 the ones who are the experts in the industry. They 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.920 should really be doing proper research into these locations before 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.640 embarking on these sort of trips. I also think some 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.520 responsibility does lie with Tammy as well, though, because if 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.960 you're going to put your face to a tool like this, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.440 you should do some research and find out what are 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.079 the activities. Are these activities ethical? 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:41.440 Yeah? 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.160 Well, I'm a bit dubious to how much of a 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.439 travel guide she actually played on this trip, but considering 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.520 she was being paid, she should have done her due 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.160 diligence and done some research into the itinerary. This was 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.560 big news. I mean again, I have to admit it 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.679 wasn't something that I was aware of myself, and I'm 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.280 very thankful for organizations like Peter for actually bringing awareness 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.560 to these issues. But if I was going to put 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.880 my name and face to a tourism activity, I do 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:09.640 a bit of research to make sure that it was 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.840 an ethical one. Well, even if you're traveling to a country, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.520 normally you will do some research into what's going on there, 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.920 And particularly she has admitted that she has quite an 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.559 interest in Egypt, so and I mean the Egyptian government 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.200 is also to blame here, but as Peter has pointed out, 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.160 it's tourists who pay to take horse or camera rids 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.960 that are keeping these cruel operations in business. So people 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.760 really need to reflect on what they're doing now. Tammy's 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.240 Joseph clothing during her trip has also bothered some of 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.079 her followers. She has been called out for not dressing 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.280 appropriately in the very conservative Muslim country. In terms of 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.480 her outfit, she has posted some glamorous photos of her 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.560 posing in front of tourist sites, and in a few 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.200 of them she wore a headscarf alongside long pants or 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.680 a skirt on top, though she did wear some tight 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.480 t shirts and also crop tops showing off her midriff. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.920 In another photo, she was wearing a sleeveless dress that 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.000 showed a bit of side boob, and there were also 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.040 some images of her at the hotel pool swimming in 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:08.640 a bikini. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:09.120 Yeah. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.480 And in terms of the rules, it's advised that women 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.720 dress conservatively, So while travelers aren't held to the same 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.320 standard as local women, it's recommended that they wear loose 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.120 fitting clothes that cover at least from your shoulder to 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.720 below your knee. It's also recommended to pack long sleeve 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.880 shirts to slip over your outfits for more conservative areas. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.160 Is that in the hotel though, because I think she's 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:31.959 well within her right to wear a bikini in her 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.439 hotel pool. Yeah, so she's totally allowed to wear a 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.240 bikini at her hotel. There are no dramas there. While 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.079 will people sew up in arms about it, it seems like 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.160 they're just trying to be highly critical. Oh well, they 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.840 clearly are. I mean, in terms of spots that you 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.200 have to follow dress rules, you do have to wear 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.880 head coverings in a mosque, so she did do that. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.560 I mean, some of her clothes were probably too tight 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.680 for some of the locals. It was more just like 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.120 I noticed the photos, she would have the headscarf on 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.840 and she'd try and pull like a really sexy I 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.240 reckon it's more the boss that she was doing. Or 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.320 people were like, this just feels a bit wrong. Yeah, Well, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.360 as we've come to expect on Instagram people who are 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.240 very vocal with their opinions. One person wrote, pretty sure 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.080 this is cultural appropriation because you're not wearing that scarf 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.079 to cover your body. Another said a holiday to Egypt 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.720 or half naked is possibly one of the most tone 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.120 deaf things I've ever seen. Another person added, no hate, 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:23.960 but I would have thought showing a lot of skin 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.839 in a majority Muslim country would have been considered disrespectful now. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.199 Tammy responded to that comment, saying, we were told it's 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.600 fine people can wear bikinis of beach slash pools now 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.160 a middle of this controversy, Tammy is back home on 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.520 the Gold Coast with her kids at the moment, and 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.920 she's been sharing a lot about a New Zealand trip 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.440 she's got coming up with them, asking for suggestions and 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.640 explaining that she's going to be taking her kids there 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.800 very soon. Again, there is no mention of her husband that' 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.439 z Akassi coming on the trip. What is going on? 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.199 I just want them to put out a statement explaining 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.400 to us that they're not together anymore. Yeah, well, her 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.880 music tastes is very telling. She uploaded a video on 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.120 TikTok of her mind to the Taylor Swift banger get 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.839 Away Car. That is my favorite song and a bit 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.000 of a fun fact. When we went to Taylor's concert 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.080 in Melbourne, it was the surprise song. Well, it was 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.280 one of the surprise songs. She did a medley. I 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.280 was so excited when that started playing. Now, Tammy added 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.800 the caption, this song is currently on replay in my head. Now. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.520 I have been trying to keep up with Tammy snapchat 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.320 and the other day she was singing to get Away 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.839 Car in Coles. Now, it disturbs me that Coles that 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.280 started playing Taylor Swift because there's this saying that once 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.080 you start liking the music in the supermarket, it means 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.080 you're old. Anyway, So Tammy was miming to the song 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.280 and she was saying how embarrassed her kids were. Let's 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.800 throw to what she said were then to get awake. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.760 You guys should see how they're both looking at me 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:46.600 right now. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:48.319 Nice? 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:49.439 Do you like my singing? 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:50.040 No? 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.000 Like, do you know there's cameras in here? Because I 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.800 just started dancing. Look if I heard Taylor Swift on it, Coles, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.440 I think I'd be singing along time who. I found 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.640 it interesting the bit that she mimed too on TikTok, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.079 because it was the bit where it's I'm in the 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.400 getaway car. I left you in the motel bar, put 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.040 a money in the bag, and stole the key. That 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.760 was the last time you ever saw me. Pretty telling. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.360 Talking about Matt Sakowski, I have been very intrigued by 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.280 his podcast co host Adam macavoy's strategy when it comes 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.840 to sharing about her birth. She uploaded a TikTok and 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.800 Instagram reel yesterday where she said it's happening and she 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.760 was miming to that viral clip that says we're having 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.520 a baby. Fast forward twenty four hours, she has uploaded 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.440 another video where she does this transition from normal clothes 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.200 into scrubs and says we are meeting our son in 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:45.040 thirty minutes, and a lot of people have written in saying, hey, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.080 just heads up. She actually had her son ten days ago. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.200 This is all just being rolled out now. Yeah. Well, 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.240 she also dropped it she was having a planned c section, 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.720 hence the timing. I'm thinking did I do my c 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.960 section wrong? Because I was waiting around for ten hours 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.080 to go into the operating THEA. Should I have been 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.640 filming a bunch of tiktoks? Look, it was very poor 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.000 form of you to not film tiktoks. But I wonder 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.720 if she held off from announcing her baby news because 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.840 there's been a lot of focus on Steph Klaire Smith's 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.840 new daughter, Billy, which she announced on Friday last week. Yeah, 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.960 I think she's definitely trying to time it when she'll 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.000 get most impact in saying that we're recording late on 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.160 Thursday afternoon. I bet she does it tonight and this 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.880 will be old news. One. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.280 The Daily Mail loves to use my name in everything 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.440 they ever write about him, which I guess is just 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.160 part of what I do and my history with him. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.520 Olivia Rodgers has opened up about Howard feels seeing her 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.840 ex husband Justin mckinn move on and start a family 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.560 with someone else. The former Miss Universe contestant was undergoing 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.960 fertility treatment in the months leading up to the couple 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.320 Shocks split in October twenty twenty two, so I was 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.000 really surprised to see Olivia speak about this. Yeah, She's 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:58.160 usually pretty restrained and i'd say respectful when speaking about Justin. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.480 I mean, over the years, she has dropped a few 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.520 breadcrumbs here and there and alluded to things that have 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.200 gone on, but she's never given a tell all interview 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.240 which explicitly says I broke up with him for this reason. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.680 It does seem like since it hit the news that 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.600 he's been accused of stealing almost half a million dollars 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.200 from his former employer, that she has been letting a 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.840 few more details fly. Well, yeah, because I think that 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.360 it's given everyone an insight into potentially what she was 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.840 dealing with behind the scenes, so she hasn't really had 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.560 to explain it because everyone's sort of like, oh, I 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.640 get it now, it makes sense now. She is a 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.720 bit of a fiend for Q and a Box, and 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.720 on her podcast this week, she decided to answer listener questions. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.400 I would have loved to have known how many of 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.160 these were about Justin. Yeah, all of them always have 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.600 to do with her relationship. I feel like there must 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.160 have just been an overwhelming amount and she was like, Okay, 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.360 I've got to answer it. Because she ended up answering 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.680 this question. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.440 How does it feel seeing an ex move on and 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.880 start a family when you're not there yet. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.000 See you're saying that you think she may have been 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.720 pressured into it because a lot of people asked I 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.760 think she knows this is good content. I think she 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.760 knows that questions like this she can tease on social 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.520 media and get people to listen. I also think it's 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.840 her story to share as well. All of these things 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.000 happened to her, and as you said, Kat, I think 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.000 she feels more comfortable now people know a bit more 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.840 about Justin's character and what was going on behind the scenes. Now. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.600 Back in May, we have spoken about how Justin and 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.400 is on again off again bachelor girlfriend Tani Leeson welcomed 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.840 their son Alo, So this is obviously what this question 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.760 is about. And when that news broke, I think a 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.639 lot of us thought about Olivia and how she was feeling, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.480 because she's always been pretty vocal about wanting to start 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.440 a family, and as you touched on, she was undergoing 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.280 IVF treatment in the lead up to the couple's shock 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.880 separation back in twenty twenty two, and at the time, 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.600 Olivia said what she was grieving the most about that 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.399 relationship was the loss of the family life she envisioned 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.159 happening so soon now. Before Olivia answered the question, she 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.760 preface that the only reason she's willing to open up 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.760 about it is because she hoped it may help others 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.119 who are navigating a similar situation, and she explained that 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.080 she generally likes to avoid drama and headlines when she 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.080 can and is so sick of being included in daily 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.280 mail articles about Justin. She did say, though, that she 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.800 can understand why they do it because she's had a 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.840 history with him. Well, ultimately, he's only getting attention because 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.160 of her. Yeah, now let's have a listen to how 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.040 she answered this listener question. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:35.399 I am happy for my exes moving on. I don't 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:40.200 feel upset when I hear about it or see anything. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:46.919 And genuinely, I haven't felt negative about negatively about that 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.000 at all since we split. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:49.600 I think. 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.840 It really helped me to know that I had made 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.080 the right decision, because I never once looked back and 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.840 thought like, oh, that that could have been me, or 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.159 that should be me, Like I'm so confident in this 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.440 decision that I made, Like I don't think that we 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.560 were a good fit for each other, and so I 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.560 don't think that it would have been a good idea 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.359 to have children, and I think it's really good that 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.480 we didn't, so I wish them all the best. But 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.960 I don't feel sad seeing that. 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.719 Very mature response. I wonder if it's got anything to 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.679 do with the fact. And I do hate to speculate, 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.840 but I follow Tiny Lison on Instagram and it appears 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.640 like Justin is nowhere to be seen. He didn't feature 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.959 in the birth announcement, he didn't like it, didn't comment 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.480 on it. Well, I think she must be feeling like 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.359 she dodged an absolute bullet here and that she's so 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.200 relieved that she listened to her gut when she did. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.119 Olivia did say that while she wasn't upset by this 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.760