1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: is slammed by animal activists for cruel tourist act. Olivia 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Rodgers opens up about her ex moving on, and Jojo 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: Sewer and Chris Hughes make it official. The first Megan 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Markle has released unseen footage of herself twerking before labor. 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: The Duchess of Sussex shared a throwback video of her 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: and Prince Harry doing the viral baby Mamma dance. I 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: first came across this with no sound on it. It 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: was very early in the morning, and I actually thought 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: that it had been AI generated. I was like, holy fuck, 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: what is this. Well, we were just talking about it 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: before and you didn't even know about the trend, so 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: you were like, what is going on? Because this is 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: a big trend on TikTok. A lot of women who 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: are about to give birth share themselves dancing to this song. See. 18 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: I thought that they were just being creative and had 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: come up with it themselves. I'm like, oh wow, like 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I absolutely loved Harry's cameo. He was playing 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: the daggy dad character, wasn't he And you could tell 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: that they were both taking the piss out of themselves, 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: which is what I quite enjoyed, because I think that 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: they've got a lot of flak recently, Megan in particular 25 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: for taking herself too seriously and trying to be too perfect. Well, 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: Megan clearly can't do anything right because she has been 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: absolutely slammed in the press over this video. People are 28 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: saying it's cringe. There's been a lot of negative commentary 29 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: on social media. Someone wrote make it stop, hashtag cringe, 30 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: and another said everything they do to be relatable is 31 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: weirdly not relatable. It's bizarre how they never miss I 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: think it's evident to anyone who's listened to this podcast 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: that I'm a big Meghan Markle fan. But I did 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: cringe when I initially saw this video, and I just thought, 35 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: why are they doing this to themselves? Because they have 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: already faced a lot of criticism for being hypocritical when 37 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: it comes to their children's privacy. I mean, we've seen 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: the infamous South Park episode where it's like we want 39 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: privacy and over the past couple of days, for Lillabette's birthday, 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Meghan has shared a number of photos of her that 41 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: we've never seen before. The first couple you couldn't really 42 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: make out her face. She then shared a very cute 43 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,279 Speaker 1: photo of Harry and Lillabet and then obviously this most 44 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: recent clip. We've got a real behind the scenes look 45 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: into how they were preparing for labor. And whilst I 46 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: think it's great, like I love seeing all these snippets, 47 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: I just know that people are going to say, well, 48 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: didn't you leave the royal family so your children could 49 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: have privacy, Like why are you sharing all of this? Yeah, 50 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: But to defend them here, they want to be able 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: to control the images they put out rather than have 52 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: the press take paparazzi shots of them. So it's up 53 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: to them if they want to release these photos or not, 54 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: and they obviously felt safe to do so as well 55 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: because they were images of Lillabette when she was a newborn, 56 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: and obviously now that she's four years old, she looks 57 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: very different. I always find it quite funny to see 58 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: the creative ways that celebrities and influencers hired their kids' 59 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: faces so that they can still post these beautiful photos online. 60 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: They're always very artistic, aren't they. I found the caption 61 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: to this video also quite funny because Megan said, four 62 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: years ago today this also happened. Both of our children 63 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: were a week past their due date. So when spicy food, 64 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: all that walking and acupuncture didn't work, there was only 65 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: one thing left to do. And all I could think 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: about was because there's obviously the old wives tale that 67 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: if you have sex it also brings on labor, and 68 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: I was like, did they miss that out or are 69 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: they trying to be a bit edgy like, you know, 70 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: lead everyone to thinking, well, did they do that as well? 71 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: They actually have the same thought. Another thing I couldn't 72 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: stop thinking about was whether any staff at this hospital 73 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: saw them doing the dance and how many times did 74 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: they do it to get it this good? I really 75 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: want to know where our listeners down on this one. 76 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: Is it cringe or do you love it? I'm gonna 77 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: put up a question box on an Instagram story. Tammy 78 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: Hamburg's work trip to Egypt is currently under the spotlight. 79 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: The og fitness influencer has been by animal activists for 80 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: riding a camel as well as offending locals with her attire. 81 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: Before we get into the claims, Kate, can you give 82 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: listeners a bit of a background about the trip. Well, 83 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: this is a paid gig for Tammy, So she has 84 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: teamed up with a travel company called au Venturer to 85 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: host a group of travelers in Egypt. Now, the company 86 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: offers a range of travel packages to different destinations, alongside 87 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: special trips hosted by influencers and celebrities, and it's not 88 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: the first time Tammy has worked with the travel operator. 89 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: So last year she also hosted a trip to Greece. Now, 90 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: the big selling point of this trip was that you 91 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: were accompanied by Tammy Hembro as a guide alongside a 92 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: trained Egyptologist. We spoke about this trip briefly last week 93 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: and about how Tammy Hembro seemed to form quite a 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: connection with the rest of the women on the trips. 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: She actually put up an Instagram story where she tagged 96 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: all of them in the post. So, as you said, Kate, 97 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: the selling point really seems to be that you can 98 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: befriend Tammy in and you can hang out with her. 99 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the trip was even advertised as the Ancient 100 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 1: exp Edition with Tammy engined, and this wasn't a cheap trip. 101 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: It costs travelers between six and seven thousand Australian dollars 102 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: depending on the room that you stayed in. Now, this week, 103 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: photos and videos of Tammy riding a camel emerged on 104 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: social media. Tammy didn't upload the images herself, but instead 105 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: people spotted her in the background of other travelers photos. Yeah, 106 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: she did share a photo of two camels from the 107 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: ride with the Pyramids in the background, so she did 108 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: acknowledge that she saw camels, just not that she actually 109 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: rode one. Now, the camel ride was part of the 110 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: planned itinery and that has been available on the tour 111 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: operator's website from the get go. On the website, it 112 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: says ride a camel on the high plateau with panoramic 113 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: views across the dunes. Now, clearly this was a planned 114 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: part of the trip. Now. Animal activist Bailey Nelson, who 115 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: runs Instagram account Warrior for Animals, was quick to call 116 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: Tammy out. He wrote, I am an animal rights campaigner 117 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: and am deeply disappointed Tammy hembro road abuse camels. I'm 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: glad the post has been removed, but more needs to 119 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: be done against exploitation in tourism. He also commented on 120 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: Tammy's post, I'm politely asking if you can do your 121 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: bit to end the exploitation of animals in tourism. I've 122 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: been supporting you for a long time, even praising you 123 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: for advocating for eating more plant based foods in twenty 124 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: twenty to help the environment and of course, animal welfare. 125 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: The backlash was very swift. Tammy's Egypt post received a 126 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: flurry of angry commenters. One wrote, how about don't torture 127 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: animals and don't write a camel can't believe it's even 128 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: on the program. Another said do you have any idea 129 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: how they're being treated and how exhausted they are for 130 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: moronic tourists exploiting them for no fucking reason. The fallout 131 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: resulted in the travel company removing the activity from their 132 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: tour so under Tammy's post, they wrote update, we have 133 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: taken on feedback and removed the camel writing from our itinerary. 134 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: They went on to share on their own Instagram account 135 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: a statement that read, we want to acknowledge concerns about 136 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: the camm riding during our Egypt trip. While this activity 137 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: was removed from the official itinerary, it still occurred we're 138 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: actively reviewing what happened and putting into places system to 139 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: ensure this does not happen on future trips. Thank you 140 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: for your feedback and accountability. We learn from this and 141 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: push forward. But I'm so confused. They're saying that they 142 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: removed the activity because it was inappropriate, but then they're 143 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: saying that it still occurred. Are they trying to put 144 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: blame on the tourists for going ahead with it? Well, 145 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: they're not taking accountability at all. I mean, this is 146 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: their fault. It's a part of their itinerary. It's on 147 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: their bloody website. It's still on their website that this 148 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: was a part of the planned itinerary for the Tammy 149 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: Hembro trip. Yeah, it doesn't really make much sense now 150 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: when you dig a little bit deeper. The abuse of 151 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: animals at Egyptian tourist spots has been in the spotlight 152 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: recently following a report published by Peter So. The report 153 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: highlighted the cruel conditions working animals as subjected to. It 154 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: found camels and horses used for tourist rides are being beaten, 155 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: hit on the testicles, and denied rest. That is so disturbing. 156 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: Camels in particular, all so suffer from skin conditions because 157 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 1: they're not given adequate their treatment. And if that isn't 158 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: bad enough, when animals become injured or too old to work, 159 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: they are left to die behind the pyramids. Peter actually 160 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: obtained footage of rotting animal corpses as well as six 161 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: injured animals left to staff and according to Peter, police 162 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: and a government officials are complicit in the abuse. So 163 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: they allege that police have been intimidating tourists and forcing 164 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: them to delete vision of abused animals from their phones. 165 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm just so thankful to organizations like Peter for actually 166 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: shining a light on this, because I was completely unaware 167 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: of it myself. And despite the Egyptian government pledging to 168 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: end the abuse, nothing has happened so far. They claimed 169 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: that they would launch an animal welfare program by twenty 170 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: twenty four, but that is yet to happen, and Peter 171 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: has continued to lobby the Egyptian government to introduce regulations 172 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: for working animals within the tourism sector. Yeah, and since 173 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: this report was released, a lot of tour operators in 174 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: Egypt have pledged not to offer Cameral rider as part 175 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: of their tours and this was only in March this year, 176 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: so clearly the travel company or venturer that Tammy partner 177 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: with did not. And I've only just done it now 178 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: to save face. What That's the thing. Tammy is copying 179 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of blame over this incident, but I also 180 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: think it lies with the travel company. They have literally 181 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: built a business of selling influencer run tours, so they're 182 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: the ones who are the experts in the industry. They 183 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: should really be doing proper research into these locations before 184 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: embarking on these sort of trips. I also think some 185 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: responsibility does lie with Tammy as well, though, because if 186 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: you're going to put your face to a tool like this, 187 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: you should do some research and find out what are 188 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: the activities. Are these activities ethical? 189 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 190 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'm a bit dubious to how much of a 191 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: travel guide she actually played on this trip, but considering 192 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: she was being paid, she should have done her due 193 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: diligence and done some research into the itinerary. This was 194 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: big news. I mean again, I have to admit it 195 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: wasn't something that I was aware of myself, and I'm 196 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: very thankful for organizations like Peter for actually bringing awareness 197 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: to these issues. But if I was going to put 198 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: my name and face to a tourism activity, I do 199 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: a bit of research to make sure that it was 200 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: an ethical one. Well, even if you're traveling to a country, 201 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: normally you will do some research into what's going on there, 202 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: And particularly she has admitted that she has quite an 203 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: interest in Egypt, so and I mean the Egyptian government 204 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: is also to blame here, but as Peter has pointed out, 205 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: it's tourists who pay to take horse or camera rids 206 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: that are keeping these cruel operations in business. So people 207 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: really need to reflect on what they're doing now. Tammy's 208 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: Joseph clothing during her trip has also bothered some of 209 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: her followers. She has been called out for not dressing 210 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: appropriately in the very conservative Muslim country. In terms of 211 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: her outfit, she has posted some glamorous photos of her 212 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: posing in front of tourist sites, and in a few 213 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: of them she wore a headscarf alongside long pants or 214 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: a skirt on top, though she did wear some tight 215 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: t shirts and also crop tops showing off her midriff. 216 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: In another photo, she was wearing a sleeveless dress that 217 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: showed a bit of side boob, and there were also 218 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: some images of her at the hotel pool swimming in 219 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: a bikini. 220 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 221 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: And in terms of the rules, it's advised that women 222 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: dress conservatively, So while travelers aren't held to the same 223 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: standard as local women, it's recommended that they wear loose 224 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: fitting clothes that cover at least from your shoulder to 225 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: below your knee. It's also recommended to pack long sleeve 226 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: shirts to slip over your outfits for more conservative areas. 227 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: Is that in the hotel though, because I think she's 228 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: well within her right to wear a bikini in her 229 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: hotel pool. Yeah, so she's totally allowed to wear a 230 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: bikini at her hotel. There are no dramas there. While 231 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: will people sew up in arms about it, it seems like 232 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: they're just trying to be highly critical. Oh well, they 233 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: clearly are. I mean, in terms of spots that you 234 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: have to follow dress rules, you do have to wear 235 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: head coverings in a mosque, so she did do that. 236 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean, some of her clothes were probably too tight 237 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: for some of the locals. It was more just like 238 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: I noticed the photos, she would have the headscarf on 239 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: and she'd try and pull like a really sexy I 240 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: reckon it's more the boss that she was doing. Or 241 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: people were like, this just feels a bit wrong. Yeah, Well, 242 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: as we've come to expect on Instagram people who are 243 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: very vocal with their opinions. One person wrote, pretty sure 244 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: this is cultural appropriation because you're not wearing that scarf 245 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: to cover your body. Another said a holiday to Egypt 246 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: or half naked is possibly one of the most tone 247 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: deaf things I've ever seen. Another person added, no hate, 248 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: but I would have thought showing a lot of skin 249 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: in a majority Muslim country would have been considered disrespectful now. 250 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: Tammy responded to that comment, saying, we were told it's 251 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: fine people can wear bikinis of beach slash pools now 252 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: a middle of this controversy, Tammy is back home on 253 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: the Gold Coast with her kids at the moment, and 254 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: she's been sharing a lot about a New Zealand trip 255 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: she's got coming up with them, asking for suggestions and 256 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: explaining that she's going to be taking her kids there 257 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: very soon. Again, there is no mention of her husband that' 258 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: z Akassi coming on the trip. What is going on? 259 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: I just want them to put out a statement explaining 260 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: to us that they're not together anymore. Yeah, well, her 261 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: music tastes is very telling. She uploaded a video on 262 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: TikTok of her mind to the Taylor Swift banger get 263 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: Away Car. That is my favorite song and a bit 264 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: of a fun fact. When we went to Taylor's concert 265 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: in Melbourne, it was the surprise song. Well, it was 266 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: one of the surprise songs. She did a medley. I 267 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: was so excited when that started playing. Now, Tammy added 268 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: the caption, this song is currently on replay in my head. Now. 269 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: I have been trying to keep up with Tammy snapchat 270 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: and the other day she was singing to get Away 271 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: Car in Coles. Now, it disturbs me that Coles that 272 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: started playing Taylor Swift because there's this saying that once 273 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: you start liking the music in the supermarket, it means 274 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: you're old. Anyway, So Tammy was miming to the song 275 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: and she was saying how embarrassed her kids were. Let's 276 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: throw to what she said were then to get awake. 277 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: You guys should see how they're both looking at me 278 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: right now. 279 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 2: Nice? 280 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: Do you like my singing? 281 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: No? 282 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: Like, do you know there's cameras in here? Because I 283 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: just started dancing. Look if I heard Taylor Swift on it, Coles, 284 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: I think I'd be singing along time who. I found 285 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: it interesting the bit that she mimed too on TikTok, 286 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: because it was the bit where it's I'm in the 287 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: getaway car. I left you in the motel bar, put 288 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: a money in the bag, and stole the key. That 289 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: was the last time you ever saw me. Pretty telling. 290 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: Talking about Matt Sakowski, I have been very intrigued by 291 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: his podcast co host Adam macavoy's strategy when it comes 292 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: to sharing about her birth. She uploaded a TikTok and 293 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: Instagram reel yesterday where she said it's happening and she 294 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: was miming to that viral clip that says we're having 295 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: a baby. Fast forward twenty four hours, she has uploaded 296 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: another video where she does this transition from normal clothes 297 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: into scrubs and says we are meeting our son in 298 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: thirty minutes, and a lot of people have written in saying, hey, 299 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: just heads up. She actually had her son ten days ago. 300 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: This is all just being rolled out now. Yeah. Well, 301 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: she also dropped it she was having a planned c section, 302 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: hence the timing. I'm thinking did I do my c 303 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: section wrong? Because I was waiting around for ten hours 304 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: to go into the operating THEA. Should I have been 305 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: filming a bunch of tiktoks? Look, it was very poor 306 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: form of you to not film tiktoks. But I wonder 307 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: if she held off from announcing her baby news because 308 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of focus on Steph Klaire Smith's 309 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: new daughter, Billy, which she announced on Friday last week. Yeah, 310 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: I think she's definitely trying to time it when she'll 311 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: get most impact in saying that we're recording late on 312 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. I bet she does it tonight and this 313 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: will be old news. One. 314 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: The Daily Mail loves to use my name in everything 315 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: they ever write about him, which I guess is just 316 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: part of what I do and my history with him. 317 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers has opened up about Howard feels seeing her 318 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: ex husband Justin mckinn move on and start a family 319 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: with someone else. The former Miss Universe contestant was undergoing 320 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: fertility treatment in the months leading up to the couple 321 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: Shocks split in October twenty twenty two, so I was 322 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: really surprised to see Olivia speak about this. Yeah, She's 323 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: usually pretty restrained and i'd say respectful when speaking about Justin. 324 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean, over the years, she has dropped a few 325 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: breadcrumbs here and there and alluded to things that have 326 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: gone on, but she's never given a tell all interview 327 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: which explicitly says I broke up with him for this reason. 328 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: It does seem like since it hit the news that 329 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: he's been accused of stealing almost half a million dollars 330 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: from his former employer, that she has been letting a 331 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: few more details fly. Well, yeah, because I think that 332 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: it's given everyone an insight into potentially what she was 333 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: dealing with behind the scenes, so she hasn't really had 334 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: to explain it because everyone's sort of like, oh, I 335 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: get it now, it makes sense now. She is a 336 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: bit of a fiend for Q and a Box, and 337 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: on her podcast this week, she decided to answer listener questions. 338 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: I would have loved to have known how many of 339 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: these were about Justin. Yeah, all of them always have 340 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: to do with her relationship. I feel like there must 341 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: have just been an overwhelming amount and she was like, Okay, 342 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I've got to answer it. Because she ended up answering 343 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: this question. 344 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: How does it feel seeing an ex move on and 345 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: start a family when you're not there yet. 346 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: See you're saying that you think she may have been 347 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: pressured into it because a lot of people asked I 348 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: think she knows this is good content. I think she 349 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: knows that questions like this she can tease on social 350 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: media and get people to listen. I also think it's 351 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: her story to share as well. All of these things 352 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: happened to her, and as you said, Kat, I think 353 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: she feels more comfortable now people know a bit more 354 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: about Justin's character and what was going on behind the scenes. Now. 355 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: Back in May, we have spoken about how Justin and 356 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: is on again off again bachelor girlfriend Tani Leeson welcomed 357 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: their son Alo, So this is obviously what this question 358 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: is about. And when that news broke, I think a 359 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: lot of us thought about Olivia and how she was feeling, 360 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: because she's always been pretty vocal about wanting to start 361 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: a family, and as you touched on, she was undergoing 362 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: IVF treatment in the lead up to the couple's shock 363 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: separation back in twenty twenty two, and at the time, 364 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Olivia said what she was grieving the most about that 365 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: relationship was the loss of the family life she envisioned 366 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: happening so soon now. Before Olivia answered the question, she 367 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: preface that the only reason she's willing to open up 368 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: about it is because she hoped it may help others 369 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: who are navigating a similar situation, and she explained that 370 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: she generally likes to avoid drama and headlines when she 371 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: can and is so sick of being included in daily 372 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: mail articles about Justin. She did say, though, that she 373 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: can understand why they do it because she's had a 374 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: history with him. Well, ultimately, he's only getting attention because 375 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: of her. Yeah, now let's have a listen to how 376 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: she answered this listener question. 377 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: I am happy for my exes moving on. I don't 378 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 3: feel upset when I hear about it or see anything. 379 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 3: And genuinely, I haven't felt negative about negatively about that 380 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: at all since we split. 381 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: I think. 382 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: It really helped me to know that I had made 383 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: the right decision, because I never once looked back and 384 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: thought like, oh, that that could have been me, or 385 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 3: that should be me, Like I'm so confident in this 386 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: decision that I made, Like I don't think that we 387 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: were a good fit for each other, and so I 388 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: don't think that it would have been a good idea 389 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: to have children, and I think it's really good that 390 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: we didn't, so I wish them all the best. But 391 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 3: I don't feel sad seeing that. 392 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: Very mature response. I wonder if it's got anything to 393 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: do with the fact. And I do hate to speculate, 394 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: but I follow Tiny Lison on Instagram and it appears 395 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: like Justin is nowhere to be seen. He didn't feature 396 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: in the birth announcement, he didn't like it, didn't comment 397 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: on it. Well, I think she must be feeling like 398 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: she dodged an absolute bullet here and that she's so 399 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: relieved that she listened to her gut when she did. 400 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: Olivia did say that while she wasn't upset by this 401 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: recent news, she'd be lying if she didn't admit that 402 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: over the years she has struggled with not knowing when 403 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: it's going to be her turn to have a family 404 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: and feeling like she's behind and not at that life 405 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: stage that she expected to be in. I also really 406 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: loved in this podcast, asked how she shared two excerpts 407 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: from her diary. So this was a diary that she 408 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: was actually keeping in Bali when she was traveling with 409 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: her other ex Morgan Waterhouse, and she said during the 410 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: trip she purchased a diary because she felt like she 411 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: was having a midlife or quarter life crisis and needed 412 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: to write down her thoughts. So this diary entry was 413 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: dated August fourth, twenty twenty three. Let's have a listen 414 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: to what she wrote. 415 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: Mentally, I've felt pretty good most of the time in Bali, 416 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: but I've had my moments, like quite overwhelming moments where 417 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: I'm questioning myself, my job, where I'm at in my life, etc. 418 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: I suppose when I reflect on what's happened over the 419 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: last year, it's to be expected. This time last year, 420 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 3: I was en route to the USA with my husband 421 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 3: and we had such a rocky trip back then in 422 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: a year's time, I definitely pictured myself as a mum, married, settled, 423 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: not traveling through Bali for a month old How things 424 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: can change so much. A couple of days later, I wrote, 425 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: I've had a great deal of self doubt lately, and 426 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: this fear of aging, fear of not being where I 427 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: should be out in my life, eg. Not having kids, etc. 428 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: I felt sad when I saw a toddler with his 429 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: young parents by the pool. Today I find myself wondering 430 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: when that will be me. But I also stopped myself 431 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: and remind myself that what I do have right now 432 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: is pretty amazing. Being grateful helps, and I'm focusing on that. 433 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: I think it's quite clear that Olivia did a lot 434 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: of soul searching on this trip. Me being a massive snoop, 435 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: I had to go back and look at her TikTok 436 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: to see exactly who she was with on the trip, 437 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: what she was doing, because while she was there with 438 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: Morgan Waterhouse, she actually spent the first couple of weeks 439 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: with her mum, and then she did a bit of 440 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: solo traveling, and it's quite clear that she had a 441 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: lot of time to be by herself and reflect. And 442 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: I potentially think she did a lot of reflection on 443 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: her relationship with Morgan, because when I looked back at 444 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: the dates, that is around the time that he mysteriously 445 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: disappeared from her feed, like right after the trip. So 446 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: they went to Balley, looked like they had a great time, 447 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, everyone's like, where is it? 448 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: He did a bit of a mat Zakowski and disappeared. 449 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: I was in Balley at a similar time on my honeymoon, 450 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: and I kept seeing all her extremely glamorous photos of 451 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: them doing their little photo shoots, and I mean, I 452 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: couldn't even get my husband to take one photo of 453 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: me on the trip. And it's so funny because they 454 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: looked so glamorous and so in love and everything was perfect, 455 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: but clearly it wasn't. And I think this is really 456 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: great for Olivia to share what was actually going on 457 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. All I could think, too, was it 458 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: was very trusting of her to write down these deep 459 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: personal thoughts when she was on vacation with someone relatively new. 460 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: I would be worried that they would go and read it. 461 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe everyone isn't nosy like me and would 462 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: invade someone's privacy like that, But you know, it's pretty 463 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: brave to leave that lying around. If she did, I 464 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: wonder if it was under lock and key. She also 465 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: had the foresight to say that the reason she probably 466 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: hasn't struggled with this news as much is because she's 467 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: in a really great relationship now, and she also feels 468 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: confident that she's frozen her eggs. So she did really 469 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: gush about her new boyfriend, Hugo. She said that she 470 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: genuinely thinks she's found the right person for her to 471 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: have a family with. So this has got me really excited. 472 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: I feel like we are on engagement watch with this couple, 473 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: and I, for one, I'm ready for another epic Olivia 474 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: Rodgers wedding. Hopefully she unblocks us by them, because I'd 475 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: like to see the phone please, Olivia. We're big fans. 476 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: Dream Case podcast. Right, yeah, yeah, you answer the question? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, what's. 477 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: Up with that? After weeks of speculation and a hell 478 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: of a lot of soft launching, Jojo Siwa and Chris 479 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: Hughes have confirmed they are together. The pair controversially met 480 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: on Celebrity Big Brother UK when the former dance mum 481 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: Start was in a relationship with Ossie content creator Kath 482 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: Ebbs and so for if those are not across it, 483 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: can you bring us quickly up to speed? Well. As 484 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: soon as Jojo and Chris met in the UK Big 485 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: Brother House, it was clear that they had an instant connection, 486 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,239 Speaker 1: and while they did describe their bond as platonic, there 487 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: were several incidents that raised concern not only amongst viewers 488 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: but also their housemates. So in the house they were 489 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: very physically affectionate. There were a lot of cuddles in bed, 490 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: massages and head scratches, and this was very early on. 491 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: There was also a bit of a weird incident in 492 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: the hot tub when Jojo was sitting on Chris's lap 493 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: and they were accused of sharing a forehead kiss. I 494 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: love how primary school he is they kissed in the forehead. 495 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: Another big moment for Jojo on the show was when 496 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: she declared she'd come to this realization about her sexuality, 497 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: and she said she's always told herself she's a lesbian, 498 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: but being in the house made her realize that she's 499 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 1: not a lesbian, she's queer. This was a pretty bold 500 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: admission to make when your partner is outside watching on 501 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: at home, because it was quite clear that this revelation 502 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: ca because of her growing feelings for Chris. Yeah, and 503 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: despite all of these online theories and chat about Chris 504 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: and Jojo being more than friends, Kath flew over to 505 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: the UK to be by JoJo's side in the finale, However, 506 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: Jojo dumped Kath at the rap party just hours later. 507 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: After the show, Jojo and Chris appeared on a couple 508 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: of talk shows together, and they both continued to toe 509 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: this line that nothing was going on and that their 510 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: relationship was platonic, and they kept saying that they had 511 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: a soulmate friendship, which was a bit wanky. I was like, 512 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: what do you mean, you just clearly have the hots 513 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: for each other. Oh, it just annoyed me because it's like, 514 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: you clearly dumped your partner to be with this guy. 515 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: At least be honest about it. Yeah, and all this 516 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: breadcrumbing of their relationship, like JoJo's been posting all these 517 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: photos of her face timing Chris and suddenly she likes 518 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: drinking English tea and her new favorite meal is spaghetti 519 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: who which is what Chris like? And also the way 520 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: she keeps calling him Christopher, sweet Christopher. Is it because 521 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: it's like I know him better because I call him 522 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: his real name? Or is it because he's from the 523 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: UK and she thinks it kind of sounds more sophisticated. 524 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: I think it probably started off as a flirtatious thing 525 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: where you can you know, oh, Christopher. I've actually become 526 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: a quite a big fan of Jojo. I didn't really 527 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: like her before, but I like Joel so Joel is 528 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: her UK personality. She's a bit more erst and down 529 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: to Earth And I don't know why, but I am 530 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: actually shipping this relationship, even though I feel so sorry 531 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: for Calf. I think it's because you didn't watch Love 532 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: Island and you don't know who Chris Hughes is. Not 533 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: that he was unlikable on the show. I really liked him, 534 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: but he sounds like a bit of a cloud chaser 535 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: if anything. Yeah, he's a cloud chaser. I mean he's 536 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: been with that girl from Little Mix, what was a 537 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: Jesse from Little Mix? Like he's been Olivia Utwood. Yeah, 538 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: he's been with a lot of high profile women and 539 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: Jojo sewat is not his typical type. I have seen 540 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: people on TikTok saying, can you imagine if Jojo Sewah 541 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: popped up on his series of Love Island, he would 542 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: be he was a child then yeah, but if she was, 543 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, the same mate, would he be taking it 544 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: to the fire pit to have a chat? No, he wouldn't. 545 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: We don't know. I mean they might have clicked on 546 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: this personality level that we're not deep enough to get. Oh, 547 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: we don't think Chris Hughes is interested in the amount 548 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: of followers that she has. Now he's an international name. Well, 549 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: last week they looked like they were getting very cozy 550 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: because Jojo returned to the UK to perform a series 551 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: of shows there and they both uploaded a ton of 552 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: photos with their arms wrapped around each other, and Jojo 553 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: shared that Chris got her all of these little birthday presents. 554 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: And Jojo took it a step further when she performed 555 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: the cover of Betty Davis Eyes for her UK fans 556 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: and she changed the lyrics to say, Chris Hughes eyes. 557 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: We actually spoke about this on the Subs episode last week. Again, 558 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: it's also performative and intention seeking. Yeah, a lot of 559 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: people are thinking that this is a publicity's done. And 560 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: on Sunday, Chris all but confirmed their relationship with a 561 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: photo that he shared to Snapchat. So it was kind 562 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: of this seedy looking blurred photo where Jojo was lying 563 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: across his chest in bed and he was shirtless and 564 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: she was sort of pretending to be asleep, which everyone 565 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, and he captured the photo 566 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: sleeping beauty. 567 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: God. 568 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: It's just so attention seeking, isn't it. Did you see 569 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: people say it looked like a newborn shoe, maybe because 570 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: of the age gap, but a few days later, during 571 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: an interview with the Guardian, Jojo finally confirmed the news. 572 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: So she was straight up asked by a journo whether 573 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: the relationship was romantic or platonic, and after what the 574 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: journalist said was a full twenty seconds of silent grinning, 575 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: Jojo said she is currently dating Chris, who she refers 576 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: to as sweet Christopher. She said, it's not platonic anymore, 577 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: and it's been a beautiful development, a beautiful connection, and 578 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely head over heels for him, and he's the 579 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: same way. A bit awkward to be like, Oh, he's 580 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: head over heels for me. I think she's saying that though, 581 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: because a lot of the commentary has been that he 582 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: looks like he's trapped and he's fucked up. Yeah, I've 583 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: seen those online now. When asked if this was all 584 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: for press attention, Jojo said, clearly, you've never been around us. 585 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: I won't speak for him, but for me personally, the 586 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: happiness in my life just radiates off me right now. 587 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: Literally yesterday I was massaging my cheeks. I've never been 588 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: in pain from smiling so much. Kay, I want to know, 589 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: have you ever been in a relationship with your cheeks 590 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,959 Speaker 1: was so sore from smiling. I remember when I started 591 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 1: dating Reese that I was pretty happy with myself because 592 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: we started with a platonic friendship as well. So maybe 593 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: it's when you've known the person and finally you get 594 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: to be with them. Well, so you actually were having 595 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: to massage your cheeks because you were smiling that much. No, 596 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't, but I was genuinely pretty thrill with right. 597 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: No. 598 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like the performance of it all, 599 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: because I've actually seen her when she was performing on stage, 600 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: and I think it was when she did the whole 601 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: Chris Hughes eyes thing. There's a clip of her actually 602 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: massaging her cheeks because Chris was in the crowd and 603 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: just saying, I just so happy. I don't know, to me, 604 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: is that a bit much? This is how girls of 605 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: this age act. They get head over heels rush into 606 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: this relationship. I mean, I don't know how logistically it's 607 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: going to work. He's a thirty two year old English guy. Well, 608 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of discussion about this age gap 609 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: between them, and also debate about how much Chris knew 610 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: about JoJo's music career before they met, because a lot 611 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: of people have called him opportunistic, but others have pointed 612 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: out that because he doesn't really fit into her gen 613 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: Z demographic, maybe he was unaware of her public persona 614 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: because I've kept seeing all these dick dogs or people 615 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: are like, the second he gets out of the house 616 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: and sees the Karma clip, He's like, holy fuck all. 617 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: I hardly think he was being strategic about it. She 618 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: literally entered the house as a lesbian with a partner. 619 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to have pretty big tickets on 620 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: yourself to think, oh yeah, oh winner. Over that being said, 621 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: Kath dropped a pretty interesting insight on their podcast. They 622 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: were interviewed by Claire Stevens, and they revealed that before 623 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: Jojo went into the house, they actually mentioned the whole 624 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: Drew and Tully scenario which Tully entered the house in 625 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: a relationship with a woman and then obviously she cheated Withdrew, 626 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and the fact that Jojo actually knew about it. I 627 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: was like, isn't that bizarre? It is bizarre. But do 628 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: I think that she purposely carried it out to get attention? No? No, 629 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: I think she genuinely really likes Chris. I think that 630 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: there's a genuine connection there. Well, JoJo's had a pretty 631 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: good test for Chris to see if he's in this 632 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: for the long haul and whether he is getting cringed 633 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: out by some of her behavior, because she decided to 634 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: show him a viral clip that has been haunting her 635 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: for over a year now. So in the clip, Jojo 636 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: is being interviewed on the red carpet and she's wearing 637 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: face paint, which resembles what the guys from Kiss were. 638 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what she said in the 639 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: interview real yes to my podcast. 640 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I mean, honestly, let's my think, not 641 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: one of my axes. 642 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: I actually had to watch this a few times to 643 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: get it because it wasn't obvious to me. I had 644 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: to read the comments, and basically people were ripping into 645 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: her because she thought what she responded was really funny 646 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: and kind of stepped back to be like, oh wow, 647 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: well I think, And it wasn't well I think because 648 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: she said it so enthusiastically dream Guests and my podcast, 649 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: and I think it was also done to what she 650 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: was wearing. Now, someone else who was confused by this 651 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: clip was Chris Hughes. Let's have a listen to what 652 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: he said about it. 653 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't get it. I don't get it. Perfect 654 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: dream case on my podcast, right, yeah, yeah you answered 655 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: the question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up with that? You know, 656 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: just my voice and what I looked like. People just 657 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: love to pick on me though. Yeah, when you get 658 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 2: like when you get when you get into something, your 659 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: voice rasty, can you try to say dream guess my 660 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: podcast the way that I did in that video? Dream 661 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: yess on my podcast? Yeah? What do you think of that? 662 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: Is it Halloween thing? 663 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: No thing? No? That was no nice. I like it, 664 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, Bob. It's different, thank you. It was That's 665 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 2: what I looked like in the Karma music video. So 666 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: oh yes, yeah, you're just doing that. I like it 667 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: on your chin, it goes from your chin through Yeah, 668 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: dream yess on my podcast. Oh god here. 669 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: Issues. 670 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't either, but the world had a lot 671 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: of fun with it. Yeah. 672 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: He sounded so cute, like I can see why she's 673 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: into him. Like his response was very darling. Yeah, I 674 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: feel like he answered it so diplomatically. That shows someone 675 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: who is in their thirties, he's tuned a lot of 676 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: girls before. Well, he would give you the ick though, 677 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't it. Oh? I love how he's like, I like 678 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: that little thing on your chin, like that looks good? 679 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: What the fuck is this? Well? I got myself here. 680 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: I've just been thinking about poor Cath in all of 681 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: this and how they're faring, because in their recent podcast, 682 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: it was recorded when they still believe that this relationship 683 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: was platonic and nothing was going on. This week, Kath 684 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: did share a TikTok of them dancing with text over 685 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: the top that said shaking my ass instead of crashing 686 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: the fuck out, and then caption the post happy Pride 687 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: month Now. Followers were quick to assume that Kath was 688 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: taking a swipe at Jojo, so one user wrote, or 689 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: perhaps move on she has, to which Kath responded, I 690 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: think it's time you move on. I have. Another said 691 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm happy for Joe, to which Cath said same. This 692 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with her wishing them the best. 693 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: This is very layered and I agree with what Kath 694 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: said in their podcast. If their relationship with Jojo was 695 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: a heterosexual one, then Jojo would have been the villain 696 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: and Chris would have been painted as a home wrecker. Yeah, 697 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: Whereas because Jojo was in a lesbian relationship. People are like, oh, well, 698 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: you know, she's seen the light. She wants a man. 699 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: That's exactly what people are viewing this as, which invent 700 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: Tree has been repulsive online, Like I don't even want 701 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: to repeat some of the things that have been said, 702 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: but it's oh, you know, she's had a factory reset now, 703 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: Like it's absolutely appalling, and I can't believe in this 704 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: day and age people actually share that opinion. And then 705 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: people try and make excuses like, oh, they were only 706 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: together for a couple of months. It's like, so what, 707 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: this was a legitimate relationship. One person has emotionally cheated, 708 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: And while I don't think it's fair to have some 709 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: witch hunt, I do think though, we should have some 710 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: sympathy for Kath, who was mourning their relationship. You can 711 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: also see from the way that Jojo is with Chris, 712 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: she goes from zero to one hundred very quickly. Yeah, 713 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: as she seems like a bit of a love bomber. 714 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm guessing maybe she was like that with Kath Ebbs 715 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: as well. Let's get into our Friday debrief and it's 716 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: been a big week for me as a mum because 717 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: Jack took his first steps so on Wednesday night, we 718 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 1: always have family dinner at my parents' house, and he'd 719 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: kind of been standing up and kind of going back 720 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: and forth on one foot, and I was like, he's 721 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: so close, He's going to do it. So he actually 722 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: ended up walking towards Amy. Amy had a soft toy 723 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: penguin in front of her and coaxed him across whilst 724 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: I was filming, and it was just such a magical moment. 725 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: Everyone was so proud and cheering him on, and he 726 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: looked so impressed with himself. It was so exciting, and 727 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: I love that we actually captured it on video. I 728 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: feel like we've always got our cameras rolling because you 729 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: also got a moment of him pulling Harry's dummy out 730 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: and Harry just looking so shocked. Oh, it was so 731 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: funny because he did it the other day. Amy greeted 732 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: us at the door, and it was like Jack was like, yank, 733 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: thank you, and it was like pop out of his mouth. 734 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: But at least he did say tar It's very polite. 735 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: I honestly feel this week like time is going so quickly. 736 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: I think it's because I officially received my C section 737 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: date and there is a bit of a story behind it, 738 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: but we roughly share about that once the baby is born, 739 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: because it's quite funny. But yeah, it's just all feeling 740 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: more real now that I can count down the days. 741 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: And I think it's scary also because we're like, fuck, 742 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: like Amy's gonna have to come back. I'm gonna go 743 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: and leave. Like it's all becoming more real. You've only 744 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: just got into this routine of going to your house. Now. 745 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna be back recording with Amy. Michelle 746 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: Andrews from Shameless is filling me with a bit of 747 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: confidence because she's returned three weeks postpartum on the podcast, 748 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, maybe I can come back that quickly too. Well, 749 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to burst your bubble or anything, but 750 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: she was missing from the next one and Anna bell 751 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: Lee had to step in. I think someone was sick 752 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: or something. Well she was back Thursday, so I mean, 753 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: good on her, Like, it's pretty amazing she's been able 754 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: to come back. She's had so much going on. I 755 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: think we'll be able to come back and record a 756 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: little bit because to break down the fourth wall, the 757 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: recording bit is the easy bit, like it's the research 758 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: doing the run sheet editing, you know, doing all the 759 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: extra workoutside of actually recorded. Yeah, it's a tough bit. 760 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: Do you know What's thrown me that we have a 761 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: long weekend coming up, so it is the King's birthday 762 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: and I want to put it out there. We are 763 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: going to be releasing our final installment of our Sarah's 764 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: Day deep dive. We've had so many dms asking when 765 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: is the last installment coming out? Probably not the best 766 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: timing after the flag that got for Tuesday's episode. Look, 767 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: there were a lot of opinions out there. Clearly our 768 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: opinion wasn't in the majority. Look, I remember saying during 769 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: that segment that Sarah's Day was quite aware of how 770 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: many feathers she was going to ruffle. I didn't realize 771 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: my opinion would come across as so controversial, but evidently 772 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: it did. 773 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 774 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: I think that's what it's all about having an opinion podcast. 775 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: You're not always going to align with listener's opinions, and 776 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it in enjoyable people sharing 777 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: their opinion. I really enjoyed reading the group discussion because, 778 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: like ah, a lot of people that send their kids 779 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: to school actually like no holidays are more important. That's 780 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: the thing. I mean. People did point out that we're 781 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: obviously not at that life stage where we're sending kids 782 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: to school, so we're not school mums ourselves. No, I'll 783 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: probably be thinking, oh okay, I might take a holidays 784 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: during the term. Well. The thing that I also found 785 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: really interesting in the Facebook discussion in our group was 786 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people saying that different states have different 787 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: rules in terms of when kids start school. So for 788 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: us in South Australia, most kids start school the year 789 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: that they turned five, so that's why we were saying 790 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: that we were quite surprised that Fox started at six. 791 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: We've since had parents writing in saying that most of 792 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: their kids do start school at six and it's really 793 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: important for boys in particular to reach a maturity level 794 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: where they feel confident and able to start. So it 795 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: did open up some interesting discussions and points of view 796 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: that I wasn't across. Yeah, I learned a lot about 797 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: it and found it really helpful considering I have a 798 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: son and I was like, God, when is he going 799 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: to Yeah, we were doing the sums because with our 800 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: kids being around a year apart, we were like, hold 801 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: on a second, so Harry could go to school with 802 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: my son, or he could go to school with Jack. 803 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: So we try to do them bath It's a shame 804 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: it's not our sons that are going in the same 805 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: year because we live close by, like we could have 806 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: shared the pickup and drop offs. I'm probably good for 807 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: them then when we can still do that, they've just 808 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: been different classes. Anyway, we hope you have an amazing 809 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: long weekend, and thank you so much again for listening 810 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: to Outspoken. We do really appreciate the support. If you 811 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: do want to help us out, we would love it 812 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: if you could leave us a review and make sure 813 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: you're subscribed on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. This episode was 814 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people of 815 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.