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Speaker 1: But joining me on the line right now is Jerry.

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Speaker 1: What good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Jerry, Good morning, Katie. I'm sitting outside and enjoying the

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Speaker 2: non non dry season weather. Was that we weren't promised?

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Speaker 2: It must have been your.

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Speaker 1: Weather, for I know it was meant to get nice

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Speaker 1: and dry today, but it didn't feel that cool yet

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Speaker 1: this morning, did it?

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Speaker 2: No? And there's been some clouds coming over how it

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Speaker 2: springs looked more like rain cloud droves and you know,

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Speaker 2: well sort of high cloud you'd expect to this time,

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Speaker 2: are you goodness me?

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Speaker 1: Jerry? I certainly hope it cools down a bit. We'll

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Speaker 1: give them till tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, that's right. And just I have a bit

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Speaker 2: of bad news. Yes, my one and only papor. No,

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Speaker 2: you know I live out in that rule. It's a

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Speaker 2: bisexual paupore. I've been working hard to get it to

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Speaker 2: grow well because it's I love the red papors, and

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Speaker 2: then there is the bisexual of the red ones. And

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Speaker 2: it just got up to start the flower. I checked

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Speaker 2: it today and guess what it's got. It's got that

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Speaker 2: mealy bug that sound Paris. There would not be a meal,

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Speaker 2: there would not be a poor Paul within about three

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Speaker 2: or four hundred meters in my place. Oh no, and

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Speaker 2: just tacked it totally. So I've got out and sprayed

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Speaker 2: it this morning. Yeah right, but no, so that's.

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Speaker 1: Jerry, what do you recommend. What's the best thing do

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Speaker 1: you think to spray on the on the mereibug to

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Speaker 1: try and try and get rid of us.

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Speaker 2: Well, if those the organic people will trying to use

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Speaker 2: white oil, Yeah, and I did put some white oil.

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Speaker 2: But I have a liquid confident or you can get

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Speaker 2: confid or tablets, but you're not allow used for confort

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Speaker 2: or tablets on fruit trees. But there is a liquid confidole.

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Speaker 2: When I read the label, it is used on fruit trees.

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Speaker 2: So I've given it a mile dose of that this morning, right,

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Speaker 2: and I can give you I can give you an

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Speaker 2: up to date at the end of the week. Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: only you can get comfort or liquid from too many places, maying, well.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye out. Yeah, we'll let us. Let

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Speaker 1: us show how it's going by the end of the week. Now,

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Speaker 1: Jerry will ken to have a quick chat to you.

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Speaker 1: I know that you've written to a number of three

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Speaker 1: ministers as you felts cut across all of their portfolios

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Speaker 1: about an issue out there when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: buffer of native vegetation and the burnoffs that happened, tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a number of issues, but the first issue

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Speaker 2: really relates to what is the old infect village now.

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Speaker 2: When it was first developed, and there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of discussion where it should be and how it should

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Speaker 2: be developed. There's a lot of the community it was

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Speaker 2: somewhere for it, somewhere against it. But part of that

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Speaker 2: development was to leave a fifty meter native buffer all

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Speaker 2: the way around so that you wouldn't see all the amountables,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the exactly architectural wonders of the world. So

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Speaker 2: it's just a plain old sort of what do you

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Speaker 2: call accommodation facility. So for ten years or so, our

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Speaker 2: local fibrigade people have made sure that that wasn't burnt

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Speaker 2: so you could build up the understory. So as the

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Speaker 2: understory built up, you had less grass and you were

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Speaker 2: able to actually hide a lot of those buildings. Last

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Speaker 2: year along come there this new policy of the I

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Speaker 2: presume the fire department which is now instead of using

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Speaker 2: our local volunteers to do back burning, and that's sort

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Speaker 2: of burning they've got contractors in. Yeah, there are two issues.

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Speaker 2: One is, and I had written the minister before that

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to stop them burning it again because it's

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Speaker 2: actually not a danger. I mean sometimes bush is the danger,

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Speaker 2: and I understand we do have to burn some of

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Speaker 2: the bush to make sure it protects property and protect lives.

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Speaker 2: But this is a fifty meter buffo. They're on one

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Speaker 2: side of the roads, so Whitewood Road, Howard Springs Roadstay

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Speaker 2: Road or Bitchman Roads. On the other side you've got

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Speaker 2: an internal Bitchamen Road and there's very little vegetation inside

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Speaker 2: the accommodation. That's all sort of gravel and pebble gardens. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: And on the other on one corner. The other corner

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Speaker 2: is the Good Shepherd of Lutheran College, which has got

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Speaker 2: a noval and a big car par so they're buffet

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Speaker 2: as well, so there's no need to burn it. But

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Speaker 2: out of thel they burned it. No consultations I know

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Speaker 2: with the local fibergate. And what annoys me is that

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Speaker 2: we've now I think got a policy that the government

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Speaker 2: has introduced that is not going to use our volunteers,

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Speaker 2: but it is going to have it's employed two contractors

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Speaker 2: I think, which now to burn offs on Crown Land now.

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Speaker 1: So it's not a situation where those it's not a

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Speaker 1: situation where the contractors are being used because the volunteers

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Speaker 1: are maybe too busy or there, or it's a matter

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Speaker 1: of resourcing for them.

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Speaker 2: Well, the House being Volunteer five Gate, which I know

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Speaker 2: the most about for years, has always done those burnoffs.

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Speaker 2: They get out there and they certain groups are prescribed

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Speaker 2: on each different day to do some burnoffs. They've got

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Speaker 2: a program to do it, and they do it because

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Speaker 2: they're volunteers and that is such a great thing. It

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Speaker 2: also saves the government money and by changing it over

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Speaker 2: to contractors, what they've done is want to stick off

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Speaker 2: in the taxpayers money. But to me, they've taken away

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Speaker 2: from a recognition that our volunteers are there. They've sort

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Speaker 2: of say, oh, well you're there, but we're not going

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Speaker 2: to let you do what you used to do for

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Speaker 2: the last twenty or thirty years. We're going to bring

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Speaker 2: in the contractors. And I haven't really been able to

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Speaker 2: understand why. I was told that there may have been

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Speaker 2: something to do with they didn't like the vehicles, the

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Speaker 2: nice vehicles being used in the bush and getting a

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Speaker 2: bit of a buffering well the four wheel drives and

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Speaker 2: then they will get scratched and bashed around a bit

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Speaker 2: when you're doing five higher patrols in the or controls

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Speaker 2: in the rural area. But the funny thing is the bushfires,

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Speaker 2: they use all their volunteers to do the fires. I

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Speaker 2: mean they don't bring in the administration model, they bring

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Speaker 2: in contracts. They use their volunteers because the advantage of

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Speaker 2: the volunteers is one is they know the area because

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Speaker 2: they've been looking at after it for years and years

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Speaker 2: and years. And two is they know the people. They

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Speaker 2: know the community, so they know who to talk to

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Speaker 2: if there's a problem and they can let people know

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Speaker 2: and that's part of community. All of a sudden, you

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Speaker 2: bring an outside body in and that might be fine

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Speaker 2: people don't get me wrong, but they're not part of

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Speaker 2: the community. Something that the government's society that all crown

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Speaker 2: land now will be maintained by contractors, which will cost

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Speaker 2: the taxpayers money. And we've now sort of not recognized

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Speaker 2: the governments now said oh, bad luck volunteers, And to

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Speaker 2: me that that's sad that they are not recognizing the

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Speaker 2: value of those volunteers.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jerry, look, well I am going to have to

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Speaker 1: get ready to wrap up because we've got another guests

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Speaker 1: that's just about to come in. But so where to

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Speaker 1: from here? What is your message for the government this morning.

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Speaker 2: Well, the message is don't touch that buses own. If

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Speaker 2: you need to burn it, burn it is what they

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Speaker 2: call mosaic. So you do a little patchwork so you

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Speaker 2: don't burn at all. You just do patches of it.

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Speaker 2: And that's similar to what doctor Jeremy Russell Smith said

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Speaker 2: when it comes to burning. Kakado now is much bigger

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Speaker 2: than around in prect but you can still do mosaic

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Speaker 2: burning by hand. And the other thing is do you

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Speaker 2: really need to burn it? So leave it as it is.

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Speaker 2: It's fine, let it build up because even if it

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Speaker 2: did burn, it's not a risk to anyone. It might

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Speaker 2: have a bit of smoke around, but it's not going

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Speaker 2: to burn anything because it's got big buffers either side

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Speaker 2: of it. And the other thing is let the volunteers

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Speaker 2: to the work that they've done for the twenty years,

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Speaker 2: you know, include them in what's going on. Don't dismiss

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Speaker 2: them as irrelevant in the system. No, absolutely not wanted

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Speaker 2: and let them do a job that they've trained for.

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Speaker 2: They know about it, they know the locals, as they say,

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Speaker 2: and neither the ones that you really should be putting

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Speaker 2: this sort of work too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Jerry, would it is always good to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Give us an update on your poor Paul

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Speaker 1: later in the workplace.

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Speaker 2: It is at the moment, it's a poor poor Paul.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jerry, talk soon, set ye bye.