1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Daily Odds, Pinch and a Punch. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: First day of the month. Happy February everyone, Zara grade 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: to be with you. We're going to be talking about 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: the most popular podcasting in the world. 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: It's US. 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: It's nearly us, it is Joe Rogan. We're going to 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: be breaking down the big dramas that have been happening 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: in his part of the world. Later on in the podcast, 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: but first, Sara. A couple of trucks making their way 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: to Canberra made the news yesterday, tell me what's happening. 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: Yesterday we saw individuals from across Australia travel to as 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: you said, Canberra, protesting against vaccines and COVID nineteen related mandates. 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: It was dubbed the Freedom Convoy, lending the name from 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: a similar event that happened in Canada, and some protesters 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: drove their cars onto the lawn in front of Parliament House, 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: while others were seen demonstrating at the front doors. It 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: was not, however, a sitting day, so most parliamentarians were 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: not in the building. 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: A school in Brisbane has been condemned for asking parents 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: to sign a contract that could each children excluded if 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: they're openly transgender. On Friday, CityPoint Christian College in Brisbane 22 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: sent out the contract stating that all students must identify 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: as their birth sex. More than thirty thousand people have 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: signed a petition to demand the school immediately recall the contract. 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: Australian Red Cross Lifeblood has issued a call for blood 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: donors as an estimated twenty percent of Australia's donors have 27 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: been unable to donate blood on any given day in 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: recent weeks, and that's of course due to COVID nineteen. 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: Around four five hundred planned donations are being canceled or 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: not attended every day. So if you are a blood 31 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: donor and you are not in isolation or don't have COVID, 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: now the time to donate blood. 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: And today's good news. Researchers from Tuft's University and Harvard 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: University they brought in the big guns, have successfully triggered 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: regrowth of a frog's lost leg. The process, which required 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: a five drug cocktail applied in a silicon wearable bioedacted dome, 37 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: look around twenty four hours to complete. There are thoughts 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: that this could lead to the regrowth of human limbs 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: down the line. Zara he's the number one podcaster in 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: the world. I've heard a lot about Joe Rogan and 41 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: Spotify in recent days. Can we just go from the 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: start though? Who is Joe Rogan. 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: Joe Rogan was once a stand up comedian, He was 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: once the former host of Fear Factor, and now he 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: is the host of one of the most popular podcasts 46 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: in the world. It's called The Joe Rogan Experience, and 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: if you've ever looked at the Spotify podcast lists, it 48 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: is always there, sitting at number one. It is exclusive 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: to Spotify, meaning that you can't listen to the podcast 50 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: anywhere else, including Apple. The deal between Joe Rogan and 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: Spotify was signed a couple of years ago in twenty twenty, 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: and according to NBC, it's worth about one hundred million 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: US dollars, so just a small one, you know. Rogan's 54 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: podcast is the number one podcast for a reason. It's 55 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: believed that he gets an estimated eleven million listeners per episodes, 56 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: and that he releases several episodes a week. Judging by 57 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: these numbers, he's actually more popular than Spotify's most streamed 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: musical artist, The Weekend, who currently averages around eighty six 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: million listeners. 60 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: A month so talking about the rock star of the 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: podcast world, why is he so controversial? 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: To be honest, He's been controversial for a long time, 63 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: but more recently he's struck controversy over his views on 64 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: vaccination and COVID nineteen. More generally, he said on his 65 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: podcast that he believes young and healthy people shouldn't worry 66 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: about getting the COVID nineteen vaccine. 67 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: I think you should get vaccinated. If you're vulnerable. I 68 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: think you should get vaccinated. If you feel like my 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: parents are vaccinated. I've encouraged a lot of people to 70 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: give and people say, do you think it's safe to 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most 72 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do. 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: But if you're like twenty one years old and you 74 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: say to me, should I get vaccined? I no? Are 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: you healthy? Are you a healthy person? Like, look, don't 76 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: do anything stupid, but you should take care of yourself. 77 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: And then there's the interview that sparks the most recent 78 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: criticisms with an infectious disease researcher by the name of 79 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: doctor Robert Malone in December of last year. Malone himself 80 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: has a controversial background, and he's been banned from Twitter 81 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: for spreading COVID nineteen misinformation. In this interview with Joe Rogan, 82 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: Malone claimed that those who believe in COVID nineteen vaccines 83 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: are quotes suffering from a mass formation psychosis and have 84 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: and I'm quoting here again, literally become hypnotized. It goes 85 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: without saying that this is false, but just in case, 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: there's been a search of the term on PubMed, which 87 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: is a database of more than thirty three million biomedical publications, 88 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: and the term mass formation psychosis has never been used. 89 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: So that interview with Malone happened in December. Why is 90 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: Rogan in the headlines this week? 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: It's in the headlines because use those from across the 92 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: world have started to pull their music off Spotify basically 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: in protest, and some subscribers around the world are starting 94 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: to cancel their subscriptions. Reports have even gone so far 95 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: to suggest that Spotify shut down its live customers support 96 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: because of complaints and cancellation requests. This boycotting trend all 97 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: started only a week ago when music legend Neil Young 98 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: published a letter on his website specifically addressed to Spotify 99 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: that labeled them responsible for quote spreading fake information about 100 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: vaccines via Joe Rogan's podcast. The letters since been deleted, 101 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: but screenshots of it went viral very very quickly. He 102 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 2: didn't just condemn Spotify and move on, though, He told 103 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: them all of his music would be taken off the platform, 104 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: and he followed through on it. So right now you 105 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: can't actually listen to Neil Young's music on Spotify, or 106 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: at least the music that Neil Young has released directly. 107 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: And it's not just Neil Young. Other artists have joined 108 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: the boycott, with Joni Mitchell being the most famous of 109 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: the lot. Then, in one of the funnier tweets of 110 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, James Blunt actually said he would release 111 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: more music if Joe Rogan's podcast remained on the platform. 112 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: We've also heard from Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, who 113 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: also have a podcast deal with Spotify. Their podcast management 114 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: released a statement saying they're looking to Spotify to meet 115 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: this moment and make changes to the platform. 116 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Bad news for Spotify all round. Particularly interesting to hear 117 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: about the live chat function of their customer support being 118 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: taken down. That's always a sign that a company is 119 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: getting a little overwhelmed. Has Spotify made any official comment 120 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: on the dramas. 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: They sure have well. Spotify has so far refused to 122 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: take down the podcast or at least any of the 123 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: controversial episodes. They have released a statement saying some things 124 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: will change. Spotify's co founder Daniel Eck released a statement 125 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: yesterday admitting they have quote an obligation to do more 126 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: to provide balance and access to widely accepted information from 127 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: the medical and scientific communities guiding us through this unprecedented time. 128 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: He added that Spotify would take three steps, including publishing 129 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: their platform rules, working to add a content advisory to 130 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: any podcast episode that includes discussion about COVID nineteen, kind 131 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: of like what you see on Instagram when there's a 132 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: post about COVID. And he also said that they'd be 133 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: testing ways to raise awareness among creators about their platform 134 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: rules and to help these creators understand their accountability. 135 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: Speaking of understanding accountability, have we heard anything from Joe 136 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: Rogan himself? 137 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: He actually posted a ten minute video yesterday afternoon. Here 138 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: is a short clip of it. 139 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: Hello, friends, I wanted to make a video to address 140 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 4: some of the controversy that's been going on over the 141 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: past few days. 142 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: It's part of this apology. He tried to justify the interviews, 143 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: saying that he just wanted to have conversations with people, 144 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: but he did admit he gets things wrong. 145 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: I do not know if they're right. I don't know 146 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 4: because I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist. I'm 147 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: just a person who sits down and talks to people 148 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: and has conversations with them. Do I get things wrong, Absolutely, 149 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 4: I get things wrong, but I try to correct them. 150 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: He also did say Spotify wants to change up some things, 151 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: which he agrees with, including putting disclaimers at the start 152 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: of controversial episodes and having more experts with differing opinions 153 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: right after he has those with controversial conversations. He also 154 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: said he'd do his best to do research before doing 155 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: the controversial episodes. He did actually also take the time 156 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: to apologize, saying if I pissed you off, I'm sorry. 157 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: He also said thank you to haters, because he said 158 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: it's good to have some haters. 159 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: That is where we're at with the Joe Rogan Spotify 160 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: boycott episode of twenty twenty two. I spoke to Neil 161 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: Young and Joni Mitchell earlier today They said they are 162 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: big fans of The Daily Ohs and have no intense 163 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: to abandon their support for it, and they also said 164 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: the only way that it can become more popular than 165 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's podcast is if you review it on platforms. 166 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: So this is a great chance to talk about rating 167 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: the podcast on Spotify and reviewing it on Apple. It 168 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: gives us the chance to compete with the Joe Rogan experience. 169 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: This is the Sam Zara experience. It's well on. 170 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: Our way to eleven million listens per. 171 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: There one half of Australia listening every day. Have a 172 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: fantastic day, everybody, and we will speak to you on Wednesday.