WEBVTT - Jalen Sutcliffe - A First Nations Performer’s Journey Through Art, Identity, and Storytelling

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast Unite our Voices. This podcast is brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>by on Track Studio. Welcome to Yannia, the podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>showcases First Nations stories and conversations to help us learn

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<v Speaker 1>and unlearn Australia's history to work towards a better future.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, proud barber woman and founder of Black

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<v Speaker 1>Waddel Coaching and Consulting, Caroline cow. We acknowledge the rundery

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<v Speaker 1>people and elders where this podcast is taped, but we

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<v Speaker 1>also acknowledge the lands that you are listening in from today.

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<v Speaker 1>It always was and always will be unseated aboriginal and

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<v Speaker 1>tourist Red Islander Land. Well, I'm super excited about our

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<v Speaker 1>next falla who's joining us on the show show. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's been a pretty heavy time and I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about today's record and I just felt this

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<v Speaker 1>like immense sense of joy and lightness kind of come

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<v Speaker 1>over me because I'm so excited to be sitting down

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<v Speaker 1>with Jalen Sutcliffe, a Fallow from Northern Queensland, a countryman

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<v Speaker 1>from where I'm from. And yeah, I'm really excited just

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<v Speaker 1>to connect with you brs, So thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Yarning up.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Mom for having me. I'm excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>When you sent the questions out and was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to come on, I was like, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was very excited to come on for a answer. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you, my bro. I mean I've been following

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<v Speaker 1>your work and your socials and what you were doing

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<v Speaker 1>in comedy for a long time. But I was really

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<v Speaker 1>taken aback because I was at event the Followship program,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, shout out to Culture his Life and Arnie

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<v Speaker 1>Binn and Madelyne and far and the crew, and you

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<v Speaker 1>just radiated this joy and energy and this yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>this energy that I was like, yeah, I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>get this follow on the show. I think he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be not just good for my spirit, but for

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners and the mob too. So yeah, yes. And

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to say thank you because I understand

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<v Speaker 1>you are coming off the opening night of a show

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<v Speaker 1>which I really want to talk about. It's like zombie,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for being here, particularly in spite of that.

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<v Speaker 1>As we do on this show, i'd love you to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of start by, yeah, can you introduce yourself your

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<v Speaker 1>mob and just tell us a little bit about yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure. So my name is Jalen Sutcliffe. Born

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<v Speaker 2>and raised in towns with North Queensland, but my mob's

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<v Speaker 2>Durumble and calculture and on my mother's side and Papa

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<v Speaker 2>New Guinea and on my father's side, so from the

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<v Speaker 2>Moribe province there up in New Guinea. Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a musician, comedian actor, what else is there? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to part time dancer only after I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>few and yeah, I guess I started started everything once

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of left high school, moved down Heater Brisbane

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<v Speaker 2>to study for three years at the Aboriginal Center for

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<v Speaker 2>Performing Arts up here. So I had started in music

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of music was the passion. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of found my way into Deadly Funny, which is

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<v Speaker 2>also another branch of the Melbourne International Comedy Festival that

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<v Speaker 2>highlights and showcases up and coming comedian first Nations comedians

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<v Speaker 2>across the country. So I got a taste of that

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<v Speaker 2>and that was my first time ever doing stand up

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<v Speaker 2>and had the opportunity to go down to Melbourne and

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<v Speaker 2>take out the national final. So did that and then

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<v Speaker 2>I've also had the opportunity to work with Annie Debra

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<v Speaker 2>Cheatham with Short Black Opera. So I got the chance

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<v Speaker 2>to perform in Pekan Summer that was on it at

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<v Speaker 2>the Sydney Opera House a couple of years ago. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So within that timeframe that was all still living down

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<v Speaker 2>here in Brisbane and kind of just getting an understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of the industry and figuring out everything and how it

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<v Speaker 2>all works and kind of yeah, going from there, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the University of Tasmania did a gospel course with

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<v Speaker 2>us at Akpa and after the court, after the gospel intensive,

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, hey, if you want to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you's are interested in studying further or just want

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<v Speaker 2>to test yourselves out and come to UNI, then you

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<v Speaker 2>know we'll help you, will support you is when you

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<v Speaker 2>come down, will help you, you know, look for accommodation,

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<v Speaker 2>look for work, help you get into the degrees want

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<v Speaker 2>to get into as well. If if it's not in

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<v Speaker 2>the musical stream, then whatever that may be at UNI

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<v Speaker 2>if you are interested. So yeah, a couple of us

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<v Speaker 2>ended up moving down to Tazzy to study at UNI

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<v Speaker 2>and then I just recently graduated last year the year

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<v Speaker 2>before the Bachelor of Music. So within that timeframe of

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<v Speaker 2>living down in Tazzy for a couple of years. I

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<v Speaker 2>got to work on Black Comedy, doing the writers' workshops

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<v Speaker 2>and then being a mainstay actor for season four, and

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<v Speaker 2>then did a few little extras things on rose Haven,

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<v Speaker 2>which is another show on ABC that's based down in Tazzy,

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<v Speaker 2>which is which is pretty funny with with Celia and

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<v Speaker 2>Luke McGregor. And then yeah, getting the chance to be

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<v Speaker 2>on Bay of Fires as well, which is pretty awesome

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<v Speaker 2>getting to there was a lot of heavy hitters, Australian

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<v Speaker 2>heavy hitters in that show, which it was awesome to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of rub shoulders with and meet and have dinner

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<v Speaker 2>with at night time and just you know, hear their

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<v Speaker 2>stories and just see how how cool they were with

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<v Speaker 2>everything and just being able to have after all the

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<v Speaker 2>big roles that they've done and people they've worked with.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finished that and then decided to move back home.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, I think I just needed a break from

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<v Speaker 2>everything and just wanted to come back home and just

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<v Speaker 2>have a reset and refresh and be back with family,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was really really looking forward to finishing

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<v Speaker 2>up down and Tazzy and and making the trip back

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<v Speaker 2>up home. It was myself and one of my other brothers, Leroy,

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<v Speaker 2>Tipo Laura, who's a little Tea We follower, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>a deadly performer in his own right. And we've sold

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<v Speaker 2>everything and hired a car and traveled all the way

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<v Speaker 2>up the East coast back up to Queensland together. Was

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<v Speaker 2>the crazy trip. The longest we did it and I

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<v Speaker 2>think a week and a week and a half, so

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<v Speaker 2>we were we were fairly cruising it up that highway.

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<v Speaker 2>We made it safely. I dropped him off in Bayron

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<v Speaker 2>Bay with his family there, and then I it up

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the way by myself to Tangill. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we made it back. And then as soon as I

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<v Speaker 2>got home, it was like, oh wait, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of lifted off my shoulders and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, I'm home. Now I can kind of relax

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<v Speaker 2>for a bit and catch up with family and help

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<v Speaker 2>out where I can and just just be home for

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit and catch up on miss time. Think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to leave again. I feel like everyone's getting

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<v Speaker 2>sicking me out there, but I'm yeah excited for I

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<v Speaker 2>guess what's to come next. Not sure what that is

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<v Speaker 2>after this show he slays Zombie, but yeah, just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of taking everything as it comes, and yeah, just excited

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<v Speaker 2>for what's next on this on this journey in this

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<v Speaker 2>crazy industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, my bro. I mean, look, firstly, I just want to, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to your multi clans and your moms, and

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to both your heritages. And yeah, for someone

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<v Speaker 1>who has left high school and gone on to UNI,

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<v Speaker 1>you sure have accomplished a lot, my bro, in featuring

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<v Speaker 1>in all these shows. And it was interesting, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>to hear you say that it all started out with

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<v Speaker 1>you performing like singing, and that led to comedy and

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<v Speaker 1>theater and TV. You know, I want to I want

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<v Speaker 1>to take it back to the first time that you performed,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in front of people. Can you talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us about that experience and what was going on for

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<v Speaker 1>you that sort of put that fire in your belly

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<v Speaker 1>to go on and do all of these real, proper

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<v Speaker 1>deadly things.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I think the first time. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I performed would have been I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was in high school. I think we had there was

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<v Speaker 2>I went to an all boys school in towns called

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<v Speaker 2>it Ignatius Park College. So myself and Tristan mother Bala

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<v Speaker 2>that was on the Culture's Life program. We both went

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<v Speaker 2>to high school together and grew up together. So where

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<v Speaker 2>we're bungees, I guess lovers Nagai. Yeah, So we went

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<v Speaker 2>to high school there in Townsville, and I guess our

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<v Speaker 2>kind of little group, our little mob that we all had.

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<v Speaker 2>We always had a guitar or a ukulele, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were always jamming in our multicultural room. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>where well, that was our safe haven for mob, so

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<v Speaker 2>we was always always in there, just jamming away and playing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I guess one of the teachers must have

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<v Speaker 2>walked past and put us forward to do an item

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<v Speaker 2>of singing one of the assemblies. I think we sang

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<v Speaker 2>it one of our Mother's day assemblies that I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was a song for Mama from the boys to men.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they they that one. So I think we

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<v Speaker 2>ended up singing that, and that was my first time performing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think at that point it was very much

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<v Speaker 2>at an all boys school is kind of like sports

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<v Speaker 2>and footy and theater music and isn't kind of as

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<v Speaker 2>strong of a heavy hitter at unis oh sorry and

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<v Speaker 2>high school. So yeah, we got up and saying that,

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<v Speaker 2>and at first I was because I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>back then I sounded like Tucker when I used to sing.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was the earliest.

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<v Speaker 1>But you got so much confidence at that stage didn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>does it.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, that's that's it. I think everyone, all of

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<v Speaker 2>them boys, did us up, but I think we sounded

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<v Speaker 2>like trash, but everyone was sitting there clapping along like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh that's cool, that was awesome. But yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first time I started to understand what

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<v Speaker 2>what shame was as well. So I was, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of my first like, oh, no, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do that. That's shame, that's that's not that's

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<v Speaker 2>not us that we don't have to do this while

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing this for that's silly. It's all those thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>started coming into my head. But then as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>we've done it and every one was clapping and cheering

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<v Speaker 2>and yahoo, and I was like, oh, actually this is

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<v Speaker 2>all right, I don't mind. And then so, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of my first memory of I guess performing

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<v Speaker 2>like properly performing in front of people, being silly at

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<v Speaker 2>home doing stupid things, and then yeah, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>went on from there to get into school musicals as well.

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<v Speaker 2>They we were in a little tutoring program for MOB

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day. We used to go

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<v Speaker 2>up there just for the food because they had they

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<v Speaker 2>had free food and cordial but we homework. But really

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<v Speaker 2>we were therefore after and they had auditions on for

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<v Speaker 2>it was Beauty and the Beast, my first school musical

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<v Speaker 2>I did, And so we walked down and like sussed

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<v Speaker 2>out what what it looked like, because the teachers were

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<v Speaker 2>all like, no, he's it coming. If he's not come,

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<v Speaker 2>then new mob. But we're going to put you on

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<v Speaker 2>detention because you should be any of just doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're like, no, miss sir, that's silly, what's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with you? So we went in and had a look

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<v Speaker 2>and we've seen everyone and there wasn't a I think

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<v Speaker 2>there was only two other black faces in there from

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<v Speaker 2>one of the other all girls schools to two sisters there,

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<v Speaker 2>and we was like, nah, stuff that, we're not staying

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<v Speaker 2>in there. We're not staying there with all these migglers.

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<v Speaker 2>We turned around and started walking down the hallway back

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<v Speaker 2>to the tutoring room, and then all three of them

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<v Speaker 2>teachers walked around the corner and they're like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is perfect time. Is it here and now well done? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he's got to turn around to come back

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<v Speaker 2>and audition. We're like no, but we ended up doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was It was probably one of the maddest

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<v Speaker 2>first experiences of like just a high school musicool, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was Yeah, I had the best time. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of from then on, I was like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>performing thing is pretty pretty fun. I think. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of where it all started.

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<v Speaker 1>Great take music from Boys to Men to Beauty and

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<v Speaker 1>the Beast. It's definitely like songs that and times are

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely slaps, but yeah, I mean it's it's deadly to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that you push through some of that shame and

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling of maybe vulnerability, and on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of that is this like really beautiful feeling like I

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<v Speaker 1>just did that, and you know, to see that you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of, yeah, push through that feeling to lead you

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<v Speaker 1>where you are is pretty deadly, my bro. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's nice to hear that, Like, yeah, being a

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<v Speaker 1>part of like other friends and communities and peers who

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<v Speaker 1>are also kind of going down that path as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm curious to know were you always the

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<v Speaker 1>performer in the family growing up. There's always one, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe a handful. But you know, thinking about your family,

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<v Speaker 1>like are they all performers and musicians or is it

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<v Speaker 1>just you? Where does it come from? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I like to think it was just I

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<v Speaker 2>think at the moment since I've been born, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was it was just me growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so I think I was always the one

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<v Speaker 2>kind of g and all the cousins up and being

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<v Speaker 2>silly and doing stupid things to make everyone laugh. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I think I've always kind of had that funny

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<v Speaker 2>bone in my soul. But I think there's there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of performers in in our family. There was

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<v Speaker 2>our great great grandfather uncles. They everyone called them Uncle

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<v Speaker 2>Paul and Uncle Dudley. They were musicians back back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day and around the time of when the tent

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<v Speaker 2>Embasy was going on and kicking up, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>a so when when we were doing the we were

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<v Speaker 2>doing a week long intensive with Short Black Opera, and

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<v Speaker 2>we had the opportunity to record with Uncle Archie roach

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<v Speaker 2>last album that he did, so we got the chance

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<v Speaker 2>to be like the kind of little gospel choir in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was always this yarn through the family that

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<v Speaker 2>Uncle Paul and Uncle Duddy had kind of helped Uncle

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<v Speaker 2>Archie out of his tough times and kind of got

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<v Speaker 2>him into music and playing guitar and singing and everything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. And I've always been like, if I ever

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<v Speaker 2>get to meet Uncle Archid and you know, I'm to

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<v Speaker 2>ask him the question and see if you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>the if the yarns are true, because you know, mob

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<v Speaker 2>goes sometimes I just been yarn, just to just to

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<v Speaker 2>spin a yarn and little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit of spicy male on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. And so we finished the

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<v Speaker 2>recording and I went up to him and I was like, Hey,

0:15:49.151 --> 0:15:52.511
<v Speaker 2>I'm Jalen on this and that such and much. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know if you if you

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<v Speaker 2>remember this, these follows Paul and Dudley Meredith and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh I don't. He just went on a big,

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<v Speaker 2>a big were yon there and was telling me about

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<v Speaker 2>him and how they helped him and everything they done,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wow, that's that's that's insane. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up and I was like, I know everyone

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<v Speaker 2>been asking you for a photo, but councters get one, Yeah,

0:16:22.911 --> 0:16:26.511
<v Speaker 2>which was which was a real spinout because I was like, man, wow,

0:16:26.631 --> 0:16:29.471
<v Speaker 2>this is like, that's that's cool. It was. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of felt like a full circle moment in

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<v Speaker 2>a in a sense of like, oh, that's it's true,

0:16:36.831 --> 0:16:41.591
<v Speaker 2>like this young is true, which is pretty deadly. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's I guess that's kind of the only performers I've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of heard of, I think in our family apart

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<v Speaker 2>from then, there was my great grandfather, my NaN's dad,

0:16:54.231 --> 0:16:59.631
<v Speaker 2>who was a boxer or ten boxer and everything back

0:16:59.671 --> 0:17:06.511
<v Speaker 2>in the day Jack Hassen. But yeah, that's apart from that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I feel like if they watched this, someone

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<v Speaker 2>gets struck down.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, my bro. I mean that's so deadly to

0:17:16.951 --> 0:17:19.031
<v Speaker 1>hear that you got to perform with you know, the

0:17:19.111 --> 0:17:24.831
<v Speaker 1>late uncle Archie Roaches, you know, an icon for our community.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I mean what was that experience like for you?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's so deadly to hear the connections, Like

0:17:31.631 --> 0:17:33.991
<v Speaker 1>you say, it's so full circle. You never really know

0:17:34.831 --> 0:17:39.711
<v Speaker 1>what legacy you're carrying on from your old ones. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what was that like for you? In meeting and singing

0:17:43.511 --> 0:17:47.911
<v Speaker 1>alongside somebody so so important for our communities?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh moments moments I'll never forget. Yeah, it was Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was special, really really special, just to just to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the room with him and just to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of feel the energy that just exuded out of him

0:18:07.831 --> 0:18:11.471
<v Speaker 2>when he walked into a room and he didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to say anything. He just walked in and everyone knew

0:18:16.031 --> 0:18:19.431
<v Speaker 2>what was what was going on, and it was Yeah,

0:18:19.471 --> 0:18:23.391
<v Speaker 2>it's powerful. He didn't have to say much either, it

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<v Speaker 2>was just really really softly spoken. Really yeah, just nice.

0:18:30.391 --> 0:18:32.911
<v Speaker 2>I just like there, he's like, just you see me.

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<v Speaker 2>You just want to give him a big hug.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Like to hear you say that,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had the privilege of being in a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>intimate setting with him and I can yeah, I know

0:18:46.271 --> 0:18:50.071
<v Speaker 1>what you mean about that, that presence and that he

0:18:50.111 --> 0:18:53.511
<v Speaker 1>feels like everyone's uncle a in that space, even the

0:18:53.551 --> 0:18:59.191
<v Speaker 1>Mingaloo's there, you know. So yeah, that's so beautiful. It's

0:18:59.231 --> 0:19:02.151
<v Speaker 1>so interesting you're saying about that. Like in our family,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how old I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I know you're a lot younger than me, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of six and I was a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the performer, going up part in theater and dancing, but

0:19:11.831 --> 0:19:15.071
<v Speaker 1>I never Sadly, I never sustained it like you, and

0:19:15.111 --> 0:19:17.471
<v Speaker 1>I often think about what my life would look like

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<v Speaker 1>if I had have continued to pursue the arts and

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<v Speaker 1>not gone down the whole counselor UNI having to do

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<v Speaker 1>something with my brain and was more heartlet and in

0:19:29.751 --> 0:19:32.671
<v Speaker 1>my heart and in my body. But I used to

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<v Speaker 1>have to set up the video camera to do performances

0:19:36.191 --> 0:19:39.871
<v Speaker 1>and then watch them back on the VCR. And I'll

0:19:39.871 --> 0:19:42.511
<v Speaker 1>never forget, like I know, that's how old I am.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny like in the last few years, we've

0:19:45.551 --> 0:19:47.311
<v Speaker 1>gone through like some of our old stuff and we

0:19:47.391 --> 0:19:51.391
<v Speaker 1>found all these old videos of me singing, performing, and

0:19:51.751 --> 0:19:54.031
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, true god, this is

0:19:54.071 --> 0:19:57.591
<v Speaker 1>so embarrassing. But yeah, that's certainly how old I am.

0:19:57.671 --> 0:20:01.031
<v Speaker 1>We didn't have cameras back then, and my family was

0:20:01.071 --> 0:20:03.951
<v Speaker 1>so sick of having forced performances that I would just

0:20:04.031 --> 0:20:08.951
<v Speaker 1>do solo shows for one. But I was actually yarning

0:20:08.991 --> 0:20:10.951
<v Speaker 1>with my Aunie when I was up in country last

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<v Speaker 1>year about it. And because my little niece, Ivy, she's

0:20:13.671 --> 0:20:17.231
<v Speaker 1>into all this performing and dancing and especially tap dancing,

0:20:17.671 --> 0:20:19.951
<v Speaker 1>and I used to do tap dancing and my nun

0:20:20.071 --> 0:20:22.711
<v Speaker 1>was a tap dancer. Before she was a domestic she

0:20:22.991 --> 0:20:26.351
<v Speaker 1>was like an amazing dancer, And so you just think,

0:20:26.471 --> 0:20:29.391
<v Speaker 1>what are we taking on? You know, we often think

0:20:29.391 --> 0:20:32.151
<v Speaker 1>about I guess a lot of the struggles and the

0:20:32.191 --> 0:20:35.311
<v Speaker 1>trauma we'd take on, but we also get these beautiful

0:20:35.351 --> 0:20:37.911
<v Speaker 1>gifts and talents too that we just sometimes don't know.

0:20:37.991 --> 0:20:40.791
<v Speaker 1>So I love that connection with your uncle, your great

0:20:40.871 --> 0:20:44.031
<v Speaker 1>uncle and Archie and now you. So that's deadly my bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Will be back you mob right after this short break.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to sort of circle back. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>have done quite a lot of things in your young career,

0:21:10.911 --> 0:21:15.431
<v Speaker 1>I would say, you know, from Black Comedy, Debate of Fires,

0:21:16.671 --> 0:21:22.351
<v Speaker 1>to rose Haven Paper Dolls to this new It's a Zombie,

0:21:22.551 --> 0:21:26.511
<v Speaker 1>Straight from the Straight, both on TV and theater. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what's been the most memorable moment

0:21:29.791 --> 0:21:33.991
<v Speaker 1>for you, or memorable moments on stage or on set.

0:21:34.471 --> 0:21:37.551
<v Speaker 1>You know, what's something that's really reminded you that you

0:21:37.631 --> 0:21:40.031
<v Speaker 1>love what you do and has stayed with you in

0:21:40.071 --> 0:21:40.751
<v Speaker 1>this process.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was I think maybe during Straight from

0:21:46.071 --> 0:21:50.631
<v Speaker 2>the Straight, just the the understanding of the story and

0:21:50.791 --> 0:21:54.671
<v Speaker 2>the meaning behind the story and how much power the

0:21:54.751 --> 0:21:58.551
<v Speaker 2>story has and what we had what we had to

0:21:58.591 --> 0:22:00.951
<v Speaker 2>do to put it on and the weight that we

0:22:02.031 --> 0:22:04.551
<v Speaker 2>carry to get this story out for for them old

0:22:04.591 --> 0:22:09.631
<v Speaker 2>people and for the Toy Straight Islands. I think once

0:22:09.711 --> 0:22:11.951
<v Speaker 2>as soon as we hit that stage on opening night

0:22:13.111 --> 0:22:16.031
<v Speaker 2>and you could just hear everyone screaming up in the

0:22:16.071 --> 0:22:20.671
<v Speaker 2>crowd and whistling out and singing, singing back the songs

0:22:20.711 --> 0:22:24.351
<v Speaker 2>that were in the musical as well, I think that

0:22:24.591 --> 0:22:27.431
<v Speaker 2>was one of those moments where I was like, this

0:22:27.511 --> 0:22:32.231
<v Speaker 2>is where we're doing something right for the people, and yeah,

0:22:32.511 --> 0:22:36.471
<v Speaker 2>everyone was a powerful first opening for that show as

0:22:36.511 --> 0:22:40.311
<v Speaker 2>well being it being a sold out season, but just

0:22:40.591 --> 0:22:44.631
<v Speaker 2>with the show, the show had been in works for

0:22:45.031 --> 0:22:49.231
<v Speaker 2>thirteen years plus I think, and so to finally now

0:22:49.351 --> 0:22:55.071
<v Speaker 2>be on a stage, I think, yeah, being having the

0:22:55.391 --> 0:22:58.111
<v Speaker 2>honor and privilege to come in and help bring this

0:22:58.231 --> 0:23:00.831
<v Speaker 2>story to life with myself not being a torch right

0:23:00.951 --> 0:23:06.431
<v Speaker 2>on the person, to have the honor to help bring

0:23:06.431 --> 0:23:11.431
<v Speaker 2>that story across and yeah, and to to get that

0:23:11.551 --> 0:23:13.831
<v Speaker 2>kind of the love from the old people and all

0:23:13.871 --> 0:23:16.311
<v Speaker 2>the molders that were sitting in the audience that come

0:23:16.391 --> 0:23:18.551
<v Speaker 2>up to us after and said thank you for this show.

0:23:18.631 --> 0:23:23.391
<v Speaker 2>And my my father's, my uncles were on them on

0:23:23.431 --> 0:23:28.391
<v Speaker 2>that railway and it was all it was all love,

0:23:30.471 --> 0:23:32.151
<v Speaker 2>and I think it was one of the Yeah, that

0:23:32.231 --> 0:23:34.031
<v Speaker 2>was probably one of the moments where I was like,

0:23:34.151 --> 0:23:38.151
<v Speaker 2>this is this is why I love performing, and this

0:23:38.231 --> 0:23:41.031
<v Speaker 2>is why I love kind of doing doing what I do.

0:23:42.511 --> 0:23:47.311
<v Speaker 2>And it's yeah, especially for our people too, whether to

0:23:47.511 --> 0:23:53.831
<v Speaker 2>straight or Aboriginal or POC or any any mob. I

0:23:53.871 --> 0:23:56.271
<v Speaker 2>think just yeah, it was it was a special moment.

0:23:56.951 --> 0:24:00.111
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think that's probably that's probably one of them.

0:24:00.111 --> 0:24:01.791
<v Speaker 2>But there's so many to pick from.

0:24:01.871 --> 0:24:06.431
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, like so as I understand, and you know,

0:24:06.431 --> 0:24:08.551
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to sort of unpack it, but as I

0:24:08.631 --> 0:24:12.711
<v Speaker 1>understand straight from the strait was sort of like based

0:24:12.711 --> 0:24:16.151
<v Speaker 1>on true stories of people who had left their islands

0:24:16.191 --> 0:24:21.471
<v Speaker 1>to come to the mainland for work and to you know,

0:24:21.631 --> 0:24:26.831
<v Speaker 1>find opportunities through through that often exploited as well, as

0:24:26.831 --> 0:24:29.151
<v Speaker 1>I understand, you know, there's lots.

0:24:28.951 --> 0:24:30.911
<v Speaker 2>Of wages they should have.

0:24:32.031 --> 0:24:34.231
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, can you tell me a little bit

0:24:34.271 --> 0:24:36.071
<v Speaker 1>around so you said that this is sort of like

0:24:36.471 --> 0:24:39.791
<v Speaker 1>thirteen years in the making, Like, yeah, can you shed

0:24:39.791 --> 0:24:42.511
<v Speaker 1>some more light on, like, yeah, what the show was

0:24:42.551 --> 0:24:46.871
<v Speaker 1>about and what it was trying to, I guess portray

0:24:47.031 --> 0:24:50.391
<v Speaker 1>to the people who were there in the audience.

0:24:50.951 --> 0:24:56.551
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So the show was was in the in

0:24:56.631 --> 0:25:00.231
<v Speaker 2>developments for thirteen plus years, just kind of getting the

0:25:00.311 --> 0:25:05.311
<v Speaker 2>stories right and kind of creating the music and creating

0:25:05.351 --> 0:25:09.951
<v Speaker 2>the characters, and I think finding time to sit down

0:25:09.951 --> 0:25:12.551
<v Speaker 2>with those uncles as well and have them beyond with

0:25:12.751 --> 0:25:15.151
<v Speaker 2>them because they'll getting old now. A lot of them

0:25:15.151 --> 0:25:20.391
<v Speaker 2>have passed too, So trying to yeah, trying to be

0:25:20.471 --> 0:25:23.551
<v Speaker 2>able to get there, get their stories and their memories,

0:25:23.591 --> 0:25:26.351
<v Speaker 2>to be able to put it on paper too, I

0:25:26.391 --> 0:25:29.511
<v Speaker 2>think was a big thing in the development stages. And

0:25:29.551 --> 0:25:34.551
<v Speaker 2>then the show itself was about the when the toy

0:25:34.591 --> 0:25:37.591
<v Speaker 2>shot on, the man left the straights and went to

0:25:37.871 --> 0:25:40.511
<v Speaker 2>move move down to the mainland to work on the railway.

0:25:40.671 --> 0:25:44.111
<v Speaker 2>They come across on a on a lugger boat and

0:25:44.351 --> 0:25:47.831
<v Speaker 2>they'd either find work in the cane fields and then

0:25:48.791 --> 0:25:51.751
<v Speaker 2>other make their way from the cane fields into the

0:25:51.791 --> 0:25:56.351
<v Speaker 2>into the railway lines. And some of them made it

0:25:56.391 --> 0:25:59.071
<v Speaker 2>over to wa to work on this railway. This rail

0:25:59.151 --> 0:26:03.631
<v Speaker 2>from put headlinto Matt Newman I think, or Matt Newman

0:26:03.831 --> 0:26:06.711
<v Speaker 2>called Helen one there, but it was Tho. It's in

0:26:06.751 --> 0:26:10.791
<v Speaker 2>between those two those two towns over in western Australia

0:26:10.831 --> 0:26:13.711
<v Speaker 2>and they ended up breaking the world record on May eight,

0:26:13.871 --> 0:26:17.551
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight. I think they laid seven point two

0:26:17.671 --> 0:26:23.231
<v Speaker 2>kilometers in eleven hours and something in it, so they had, Yeah,

0:26:23.271 --> 0:26:27.431
<v Speaker 2>they had broken the American record by lunch, and then

0:26:28.471 --> 0:26:31.631
<v Speaker 2>I think the record, the world record was then broken

0:26:32.671 --> 0:26:36.671
<v Speaker 2>after that they and they didn't there was yarns that

0:26:36.751 --> 0:26:39.551
<v Speaker 2>they didn't stop the clock when it was a break.

0:26:39.631 --> 0:26:41.591
<v Speaker 2>They kept the clock running too, so I think it

0:26:41.631 --> 0:26:45.551
<v Speaker 2>would have been a lot quicker if they had stopped

0:26:45.591 --> 0:26:49.951
<v Speaker 2>the clock then. Yeah. So yeah, a powerful story about

0:26:50.671 --> 0:26:52.431
<v Speaker 2>them leaving the islands, a lot of them not even

0:26:52.471 --> 0:26:56.071
<v Speaker 2>making it back to the Straits. They would stay stay

0:26:56.071 --> 0:26:59.231
<v Speaker 2>over in Wa, So yeah, it was kind of the

0:26:59.271 --> 0:27:02.031
<v Speaker 2>struggles of when they would leave the islands, and the

0:27:02.071 --> 0:27:05.231
<v Speaker 2>struggles with the women also then had to face, yeah,

0:27:05.471 --> 0:27:08.591
<v Speaker 2>not having their companion there by their side with them

0:27:08.631 --> 0:27:13.071
<v Speaker 2>to do day to day activities and help out around

0:27:13.111 --> 0:27:18.591
<v Speaker 2>the house or on the islands or so yeah. And

0:27:18.631 --> 0:27:23.711
<v Speaker 2>then also the intricacies and struggles of men from different

0:27:24.111 --> 0:27:28.831
<v Speaker 2>tribal groups and clans all coming together to go and

0:27:28.871 --> 0:27:31.311
<v Speaker 2>work on this railway together. So it's a story of

0:27:31.391 --> 0:27:37.071
<v Speaker 2>brotherhood and yeah, coming together from all different nations, whether

0:27:37.071 --> 0:27:43.151
<v Speaker 2>that's toe shot on the Aboriginal, they had Yugoslavian brothers

0:27:43.191 --> 0:27:45.991
<v Speaker 2>on there. There was a whole melting pot of cultures.

0:27:47.111 --> 0:27:49.911
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was it was special to be able

0:27:49.991 --> 0:27:54.431
<v Speaker 2>to represent all of that and all that story.

0:27:54.591 --> 0:27:59.591
<v Speaker 1>So gosh, wow, min Bro, I'm just taking that on

0:27:59.751 --> 0:28:02.591
<v Speaker 1>in a I mean, how powerful to be a part

0:28:02.671 --> 0:28:08.311
<v Speaker 1>of something that yeah, users, I guess performance, but with

0:28:08.551 --> 0:28:12.471
<v Speaker 1>like ancient stories and honoring people's stories in that way.

0:28:12.511 --> 0:28:14.751
<v Speaker 1>And do you just imagine the ferocity in which they

0:28:15.391 --> 0:28:17.631
<v Speaker 1>were working to be able to do that.

0:28:18.831 --> 0:28:22.951
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the them men were built different. They were a

0:28:22.991 --> 0:28:26.311
<v Speaker 2>lot of the photos we were given from I think

0:28:26.311 --> 0:28:30.871
<v Speaker 2>it was the Queensland Queensland Library, I think they had

0:28:30.951 --> 0:28:33.831
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the old photos and so they they

0:28:33.831 --> 0:28:36.391
<v Speaker 2>were always up wherever we were. They were up in

0:28:36.511 --> 0:28:39.591
<v Speaker 2>around the room. So every time we were breaking down

0:28:39.711 --> 0:28:42.511
<v Speaker 2>characters or just needed a bit of inspiration, we would

0:28:42.991 --> 0:28:46.991
<v Speaker 2>they would always be there watching us. So them men

0:28:47.031 --> 0:28:52.071
<v Speaker 2>were chiseled by the ancestors because they were there was

0:28:52.151 --> 0:28:54.911
<v Speaker 2>a lot of us were looking at me especially, I

0:28:54.911 --> 0:28:58.871
<v Speaker 2>was looking at their photos and stuff that I couldn't Yeah,

0:29:00.471 --> 0:29:06.911
<v Speaker 2>that too strong work like that, That's just insane, and

0:29:06.951 --> 0:29:09.951
<v Speaker 2>they were just they would be shirts off, shorts off,

0:29:10.071 --> 0:29:13.471
<v Speaker 2>just in their jobs working on that railway with boots. Yeah,

0:29:13.511 --> 0:29:15.711
<v Speaker 2>work boots on just because it was that hot over

0:29:15.751 --> 0:29:18.591
<v Speaker 2>there as well. So yeah, it was the same the

0:29:18.671 --> 0:29:23.271
<v Speaker 2>conditions they worked under two and still worked that fast

0:29:23.311 --> 0:29:28.351
<v Speaker 2>and efficiently. And yeah, it's just something about being black.

0:29:28.191 --> 0:29:31.991
<v Speaker 1>That the power of our blackness, as Barker says, But

0:29:32.751 --> 0:29:34.591
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's sort of like one of those things

0:29:34.591 --> 0:29:37.151
<v Speaker 1>that I get proper wild in my work because you know,

0:29:37.271 --> 0:29:40.071
<v Speaker 1>I'm really passionate about burnout. Because people had this like

0:29:40.231 --> 0:29:44.151
<v Speaker 1>narrative that black follows are inherently lazy, but we are

0:29:44.191 --> 0:29:48.631
<v Speaker 1>the hardest working people. And all about infrastructure is back

0:29:48.671 --> 0:29:51.391
<v Speaker 1>on the back end of black and brown you know,

0:29:51.791 --> 0:29:56.551
<v Speaker 1>enslavement and labor and poor qualities of labor. And like

0:29:56.591 --> 0:29:58.351
<v Speaker 1>even my mum, for instance, she was born in a

0:29:58.391 --> 0:30:01.071
<v Speaker 1>sugarcane field. She didn't even go to hospital because my

0:30:01.191 --> 0:30:04.871
<v Speaker 1>nan was clearing the roads. We're getting ready for trains

0:30:04.911 --> 0:30:07.831
<v Speaker 1>and train tracks and infrastructure because they were just working

0:30:07.951 --> 0:30:11.311
<v Speaker 1>to the bone literally, And so we owe a lot

0:30:11.311 --> 0:30:15.231
<v Speaker 1>of thanks to people like that who have created what

0:30:15.471 --> 0:30:21.191
<v Speaker 1>we have now, Like in civilized society, I guess quoted now,

0:30:21.671 --> 0:30:24.871
<v Speaker 1>But wow, my bro, how special, what a special special

0:30:24.911 --> 0:30:30.111
<v Speaker 1>project straight from the strait? How amazing? Yeah? Was it

0:30:30.151 --> 0:30:33.231
<v Speaker 1>emotional for you? Like did you find like yourself feeling

0:30:33.271 --> 0:30:36.111
<v Speaker 1>a bit emotional during the process, Because this is this

0:30:36.191 --> 0:30:38.791
<v Speaker 1>sort of art of storytelling that would be really unique

0:30:38.871 --> 0:30:42.191
<v Speaker 1>for people of color or black fellows or you know,

0:30:42.551 --> 0:30:44.911
<v Speaker 1>people from the Toro astraight. It is like it's like

0:30:44.951 --> 0:30:49.751
<v Speaker 1>this sort of expression, but it's also like honoring a

0:30:49.871 --> 0:30:54.111
<v Speaker 1>sacred like calling or responsibility. Yeah, did you find it

0:30:54.151 --> 0:30:55.871
<v Speaker 1>emotional along the way for you?

0:30:55.951 --> 0:30:59.351
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, it was? It was. Yeah, it was an

0:30:59.351 --> 0:31:05.311
<v Speaker 2>emotional rollercoaster that show. Because we had the amazing Annie

0:31:05.511 --> 0:31:11.831
<v Speaker 2>Nadine McDonald. She was our director and she just laid

0:31:11.871 --> 0:31:15.111
<v Speaker 2>down the law from the get go of what this

0:31:15.191 --> 0:31:19.551
<v Speaker 2>story means, and she really embedded that that sense of

0:31:19.631 --> 0:31:24.471
<v Speaker 2>hard work into us to help find them characters and

0:31:24.551 --> 0:31:28.631
<v Speaker 2>to help us understand what it would have really been

0:31:28.751 --> 0:31:32.791
<v Speaker 2>like back then, and the just the a lot of

0:31:32.831 --> 0:31:35.711
<v Speaker 2>the real yucky moments in the show where it's like,

0:31:36.031 --> 0:31:40.191
<v Speaker 2>you know, as them follows, we're not free now, but

0:31:40.231 --> 0:31:42.551
<v Speaker 2>them Follows still couldn't be free back then, Like they

0:31:42.631 --> 0:31:46.151
<v Speaker 2>had needed passes to go to places they couldn't leave

0:31:46.191 --> 0:31:48.791
<v Speaker 2>without those passes or else that get locked up or

0:31:50.671 --> 0:31:53.271
<v Speaker 2>sent back to the island somehow we're thrown on another

0:31:53.311 --> 0:31:57.351
<v Speaker 2>boat or like it was just yeah, insane, and I think,

0:31:58.151 --> 0:32:01.351
<v Speaker 2>yeah it was. It was a powerful, powerful and emotional

0:32:01.431 --> 0:32:05.311
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks. But we were all together in this

0:32:05.311 --> 0:32:08.831
<v Speaker 2>this hotel as well, so we were we'd always be

0:32:08.911 --> 0:32:12.991
<v Speaker 2>eaten together, we'd always be the sharing stories, getting closer,

0:32:13.191 --> 0:32:16.711
<v Speaker 2>So it was on that type of emotional level. It

0:32:16.751 --> 0:32:20.031
<v Speaker 2>was really really tight knit too. So when we got

0:32:20.031 --> 0:32:23.071
<v Speaker 2>into the restal room, we were building on that that

0:32:23.151 --> 0:32:27.431
<v Speaker 2>friendship and that brotherhood and that sense of family as well.

0:32:28.031 --> 0:32:31.471
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, understanding also that a lot of them didn't

0:32:31.511 --> 0:32:35.151
<v Speaker 2>even make it back home to their families, so having

0:32:35.791 --> 0:32:39.791
<v Speaker 2>that that feeling of of not ever seeing your family

0:32:39.831 --> 0:32:44.551
<v Speaker 2>again after you moved down to work. So yeah, it was,

0:32:44.591 --> 0:32:47.111
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was. It was tough some days, but

0:32:48.231 --> 0:32:52.111
<v Speaker 2>it was just really powerful in everything we did. So

0:32:52.231 --> 0:32:53.991
<v Speaker 2>it was, Yeah, it was. It was awesome.

0:32:54.831 --> 0:32:58.871
<v Speaker 1>Well, mad respect to you and all the people that

0:32:59.631 --> 0:33:04.351
<v Speaker 1>shared their stories and pulled that together too. Yeah, honor

0:33:04.511 --> 0:33:07.111
<v Speaker 1>what was and to do it in a way that

0:33:07.351 --> 0:33:12.591
<v Speaker 1>is meaningful and respectful, and yeah, it's a beautiful thing.

0:33:12.631 --> 0:33:14.071
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for sharing that, Mi bro.

0:33:16.031 --> 0:33:19.311
<v Speaker 2>It's always always loves sharing the yarns, the straits, the

0:33:19.351 --> 0:33:22.311
<v Speaker 2>stories for the show, and yeah it's special.

0:33:23.271 --> 0:33:26.111
<v Speaker 1>Well I mean switching gears. I don't know, but I

0:33:26.191 --> 0:33:29.151
<v Speaker 1>know that. So last night was opening night for another

0:33:29.191 --> 0:33:33.231
<v Speaker 1>show which you've just started, Eat Slay Zombie. Tell us

0:33:33.271 --> 0:33:35.991
<v Speaker 1>about the show, what's going on, what can people expect

0:33:36.031 --> 0:33:37.591
<v Speaker 1>and coming along and seeing.

0:33:37.311 --> 0:33:45.031
<v Speaker 2>You you can expect us to slay zombies. There's dance sequences,

0:33:45.071 --> 0:33:47.791
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of comedy, a lot of black humor

0:33:48.191 --> 0:33:53.191
<v Speaker 2>in the show. So it's a story about a zombie

0:33:53.231 --> 0:33:58.511
<v Speaker 2>apocalypse that breaks out in Brisbane here and it follows

0:33:58.791 --> 0:34:02.071
<v Speaker 2>the story of two sister girls that have been titters

0:34:02.111 --> 0:34:05.631
<v Speaker 2>their whole lives, but since the outbreak, they've been bunking

0:34:05.671 --> 0:34:08.911
<v Speaker 2>down in a in a bowling alley and they've been

0:34:08.991 --> 0:34:12.151
<v Speaker 2>kind of bunking down here and they've been fighting zombies.

0:34:12.191 --> 0:34:15.871
<v Speaker 2>And then my character comes along and kind of shakes

0:34:15.911 --> 0:34:18.191
<v Speaker 2>the tree up a bit between them and the relationship

0:34:18.271 --> 0:34:20.711
<v Speaker 2>and makes one want to go find the people and

0:34:20.831 --> 0:34:24.151
<v Speaker 2>the other doesn't want to biro me because I'm coming

0:34:24.231 --> 0:34:27.071
<v Speaker 2>in here and luck with the feathers and she kind

0:34:27.071 --> 0:34:28.991
<v Speaker 2>of just wants to stay in the bunker and because

0:34:29.031 --> 0:34:32.311
<v Speaker 2>that's that's all they've known, and that's that's safety for

0:34:32.831 --> 0:34:36.591
<v Speaker 2>her character as well. So yeah, but it's it's really

0:34:36.631 --> 0:34:40.671
<v Speaker 2>it's really really fun. It's kind of like a older

0:34:40.711 --> 0:34:45.951
<v Speaker 2>sister's little brother type of relationship. But yeah, it touches

0:34:45.991 --> 0:34:49.631
<v Speaker 2>on a lot of a lot of issues that mob faces,

0:34:49.751 --> 0:34:55.311
<v Speaker 2>especially in today's day and age, and but it's kind

0:34:55.311 --> 0:34:59.391
<v Speaker 2>of doesn't hit it with the whole doom and gloom

0:34:58.431 --> 0:35:04.391
<v Speaker 2>of those yarns. So it's it's really Yeah, it's really nice,

0:35:04.951 --> 0:35:09.591
<v Speaker 2>deadly play written by the amazing a Linta McGrady, known

0:35:09.591 --> 0:35:14.031
<v Speaker 2>as About Us Mother on socials. She's also a deadly

0:35:15.511 --> 0:35:19.871
<v Speaker 2>performer musician in her own right as well as performed

0:35:19.871 --> 0:35:25.191
<v Speaker 2>with Hot Brown Honey and Yeah, she's insane. She she

0:35:25.271 --> 0:35:31.511
<v Speaker 2>wrote this, and I think she should write more.

0:35:30.631 --> 0:35:34.191
<v Speaker 1>Yea, I love it. This is what I love about

0:35:34.231 --> 0:35:38.671
<v Speaker 1>Blackfellows too, Like the light and shade between what you

0:35:38.751 --> 0:35:41.751
<v Speaker 1>do and so you know, I have something like, you know,

0:35:41.871 --> 0:35:46.031
<v Speaker 1>quite clean net like straight from the straight very important.

0:35:46.071 --> 0:35:49.111
<v Speaker 1>But then also to think about the apocalypse and its

0:35:49.151 --> 0:35:52.711
<v Speaker 1>links to like yeah, colonization and being funny and silly

0:35:52.751 --> 0:35:56.471
<v Speaker 1>and carrying on is also really important. We need we

0:35:56.511 --> 0:35:59.511
<v Speaker 1>need all those stories and all that versatility around it.

0:36:00.031 --> 0:36:04.311
<v Speaker 1>How deadly that sounds, That sounds like something worth going along?

0:36:04.791 --> 0:36:07.071
<v Speaker 1>When can you maybe shout out some details? When is

0:36:07.111 --> 0:36:10.791
<v Speaker 1>it running from where people see it?

0:36:10.791 --> 0:36:14.831
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a short season, but yeah, it's it's

0:36:14.911 --> 0:36:19.111
<v Speaker 2>running from Uh So we opened on Wednesday. Remember're going

0:36:19.231 --> 0:36:21.391
<v Speaker 2>till We've got a show today and then a show

0:36:21.431 --> 0:36:24.551
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow at Quebec in the Carimon Theater here in Brisbane

0:36:24.551 --> 0:36:28.751
<v Speaker 2>from yeah, sixth to the ninth. So we've got a

0:36:28.751 --> 0:36:32.911
<v Speaker 2>show tonight and two shows tomorrow and then they're all finished.

0:36:32.911 --> 0:36:35.311
<v Speaker 2>Though hopefully it goes on to it because I feel

0:36:35.351 --> 0:36:38.231
<v Speaker 2>like it deserves to be seen by the rest of

0:36:38.231 --> 0:36:43.311
<v Speaker 2>the country as well. Yeah, story about two staunch sisters

0:36:44.391 --> 0:36:48.071
<v Speaker 2>and then my character is just therefore just for a

0:36:48.071 --> 0:36:55.431
<v Speaker 2>little bit of comedic relief that represents the sisters and

0:36:55.591 --> 0:37:01.591
<v Speaker 2>the strength of women out came within our people and

0:37:01.591 --> 0:37:04.791
<v Speaker 2>the power that they hold that all you might So yeah,

0:37:04.871 --> 0:37:05.671
<v Speaker 2>it's it's deadly.

0:37:06.671 --> 0:37:09.751
<v Speaker 1>Oh deadly, bro. I really hope it does take taking

0:37:09.911 --> 0:37:12.871
<v Speaker 1>a national sort of tour and we all get to

0:37:12.911 --> 0:37:16.871
<v Speaker 1>see it all all around. So called Australia. I mean, bro,

0:37:16.951 --> 0:37:20.351
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to know you know what? I got two questions,

0:37:20.391 --> 0:37:24.071
<v Speaker 1>I guess too pronged. You know what what is performing like?

0:37:24.151 --> 0:37:26.951
<v Speaker 1>To think back to getting up on stage, feeling shame,

0:37:27.071 --> 0:37:30.791
<v Speaker 1>singing some boys to men to now you know, being

0:37:30.791 --> 0:37:36.151
<v Speaker 1>a part of this like rich tapestry of performance in Australia,

0:37:36.391 --> 0:37:40.071
<v Speaker 1>bringing black stories and magic to the stage. You know

0:37:40.111 --> 0:37:44.951
<v Speaker 1>what has performing taught you about yourself? And what advice

0:37:44.991 --> 0:37:47.271
<v Speaker 1>would you give any young fellows who are feeling a

0:37:47.311 --> 0:37:49.071
<v Speaker 1>bit shame and don't want to get out of their

0:37:49.071 --> 0:37:52.391
<v Speaker 1>comfort zone, you know, to maybe think about exploring themselves

0:37:52.471 --> 0:37:54.871
<v Speaker 1>through the arts.

0:37:56.431 --> 0:37:59.431
<v Speaker 2>That's a good one, I think. I think for me,

0:37:59.751 --> 0:38:05.471
<v Speaker 2>performing has taught myself too to be free and to

0:38:05.591 --> 0:38:12.151
<v Speaker 2>let go. And yeah, I think those are some of

0:38:12.151 --> 0:38:15.551
<v Speaker 2>the big things because with I guess with acting as well,

0:38:15.591 --> 0:38:18.951
<v Speaker 2>you kind of you can put on these characters and

0:38:18.991 --> 0:38:22.711
<v Speaker 2>live out a different, different style of life with with

0:38:22.791 --> 0:38:27.831
<v Speaker 2>who you're playing. So being able to have that freedom

0:38:27.871 --> 0:38:31.631
<v Speaker 2>with characters as well and with performing on stage and

0:38:31.711 --> 0:38:34.751
<v Speaker 2>I think it, yeah, it allows you to to free

0:38:34.831 --> 0:38:36.551
<v Speaker 2>up your body and to free up your soul to

0:38:36.671 --> 0:38:39.751
<v Speaker 2>just have fun and just not worry about all the

0:38:39.791 --> 0:38:44.151
<v Speaker 2>stresses of life and the colony and everything else that

0:38:44.311 --> 0:38:49.551
<v Speaker 2>is tough with being black. So I think, yeah, that's

0:38:49.751 --> 0:38:52.911
<v Speaker 2>probably probably being free and just being able to let

0:38:52.951 --> 0:38:56.631
<v Speaker 2>go and let loose on stage. I think is is

0:38:56.671 --> 0:38:59.551
<v Speaker 2>what I've loved about performing, and I think, yeah, what

0:38:59.671 --> 0:39:05.031
<v Speaker 2>performing has done for me. And then advice for young

0:39:05.111 --> 0:39:08.311
<v Speaker 2>mob that would want to get into the arts and

0:39:08.511 --> 0:39:12.151
<v Speaker 2>do some things and drop the shame game, I think,

0:39:12.591 --> 0:39:14.431
<v Speaker 2>I think you just you just got to do it.

0:39:15.191 --> 0:39:19.791
<v Speaker 2>I think there's yeah, I don't know, I think there's

0:39:19.831 --> 0:39:22.671
<v Speaker 2>you can kind of tiptoe around it and you know,

0:39:22.911 --> 0:39:25.111
<v Speaker 2>break things down and kind of get into stuff in

0:39:25.151 --> 0:39:28.471
<v Speaker 2>the community and just kind of get out there and

0:39:28.951 --> 0:39:31.311
<v Speaker 2>do daily things that can kind of help break down

0:39:31.351 --> 0:39:33.671
<v Speaker 2>that shame if you're not one to kind of just

0:39:34.751 --> 0:39:36.471
<v Speaker 2>kick it in the gut straight away and be like,

0:39:36.551 --> 0:39:39.191
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be shamed no more, because it is.

0:39:39.391 --> 0:39:41.391
<v Speaker 2>It is a tough thing. Shame carries a lot of

0:39:41.751 --> 0:39:45.591
<v Speaker 2>a lot of weight with us as black people, and

0:39:45.711 --> 0:39:48.231
<v Speaker 2>so it's tough whether that be shame to do this,

0:39:48.351 --> 0:39:50.751
<v Speaker 2>shame to do that, shame for your body, shame for

0:39:52.111 --> 0:39:55.031
<v Speaker 2>anything else that you might have going on in your life.

0:39:56.071 --> 0:39:59.431
<v Speaker 2>So it's just yeah, trying to find ways that you

0:39:59.511 --> 0:40:02.311
<v Speaker 2>can kind of navigate it and break it down for yourself,

0:40:03.151 --> 0:40:05.951
<v Speaker 2>especially for our younger generations that are coming. I mean,

0:40:05.991 --> 0:40:08.631
<v Speaker 2>I'm still young now, but all them young young ones

0:40:08.671 --> 0:40:11.791
<v Speaker 2>that are that that are coming up through that are

0:40:11.911 --> 0:40:15.271
<v Speaker 2>going to be the ones to really make the change.

0:40:16.511 --> 0:40:19.191
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, just to you just got to drop it.

0:40:19.311 --> 0:40:22.671
<v Speaker 2>There was a scene I did in Bay of Fires

0:40:23.871 --> 0:40:27.271
<v Speaker 2>where I've come straight out of the water, out of

0:40:27.271 --> 0:40:30.751
<v Speaker 2>the ocean and I'm holding onto a little boy that's

0:40:30.791 --> 0:40:35.311
<v Speaker 2>floating around in the in the ocean. And it was

0:40:35.351 --> 0:40:36.831
<v Speaker 2>a scene where they were like, oh, do you want

0:40:36.871 --> 0:40:39.551
<v Speaker 2>to wear like a swim shirt or and I was like, no,

0:40:40.031 --> 0:40:42.871
<v Speaker 2>would I want to do that? And I think that

0:40:43.071 --> 0:40:45.911
<v Speaker 2>for that moment, I was like, you know what, we

0:40:46.351 --> 0:40:49.071
<v Speaker 2>there's no big bodies on stage. It's just all them

0:40:49.071 --> 0:40:52.111
<v Speaker 2>follows from home and away with walking up the beach

0:40:52.231 --> 0:40:53.391
<v Speaker 2>with their little.

0:40:55.631 --> 0:40:58.831
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the same, but.

0:40:59.711 --> 0:41:04.671
<v Speaker 2>Get my big frame on this screen and have it

0:41:04.871 --> 0:41:07.751
<v Speaker 2>have it up there. And brother Wayne Blair was directing

0:41:08.391 --> 0:41:11.551
<v Speaker 2>the second half of this the show at that point,

0:41:12.111 --> 0:41:15.911
<v Speaker 2>and I said, I said, bruhs, I'm gonna come like

0:41:16.111 --> 0:41:18.671
<v Speaker 2>you know, mon if I come out of this ocean

0:41:19.111 --> 0:41:22.111
<v Speaker 2>shirtless and in just in my shorts. He's like you

0:41:22.231 --> 0:41:24.151
<v Speaker 2>sure like you should I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah. He's

0:41:24.191 --> 0:41:25.911
<v Speaker 2>like all right, let's do it. And I was like yes,

0:41:26.591 --> 0:41:28.751
<v Speaker 2>So that that was for me. That was like you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm doing this for them big body people

0:41:30.871 --> 0:41:34.111
<v Speaker 2>that all the big moment you know, aren't seeing us

0:41:34.151 --> 0:41:37.271
<v Speaker 2>on screens. I was like, this is that's for us,

0:41:37.511 --> 0:41:40.751
<v Speaker 2>and so it's just yeah, I mean and for myself

0:41:40.791 --> 0:41:42.871
<v Speaker 2>as well, like I think shame is it has been

0:41:42.951 --> 0:41:47.191
<v Speaker 2>big in my life. And it's like, well, like you

0:41:47.231 --> 0:41:50.351
<v Speaker 2>can try and call me fat or call me obi

0:41:50.511 --> 0:41:52.471
<v Speaker 2>so or whatever. You're like, it's not gonna be the

0:41:52.471 --> 0:41:55.431
<v Speaker 2>one that's got the problems, Like I don't care, Like,

0:41:55.471 --> 0:41:56.671
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, she heard me.

0:41:56.791 --> 0:41:58.591
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah yeah.

0:41:59.951 --> 0:42:03.631
<v Speaker 2>Cool, I could cool you fat and you'd be more

0:42:03.671 --> 0:42:06.271
<v Speaker 2>will hurt than me. Like it's one of those situations

0:42:06.271 --> 0:42:08.471
<v Speaker 2>where it's like you need the one that has to

0:42:08.511 --> 0:42:15.031
<v Speaker 2>go just check yourself properly, please. But yeah, I think

0:42:15.791 --> 0:42:19.111
<v Speaker 2>just doing daily things here and there. Community things is

0:42:19.311 --> 0:42:22.271
<v Speaker 2>as big as well, whether it be community theater, a

0:42:22.351 --> 0:42:25.951
<v Speaker 2>lot of people community walks these days as well, with

0:42:26.271 --> 0:42:29.271
<v Speaker 2>health and fitness being a big thing and deadly choices

0:42:29.351 --> 0:42:33.591
<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff. So yeah, I think just getting

0:42:33.591 --> 0:42:36.231
<v Speaker 2>out there and just kind of not being a shame

0:42:36.351 --> 0:42:39.551
<v Speaker 2>to talk to random people sometimes too, saying good every now,

0:42:40.511 --> 0:42:42.831
<v Speaker 2>that's a good thing to kind of break down be

0:42:42.951 --> 0:42:46.311
<v Speaker 2>in shame as well, because I think once MOB leaves

0:42:46.391 --> 0:42:51.911
<v Speaker 2>shame in the bin, then it's dangerous Like this, I

0:42:51.911 --> 0:42:55.311
<v Speaker 2>don't think. I don't think anyone's ready for once Mob

0:42:55.511 --> 0:42:58.071
<v Speaker 2>stopped using the word shame like it's it's a lot

0:42:58.071 --> 0:43:02.071
<v Speaker 2>of no one. Yeah, I'm excited for when that happens.

0:43:02.071 --> 0:43:03.591
<v Speaker 2>I think that's that's going to be special.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, gosh, there's so much beauty and wisdom and what

0:43:09.191 --> 0:43:11.871
<v Speaker 1>you've just shared, and I think, you know, like full circle,

0:43:11.911 --> 0:43:14.311
<v Speaker 1>circling back to where we started the fact that we're

0:43:14.351 --> 0:43:18.231
<v Speaker 1>here talking about debunking and being mystifying shame. You know,

0:43:18.471 --> 0:43:20.951
<v Speaker 1>there might be someone in their car, someone on a

0:43:20.991 --> 0:43:24.311
<v Speaker 1>walk right now, you know who really needs to hear that.

0:43:24.631 --> 0:43:27.351
<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to say thank you for reminding us

0:43:27.431 --> 0:43:30.831
<v Speaker 1>all and also that you push through that and now

0:43:30.831 --> 0:43:33.431
<v Speaker 1>you're creating a conversation. But you're living at bro you're

0:43:33.471 --> 0:43:36.031
<v Speaker 1>living in your truth, and you're right once you're sort

0:43:36.031 --> 0:43:39.671
<v Speaker 1>of once you I mean, the world is hard. We

0:43:39.711 --> 0:43:42.151
<v Speaker 1>know that as blackfellows. You know, it's a certain hard

0:43:42.191 --> 0:43:45.311
<v Speaker 1>that we shouldn't have to feel. But you know, when

0:43:45.351 --> 0:43:51.271
<v Speaker 1>we allow ourselves to really honor our own voice, our intuition,

0:43:51.511 --> 0:43:54.911
<v Speaker 1>our knowing, what it is that fills us up, lights

0:43:54.991 --> 0:43:58.111
<v Speaker 1>us up, brings us joy. Once we're at a place

0:43:58.111 --> 0:44:01.031
<v Speaker 1>where we can accept that and we can be on

0:44:01.071 --> 0:44:05.071
<v Speaker 1>our authentic selves, then you're like you say, we're literally unstoppable,

0:44:05.191 --> 0:44:08.151
<v Speaker 1>Like we are so powerful in that. And you know,

0:44:08.351 --> 0:44:12.271
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a beautiful thing that once you're there in

0:44:12.311 --> 0:44:14.671
<v Speaker 1>life and it's work and all that, and you have

0:44:14.711 --> 0:44:18.311
<v Speaker 1>to keep reminding yourself, sure, but once you're at that place,

0:44:18.791 --> 0:44:21.431
<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a piece and a power that comes

0:44:21.471 --> 0:44:24.311
<v Speaker 1>with that. So I love that. And you get to

0:44:24.391 --> 0:44:27.791
<v Speaker 1>sort of, like you say, liberate yourself through other characters

0:44:28.511 --> 0:44:32.551
<v Speaker 1>and explore other characters, which is just beautiful. And I

0:44:32.671 --> 0:44:34.951
<v Speaker 1>just want to sort of replay what you said in

0:44:35.111 --> 0:44:37.471
<v Speaker 1>terms of some of those tips, which is you know,

0:44:37.591 --> 0:44:42.071
<v Speaker 1>starting small, you know, having a yarn, putting yourself out there.

0:44:42.111 --> 0:44:44.271
<v Speaker 1>I think after COVID we have become a little like

0:44:44.431 --> 0:44:48.631
<v Speaker 1>in our bubbles. So yeah, go out meet people, say hello,

0:44:48.911 --> 0:44:51.991
<v Speaker 1>on a on your walk at a cafe or and

0:44:52.071 --> 0:44:54.951
<v Speaker 1>just you know, really notice, Okay, how did I feel?

0:44:54.991 --> 0:44:57.951
<v Speaker 1>What did it come up for me? And pushing yourself

0:44:58.271 --> 0:45:00.991
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes there's like the little steps over time become

0:45:01.031 --> 0:45:05.391
<v Speaker 1>big steps. And yeah, sometimes dipping your toe in community

0:45:06.871 --> 0:45:09.471
<v Speaker 1>in community arts, it's a great way to build a

0:45:09.551 --> 0:45:13.151
<v Speaker 1>network and community around you. And so you can do

0:45:13.191 --> 0:45:15.671
<v Speaker 1>this with people in your corner as well. So they're

0:45:15.751 --> 0:45:18.071
<v Speaker 1>really great practical tips. Thank you, Mi bro.

0:45:18.791 --> 0:45:21.951
<v Speaker 2>No, that's they I feel like I feel like they, Yeah,

0:45:21.991 --> 0:45:26.871
<v Speaker 2>people aren't ready for once we drop shame like this. Yeah,

0:45:27.031 --> 0:45:29.671
<v Speaker 2>they don't know what's like, we know what's going to

0:45:29.711 --> 0:45:33.111
<v Speaker 2>be like, but they yeah, it's going to be insane.

0:45:33.351 --> 0:45:33.911
<v Speaker 2>I think so.

0:45:34.711 --> 0:45:36.551
<v Speaker 1>And I think with that too my brain like we

0:45:36.671 --> 0:45:38.711
<v Speaker 1>sort of also as black fellows, need to get better

0:45:38.791 --> 0:45:41.271
<v Speaker 1>at not shaming people up or you know, I think

0:45:41.311 --> 0:45:44.231
<v Speaker 1>it's also two way, like you know, we we we've

0:45:44.231 --> 0:45:46.791
<v Speaker 1>had shame in our community because of a reason and

0:45:46.871 --> 0:45:49.511
<v Speaker 1>as I understand, is like we don't want people to

0:45:49.551 --> 0:45:51.831
<v Speaker 1>get too big for their boots because back in the day,

0:45:51.951 --> 0:45:54.391
<v Speaker 1>if you were too confident, you'd put your tribe and

0:45:54.431 --> 0:45:57.351
<v Speaker 1>mob at risk doing the you know, wmber things and

0:45:57.391 --> 0:46:00.351
<v Speaker 1>so there was a there was a purpose for it.

0:46:00.431 --> 0:46:02.951
<v Speaker 1>But the challenge is is in this place, you know,

0:46:02.991 --> 0:46:05.591
<v Speaker 1>we've been paid it as problems to be solved, we

0:46:05.911 --> 0:46:08.871
<v Speaker 1>start to believe that we are, you know, not worthy

0:46:08.991 --> 0:46:12.351
<v Speaker 1>of living a life that we love, and that shame

0:46:12.431 --> 0:46:16.191
<v Speaker 1>holds us back. And that's where I think it's really problematic.

0:46:16.471 --> 0:46:19.871
<v Speaker 1>So I love this conversation just to think about where

0:46:19.911 --> 0:46:24.351
<v Speaker 1>we will be as people without the shame is just yeah, deadly.

0:46:25.751 --> 0:46:27.871
<v Speaker 1>My final question to you, my bro, because I know

0:46:27.911 --> 0:46:30.991
<v Speaker 1>you're probably tired and you've got to get back to performing,

0:46:31.511 --> 0:46:33.991
<v Speaker 1>but you know, what are you hoping to? What's your

0:46:34.071 --> 0:46:36.791
<v Speaker 1>legacy that you hope to You know, through all this work,

0:46:36.831 --> 0:46:38.551
<v Speaker 1>have you thought about what it is you hope to

0:46:38.591 --> 0:46:42.271
<v Speaker 1>sort of build as you grow? And yeah, what it

0:46:42.351 --> 0:46:44.991
<v Speaker 1>is you want to be known for in this my bro?

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<v Speaker 2>Cool? That's good.

0:46:50.071 --> 0:46:51.871
<v Speaker 1>It's a big one, I think, isn't it.

0:46:52.871 --> 0:46:58.431
<v Speaker 2>I think if I like to think that if you

0:47:00.231 --> 0:47:02.751
<v Speaker 2>something comes up and someone thinks of me and they

0:47:02.871 --> 0:47:07.791
<v Speaker 2>smile and leave, then I feel like that's that's a legacy.

0:47:07.791 --> 0:47:11.671
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty happy with leaving behind and creating for myself

0:47:11.751 --> 0:47:16.991
<v Speaker 2>because then I know that my job for what I'm

0:47:17.031 --> 0:47:20.871
<v Speaker 2>doing on this on this earth is being done right

0:47:21.031 --> 0:47:27.471
<v Speaker 2>and given people laughter and putting smiles on their faces.

0:47:27.551 --> 0:47:29.511
<v Speaker 2>And even if I don't have to be in front

0:47:29.511 --> 0:47:31.471
<v Speaker 2>of you, but do you think of something that I've

0:47:31.511 --> 0:47:36.311
<v Speaker 2>done or just something come up and you just see

0:47:36.391 --> 0:47:39.351
<v Speaker 2>me and smile and I know that, like I'm putting

0:47:39.431 --> 0:47:43.031
<v Speaker 2>joy out there for everyone. So yeah, I think that's

0:47:43.271 --> 0:47:44.991
<v Speaker 2>the type of legacy I feel like i'd love to

0:47:45.831 --> 0:47:46.391
<v Speaker 2>leave behind.

0:47:48.111 --> 0:47:50.511
<v Speaker 1>I love that, And you're going to make me tear

0:47:50.671 --> 0:47:53.951
<v Speaker 1>up good ways, you know. I think we're always in

0:47:53.991 --> 0:47:57.271
<v Speaker 1>a state of striving and just to be reminded of

0:47:57.311 --> 0:48:01.391
<v Speaker 1>somebody who yeah, loved their life, made people feel good

0:48:01.431 --> 0:48:05.391
<v Speaker 1>about themselves and smile and be because Lord knows we

0:48:05.511 --> 0:48:08.111
<v Speaker 1>need it right now more than ever before. We need

0:48:08.151 --> 0:48:11.191
<v Speaker 1>that healing, We need that laughter, we need that silliness.

0:48:11.831 --> 0:48:15.751
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's beautiful. Well I want to say thank you.

0:48:15.831 --> 0:48:18.351
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to put all of Jalen's details in our

0:48:18.391 --> 0:48:21.471
<v Speaker 1>show notes so you can go along and follow all

0:48:21.511 --> 0:48:25.031
<v Speaker 1>of what he's doing, all that he's creating and be

0:48:25.151 --> 0:48:27.551
<v Speaker 1>smiling up with all of us along the way at

0:48:27.551 --> 0:48:30.151
<v Speaker 1>what you'd be doing. Bro, So thank you so much

0:48:30.191 --> 0:48:33.071
<v Speaker 1>for being on Yarning Up, considering again you're in the

0:48:33.071 --> 0:48:33.951
<v Speaker 1>middle of shows.

0:48:34.951 --> 0:48:37.871
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, MOB for having me. It's been unreal and

0:48:38.111 --> 0:48:41.631
<v Speaker 2>I love company. Y'are on things, so thank you for

0:48:41.751 --> 0:48:46.151
<v Speaker 2>having me with you follows it's been deadly, oh deadly.

0:48:46.591 --> 0:48:52.231
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, my bro. Thank you so much for listening

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