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Speaker 1: In breaking news throughout the morning, we know that the

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Leaf and Ochiro says that we need a

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Speaker 1: day urgently where we recall Parliament to deal with the

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Speaker 1: issues that we have in the Northern territory right now

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Speaker 1: around crime. The Opposition leader Leaf and Occhio joins me

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Speaker 1: in the studio, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. In to your listeners, Lea, why do.

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Speaker 1: We need to recall Parliament for a day to deal

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Speaker 1: with this issue of crime.

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Speaker 2: I'm really concerned about the lack of action on crime,

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Speaker 2: as are many Territorians, Katie. We certainly tried last sittings

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Speaker 2: to pass important bow reform that just targets repeat offending

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Speaker 2: and offenders out on bail. The government have promised some

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Speaker 2: sort of law and order reform for May, and I

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Speaker 2: just we just cannot wait any longer. We've had the

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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner come out and say property crime is likely

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Speaker 2: to escalate, and unfortunately for May. May is budget sittings,

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Speaker 2: so any law and order reform is going to be

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Speaker 2: put as second to that and it's going to get

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Speaker 2: swallowed up in that budget debate. It's too important to

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Speaker 2: wait for and that's certainly the message we've received loud

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Speaker 2: and clear. I want the government and territories to know

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Speaker 2: that my team are ready to go. We will reseit

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Speaker 2: this week. I think one day would be more than enough.

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Speaker 2: We need to deal with our boo reform and of

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Speaker 2: course whatever reform the government has cobbled together and just

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Speaker 3: But I mean, do we.

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Speaker 1: Need to actually allow the government here to get this

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Speaker 1: legislation together and get it right?

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Speaker 2: Well, of course we want it right. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what status their legislation is at. I mean, of course

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Speaker 2: it took a current affair to make Alice bring our

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Speaker 2: thing that's spurred the Chief Minister into action. That and

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Speaker 2: the fact that we had our own legislation that presumably

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Speaker 2: So this is a government that's too proud and too

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Speaker 2: stubborn to accept what we're putting forward as possible solutions

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Speaker 2: and just wants to blindly push ahead with its agenda. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, let's both of us work on this together.

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Speaker 2: We've got ours. You come into Parliament and mend it,

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Speaker 2: make it stronger, make it better. We welcome and we'll

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Speaker 2: look at yours. But so far no one's seen what

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Speaker 2: they're proposing, and it's just we cannot wait until May.

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Speaker 2: It's too far away and we don't even I mean

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Speaker 2: the chiefments that did not even commit today to bringing

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Speaker 2: it on urgency, so we might not see this reform

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Speaker 1: Lea take a listen to exactly what the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner had to say on the show to me

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Speaker 1: just a little bit earlier. You're ruling out recalling parliament

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Speaker 1: for a day. You can rule that out this morning.

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Speaker 4: I see that as a stunt from the COLP. We'll

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Speaker 4: be doing it properly in the May sittings, as you

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Speaker 1: And you are confident then that in the May sittings

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Speaker 1: the legislation that's going to pass. You're telling me that

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Speaker 4: Firstly, so I support it being done on urgency. We

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Speaker 4: haven't made that decision yet. I've got do that with

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Speaker 4: with urgently. The one caveat there is you can ever

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Speaker 4: make mistakes with legislation like this, because only when it

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Speaker 4: an important caveat, I think. But for me, May sittings

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Speaker 4: what so May four is when we sit for parliaments.

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Speaker 4: When I introduced the budgets, it's a lot happening in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you're still going to try and do that,

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Speaker 1: even though the budget is being handed down, even though

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Speaker 4: Of sittings is a six day sitting period. We can

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Speaker 4: absolutely do both tasks, and I think people expect us

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Speaker 3: Leah.

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Speaker 1: Firstly, is this a stunt by the opposition?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to pass our legislation urgently weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: I said at that time that when the government just

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Speaker 2: We want this reform happening asap. The governments, you know,

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Speaker 3: But fine.

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Speaker 2: That means they've had weeks now to look at it.

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Speaker 2: They must know what their position is, they must know

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Speaker 2: crime legislation is urgent. So this is not a stunt.

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Speaker 2: We can recall Parliament at any time. We can tackle

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Speaker 2: both of these law and order reforms in one day,

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Speaker 2: get it done, start putting the rights of victims above

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Speaker 1: Are you confident that this legislation is you know, if

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Speaker 1: it gets passed on urgency, that we're going to get

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why we'll need the day to look at it.

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Speaker 2: I mean we are very happy to do what it

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's not forget we don't even know what

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Speaker 3: And you know, ultimately they're the government.

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Speaker 2: They have all of the resources of their public service

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Speaker 2: to get feedback from stakeholders. It's not an excuse that

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Speaker 2: it has taken this long. Our bill is six short pages,

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Speaker 2: it's very very simple, and we've only received positive feedback

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Speaker 3: Will we deliver consequences for people who continuously do the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when do you think that parliament should be recalled?

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Speaker 1: Just going back to exactly what you came in here

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Speaker 2: Happy to this week, any day this week, obviously, the

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Speaker 3: We don't care.

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Speaker 2: And I really want people to know that, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Opposition stand ready to work with government on law

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Speaker 2: and order. We have done what we think is a

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Speaker 2: don't think people want the Parliament waiting until May to

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Speaker 2: repeat offenders. So we're saying we're ready to do the

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Speaker 2: hard work. We're ready to sit in Parliament for as

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Speaker 2: long as it takes. Let's get the law and order

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Speaker 2: then of course in May we can deal with the budget.

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Speaker 2: And heck, if there's more law and order reform to

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Speaker 1: So, Lea, are you going to support their legislation when

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Speaker 2: I imagine we would. I gain I haven't seen in

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Speaker 3: But if it even just a.

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Speaker 2: Millimeter moves in a better direction than where we are now,

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Speaker 2: of course we'll support it. We'd rather be part of

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Speaker 2: and certainly if there's areas in which we can proffer

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Speaker 2: No laws can be passed unless we're in parliament. Let's

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Speaker 1: That has been the sentiment from a couple of our

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Speaker 1: a better outcome for territorians. Absolutely, really you think, you

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Speaker 1: us to recall Parliament for a day and get this

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Speaker 2: I think so because otherwise we have to wait until May.

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Speaker 2: It'll probably be the second week in May, and that

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Speaker 2: So I'll just explain that for listeners because it's a

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Speaker 2: It means we won't pass it in May. But if

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Speaker 3: Could pass it in May.

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Speaker 2: So the government hasn't even committed to doing that process

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Speaker 1: Isn't allude to that this morning? I mean he said

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Speaker 2: His preference, but that they hadn't sat down and made

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Speaker 2: a decision yet. I mean, what other members of the

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Speaker 2: Labour carkers doing if they haven't made a decision to

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Speaker 2: bring legislation about crime on urgency. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 2: such a simple thing. We did it weeks ago in Parliament.

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Speaker 2: We thought our Boo reform is urgent. We can draw

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Speaker 2: a line in the sand now and start to tip

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Speaker 2: the balance back to supporting victims. And so the government

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Speaker 2: haven't even made that first fundamental step of let's pass

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Speaker 3: So I'm just worried.

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Speaker 2: If we wait till May, it really won't be May

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Speaker 2: at all, and we're going to be looking at it August.

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Speaker 1: There are six days of Parliament sitting in May, though,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it is that enough to be able

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Speaker 2: It is enough time, but it won't be in the

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Speaker 2: first week. So obviously time is of the essence. Every

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Speaker 2: day every week that we wait is more victims. And

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Speaker 2: I mean we've seen terrible strings of commercial break in

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Speaker 2: the horrendous issue with the twelve year old finding in

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Speaker 2: broken into seven times since they opened. I mean, just

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Speaker 2: it continues to go on and on. So every day

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Speaker 2: is thousands more dollars, you know, tens, if not hundreds,

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Speaker 2: more victims across the territory, more pain and anxiety. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: May there is ample time in sittings, but the first

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Speaker 2: week is going to be absorbed by budget and ultimately,

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Speaker 2: and this is the important point, the government have not

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Speaker 2: decided to move that bill through all stages in May,

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Speaker 2: so it might not actually be laur in May. They

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Speaker 2: might just introduce it. So I'm saying, forget about May.

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Speaker 2: It's too far away and there's too many question marks

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Speaker 2: around it. Let's bring it forward this week. Let's only

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Speaker 2: talk about crime, and then no one can go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: We're all in that room where eyeballing each other, and

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Speaker 2: we're not leaving until a lawyer has passed on crime.

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Speaker 1: Lea. Have you spoken to the Police Association or police

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Speaker 1: about this and are they support it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I haven't spoken to them about the urgency component,

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Speaker 2: but of course they came out very supportive around our

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Speaker 2: BAO reform bill, and we know that you know, certainly

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Speaker 2: from my perspective, our team want to do everything we

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Speaker 2: can to support our police who are really working overtime

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Speaker 2: at the moment to try and keep territory and safe.

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Speaker 2: So we know the Police Association and others support our legislation.

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Speaker 2: Of course, a couple of weeks ago we had Chamber

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Speaker 2: of Commerce and the Hotels Association as well come out

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Speaker 2: and say moving quicker is better than moving slower. So

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Speaker 2: let's just do this. It's really not a big deal.

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Speaker 2: We come together for one day, we only talk about crime,

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Speaker 2: we work together. We pass the legislation or with some

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Speaker 2: form of a mixture of our bill and their bill.

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Speaker 2: We don't care, but we want it done so that

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Speaker 2: it's on the books, that it's being implemented, and then

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Speaker 2: of course we can look at further reform as we

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Speaker 2: keep going. I don't think this is just a one

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Speaker 2: off thing, but I really want something to be done

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Speaker 2: as soon as possible, because you know, we had a

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Speaker 2: chance a few weeks ago. The government just missed that

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Speaker 3: Let's not do that again.

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Speaker 2: Come to the table, get your bill done, get my

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Speaker 2: bill done, and let's start talking together about putting victims

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Speaker 2: not offenders.

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Speaker 1: First opposition lead to Leofanocchio. We will leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Take care everyone. It is just on a.

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Speaker 1: Quarter past ten eight nine four one one oh four nine.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like to call through this morning, what do

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Speaker 1: you think should Parliament be recalled for a day so

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Speaker 1: that we can get this issue sorted on urgency