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Speaker 2: Now I'm just listening with a smile eye face. I

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's Friday again. I can't believe that

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Speaker 3: I'm not someone who counts down the days until Christmas

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Speaker 2: a lot to discuss. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: us on the Happy Family Podcast. I'm justin he with Kylie.

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Speaker 2: We've got six kids. I've written books about making families

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Speaker 2: happy and I've got a TV show called Parental Guidance

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Speaker 2: on Channel nine. Season two is getting very very close.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. I cannot wait for that. We have

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Speaker 2: had an overwhelming amount of feedback to the Happy Families

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Speaker 2: We love even more when you send voice memos. But

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Speaker 2: Central Coast in response to episode five hundred and sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: In the podcast, I actually had posed the question, I

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Speaker 3: It's just an acknowledgment. This is what's coming up.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't hear that. It just like you said, it's

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad that being married to me and

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Speaker 2: things are chaos. We really hope that you've enjoyed our

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Speaker 2: I'll Do Better Tomorrow podcast today on the Happy Families podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is produced by Justin ruland from Bridge Media. Craig

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Speaker 2: Bruce is our executive producer. Have a great weekend, and

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