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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: wants answers.

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Speaker 3: Now. I used to put far too much pressure on myself.

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Speaker 4: To think I had to have all of that together,

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Speaker 4: and the only person I was letting down was myself.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 5: Hello. This stock Justin Colson, the author of six books

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Speaker 5: about raising happy families. And I'm here with my wife

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Speaker 5: and co hosts missus Happy Families, Kylie, the mum to

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Speaker 5: our six daughters. Today special guest, Kylie.

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Speaker 1: We're here with Jessica Row today. I bet it feels

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Speaker 1: awesome to have the kids all at school.

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Speaker 3: Yay, I'm so relieved.

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Speaker 5: It feels good, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's the best.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I'm not the only one. When the holidays

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Speaker 4: they were great. It was lovely to have downtime, but

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Speaker 4: they were long. They were a long holiday.

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Speaker 2: And I think when it backs, when it backs onto

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Speaker 2: the year we had, they really did feel long, didn't they.

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Speaker 4: Well, it did, and I think as well because for

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Speaker 4: a lot of people it was still disruptive the break,

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Speaker 4: you know, there was still with various Christmas plans.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, borders opening and closing all exactly.

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Speaker 3: That uncertainty kept sort of rolling on.

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Speaker 2: So oh yeah, yeah, Well I'm sitting there right with

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Speaker 2: you on that on that couch. I am definitely grateful

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Speaker 2: the kids are back at school. On Instagram, Jess, you're

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Speaker 2: known as the self proclaimed a crap housewife.

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Speaker 1: I can't even say that. It doesn't roll off my

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Speaker 5: It doesn't roll off your tongue because you're not like that, es.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not not making any comparisons, but Kylie.

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Speaker 5: Kylie would feel a little uncomfortable if somebody walked into

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Speaker 5: the house and said, you must be a crap housewife.

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Speaker 5: Just don't know if she's gonna respond well to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, we do what works for us.

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Speaker 4: And I have embraced being a crap housewife, Kylie. I

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Speaker 3: I'm not a great cook.

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Speaker 4: I used to put far too much pressure on myself

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Speaker 4: I'd get myself in such a ladder, And so now

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Speaker 4: I go, you know what, I'm enough. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: But I think the key is you do what works

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Speaker 1: I just love it.

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Speaker 2: This week, it seems that you have made national headlines

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Speaker 2: for exactly that we.

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Speaker 5: Well, actually, it wasn't just making national headlines. Let's be clear.

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Speaker 5: Here was this is Jess's daughter's lunchbox from twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: that made national headlines.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us all why was your daughter's lunchbox

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, how hilarious that the lunchbox have

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Speaker 4: made national headlines. Essentially, what happened? We're getting ready for

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Speaker 3: Low and behold, in my.

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Speaker 3: Is we've all been there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure for you guys too, perhaps when

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Speaker 4: which is eleven, and there was this powdery substance in

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Speaker 4: the bottom and it was an orange.

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Speaker 3: It was a whole orange.

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Speaker 4: That had basically over the time, had just powered into

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Speaker 3: All kind of boh. And I think the thing is

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Speaker 4: Instant because we hear negative things about social media, but

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Speaker 4: what I love was hearing all these other people's stories.

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Speaker 4: We can laugh at ourselves, we can think we are

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Speaker 4: doing our best. And if you have that stenchy lunchbox

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Speaker 4: every now and then, that's okay, because you know, today

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Speaker 4: my daughter's got off to school with new lunchboxes with

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Speaker 4: food that wasn't molded in the lunchboxes.

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Speaker 3: So that's the wind.

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Speaker 5: I'm just thinking about the detoxifying properties of five or

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Speaker 5: six week old cucumber juice.

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Speaker 2: There's no detoxifying crisis. They just go on the bin,

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Speaker 4: Just I had to say to my daughter, I know

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Speaker 4: the lid, but I'm sorry, darling.

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Speaker 5: God, So I've got I've got a serious question for you,

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Speaker 5: jess self proclaimed crap housewife. You make no secret whatsoever

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Speaker 5: and love you for it. But what I would love

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Speaker 5: to know is, as somebody who isn't into putting in

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Speaker 5: a deep, wholehearted master chef effort when it comes to

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Speaker 5: your children's lunch boxes, how do you how do you

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Speaker 5: create something to go in the lunch box that they'll

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Speaker 5: Oh well, maybe you don't. Maybe that's why you've got

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Speaker 5: five week old cucumber there.

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Speaker 3: That's right, you see.

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Speaker 4: If someone had the answer to that, justin I would

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Speaker 3: I'm open to any tips, any hints.

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Speaker 4: Any suggestions, because like so many of us, you want

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Speaker 4: to pack healthy food that they're going to eat that

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Speaker 4: won't you won't to put all this sort of time

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Speaker 3: I mean, I always start with good intentions.

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Speaker 4: So I made both of my daughter's lunches this morning,

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Speaker 4: but often we'll do a bit of a lunch order

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Speaker 3: Somehaps that's pretty good at the school canteen.

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Speaker 5: You can't go wrong when you're spending any on someone

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Speaker 5: else's food, right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: So no, I have no qualms of doing that, but

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Speaker 4: I honestly I wish I had the answer. I just

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Speaker 4: you know what, I try and keep it simple. I'll

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Speaker 4: put a treat in there as well. Of course, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, an apple.

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Speaker 4: I did get a little excited about new containers. So

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Speaker 4: carrots in and cucumber. So I'm hoping that the new

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Speaker 5: The food's that much more attractive because it's in a

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Speaker 4: Right exactly, and that they can dip it in the

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Speaker 4: other in the little they almost in it. So I honestly,

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Speaker 4: I'm open to plenty of suggestions because you know what,

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Speaker 4: keep it simple, they're not going to that. They won't starve.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if there's food in there, they're going to

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Speaker 4: eat it.

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Speaker 5: Today, I thought you were going to say, keep it simple,

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Speaker 5: they're not going to eat it anyway.

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Speaker 2: Well, I reckon, Jess, If you carry on listening, You're

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Speaker 2: going to find out that we've got some tips that

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Speaker 2: just might help you as well as everybody else with

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Speaker 2: this whole lunchbox.

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Speaker 3: Dill Emma, I am listening. I need all the help

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Speaker 3: I can get. Hid.

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Speaker 5: We'll do that right after the break.

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Speaker 2: It's a Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 2: poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 5: Now, you've made some big promises to Jessica Rowe. That

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Speaker 5: was such a fun conversation. I truly cannot believe that

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Speaker 2: Like seriously, it is a little bit sad that a

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Speaker 5: It's better than reading about Donald Trump. So what what

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Speaker 5: are your hacks? Because you've made this big promise, Jessica's

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Speaker 5: got to get these tips so that you can actually

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Speaker 5: get a kids to eat lunch. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 5: We can do about this? By the way, I have

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Speaker 5: to mention something that has worked for one of our

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Speaker 5: know where you got the idea. You've made toasted sandwiches

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Speaker 5: in the morning, let them cool off, put them in

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Speaker 5: the lunch box, and the kids are eating toasted cold sandwiches.

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Speaker 5: What's with that?

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Speaker 1: There wasn't even a crust left in the lunch box.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but they love toasted sandwiches,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, I'll just give it a go because

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Speaker 5: They're eating them cold. They're eating toasted sandwiches four hours

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Speaker 5: later cold. So that's our number one hack. I mean,

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Speaker 5: just try it. You never know what else have you got.

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Speaker 2: Look, I was really just thinking around the whole dilemma

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Speaker 2: that Jess had, So it wasn't necessarily about what goes

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Speaker 1: Can we make sure that doesn't happen at.

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Speaker 2: And these days schools are actually putting a lot of

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Speaker 5: And can't go to school. And also you've got to

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Speaker 5: make sure that you bring off the rubbish home and yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I was thinking more along those lines. And one

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Speaker 2: a lot of schools are saying they don't want disposable

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like you clean rap sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so one of the things that I've done

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Speaker 2: this year, which has been brilliant. My sister actually brought

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Speaker 5: Or at least at the end of the term. Don't

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Speaker 2: There's my favorite is just you know, your generic container

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Speaker 1: And the reason it's working for me is I can.

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Speaker 2: Keeping things cool that's really tricky at times too. And

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Speaker 5: I mean, the kids go off soundwiches and you start

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