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Speaker 1: One of the most popular books that I've been hearing

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Speaker 1: is from the number one podcast on the planet. Her

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Speaker 1: name is Mel Robbins and the book is called The

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Speaker 1: Let Them Theory, The Let Them Theory. I've been too

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Speaker 1: busy writing my own book to read this one, but Kylie,

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Speaker 1: missus Happy Families, has spent the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: diving deep into this New York Times bestseller that has

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Speaker 1: boomed up the charts everywhere. And today we tell you

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Speaker 1: what that let Them theory is and what it means

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Speaker 1: for peace, serenity, calm, bliss and all the good things

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Speaker 1: in your life. I think I don't actually know what

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Speaker 1: Kylie's going to say. Gooday, thanks so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us on the Happy Families podcast, Real Parenting Solutions every

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Speaker 1: single day on Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. We are

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Speaker 1: Justin and Kylie Colson. All Right, Kylie, let's get straight

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Speaker 1: into it. You're not the expert on the let Them Theory.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the actual title of the book, They Let

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Speaker 2: Them Theory, that's it.

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Speaker 1: But let Them Theory? Okay, what is if you can

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Speaker 1: tell me? Well, you're not the expert and didn't write

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Speaker 1: the book. What is the let them theory?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm actually going to let mail tell you. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to read a little excerpt from the beginning of

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Speaker 3: a book because it's just it's such a profound thought.

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Speaker 3: If you're if you're reading this book wanting someone to

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Speaker 3: mody coddle you and to speak gently, she is not

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Speaker 3: the person. She speaks hard truth and they can be

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Speaker 2: Slap in the belly with a wet fish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit maybe across that, a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, But this is what she says.

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Speaker 1: Ok, she says.

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Speaker 3: The let them theory is about freedom, two simple words,

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Speaker 3: let them.

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Speaker 2: I thought you're going to say.

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Speaker 3: Freedom will free you from the burden of trying to

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Speaker 3: manage other people. When you stop obsessing over what other

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Speaker 3: people think, say, or do, you finally have the energy

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Speaker 3: to focus on your own life. You stop reacting and

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Speaker 3: start living. Instead of driving yourself crazy trying to manage

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Speaker 3: or please other people, you'll learn to let them. So

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Speaker 3: what does this look like? Imagine you're at work and

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Speaker 3: your colleague is in a bad mood. Instead of letting

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Speaker 3: their negativity affect you, you just say let them, let

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Speaker 3: them be grumpy, it's not your problem. Focus on your

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Speaker 1: I've got to cut you off for a sec. This

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Speaker 1: sounds like that thing that I said to you about

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Speaker 1: ten years ago that really changed our relationship. I felt

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Speaker 1: like you were cranky at me. I felt like you

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Speaker 2: I felt like I was.

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Speaker 1: Doing everything I could to support you and it wasn't working.

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Speaker 1: And one day I said, I'm not going to let

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Speaker 1: I'm here to support you. But you get to choose

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Speaker 3: And I think, generally speaking, men are a lot better

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Speaker 1: go about my day. That's kind of what she's saying.

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Speaker 1: That's one hundred Okay, So if my mother in law

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Speaker 2: That's your choice.

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Speaker 1: But I'm seventy years old and I'm going to live

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Speaker 1: the life that I want to live. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: Other people book? Got it? Just you?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of so many people we need to give

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Speaker 3: Here's how it works.

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Speaker 2: Are you still going?

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Speaker 3: When you stop trying to control things that aren't yours

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Speaker 3: Not specifically in this book, she.

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Speaker 2: Does adult the adult.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, and she does acknowledge that a parental

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Speaker 3: But she has something that you could go and look

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Speaker 3: let them theory. She said, too often people stop there

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Speaker 3: she said, the let them theory isn't just let them. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it begins with these two words, but that's not the

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't mind if we were the number one podcasts globally,

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Speaker 1: Is this the bit where you say, just let them

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Speaker 3: It better be worth it.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, what did you love most about Mel Robin's

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and so we actually Number one, give our power

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Speaker 3: Number two the power of let me. This is really

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Speaker 3: She said. Regardless of what circumstances and situations of which

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Speaker 1: We are nearly out of time, and I feel like,

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Speaker 3: You won't here last.

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Speaker 1: The sad thing about that for me is there's no gratitude,

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Speaker 2: Draw some boundaries. Mail Robins.

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Speaker 3: But as I read that, I was thinking of all

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Speaker 1: We're out of time, But I've got a question for you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: have you been using any of the let them theory

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Speaker 3: And you're thinking about everybody being a people pleaser, I'm

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Speaker 3: That's not why I made the decision, and I didn't

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Speaker 3: that's okay. It's not mine to fix it's that's theirs.

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Speaker 1: The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins is Kylie Coulson's

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Speaker 1: new favorite book. Fair call It's pretty good.

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