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Speaker 1: for clicking and downloading. On today's episode with Alana MacLean,
Speaker 1: who has more opinions on housewives than Sudden and her
Speaker 1: mother's opinions on cutlery and glassware combined, we go deep
Speaker 1: on the eleventh episode of Beverly Hills season fourteen, which
Speaker 1: is called Mind Your Business, which is ironic for Alana
Speaker 1: and I because I have to tell you that we've
Speaker 1: never minded our own business and we will tell you
Speaker 1: our opinion even when you haven't asked for it. We
Speaker 1: will discuss the way in which this episode is all
Speaker 1: about Sudden Stratt and how that made us feel as
Speaker 1: it took up most of the eleventh episode. I will
Speaker 1: get Alana's perspective on Sudden Strat's mother and if Garcel
Speaker 1: should have stuck her nose in the Strats business. We
Speaker 1: will address the absence of Jennifer Tilly and if Elana
Speaker 1: even noticed that she wasn't in this episode. Again, you
Speaker 1: were going to get plenty of chat on Dret's drama
Speaker 1: Army and what Shift viewers saw in their recent catch up,
Speaker 1: what we thought of Bozeman's current relationship, news about them
Speaker 1: not saying that they love each other but still trying
Speaker 1: to have a baby, and we have an update on
Speaker 1: Lisa Renner and Teddy Mellencamp. There is actually so much
Speaker 1: to talk about with this episode, with so many inside
Speaker 1: revelations from our perspective. So guys, sit back and relax
Speaker 1: as we unpack the wonderful world of the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills Season fourteen, Episode eleven.
Speaker 2: We're in pajamas. I'm in ac countlash pajamas.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, someone gave them to me from business class and
Speaker 3: they were going to get rid of them because they
Speaker 3: had too many pairs, and I was like, no, that'll
Speaker 3: be fantastic tanning pajamas.
Speaker 2: So you get to see me look at these.
Speaker 3: It's so spot cheap it, I mean, I'll look fabulous
Speaker 3: in about five hours.
Speaker 1: I'd just like to be here for the marination of
Speaker 1: the tan.
Speaker 3: Like I just asked, the journey, it's a special journey, Tanny.
Speaker 1: I just appreciate as well that we take the opportunity
Speaker 1: to record this podcast and do things for our health
Speaker 1: and wellbeing. Whilst we're doing it.
Speaker 3: It's like multitasking of the greatest kind self care and
Speaker 3: judging people on the Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things to do.
Speaker 3: It is Happy Valentine's Day, by the way, or happy
Speaker 3: prolonged Valentine's Day to those that celebrate. Some people don't,
Speaker 3: but you know, I'm here for the love. The world
Speaker 3: needs more love.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to ask you something. So I was
Speaker 1: having a bit of a fight with someone on a
Speaker 1: text message today, someone that I won't mention, but I
Speaker 1: went to finish it off by saying happy Valentine's Day. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to know, is that condescending?
Speaker 3: Well, unless they're really triggered by if they're.
Speaker 2: Like single and they take that as like a dick
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, this person is single, so okay.
Speaker 2: I'd probably leave it. Then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just stick with.
Speaker 2: The have a good weekend being my advice.
Speaker 1: There, I think you're onto it. Can I also say
Speaker 1: thank you for my highlight of my week, which is
Speaker 1: a photo of you with a Kathy Hilton hat and
Speaker 1: a matching bag. Honestly perfection.
Speaker 3: It arrived if you listened to last week's episode. You'll
Speaker 3: hear that I ordered one of the Kathy Hilton Lorna
Speaker 3: Murray hats, but.
Speaker 2: They didn't have the adult version.
Speaker 3: So I ordered a large in the child size hat
Speaker 3: and I didn't know if it was going to fit,
Speaker 3: and it just fits, and I was so excited because
Speaker 3: there was no returns. I was like, this is a
Speaker 3: really expensive gamble, but it paid off.
Speaker 2: I think it looks cute, right.
Speaker 1: I think we found the sponsor for our podcast, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to hit them up.
Speaker 3: Lornamurray dot com dot I use. She's Australian by the way.
Speaker 1: I know she is. I know, let's call it. Let's
Speaker 1: get her on the phone.
Speaker 2: She's fabulous.
Speaker 1: She'll be like, no, who are you? People?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: People like it wasn't worth it. Guys went on about
Speaker 3: it too much. Hey, this episode was a bit flat.
Speaker 1: Hey, well, I don't want to foreshadow my scoreboard, but
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, this episode
Speaker 1: was like a sudden backstory, Like it was like a
Speaker 1: cuttin spin offs. You know, we really got to go
Speaker 1: deep and you and I had mentioned last week we
Speaker 1: got a tip of the iceberg when it came to
Speaker 1: her opening up and showing us more about her life.
Speaker 1: But when we got to the bottom of the iceberg,
Speaker 1: I felt like a bit of an overshare, Like did
Speaker 1: we learn too much? Was that okay for television?
Speaker 4: He was suffering from chronic depression. They had on all
Speaker 4: these pills just to try to regulate stuff that wasn't working.
Speaker 4: He would go on and off of them for years,
Speaker 4: and then he would self medicate with alcohol.
Speaker 3: It was very heavy and very triggering, and I mean,
Speaker 3: I was going to kind of let you lead this
Speaker 3: part of the chat because you've had such personal experience
Speaker 3: with this, and not to dive into places where you
Speaker 3: might not want to go.
Speaker 2: But like, how did you feel about watching that?
Speaker 1: I felt so emotional, But I also am so protective
Speaker 1: because for people listening, I lost my father to sudden death,
Speaker 1: and my partner lost his brother to sudden death. And
Speaker 1: I think sometimes I feel so protective of Ben that
Speaker 1: I put my own emotions to the side. So I
Speaker 1: was too busy focused on how Ben was reacting to
Speaker 1: the content, And then when I stopped to think about
Speaker 1: it myself, because she was talking about her father, you know,
Speaker 1: she kept saying my father, and I kept thinking about
Speaker 1: it as well, because I had similar trajectories, like I
Speaker 1: remember the last time I saw him. I remember the
Speaker 1: last type of physical touch of a goodbye, and that
Speaker 1: was very triggering. I'm not to say that the Housewives
Speaker 1: can't delve into this. If that's someone's truth, I guess
Speaker 1: it needed to be there. What I'd take brother to
Speaker 1: task over is the balancing of this episode. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they got that correct, because the whole thing
Speaker 1: overall did leave me walking away not how I want
Speaker 1: to feel from Housewives, Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like this is my guilty pleasure, This is the space
Speaker 1: I go to kind of have a good time. I
Speaker 1: probably don't want to have to have my therapist on
Speaker 1: speed dial at the end of no.
Speaker 3: And I feel like it was It's such a fine line,
Speaker 3: and it's sort of like that Goldilock's analogy where we're like,
Speaker 3: we want a little bit of the honesty and the
Speaker 3: rawness and the family backgrounds for all these women, but
Speaker 3: then it's like this one to your point, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: does it cross that line where it becomes too much?
Speaker 2: And then we're put off by it and it's not
Speaker 2: what we were wanting.
Speaker 3: For that experience, and I sort of felt like, quite
Speaker 3: often we've discussed on here about we're not seeing enough
Speaker 3: of Sutton's life. A Kyle had a massive dig at
Speaker 3: her last reunion because she was like, why are you
Speaker 3: having a goal at me? You've shown like your new
Speaker 3: horse for one episode and a Cashmere line or whatever
Speaker 3: the hell she was doing.
Speaker 2: We don't see anything from you.
Speaker 3: And I almost felt like, was this all a bit
Speaker 3: of a setup by the producers, Not to say it
Speaker 3: wasn't all real and those things hadn't happened with her
Speaker 3: family in terms of the emotions and the journey that
Speaker 3: they've been on, but it was sort of like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: we can't let Sutton walk into the fire at this
Speaker 3: reunion because she hasn't shown us anything real, so we
Speaker 3: need to put an episode in there where she shows
Speaker 3: us this real stuff. And it sort of felt potentially
Speaker 3: a little bit forced. I don't know something about it
Speaker 3: was just a little bit orchestrated or something.
Speaker 2: For me, even though it was emotional.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, I hadn't thought about it that way.
Speaker 1: And this happens to me. I think every weink you
Speaker 1: point something out to me. I felt uncomfortable, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know what that uncomfortability was. And I think you're
Speaker 1: right that maybe how did you phrase that? You said
Speaker 1: you felt like the episode was like orchestrated, Yeah, Boston orchestrated.
Speaker 1: When you said those bodes to me, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably what it is. I mean, even I'm really
Speaker 1: careful about what I share to people about my personal
Speaker 1: stories when it comes to this sort of stuff, because
Speaker 1: I'm so sensitive about it, and I'm also really cautious
Speaker 1: about other people's backstory as well. I don't want to
Speaker 1: trigger people. I try to sort of navigate around it,
Speaker 1: you know, while we sidestep this whole thing, because this
Speaker 1: podcast is supposed to be your fun for people who
Speaker 1: are listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: True, Yeah, I think that those suicide warnings, when you
Speaker 1: know that that's what's going to happen in the episode,
Speaker 1: need to be at the start of the episode or
Speaker 1: the end, because I have feeling that they should change
Speaker 1: that and they should have that upfront, because I reckon
Speaker 1: if I start seeing those before episodes and maybe this
Speaker 1: is what they don't want, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like I.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't watch them, you know, well, I mean, I hadn't
Speaker 3: even thought of it that way, and I don't think
Speaker 3: there was anything really to suggest on the trailer that
Speaker 3: it was going to go into this space. Like we
Speaker 3: sort of saw the trailer last weekend with Garselle, you know,
Speaker 3: chatting to her and she was like, I don't think
Speaker 3: that's your business.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm so happy we're having this one on one
Speaker 5: time together, and I wanted to talk to you because
Speaker 5: Sat and I have had intimate conversations. You know, she's
Speaker 5: so proud of how far she's come, and she would
Speaker 5: just love to hear you say that you're proud of
Speaker 5: her and that you love her too.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can see something.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's any of your business.
Speaker 3: But we didn't sort of know it was going to
Speaker 3: go into such a heavy place and it was going
Speaker 3: to be very raw and emotional and talk so much,
Speaker 3: you know, about this sort of topic in such great detail.
Speaker 3: So yeah, imagine for a lot of people watching it
Speaker 3: would have been very heavy. And it's not to say
Speaker 3: those things shouldn't get discussed or we shouldn't be showing
Speaker 3: away from them. They're very real topics that need to
Speaker 3: be But you're right in that forum you're walking into
Speaker 3: it not expecting it, and they're not having that warning there.
Speaker 3: You're not even sure it's going to go to that place.
Speaker 3: So I think you're right there.
Speaker 2: You've made a good shout.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's me though, but you know I to go
Speaker 1: into a Lolli's stater by a pumpkin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then it's sort of like you to sort
Speaker 3: of shift to where it ended in the end with
Speaker 3: that scene with Dereet and Erica and Bow sitting at
Speaker 3: that dinner, Then that almost kind of feels trivial, like
Speaker 3: you're not giving that the attention it kind of needs
Speaker 3: because you've just come from this heavy place and everything
Speaker 3: sort of looks so insignificant in comparison.
Speaker 2: What does that mean though? What advantages? Of course? And
Speaker 2: the advantage.
Speaker 6: Advantage is that he wants to have the upper hand.
Speaker 6: If you are cornered like any animal, Yep, you're going
Speaker 6: to straight. He's afraid of how smart you are and
Speaker 6: how you will straight.
Speaker 1: Farming and down so he can run the basis on you.
Speaker 6: You're right, because legally he can go around town and
Speaker 6: scoop up everybody. So that you don't have good counsel.
Speaker 6: Dret needs to keep her eyes open.
Speaker 1: They really gave us a shift, and we'll have to
Speaker 1: unpack this because we're getting ahead of ourselves. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like we've really got to shift in perspectives
Speaker 1: from the other women, especially from Bozma and Erica, on
Speaker 1: the way that Dree was trying to share that story,
Speaker 1: like they looked at her like, all right, you're yapping now,
Speaker 1: you know. They were sort of they weren't taking it
Speaker 1: the same way that they had in previous episodes, And
Speaker 1: I feel like when you put that up against the
Speaker 1: Sutton's backstory, maybe they did that on purpose. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because it did make Deret talking about her separation from
Speaker 1: PK feel quite trivial when we know it's not like
Speaker 1: separation is really hard and dereit is going through something
Speaker 1: really difficult. But for some reason, we just got to
Speaker 1: see her sitting there yapping to the women, and the
Speaker 1: women sort of were approaching it differently. I got some
Speaker 1: definite side eye.
Speaker 2: That's sadying. Pik is ruthless.
Speaker 1: He's ruthless in business, which means he will be ruthless
Speaker 1: in the business of divorce.
Speaker 2: She said to Erica, why are you giving me this
Speaker 2: side eye?
Speaker 3: And then Bow's lashed into her and I was like,
Speaker 3: this is a game this guy is playing.
Speaker 2: You wake up.
Speaker 3: And you could and then she goes holy shit, And
Speaker 3: so she was really taken aback. I guess by their
Speaker 3: sort of stance because before I guess she'd had their
Speaker 3: full support.
Speaker 2: And then last week.
Speaker 3: We saw Erica sort of give her that advice, and
Speaker 3: this week was definitely I've given you the advice and
Speaker 3: now you're not listening to me.
Speaker 2: And I find that really hard in a friendship.
Speaker 3: I feel like, when you come to me, I'm going
Speaker 3: to give you everything, I'm going to really consider what
Speaker 3: I'm saying to you, and I'm going to give you
Speaker 3: some really good advice.
Speaker 2: And then it feels like if someone just turns around
Speaker 2: the next day is.
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, thanks for the chat, none of that, don't
Speaker 3: care doing this over here, that's fine, do whatever you
Speaker 3: want to do, but then don't come back to me
Speaker 3: again and complain about it.
Speaker 1: How many times do you do that with your girlfriends,
Speaker 1: because like, let's just say they come to you with
Speaker 1: a problem and you give them advice. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like I've got a pretty tolerant with that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Probably would do three interactions of giving someone
Speaker 1: the same advice and if they're not taking it, I'd
Speaker 1: probably be like at that point, you know, we've discussed
Speaker 1: this before, and I don't think you'll really listening to
Speaker 1: what I have to say, so I don't really want
Speaker 1: to discuss this with you. I think that's how I
Speaker 1: yes it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I'm probably the same.
Speaker 3: It's not it's certainly not the first conversation that I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I already told you what I thought. You go through
Speaker 3: that a little bit, but I feel like that's what
Speaker 3: they're already doing. She put that information out there last week.
Speaker 3: She said all about the horrible email that he basically
Speaker 3: wants to take it to the clean as Erica pointed
Speaker 3: out that he's trying to get her before ten years.
Speaker 3: You've got to be quick about this. You've got to
Speaker 3: be lawyered up, you've got to be proactive. And she
Speaker 3: was about to let it all go because they had
Speaker 3: one nice conversation on the phone, and like I said
Speaker 3: to you last week, don't forget this man is a
Speaker 3: talent manager. He's very very smart. He knows what he's doing,
Speaker 3: he knows how to play in business. And Erica reiterated
Speaker 3: that in what she said in her confessional. He's a
Speaker 3: smart businessman. He's going to be smart at the business
Speaker 3: of divorce.
Speaker 1: Both of those women at that very point though, where
Speaker 1: she was saying this to me was like, oh, hang,
Speaker 1: going to say, we've handled this in a few different approaches,
Speaker 1: which isn't working, so now we're going to have to
Speaker 1: be bad cop. I feel like that before, like you know,
Speaker 1: like that's how it was going and yes, I'm around.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh wait, you're not listening, so bad cop,
Speaker 1: and they just went, yes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, It was so yeah, And I feel like she
Speaker 3: would have been expecting that from Erica, but when Bos
Speaker 3: delivered it that way and she said wake up and
Speaker 3: it was quite you know, assertive, she was not expecting
Speaker 3: that from her.
Speaker 2: Can't be a victim? Do you think this is a game? Yeh,
Speaker 2: wake up?
Speaker 3: Because she's been sort of being given that sort of
Speaker 3: you know, unconditional support from her, and I guess because
Speaker 3: she didn't know PK, she has been leaning more into
Speaker 3: that without needing anything from PK side. But I feel
Speaker 3: like when Erica watched Bos deliver the infos, she closed
Speaker 3: her eyes.
Speaker 2: She had that.
Speaker 3: Smart face like, thank god someone else is saying it,
Speaker 3: and I don't have to be looked at like exactly
Speaker 3: like what you're saying, Like I'm the only bad cop
Speaker 3: trying to help you. We're trying to deliver you this information.
Speaker 3: Please listen.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not helping me with my feelings towards
Speaker 1: Duit as a person. I know that you're very team
Speaker 1: to eat this season, and I know a lot of
Speaker 1: the people watching the show feel like that. They're like, yes,
Speaker 1: to eat, own your shit, go for it, we support you.
Speaker 3: You know, she will lose me there, though, she'll lose
Speaker 3: me if those women are like supporting her and helping
Speaker 3: her and giving her good advice. She dismisses it that
Speaker 3: she'll lose me there because I find that very triggering
Speaker 3: in my own life.
Speaker 1: Well, stepping back into the stuff with what was actually
Speaker 1: going down in AUGUSTA, what I was looking forward to
Speaker 1: talking to you about today was what happened with Garcel
Speaker 1: and Reba, and I wanted to know because we would
Speaker 1: all share our thoughts with our friends right about personal stuff,
Speaker 1: including stuff that would happen with our family. How comfortable
Speaker 1: would you be with one of your friends talking to
Speaker 1: your mother about whatever you've said to your friend. Because
Speaker 1: I don't think I would be happy with that. I'd
Speaker 1: be really disappointed.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 3: The conversations that Something has had with Garcel, she potentially
Speaker 3: wanted her to be that messenger. She wanted her to
Speaker 3: go and lay the groundwork for the conversation that she
Speaker 3: was going to have later about how she's felt and
Speaker 3: how she know she's feeling like she hasn't been loved
Speaker 3: or you know that her mum's not proud of her.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was almost the groundwork for that,
Speaker 3: but Riba was within her rights and she executed it
Speaker 3: to say that is.
Speaker 2: None of your business.
Speaker 3: You do not know the backstory, You do not know
Speaker 3: the complexities, you do not know the journey that we've
Speaker 3: been on. And so yes, she was trying to come
Speaker 3: from a place of a good friend, but you're going
Speaker 3: to get into some murky waters when you don't know
Speaker 3: the full family dynamic. She was never gonna she was
Speaker 3: never going to win that chat. But I think it's softened.
Speaker 3: It softened the conversation that Sutton then had with her
Speaker 3: mother because I think she was like, oh, well, I've
Speaker 3: already heard this from Garcell. It wasn't coming out of
Speaker 3: the blue, so I think she got a nicer Riba
Speaker 3: because she sort of knew that that was coming.
Speaker 1: When we found out that she was a psychologist, it
Speaker 1: was kind of like finding how whoa you know, her
Speaker 1: profession was like trying. It was like finding out that
Speaker 1: a great white shark, you know, is a babysit of
Speaker 1: a dogs. Do you know what I mean? Like, I
Speaker 1: would never go to a psychologist like Reaber because she
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she's one of those psychologists that just
Speaker 1: sits there and listens and doesn't say anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, look she was, she's guarded. She
Speaker 2: had that tough love approach.
Speaker 3: She's probably quite blunt, but some people probably need that
Speaker 3: from a therapist, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, no, that's not it.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe she should be the one talking to
Speaker 3: Dry at this point about the relationship, like it's over, Darling,
Speaker 3: not even darling.
Speaker 2: She'd just be like it's over. Move on. What my
Speaker 2: accent was just then?
Speaker 1: It was good? I think it was great. It was
Speaker 1: a whole lot of them. It was an Australian version
Speaker 1: of an American person from Augusta.
Speaker 2: I need to practice of the southern accent.
Speaker 1: I know if you practice that, you would get that
Speaker 1: down to perfection. Gussell didn't actually do too badly considering
Speaker 1: she was in the wrong for bringing that stuff up.
Speaker 1: I think she managed to navigate Reaper's she got herself
Speaker 1: out of it. She did she was like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: may have been a mistake.
Speaker 2: How Nae is the steel magnolia is.
Speaker 1: I think that we have to progress then from that
Speaker 1: place into the discussion, which gave me my favorite moment
Speaker 1: of the episode, which come on was amazing. The pivot
Speaker 1: from sudden and Reba's conversation to Kyle and garself peering
Speaker 1: around the corner is like peak housewife perfection. Like that
Speaker 1: camera work was phenomenal, was like the parent trapped kids
Speaker 1: listening like it was amazing, and.
Speaker 3: Kyle's run back up the stairs like to look like
Speaker 3: she was just.
Speaker 2: Casually coming back down, so funny.
Speaker 1: It was like, actually good acting, like not Halloween acting. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was roaring at that point with all of that,
Speaker 1: I thought that was amazing, But yeah, getting into the
Speaker 1: actual dynamics of what actually transpired, I thought it was
Speaker 1: really interesting what Riba was trying to say, and I
Speaker 1: want to know from your perspective what you think about
Speaker 1: why Reber doesn't want to say to her daughter that
Speaker 1: she loves her, Because then I was thinking about it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, does my mom say that to me? And
Speaker 1: then I'm like, actually she does. Like, my mom's got
Speaker 1: no issue with saying that I love you, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure your mum, from what I know of her, would
Speaker 1: be the same. She would be very affirming with her
Speaker 1: love and support of you. Why is this lady choosing
Speaker 1: not to say that to her daughter, Like, what is
Speaker 1: the rationale?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just a different way.
Speaker 3: I think people have different levels of being comfortable with
Speaker 3: being affectionate and what they say what they don't say.
Speaker 3: I mean, like she seemed upset that she was like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: even though I don't say those things, it surprises me
Speaker 3: that you don't know it, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 3: And then when she agreed to sort of come on
Speaker 3: the fashion show and get on a plane to travel
Speaker 3: and she's like, well, I think that's something I can do.
Speaker 3: That was definitely her way of saying no, Well, I
Speaker 3: understand you've felt a certain way now, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to try and do better with the time that they
Speaker 3: have left. You know, she's not a young woman, she's
Speaker 3: eighty two years old. Things can happen quickly, and I
Speaker 3: just feel like people have different upbringings and then culturally
Speaker 3: and then you know, people just have different surroundings and
Speaker 3: what they're comfortable with. So I don't think there's any
Speaker 3: right or wrong, but I think it's upsetting when you
Speaker 3: see a child, doesn't matter that she's an adult child
Speaker 3: say I want to hear these things.
Speaker 2: I feel upset that I don't get to hear them.
Speaker 3: I feel this way that does need to get acknowledged
Speaker 3: when you've gone to the effort of bringing that.
Speaker 2: Up, because that took a lot for her to do
Speaker 2: that you could tell.
Speaker 1: And there's those reads that we get from Garcel which
Speaker 1: have been really good this season. I thought it was
Speaker 1: quite accurate because that's where I landed, which was there
Speaker 1: seems to be some jealousy amongst these women.
Speaker 5: Sutain had a relationship with her dad that she didn't
Speaker 5: have with her mum. I think there was some jealousy there.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's some jealousy over Suttain's father's adoration for the daughter.
Speaker 1: That can happen in family dynamics. And that could possibly
Speaker 1: be a rationale as to just why this mother can't
Speaker 1: say that to her daughter. She's still holding on to
Speaker 1: some jealousy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that part of it was interesting.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think that this episode, even though
Speaker 3: it wasn't what we were expecting and it was heavier,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't necessarily you was sitting watching it from
Speaker 3: a place of enjoyment, but I think it ticked the
Speaker 3: box of doing what we needed it to do, and
Speaker 3: that was to take a peek behind the life of Sutton.
Speaker 3: You know, even to the point where you know her
Speaker 3: mum was being annoying in the kitchen and she wanted
Speaker 3: her to get certain ingredients and then Sutton was like,
Speaker 3: oh no, well I asked you to get Rve the
Speaker 3: Iceberg letter. She is exactly like her mom in that way.
Speaker 3: But we did get to see it, and it's all
Speaker 3: the stuff that I get annoyed about with Sutton, who.
Speaker 4: Put this ice into the ice maker but don't tell me,
Speaker 4: I only know.
Speaker 2: Have you eaten?
Speaker 4: Yeah no, well I have these Depp thanks.
Speaker 2: I don't like stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And now I kind of see where it's coming from.
Speaker 3: So I think the episode did its job in that sense, how.
Speaker 1: Much do you think you're like a product of your family?
Speaker 1: Do you think that you are a lot like your mum? Like,
Speaker 1: do you see that because I recognize it. I do
Speaker 1: stuff and I'll be like, that is so what my does.
Speaker 1: And then I'll do stuff and I'll be like, that
Speaker 1: is definitely from my dad. I guess what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say. Maybe I'm answering my own question, just chatting
Speaker 1: to myself, But like I do think in some ways
Speaker 1: we are a product of our parents, whether we like
Speaker 1: to admit it or not.
Speaker 3: Oh, of course we are, you know, not just your
Speaker 3: parents and your sort of immediate family, but you know,
Speaker 3: you are the company you keep. And I think you
Speaker 3: pick up different things from different people that you surround
Speaker 3: yourself with, and that's why choosing the right people for
Speaker 3: you where you're out in your life is so important.
Speaker 3: But I think certainly family and those things being impressed
Speaker 3: on you young, it's just a subconscious thing. You pick
Speaker 3: up certain behaviors or traits and they stay with you
Speaker 3: for life, or you recognize them and you try and
Speaker 3: fight really hard against them.
Speaker 2: That can often happen too, But you know.
Speaker 3: Reaba would be the one to know because she's the
Speaker 3: one that's the therapist.
Speaker 1: Looks as though you're missing social cues, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it'll be interesting when we watch those parts back.
Speaker 3: Maybe At the reunion, Sutton realizes that she's watched this
Speaker 3: episode how similar she actually is to her mum. I
Speaker 3: wonder because often people don't know, you know, but I
Speaker 3: feel like when they're showing all that footage side by side,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, there it is.
Speaker 1: One of the things about this episode as well that
Speaker 1: was just also a bit flat for me was that
Speaker 1: are you getting red flags from Bozma's partner, because like,
Speaker 1: to me, eric Is is sort of saying, hang in a
Speaker 1: sec they're talking about having a child, but they haven't
Speaker 1: said they love each other to each other like that
Speaker 1: is whacka do. Like, I'm sorry, that's a red flag
Speaker 1: right there. And then you know, I've got into body
Speaker 1: language a lot. I try and read people's body language.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that man has committed to her.
Speaker 1: I feel like he is taking her for a ride.
Speaker 1: What do you think? What's your take on the dynamics
Speaker 1: that we're saying maybe he's nervous with the cameras there, right,
Speaker 1: So I remember some of the husbands have come out
Speaker 1: in the podcast space and said, how hilarious is it
Speaker 1: watching yourself back on this show because they never get
Speaker 1: used to the cameras the way their wives do, because
Speaker 1: their wives are doing more of it. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: he's like, holy shit, I'm having these conversations with a camera.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We haven't really seen enough of him to know, but
Speaker 3: I just the only thing I'm sort of holding on
Speaker 3: to to hope that he's not fully taking her for
Speaker 3: a ride is the fact that they got together before
Speaker 3: she was on the show. I feel like she didn't
Speaker 3: have that profile in that sense. I really hope it's
Speaker 3: not like a fame grab and it's you know, and
Speaker 3: also like, if she's going to go through the process
Speaker 3: of trying to have a child at forty seven, that
Speaker 3: is such a huge undertaking.
Speaker 2: You want to be in a really secure spot.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have I would have thought, I mean, I
Speaker 3: really I quite enjoyed the chat that she had with
Speaker 3: her daughter Laelle about you know, how does she feel
Speaker 3: about her potentially having another child and the sort of
Speaker 3: conversation that happened, and she was so mature at fifteen
Speaker 3: sixteen years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 2: She was beautiful.
Speaker 3: So I feel like she's got a really solid relationship
Speaker 3: with her. I just yeah, I mean, who knows how
Speaker 3: it's going to play out. I wouldn't say I'm agreeing
Speaker 3: with you in the sense that I feel like I've
Speaker 3: got full red flags, but there's definitely some small red flags.
Speaker 1: I'm just putting on my Jackie Gilly's hat, and my
Speaker 1: Jackie Gilly's hat is saying I don't think these people
Speaker 1: are going to be together in a couple of years.
Speaker 1: That's just how I say it. We'll go back.
Speaker 2: Do you think he wants a baby mama?
Speaker 3: And then he just wants someone to have his baby
Speaker 3: and then he just looks after it half the time, and.
Speaker 2: It's like a baby like because engaged in the baby,
Speaker 2: I know, but like, why would you engage in a
Speaker 2: baby chat if you didn't want that? You know what
Speaker 2: I don't know's I don't know because I don't.
Speaker 3: Feel like she's really wanting to have the baby. She's like,
Speaker 3: I want to have the baby because that's what he wants.
Speaker 1: No, it's just not adding up for me. The whole
Speaker 1: dynamic's not adding up to me. I think that they're
Speaker 1: pushing their reaching. Good luck to them though, all the
Speaker 1: best on your endeavors, on your endeavors. So Jennifer Tilly
Speaker 1: feels to me like she's kind of being edited out
Speaker 1: of this season? Do you reckon? They wanted more from
Speaker 1: her and they realized that they're only getting sort of
Speaker 1: a two dimensional character. And that's why because she was
Speaker 1: there for the filming of clost this season. And I
Speaker 1: do feel like and thank you to the editors for
Speaker 1: editing her out, Like you know, I haven't seen I
Speaker 1: haven't thanked editors enough for editing someone out since whoever
Speaker 1: that woman was last.
Speaker 2: Year, Adam Marie, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Editors for editing her out. She's boring. But Jennifer Tilly
Speaker 1: seems like she's going to be on the cunning room
Speaker 1: floor a lot this season.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it says it all. The fact that
Speaker 2: you brought her name up and I was like, oh, yeah, Like.
Speaker 3: I don't notice her if she's gone, nor do I
Speaker 3: get excited when she's there.
Speaker 2: So I feel like that just says it all. Do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? To me, it's like she's there,
Speaker 2: She's there. She's not there.
Speaker 3: She's not there, Like it doesn't affect me. I don't
Speaker 3: care if I see her. I'm not gagging over her
Speaker 3: outfits or really anything whatever.
Speaker 1: She's like that kookie lady that you see at the
Speaker 1: supermarket sometimes shopping that you can't stop looking at you
Speaker 1: like it's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly what we said at the start of
Speaker 3: the season. It's like she's got the job sharing role
Speaker 3: with Kathy. Kathy has probably been on an elaborate trip somewhere.
Speaker 3: They shoved her in to try and add some comic
Speaker 3: relief and some fuck rich money and just kind of
Speaker 3: tick that quirky kookie box. And then Kathy's probably back
Speaker 3: in town now, so we don't need you. Jennifer, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for your time. Please stamp your time
Speaker 3: card on the way out.
Speaker 1: Go and make a chucky.
Speaker 3: Movie Sitney your big antique clock and just watch it
Speaker 3: go gongongong all day long.
Speaker 1: With your partner who spends all your money on gambling.
Speaker 1: All the very best.
Speaker 2: We are savage today.
Speaker 1: Savage savage. I don't know whether it's this week.
Speaker 3: I don't know how I can be so savage when
Speaker 3: I'm like sitting here in quantas pajamas in a fake
Speaker 3: tan with not a sciric of makeup on.
Speaker 1: That's the couch viewer around the world, like they are
Speaker 1: sitting at home looking like a swamp donkey judging the
Speaker 1: people that are on television. That's everybody's today, that every
Speaker 1: full flight. I'm going to give this episode only one star.
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm giving it a only one, Benjamin Norris,
Speaker 1: is because of the one moment where we panned out
Speaker 1: and we saw Kyle and Garcel looking in at that conversation.
Speaker 1: That was hilarious. It was worth the price of the
Speaker 1: ticket on the episode. But overall, I just felt like
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're getting close, We're getting close to
Speaker 1: reunion episodes. We can't have a whole episode on Sutton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not too far off that
Speaker 2: I'll give it one and a half.
Speaker 3: Because I feel like the producers, the editors, they've listened
Speaker 3: to the audience saying we need to see more from Sutton,
Speaker 3: and I feel like they delivered it. But I think
Speaker 3: they've been strategic and how they've given us almost too much,
Speaker 3: so now they'll be like, well, we gave it to
Speaker 3: you and now you didn't want it. It was like
Speaker 3: the Lisa Rinna thing. So then they'll take it away
Speaker 3: now and that's probably all we'll see from her and
Speaker 3: her family life for quite some time.
Speaker 2: I would imagine I want.
Speaker 1: To say, hashtag Lisa Rinna. Have you been watching her
Speaker 1: promoting this new podcast? Don't talk about the husband she
Speaker 1: has been on because she's like I've spoken to her
Speaker 1: on Instagram back in the day and I asked her
Speaker 1: if she would go on the podcast, actually asked her
Speaker 1: if she would go on ticket TV when we did that,
Speaker 1: and she was like, I don't do podcasts. I've got
Speaker 1: a rule. Anyway, So she's been doing podcasts all week.
Speaker 1: And did you see the clip of her fighting with
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen over saying The Real Housewives is the Titanic?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my damage. Why are you.
Speaker 1: Saying that the show is the Titanic?
Speaker 2: You're on a podcast last week. I know you mouthed
Speaker 2: off and how you met me.
Speaker 1: I have day, I know, but you've so moved past this.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh you're so doing your own thing. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I hurt your feelings.
Speaker 3: I love Lisa Rinna and I loved her on the show,
Speaker 3: and you know what, she kind of brought to the
Speaker 3: table even though a lot of people didn't like her.
Speaker 3: I kind of liked her constant search for accountability with
Speaker 3: people and finding out the truth. And I quite liked
Speaker 3: that in the context of the show. But I do
Speaker 3: not like when people leave the show and then bash
Speaker 3: the show that has got them to the top.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 3: And she's doing so well now and she's carved out
Speaker 3: a whole new knee. She's a supermodel at sixty years
Speaker 3: of age. It's incredible, But like, don't bash the show.
Speaker 1: That got you there. I thought that if they ever
Speaker 1: offered her to come back, she would just swallow her
Speaker 1: pride and come back and do it because she loves
Speaker 1: the show so much. But she's turned it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I think she's sort of gone into a whole
Speaker 3: new space now. I think she was probably a bit
Speaker 3: pissed about how she got traded in that last season
Speaker 3: with the Kathi showdown, because I think she was trying
Speaker 3: to bring them sort of something that was real and
Speaker 3: that did really happen, and everyone wanted to turn a
Speaker 3: blind eye to it, and she became the bad guy
Speaker 3: and the scapegoat for the pot stirring and you know,
Speaker 3: had that whole sister dynamic the relationship hanging over her head,
Speaker 3: like you've ruined the sisters and all of that, and
Speaker 3: I think she probably felt like, from a network point
Speaker 3: of view, they were going to support her, although'll be like, no,
Speaker 3: we found this footage to back you up or you know,
Speaker 3: and it never happened. She was kind of hung out
Speaker 3: to dry and she had nowhere left to go. The
Speaker 3: masses had turned on her. I mean, Erica Jane didn't
Speaker 3: come off that well in that reunion either. She was
Speaker 3: the one who said the actual quote of what Kathy
Speaker 3: said to her about the DJ, like I'm surprised that
Speaker 3: Erica Jane didn't get a bulbarry clock attached to her
Speaker 3: foot and she's not sitting at the bottom of the
Speaker 3: Santa Monica Pier, like you don't say stuff like that
Speaker 3: to Kathy Hilton, to any Hilton.
Speaker 1: Don't say that to any Hilton Like.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they're fine now, Like she was over
Speaker 3: having a beautiful Capri dinnery.
Speaker 2: While we're on while we're.
Speaker 3: On Other Housewives news, o MG about Teddy Mellingham. For
Speaker 3: people that haven't been following on with her since she
Speaker 3: left the show. She has her own podcast to Teas
Speaker 3: and Pod with Tamra jud However, she's obviously had a
Speaker 3: huge struggle with different skincats as over the last two years.
Speaker 3: She has got the most massive scar on her back.
Speaker 3: She's been in for like twenty surgeries. But now they've
Speaker 3: found these brain tumors. She was having these constant headaches.
Speaker 3: That found two big ones. She was literally in hospital
Speaker 3: that day getting her head shaved and the rest have
Speaker 3: to get looked at with radiation therapy.
Speaker 2: I think it is like, but I mean, this is
Speaker 2: not good. That is not good.
Speaker 1: Well, she's my second favorite housewife of all time, so I'm.
Speaker 3: See, yeah, did you see her Instagram stories because she
Speaker 3: was posting with her shaved head and she was in
Speaker 3: the hostpe all bad before she went in for the surgery,
Speaker 3: and Kyle was there with Morgan. Morgan was there, and Edwin,
Speaker 3: who she recently filed for divorce from, was there, and
Speaker 3: a few other people were there.
Speaker 2: In this waiting room.
Speaker 3: But I thought, oh my god, like, Kyle's there with Morgan,
Speaker 3: and Kyle's been trying to hide Morgan, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, Morgan's in this post and I thought
Speaker 3: it's going to put everything like it's just going to
Speaker 3: get everything going again.
Speaker 1: Except for the fact that we know that Morgan Wade
Speaker 1: is equally as good friends with Teddy Mellencamp. I think
Speaker 1: Morgan Wade is in that group of girls and they
Speaker 1: all talk that there's women that get up at four
Speaker 1: in the four in the morning, who are you? And
Speaker 1: I think that's that dynamic of that friend group, and
Speaker 1: Morgan's a part of it. So, yeah, not surprised Morgan
Speaker 1: Wade is there for Teddy Mellencamp. I think that she's
Speaker 1: in the friend group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I wasn't surprised that she was.
Speaker 3: Sort of I just thought, oh god, Kyle will be
Speaker 3: like because now she's suddenly there and she's tried so
Speaker 3: hard to hide her from social media since it.
Speaker 2: All blew up.
Speaker 3: But look, our thoughts are with Teddy Mellencamp, and you know,
Speaker 3: she's got those two young children, and obviously she's in
Speaker 3: the midst of a divorce and her husband is good
Speaker 3: to show up and support her even though they're going
Speaker 3: through a pretty tumultuous time in their relationship.
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's, yeah, it's all happening, and it's
Speaker 2: not good news.
Speaker 1: We do get a preview just to shift out of
Speaker 1: that because my thoughts with Teddy, but we've got an
Speaker 1: exciting preview for next week's episode. It was almost like
Speaker 1: they were like, sorry for borrowing you to death, but
Speaker 1: next week you've got a food fight. We got food fight,
Speaker 1: so everything's fine. I thought it was an interesting way
Speaker 1: to look at that conversation. Is Bosma falling into the
Speaker 1: trap of being dread spokeswoman. I thought that's going to
Speaker 1: be really interesting to see that accusation being thrown out there.
Speaker 1: What are you foreshadowing out of that preview? What are
Speaker 1: you thinking we're going to get?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that was definitely coming because Kyle
Speaker 3: is pissed off.
Speaker 2: Kyle's pissed off at Bows.
Speaker 3: That she hasn't been given a fair run that she
Speaker 3: has just sort of immediately taken to eat side. However,
Speaker 3: it is funny when you think about prior seasons, the
Speaker 3: fact that people are cute her and Teddy of having
Speaker 3: that type of friendship where it was like it was
Speaker 3: a package deal.
Speaker 2: I think was the words that Darite used.
Speaker 3: And whatever you say to one, the other one's going
Speaker 3: to come in and back them up. So Deurite sort
Speaker 3: of has that person in Bo's Kyle's not happy about it,
Speaker 3: so I think, you know, even though they sort of
Speaker 3: resolve their issues about the PK texting and the PK relationship,
Speaker 3: this Bo's Derete friendship is definitely going to put strain
Speaker 3: on Dereite and Kyle getting back to it a really
Speaker 3: solid place.
Speaker 1: I've never been like that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: What's so bizarre to me with friend dynamics is like,
Speaker 1: how people will, you know, be like we come as
Speaker 1: a package deal like I have the I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever been more on the opposite side of an
Speaker 1: opinion than I am with my own best friend, Like
Speaker 1: she could not be more different to me. I will
Speaker 1: be like, I'm going to go and support that person,
Speaker 1: and Carrie will be like, what the hell are you
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I don't like to be somebody who flies blind just
Speaker 1: to support someone. I'm my own person, and I'm attracted
Speaker 1: to people who are their own person as well. Because
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about people, and this might
Speaker 1: sound weird, is when people tell me off. They're like
Speaker 1: when your close friend says, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 1: to give you a different opinion on that and and
Speaker 1: they guide you into a different space. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: attracted to out of friendship dynamics.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what we're going to see next week.
Speaker 3: Is that sort of on full display. And that's looking
Speaker 3: like it's going to be quite an explosive episode to
Speaker 3: eat and sat and start getting into it again. We'll
Speaker 3: see where that goes, I mean, hopefully just it has
Speaker 3: a little bit more going on that we want to
Speaker 3: see back in the realm of a Housewives episode.
Speaker 1: What are we doing this weekend? Where are you going?
Speaker 1: You said that we had to record today because you
Speaker 1: booked out what's happening?
Speaker 3: Well, booked out watching the new Bridget Shownes movie tonight
Speaker 3: for Valentine's Day, and then just a few other things
Speaker 3: over the weekend.
Speaker 2: It's just a busy one. It's just a very busy one.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm sitting here marinating in the ten and
Speaker 3: thank you because we've already knocked off almost an hour
Speaker 3: of marination.
Speaker 1: Well, Happy Valentine's Day, Belize Valentine's Days. We're going to
Speaker 1: watch We're going to preview the new season of Yellow Jackets.
Speaker 1: Don't know if you watch that show. We're going to
Speaker 1: drink so much red wine. That'll end with a YouTube
Speaker 1: Calimino marathon of.
Speaker 2: Singing, Oh my god, I've got the Kylie Minod concert tomorrow.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: How I'm going to get to tell you that it's tomorrow.
Speaker 3: She's starting the tour in Perth, and then there's seventy
Speaker 3: shows in the tour, but she's starting an in Perth.
Speaker 1: So you need to call me. I will as soon
Speaker 1: as the concert finishes. I'm seeing it next week on
Speaker 1: Friday in Melbourne. So excited. I've even got a pair
Speaker 1: of hot pants just sitting over there that I'm going
Speaker 1: to potentially wear. So I apologize.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that view.
Speaker 3: Sorry that we've deviated quite far away from Housewives, but anyway,
Speaker 3: it's all the very best on your endeavors. Cheerio, bye bye,