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Speaker 1: Now. Yesterday on the show, we spoke to the Police

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Speaker 1: Minister Brent Potter about a number of changes will to

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Speaker 1: alcohol laws that are set.

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Speaker 2: To come into effect on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Hefty fines are going to come into play for anyone

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Speaker 1: refusing to leave license venue.

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Speaker 2: Bottle shops will be able to check people have.

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Speaker 1: An appropriate place to consume alcohol, and transit safety officers

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Speaker 1: are going to be able to search people for grog

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Speaker 1: and tip it out. Now to coincide with the changes,

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Speaker 1: the Minister said that police are going to be conducting

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Speaker 1: a three week blitz targeting alcohol related anti social behavior,

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Speaker 1: joining us in the studio to share their thoughts on

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Speaker 1: those changes and plenty of other things. In Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police Association President Nathan Finn, Good morning to you, Finny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katy, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, the Police Minister reckons that they've just finished a

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Speaker 1: two week operation targeting alcohol and anti social behavior in Casarina.

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Speaker 1: They're now going to do the same in Darwin and

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Speaker 1: Winelli for three weeks.

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Speaker 2: Do you know where these officers are coming from?

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Speaker 3: No, Kattie, that's quote. It's disturbing fact that we have

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Speaker 3: that they've contacted us yesterday after they heard the minister

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Speaker 3: on your radio show yesterday. A lot of our members

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Speaker 3: listen to your show. A lot of people are informed,

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Speaker 3: obviously know what's going on from through your show as well,

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Speaker 3: and they shouldn't find out about these operations being planned

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Speaker 3: by the Police Minister, being planned on this show and

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Speaker 3: being announced on this show. And when members contacted us yesterday,

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Speaker 3: they had no knowledge about any operation that's going forward,

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Speaker 3: especially people working in these locations, and they're going, how

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Speaker 3: are we going to do an operation when we're struggling

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Speaker 3: to fill the frontline response capabilities of what we've got

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Speaker 3: at the moment.

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Speaker 2: That is not good.

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Speaker 3: It's quite frustrating. So yesterday, after I heard your show,

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Speaker 3: I tried to contact the Police Minister's office. I tried

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Speaker 3: to bring the ministeral advisor to get some information about

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Speaker 3: where this information has come from, because no one of

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Speaker 3: the police actually knew anything about it. So it was

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Speaker 3: quite frustrating. No one from that office actually got back

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Speaker 3: to me either, though, which is not surprising unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Catie, and disappointing though. And look, while I'm grateful that

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Speaker 1: all of all the police are listening to the show.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't be where you're finding out the information about

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Speaker 1: what's going on.

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Speaker 3: No, definitely about operational decisions. These are operational decisions that

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be played out by the Police Minister. They should

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Speaker 3: be played out by the internal police operations.

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Speaker 1: So were there specific yesterday that they were most concerned

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Speaker 1: about some of those officers that got in contact.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I concerned that they didn't have any staff

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Speaker 3: do it as specific operation as dictated by the Police Minister.

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Speaker 3: They were worried that we didn't have enough resource to

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Speaker 3: let alone doing an operation that they knew nothing about.

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Speaker 1: Now and tell me, the Minister mentioned that the Territory

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Speaker 1: Safety Division is you know, it is obviously online. Are

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Speaker 1: they enough they're conducting the BLEDZ?

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Speaker 3: Well, No, I had contact with that division as well,

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Speaker 3: and they didn't know anything about the blitz either. So

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Speaker 3: it was quite concerning that this is being announced on

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Speaker 3: your show, but none of the operational police officers actually

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Speaker 1: It sort of seems to me then that it's, you know,

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Speaker 1: But also the I mean the minister was that as

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Speaker 1: to say yesterday when I was in asking him about

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Speaker 1: a curfew in Catherine, that's an operational thing and that

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Speaker 1: that's something that the Police Commissioner would need to be announcing.

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Speaker 1: But then I guess it's sort of surprising to hear

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Speaker 1: then from what you're saying. Officers are learning about other

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Speaker 1: things that they're doing through the Police Minister on the show.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, But the Police Minister will in respect to the

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Speaker 3: Catherine curfew. That's a decision for the Police commission It's

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Speaker 3: If this is what they want, it's up a decision

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Speaker 1: Do you know how the police are going in Catherine

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Speaker 3: They are struggling, definitely, Katie, and that we've heard some

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Speaker 3: I'm graduating tonight. At more than half of these people

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Speaker 3: thirty police officers that will be deployed as of next

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Speaker 3: The sixty one. That's the biggest graduation we've ever had

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Speaker 3: be a great thing for the FIR front Line Police Force.

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Speaker 3: But again, our members want to know what's actually really happening. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we want to celebrate the there, there's sixty one people graduating,

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Speaker 3: but half of these people aren't leaving the college, Kadi,

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Speaker 3: and to say that they are is obviously disrespectful for

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Speaker 3: and they deserve that support on the front line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to remember what the numbers were that

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Speaker 3: Four included the whole sixty four. There's sixty three now, Katie,

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Speaker 3: but again that included the whole figure.

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Speaker 3: I know that I spoke with this recruit squad that's

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Speaker 3: That the growing level of crime and Catherine is out

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like it's in terms of Catherine, it

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Speaker 2: She wants a curfew to be called.

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Speaker 1: You've then got the Police Minister saying that he's going

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Speaker 1: additional resources are required. From your perspective as the president

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Speaker 3: Definitely we need more resource and it's been identify we've

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Speaker 3: needed more resources. But again this is not for political gain.

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Speaker 3: The police force is not for political gain. It's not

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Speaker 3: and you need to resource us to be able to

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Speaker 3: obviously neglected us for a number of years. You've made

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Speaker 3: all these key announcements, we haven't seen these flow on.

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Speaker 3: We haven't seen the college increase their capability of training

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Speaker 3: these members to obviously meet the attrition rate that we're seeing. Now.

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Speaker 1: Talk me through those attrition rate numbers, because the Police Minister,

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Speaker 1: you say, assuitor, the attrition rate was six point one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is advice coming back from the start of May.

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Speaker 3: We had a meeting with the Police Minister back then

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Speaker 3: They still haven't provided this information, Caddy, And we've calculated

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Speaker 3: There's been one hundred and fifty seven from the March

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Speaker 3: We need to provide a true reflection of our current

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Speaker 3: It is on the way down. We are seeing some improvements,

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Speaker 1: So, Finny, you basically saying that the you know, we've

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Speaker 1: saying that the attrition rate is better than what you believe.

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Speaker 3: It is, guarantee, Caddy, and I believe that's misleading and

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Speaker 3: They're seeing that they're feeling this strain and for them

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Speaker 3: to underreport this is quite disturbing to them and quite

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Speaker 3: disturbing to us. We need the resources, we need the ability.

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Speaker 3: If we don't use the right correct information, how are

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Speaker 1: Well, and I mean even look at the pressure releases

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Speaker 1: different crime incidents. You know, our police are working bloody

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Speaker 1: But you know, some of the incidents that we're seeing

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Speaker 1: It just like, I don't know whether it's increasing or not,

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Speaker 1: but what I do know is that it's a real

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Speaker 3: It's a concern for our police force as well, if

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Speaker 3: they haven't got the resource to deal with this appropriately. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: the criticism comes back on them, and it shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: And we can make all the announcements we want, but again,

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Speaker 3: crime strategy that gone quiet? We had that announced obviously

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Speaker 3: these making actual difference? Our members are reporting no, they're not.

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Speaker 3: This is legislation that's not there. It's locally to support

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Speaker 3: a government agenda that they're tough on crime. It's not happening, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We haven't got the legislation and powers to do what

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Speaker 2: Just a very quick one.

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Speaker 1: I know I touched on this a moment ago, but

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Speaker 1: in relation to the pali's outside bottle shops in Catherine,

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Speaker 1: look have we what is the situation from your perspective?

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Speaker 1: What are officers on the ground telling you.

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Speaker 3: They do not want to stand in front of bottle

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Speaker 3: they joined the police force too. The big question is

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Speaker 3: the question they need to ask. For years now, the

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Speaker 3: liquor licensing inspectors and licensees should be responsible for their

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Speaker 3: It's not our core role and we should not be

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Speaker 3: there and our members don't want to be there. Well.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, the president of the Northern Territory Police Association,

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Speaker 1: always appreciate your time, Thank you as always for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Always appreciated Caddy, and thank you to the men and

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Speaker 3: the graduation tonight and celebrate this milestone coming forward for

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory Police. But we need the support and

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Speaker 3: we're constantly telling you we need the support. We need

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, thank you, appreciate your time, and to all

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Speaker 1: that you guys are hearing policy by the sounds of

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Speaker 1: it through the show. That shouldn't be the way that

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Speaker 1: it's happening, but I appreciate that you're listening.