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Speaker 1: Okay, how hi, how are you tapes ready for book club?

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Speaker 2: John High.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to book club.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we thought we talked about music today. Music plays

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Speaker 3: a big part in our lives, particularly you, Brendan.

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Speaker 2: It's been a big through line for your.

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Speaker 4: Definitely rock music, heart rock music, and you have dreadful

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Speaker 4: taste in music.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's let's see in your book fifty Shades of

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Speaker 3: fifty have you documented your early beginnings dabbling in the

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Speaker 3: world of music.

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Speaker 4: When I was a young man, I had my first

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Speaker 4: musical fan moment, and it was with John Denver. And

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Speaker 4: I remember there was High Calypso was everywhere. That song

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Speaker 4: was everywhere everywhere, and there was a poster in the

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Speaker 4: newspaper of John Denver, and I stuck it up on

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Speaker 4: my wall, and I remember looking at John Denver and

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Speaker 4: listening to High Calypso and just weeping.

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Speaker 2: What was the emotion? Let's know what, Let's drill down.

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Speaker 1: What it was?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 3: Was it the emotion of the song or was it

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Speaker 3: a generic kind of non sexual crush?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it was.

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Speaker 4: I would have been younger than ten, probably nine, and

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Speaker 4: but just and he did look a little bit like a.

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Speaker 3: Girl but sort of overwhelmed by the emotion of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and as you say, a fan moment, a fan moment.

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Speaker 4: And then along the way you became into you got

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Speaker 4: into your parents music. My dad was into Cat Stevens

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Speaker 4: at Elton John stuff.

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Speaker 2: We still play on the radio.

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Speaker 1: Funny that.

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Speaker 4: But then I found my own musical tastes through a

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Speaker 4: kiss and then Australian rock and the rich Seam, which

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Speaker 4: was Australian rock.

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Speaker 2: Patsy Bisco.

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Speaker 1: Patsy Bisco, she used to rock.

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Speaker 4: I liked when has she Free based with? It was

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Speaker 4: Sandals and had it off with Jemima.

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Speaker 2: She wasn't on play.

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Speaker 1: School, Jemima. Patsy Bisco.

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Speaker 2: She was a made up character, wasn't she?

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Speaker 1: She Wassco was real?

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Speaker 4: Was she?

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Speaker 1: Patsy Bisco was real? Was the made up one that

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Speaker 1: was clenic that he was doing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: He was doing a pisstake of Patsy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: See you've you've skipped out on Patsy.

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Speaker 2: I have sorry, I'll read for my book please.

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Speaker 1: The radiators were.

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Speaker 4: Playing at Carrying Burn and a bunch of us decided

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Speaker 4: we were going to go.

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Speaker 1: Let me just preface this. I was underage. I was seventeen.

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Speaker 4: At that stage, I'd grown a lot taller and had

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Speaker 4: grown my hair long, but just at the back.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that's called a mullet.

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Speaker 4: Well we didn't even have a name for it back then.

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Speaker 4: These days everyone knows it as the mullet.

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Speaker 2: What a phrase. I'd grown my hair long, but just

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Speaker 2: at the back.

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Speaker 1: That's what it was.

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Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty five, there was pretty much one uniform

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Speaker 4: for young men, a flannel at shirt, jeans and rollers shoes.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember rollers shoes?

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Speaker 4: There are a black suede boot with a rippled sole,

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Speaker 4: basically a black desert boot.

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Speaker 2: Desert boots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we didn't wear.

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Speaker 4: Desert boots in Cronulla because that were west They were

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Speaker 4: Westy shoes because well, this was a desert boot. No,

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Speaker 4: but it was It wasn't It was a roller sorry,

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Speaker 4: sensitive back to the book, only Westies wore desert birds.

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Speaker 4: Sydney as it was back then, was divided up into north, South,

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Speaker 4: no one really traveled to each other's burroughs.

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Speaker 3: Can I just make an observation, every single read from

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Speaker 3: your book we've done has started.

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Speaker 2: With poof wog are now whisky?

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Speaker 1: Well this was the time, These were the times. I week.

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Speaker 1: I'm terrified. I'm not saying it was good. It wasn't good.

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Speaker 4: But that's what White Australia, Suburban Australia and Peter Garrett

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Speaker 4: sums it up with the power and the passion, the

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Speaker 4: midnight or song you know under arms and football clubs.

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Speaker 4: It was that to toxic masculinity. Do you remember that

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Speaker 4: in the eighties You couldn't still have it? Not, no,

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Speaker 4: nowhere near as bad as what it was growing up

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Speaker 4: in the especially beachside suburbs in the eighties, seventies and

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Speaker 4: eighties that you couldn't surf in a cert and playbity blues.

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Speaker 4: It's exactly beauty bitty blues. I look at now where

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Speaker 4: I go surfing, and that used to be. We couldn't

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Speaker 4: even look at Crenula Point when we were kids. And

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Speaker 4: I used to surf a lot as a kid, but

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Speaker 4: we would never dream of going to Crenula Point.

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Speaker 2: It was a hierarchy.

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Speaker 1: It was such a hierarchy.

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Speaker 4: There's an aggressive old surface and they'd punched in the

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Speaker 4: head as sure as look at you.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I disrupted you from your book.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, But I'm just saying those were the times,

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Speaker 4: So that's what I make these referrals. I'm not hearkening

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Speaker 4: back to the good old days. These are terrible day

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Speaker 4: of course. The night at carrying bar in we stood

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Speaker 4: in the Queube, but not as a group. We spread out,

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Speaker 4: mingling in with old people in their twenties. I had

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Speaker 4: my wallet at and the part where I kept my

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Speaker 4: paper license.

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Speaker 2: What's that mean? Did you have your driver's license.

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Speaker 1: A paper license? Do you remember that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well I didn't have a license in those days.

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Speaker 1: By the time you got your license, they were plastic.

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Speaker 2: True.

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Speaker 4: With the aid of an old school's typewriter, I managed

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Speaker 4: to change my birth year from sixty eight to sixty seven.

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Speaker 4: Liquory caper look just a bit of scratching about three

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Speaker 4: people in front of me. A young guy tried his luck,

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Speaker 4: and the bouncer said, yeah, who you kidding?

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Speaker 4: Before I could get too anxious, the bouncer waved a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of a shrew to the cashier. And I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't get asked for my ID and ID until I

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Speaker 4: was in my late twenties.

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Speaker 1: So that was good.

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Speaker 4: We all just sort of It was like a shindless

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Speaker 4: list and you go in, you go quick, quick, quick,

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Speaker 4: with a bit of hack company.

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Speaker 3: Well no, because he saved them.

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Speaker 2: He did too, hopefully with justice, hatty and outcome. Okay,

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Speaker 2: keep going.

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Speaker 4: Once we were in, it was a mixture of beer,

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Speaker 4: sweat and smoke on the ceiling, dripping down on the ceiling.

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Speaker 4: It was beers on the ceilings, the rain wrap, drops

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Speaker 4: of condensation forming. What I've done is I've made the

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Speaker 4: mistake of highlighting. Well, I'm going to read here with

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Speaker 4: blue highlighted pets. Have a look, and no I can't read.

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Speaker 2: Oh you can't read it. You've covered it all up.

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Speaker 4: The Radiators were one of his staples of Ossie pub rock,

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Speaker 4: and they held their own up against the likes of

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Speaker 4: ACDC in Excess, College She Is, at the Angels and

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Speaker 4: Midnight Oil. They were quite an extraordinary band, and they

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Speaker 4: they got lost in the miasma of those other bands.

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Speaker 4: I remember, and years later I would get to become

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Speaker 4: friends with Doc Decent from the Angels.

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Speaker 1: We became friends with Doc.

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Speaker 2: But you still go and see the reading.

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Speaker 1: The Radiators, I know them quite well.

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Speaker 4: I remember at Doc Neson's funeral I was talking to

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Speaker 4: Brian Nickel, the lead singer of the Radiators, and we're

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Speaker 4: just reminiscing about Doc and I so, what do you

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Speaker 4: remember about performing with the Angels, because they used to

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Speaker 4: always support the Angels, And he said, I just remember

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Speaker 4: thinking if we could only play half as good as

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Speaker 1: I said, you beat a bit hard on them yourself,

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Speaker 4: But if you do look at film clips and the like,

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Speaker 4: or the trajectory of the Angels versus the Radiators, there

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Speaker 2: Did you crack on that night? What happens there?

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no. I just walked in there

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Speaker 4: and you didn't look at anyone. You just stood there

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Speaker 1: It was pretty much as wide as anything.

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Speaker 4: There wasn't any other nationality or anything in Caringbury in

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Speaker 4: that night. The first song they played was Coming Home,

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Speaker 4: and I hear that guitar riff to this day. I

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Speaker 4: have a visceral flashback to that night so many years ago.

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Speaker 4: My hoarse voice from singing at the top of my

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Speaker 4: everyone else is in that rim. Even though I just

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Speaker 4: turned seventeen, I sang along with seventeen again without any irony.

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Speaker 1: Whatsop, what would the irony have been?

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Speaker 2: What's the song?

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Speaker 4: I was seventeen and the song is I wish that

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Speaker 4: I was seventeen again. Here am I underage in a

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Speaker 2: Living the time of your life?

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Speaker 1: And that was that.

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Speaker 3: Well, as you can imagine, My musical beginnings were far

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Speaker 3: daggier than that.

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Speaker 2: No, I'll read from a bit of my book.

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Speaker 3: Where I was talking all the girls at school love basis.

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Speaker 2: No thank you. You can sniff that on your own.

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Speaker 3: All the girls at school love basity rollers. I was

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Speaker 3: more cynical. I wasn't into the rollers. But I do

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Speaker 3: still have a copy of sixteen Magazine, so I relied

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Speaker 3: copy of sixteen Magazine I bought predictably enough, when I

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Speaker 3: was sixteen. We'd be living in Beecroft for six years,

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Speaker 3: high It's.

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Speaker 4: Not a library.

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Speaker 3: Miss was the thing he hated us, say a news

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Speaker 3: on the verge of heading to the counter with your purchase.

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Speaker 3: But I was obviously shamed into actually buying this one.

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Speaker 3: This edition of sixteen magazine makes for fascinating reading. The

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Speaker 3: cover is dominated by a photo of Les from Basity

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Speaker 3: Rollers under the banner Rollers Dream Girl, Are you the one?

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Speaker 3: There's also a much smaller picture of Sean Cash with

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Speaker 3: the line what his best friends won't tell him? I

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Speaker 3: know you're dying to find out. Believe me, it's invaluable advice.

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Speaker 3: Quote trust your instincts, put a jacket on when it's

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Speaker 3: cold outside, and the intriguing you should have the seams

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Speaker 3: in your pants strengthened.

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Speaker 1: Was this the.

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Speaker 4: Advice that was the advice but that his friends decided

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Speaker 4: to give to him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's obviously.

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Speaker 3: I realize now all this is made up, But I've

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Speaker 3: read every word and loved it. Another tantalizing cover line

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Speaker 3: is Lafe, there's room for you in his life.

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Speaker 2: I remember loving this story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I went to school with there might be

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Speaker 4: someone there's not for me with.

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Speaker 3: They all went by just on their first names in

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Speaker 3: those days. Lafe Inside, a short story tells the tale

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Speaker 3: of you meeting Leif Garrett and going for a walk

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Speaker 4: You're like Nostrodamis, but the bedless nostrodarmis because what happened

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Speaker 2: That's right? She went on to be in one direction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now parents, you know, we've all become the culture

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Speaker 3: of happy forget, happy wife, happy life, happy kids, happy life. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: The bloody kids winning another war? Send them to the front?

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Speaker 4: Tag on the Turk little bastards.

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Speaker 1: What will we talk next time?

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Speaker 3: You'll have to wait for the next episode of Jones

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Speaker 3: and Amanda's Holiday book Club.

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