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Speaker 1: Now joining us live on the line actually from Wollongong

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Speaker 1: this morning. He is away for a police conference. It

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Speaker 1: is the Northern Territory Police Association President, Nathan Finn.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Finny, Good morning, Katie, Good morning to listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now mate, I'm going to get to this retention bonus

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Speaker 1: in just a moment. But first things first, we know

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Speaker 1: that there has been a number of disturbances in the

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Speaker 1: Victoria River region, according to Northern Territory Police. They issued

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Speaker 1: a statement yesterday saying that on Friday night and into

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning, police received numerous calls of disturbances in the

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Speaker 1: community of what Air. Those reports included instances of fighting,

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Speaker 1: criminal damage, arson, stolen vehicles. The what Air police compound

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Speaker 1: was breached by offenders cutting the perimeter fence once inside.

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Speaker 1: Two non police vehicles were damaged. Finny, have you spoken

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Speaker 1: to those officers?

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Speaker 2: Are they Okaya, Katy, I'm fucking these that these officers

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Speaker 2: over a number of times. This is obviously an ongoing

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Speaker 2: issue that we've raised on a number of occasions. We

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Speaker 2: first raise this a September last year. We raised again

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Speaker 2: as another concern with also the Chief Minister from the

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Speaker 2: Police Minister in January this year about our concerns for

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Speaker 2: our staffing at the remote community of what I these

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Speaker 2: members suffering extreme circumstances out there, there's streme conditions that

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Speaker 2: they operate under for their safety to be breached constantly

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Speaker 2: as government and not take this seriously is quite frustrating

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Speaker 2: for us and our members out there. Why should we

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Speaker 1: Look, what are the options so Finny? I mean, like obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, making the compound more secure as an option,

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Speaker 1: but surely you can't get to a point where you're

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Speaker 1: by the sounds of it, they're absolutely required.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely COVID, they're definitely required. But if the community

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Speaker 2: constantly put our members at safety risk. It's not acceptable,

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Speaker 2: Cadie and the government said they're going to do all

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Speaker 2: these security upgrades, we still haven't seen anything. And members

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Speaker 2: It's not acceptable, Cudian. We know that and the government

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Speaker 2: has made that quite clear, but they haven't done anything

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Speaker 1: And I'm certain there's like any area around Australia, that

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Speaker 2: Finny, and definitely if this was happening in at East

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Speaker 2: broken into here at the front line newspaper articles. Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: it's not in the Northern Territory, and unfortunately we come

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Speaker 2: to accept this court of behavior which is not acceptable. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what do you want to see the Northern

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Speaker 2: To make sure the security of the complex is obviously

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a fair enough point to make.

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Speaker 1: And look, you know, I hope that things are able

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not. And when you say they're feeling like

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Speaker 2: Every single day. Our members struggle with this daily because

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Speaker 1: Well, look, no doubt we'll be talking more about this,

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Speaker 1: of the August twenty twenty four general election. Why do

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Speaker 2: Definitely, Katy we as I've spoken about on a number

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Speaker 2: of occasions, especially with you in other programs. Obviously in

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Speaker 2: as we said, we're in Willoingong today with the Police

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Speaker 2: New Zealand because of our experience, we need to look

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Speaker 2: but we need to reward those members for staying on

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Speaker 1: How much could it potentially be.

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Speaker 2: For the retention share, Yeah, so the retention brainers, We've

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Speaker 2: floated a few ideas. There's nothing specifics at the moment.

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Speaker 2: We just want to make sure that these members that

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Speaker 1: So if there was, I mean, if you could put

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Speaker 1: sort of hard to you know, to just throw a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're thrown a few numbers out there were Obviously

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Speaker 2: all know it's easy to recruit a constable, but it's

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we asked the opposition leader Leafanocchiaro about this

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Speaker 2: Not moving away, definitely, Caddy, and it gives them greater

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Speaker 2: And that's all we asked for some recognition of the

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Speaker 1: We also know today Parliament sitting today it is expected

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Speaker 2: Move anything, Katie. As we said, we will call quite

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Speaker 2: a lot of criticous criticism at the government when they

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Speaker 2: And that was all was about to start with. We're

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Speaker 2: And that's all we're worried about.

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Speaker 1: Finny, before I let you go this morning, I know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not something that went on for me with Katie.

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Speaker 2: This is something our members report every day. They haven't

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Speaker 2: So again, those waiting times that the people are waiting

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Speaker 2: we see the current of court going through at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and we accept some criticism in stuff that we don't

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Speaker 2: I don't believe so, Katie. I think there needs to

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Speaker 2: over and over again, it's very short sighted and very

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Speaker 1: So I reckon, do you, I mean, do you feel

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Speaker 1: as though you know, obviously we understand the work that

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Speaker 2: Ok it needs to be a lot more done. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: police officers. Unfortunately, that's not going to help the situation.

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Speaker 2: To get a police officer to respond to a doistic

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Speaker 2: while we focus on the little things about this and

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Speaker 2: prevent some of these stuff. But again, it shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: every issue in the Northern territory. Well, a huge amount

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Speaker 1: Look, Finny, I know that there's going to be people

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Speaker 1: listening that's saying, you know, saying the issue of racism

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Speaker 1: within the forces, not a little thing, or the allegations

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Speaker 1: of racism within the forces, not a little things. It's

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guarantee, Katie. And we've said on a number of

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Speaker 2: occasions there's no place for it, and to hear this

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Speaker 2: focus of this. This is actually a review for coronial

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Speaker 2: inquest in relation to domestic violence debts, okay, in relation

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Speaker 2: to the police that hasn't stopped what's happened in that space.

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Speaker 2: We need to focus on what happened in that space

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Speaker 2: and make sure that we can actually deal with it

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Speaker 2: obviously they need it well.

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Speaker 1: President of the Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan Finn, we

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Speaker 1: are going to have to leave it there. Always appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time, Thank you very much for speaking with us

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, and obviously out here to stend obviously

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Speaker 2: my appreciations to our men and women as move up

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Speaker 2: there and make sure we're always here to have you

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Speaker 2: back and make sure that you've supported no matter where

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Speaker 2: you are and what you do.

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Speaker 1: So thank you very much, working incredibly hard, good on

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Speaker 1: your finny.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, sir Studdy