1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure. With me Lolaberry, author, nutritionist, 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lolaberry. Hello, 5 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: it's lols here, Episode two, Season six of the pod 6 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: and get ready for it less than eight weeks away 7 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: till Christmas. Scary. Okay, First of all, we have got 8 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: to say a massive congrats to all Melbournians who are 9 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: now officially out of really strict Lockdown. And today's guest 10 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: is a wonderful Melbournian that got so many Victorians and 11 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure many other people around the world through Lockdown 12 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: with his absolutely hilarious TikTok videos. Jeff Vanderzand is incredible. 13 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I reckon you would definitely know he did his TikTok 14 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: and he was doing the scomo voiceover and like disco 15 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: themed the triple J you kind of mash up. It 16 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: went viral. I'm talking over a million people looking at it. 17 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: This guy's got such an act for TikTok, so good 18 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: at limp singing and really really great at lip syncing 19 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: to kids. Randomly. On top of that, Mega Creative got 20 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: his own company called Workshop Creative with his mate Ash McKenzie, 21 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: and they actually do lots of marketing and media for 22 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: amazing theater and musical productions all over Australia. So for him, 23 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: his work kind of changed and went quiet overnight when 24 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: Corona hit, and so he turned to TikTok just as 25 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: some daily fun. He's also humble as anything and an 26 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: ambassador of Polish Man. So Polish Man, as you know, 27 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm also an ambassador for They're all about ending violence 28 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: against children. I'm going to put all the details in 29 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: the show notes here to get on board and get 30 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: behind this great cause. Big thank you, Jeff. You are 31 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: not only hilarious, but you are so humble. Hope you 32 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: guys love him. Hello and welcome to the podcast. Jeff 33 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: Vanders And I'm so excited to have you because you, 34 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: my friend, are a TikTok superstar. 35 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: That makes me uncomfortable. 36 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: I'll keep saying it that I. 37 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: Just hate all of that. I'm just like influencer, are 38 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: not famous like any of that stuff. 39 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: I'm just say, do you know what, though, you take 40 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: it with a grain of salt. Part of my job 41 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: is a bit of influencery stuff, and I'm just like, yeah, 42 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: it's one of the things I do. You know, great 43 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: of salt. But I have to say, you have bought 44 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: me being a Victorian as well. You have bought me 45 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: so much isolation, isolation joy through your videos. And it 46 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: was so good to research you because I was normally 47 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: I feel a bit guilty when I spend like hours 48 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: on TikTok, and I was like, no, this is work, absolutely. 49 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 50 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: We've got to talk about the Scomo versus Andrew video 51 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: that went viral that's sort of over a million views. Now, yeah, 52 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: tell me about it. First of all, when you saw that, 53 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: we just like because Triple J did the mash up right, 54 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: and you were just like, Okay, this is too good 55 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: not to indulge in. 56 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: I mean, and like, funny story, I got trolled so 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: hard by Triple J for doing that. Yeah, I mean, 58 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: it's all it's all like in the past now so 59 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: I can feel like I can talk about it. But 60 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: like I was spending my days trolling, trolling TikTok, trolling, 61 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: not trolling, trolling TikTok, and I came across their video 62 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: like of that song mash up, which I felt was hilarious. Yeah, 63 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: and like at that point, I was doing a TikTok 64 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: to a TikTok a day, so I was like, yeah, 65 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: this is fine, Like I love this mix, I'm going 66 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: to do that. And so I just did it with 67 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: you know, the funny lights and a fan and whatever. 68 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: But like I never I never intended it to go 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: any further than my you know, ten followers or whatever. 70 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: And then I shared it to my friends on Facebook 71 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: and then it kind of blew up. And then next minute, 72 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: the Morning Show or the Today Show or something was 73 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: calling me and they wanted to get me on like 74 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: to talk about it and whatever. 75 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: And Triple Jay. 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: Saw it kind of blow up, and they were like, 77 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: this random dude has just stolen our video and then 78 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: posted it on Facebook, and now he's getting to go 79 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: on like the Morning Show, the Home of the Boomers, 80 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: like they were like pre recorded ads that were going 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: out and so they were going to watch my interview 82 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: live and like trold me about it. I no idea, 83 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: but I'm like that that's actually that's what That's what 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: a whole section of TikTok is about, like taking people's audio, 85 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: redoing them or totally ways, like and I'd always credit 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: it like I'd never I'd never wanted to to steal 87 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: it from I just thought it was funny and I 88 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: shared it like that was wild. 89 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: Did the Tables turn? Like when when it kind of 90 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: like because it got a lot of what feels like 91 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: global love and did the Tables Turn? And they were like, nah, 92 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: You're actually a legend. Did that ever happen? 93 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: Well? 94 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 3: Luckily, I was like always crediting them, like in every 95 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: interview I did, I was like, they did this, and 96 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: then I like in all the stories, I was like, 97 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: Triple J did this, like Sally and ericah blah blah 98 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And so eventually and I even like 99 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: messaged them on Instagram being like I'm like, don't. I 100 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: don't know what else to do, Like I really want 101 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: the credit to go to you guys. You mix the 102 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: track like it's all yours. And then they eventually got 103 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: me on and we had this like on air kind 104 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: of like oh, this is really awkward. 105 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: I hope you don't hate me. Cute. 106 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I love it. The one that I loved that came 107 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: out I think around that same time is the Brombies 108 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: the finger barn Brombies and it's like you can't have 109 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: a chain and might scroll, but you can get a 110 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: finger bun. I tried to do that one on my 111 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: tea and I took about eighty five takes and I 112 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: still left it up. And yours is like perfect. You're 113 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: also suited up, like you literally look like you're giving 114 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: a political speech. It's incredible. How first of all, how 115 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: do you pick them? Like, how do you go, Yeah, 116 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: this is going to fly with me? 117 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: Like this is fun I think for me, I mean 118 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: it has to make me laugh first. I'm selfish in 119 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: that respect where I'm like, if I don't find it fun, 120 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: I don't want to do it, Like I have to 121 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: has to make me laugh. And there's some of them 122 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 3: that I've tried to film, like I've had to do 123 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: it multiple times because like I laughed so much at 124 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: the audio, so like, yeah, I have to find it funny. 125 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 3: That's like, that's that's the start in the end of 126 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: why I Choose a Kick Up? 127 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, so cool and so so I just shared that 128 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: it took me about eighty five takes to do a 129 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: very mediocre version of Brumbi's how some really easy like 130 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: you get them two goes and it's done, or do 131 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: some take like you know, like we're talking like half 132 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: a dozen goes, or because you've been doing this since 133 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: the dub Smash day is my friends, so you're a natural. 134 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: I like I somehow have had this just years of 135 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: practice doing lip syncing. And it's so funny because back 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: like someone actually said to me, get off dub Smash 137 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: and get on TikTok because no one cares about your 138 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: dub smash. 139 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: Everyone's lips singing on TikTok. So you didn't do it 140 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: on there. Amazing, But yeah, look some of them. 141 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: It also depends on the length and how complicated they are. 142 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: Like I listen, I listen to every little breath or 143 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: like paper shuffle or anything in there to make it 144 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: seem realistic. And yeah, some of them just take like 145 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: two takes and then I'm done, But I'm really There 146 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: was one that I did of Steve Carrell as a 147 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: newsreader where he was like one, yes, yes, that one 148 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: maybe took me like three hours, and I was beside myself, 149 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: like the sun the sun had started to set. You 150 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: can see when I'm in the I'm in the like 151 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: booth being the like listening guy. That's when I finished 152 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: all the newsreader stuff. But like the lighting is so 153 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: different because the sun had set by the time I 154 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: managed to do with his breaths and pauses, and like 155 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: when he came in and when the paper was shuffled, 156 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: there were way too many things and it was too 157 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: long for me to like just just do it in 158 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: one quick filming take. 159 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought the breath up because, like I said, 160 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm an absolute novious of TikTok and I just do 161 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: it for fun. And basically I just think it's it 162 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: entertains me and takes my boyfriend and then I'll send 163 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: it to like five friends. But I was watching yours 164 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: back in the day, like when I say back in 165 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: the day, from the moment. When I say back in 166 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: the day, I mean like the lockdown mark one, like 167 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: early in March. I was like, this guy's hilarious. And 168 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: I figured out watching yours that it's all about the breath. 169 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: If you can get the breath right, usually they'll give 170 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: you the rough timing, like a timestamp of it, and 171 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: then you can kind of car to get And also 172 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: like is it a little bit about like with you 173 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: because you nail kids. You are so good at kids. 174 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: Everyone has to be so careful how they say that. 175 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: I know, I was just no, I don't excuse me 176 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: as that came out. I was like, oh god, I've 177 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: just walked into But you are so wonderful at capturing kids. TikTok. 178 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Should I say thank you? 179 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: Safe and with the kids with you. I feel like 180 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: your expression eye contact, we look. It's almost like and 181 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: kids almost think out loud with their eyes and you 182 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: nail that us. Okay, do you do that really? 183 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: Well? Allow that one that was like you nail those expressions. 184 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 2: I'll take that. 185 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: Is it like that you're just studying the human behavior 186 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: and then you're just like, Okay, I've got the breath down, Pat, 187 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: I've got the expressions down pat, and now I'm just 188 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: gonna have fun with it. 189 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like that makes it seem way 190 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: more complicated at the thought process then I actually go. 191 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: Through like think. 192 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: I think for me, it is about the breath and 193 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: it's more about the Other tip that I have is 194 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: that like, listen to other things in the video, like 195 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: if there's a clap or something, or like other things 196 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: you can use that as like timing that if you 197 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: as soon as you be a clap, that's that, that's 198 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: when I have to say the next thing. Yeah, because 199 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: it is all about timing lips and yeah, but when 200 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: it comes down to the expressions, I guess like I 201 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't say that I'm an actor, but I would just like, 202 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: I am just thinking about the thought processes that they have, 203 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: Like if the kids like nervous that they're going to 204 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: get caught for something like, that's the thought process that 205 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: goes through my head. 206 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: And then yeah, I just that's it. 207 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: And I've seen you to a few where you're eating 208 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: and I've always been like, oh, the eating ones are 209 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: going to be so hard, But it's actually like a 210 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: prop where it gives you again, it timestamps it to 211 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: bit like okay, so I could talk to you all 212 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: day long about TikTok. But and when we book this 213 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: podcast and I was like, have you studied drama school? 214 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: And you're like, nah, I just love being a do 215 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: fist pretty much. But you did do amateur theater in 216 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: camera as. 217 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: A youngster when I was growing up. 218 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty cool. I feel like you need that 219 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: skill set to be so comfortable doing these I study. 220 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm at drama school right now, and I love TikTok 221 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, this feels like drama homework totally. 222 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: And actually, some of my favorite TikTok lip syncers are 223 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: the ones that actually like give it some acting, like 224 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: give it some kind of believability. It's just like another 225 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: level because you can you can also lip sync and 226 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 3: then not give it any of the intention Like I'm 227 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: making this sound way more complicated than it actually is, 228 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: but like if there's no intentional like believability about what 229 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 3: you're saying, then it just cuts some of the level 230 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: out of what makes it so fascinating to watch. 231 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: Well, you do it very well, my friend, Thank you 232 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: very much. Whatever your process is, and it sounds like 233 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: yours is a bit more free flowing the mind. I'm 234 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: like very analytical, and I'm like I've got a right 235 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: and i can spend like hours on it, and I'm 236 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: like not good enough, not good enough. And then TikTok, 237 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: when you share it to Insta stories, it loves to 238 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: just like not time perfectly. It look like you're a 239 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: really bad lip sinker, and I'm like I have to 240 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: do a story after and be like Okay, I don't 241 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: know what the problem is here. I promise it's not 242 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: as bad. 243 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: It's so annoying. 244 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: I have now actually started to I'm cheating here, but 245 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: like I put it into Premier and I move it 246 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: one frame because it is so perfect on TikTok and 247 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: then in Instagram it just shifts it. 248 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 4: Like what, I'm so glad that I'm so bad that 249 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 4: happens to you too, though, Mental I want to talk 250 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 4: about your career before COVID because I was so I'm 251 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 4: so glad that you're a creative because I could feel 252 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 4: I could feel that just like consuming your tiktoks, but 253 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 4: you're a creative bart director, graphic. 254 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: Designer for your company Workshop Creative. Is that correct? 255 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: Yep? 256 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: And you do that with your mate ash Ash Mackenzie. 257 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 3: I feel like I also have to name drop him 258 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: in all of my interviews too, because I'm like, he 259 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: is like the other half of Workshop Creative, Like I 260 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 3: can't have people out there and be like, this is 261 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 3: your company. 262 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: But he's also like ex performer as well, isn't he? 263 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: So he've done their theater life. So from what I've 264 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: great website, by the way, but from what I've consumed 265 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: it seems like you guys come in and like say, 266 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: work with a theater or stage frushion or even like 267 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: Melbourne International Film Festival, and then you shoot and create 268 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: the marketing concept that then goes out for everybody. Is 269 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: that correct? 270 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty much so some And it's mostly in live 271 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: entertainment that we plan because it's where our passion is. 272 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: But often our producer will come to us and be like, 273 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: this show is coming to Australia. I'm going to produce 274 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: this show. What do we do, what does it look like? 275 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: What do we say? How do we get people to 276 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: come see it? And sometimes they'll be like, we wanted 277 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: to have a brand new look, which is where I 278 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: come alive, and I like, I love creating artwork for 279 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: shows that are existing but like completely new, like giving 280 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: it a new life. But then there are other shows 281 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: like Hamilton that are like, this is the brand, don't 282 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: touch it. Just do the things like come up with 283 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: messaging and creative social media ideas and like you can 284 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: play in those bounds. But the way that it looks 285 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: is set. 286 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: Because that was kind of set with Disney as well, 287 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: wasn't it, Like that was the Disney Theater arm so 288 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: that would be like a beast. 289 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: I mean, like Disney was interesting. 290 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: I did a Laddin with them, and like they were 291 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: at the start, they were very much like this is 292 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 3: the brand, like you don't touch it. But then as 293 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: it kind of evolved, we started to be able to 294 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: integrate some like photos of the casts and that kind 295 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: of thing. Like as with all campaigns, there is there 296 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: is always a life to it, like it has to 297 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: keep evolving with the time and the challenges that you face. 298 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: And so yeah, and it looks like you worked with 299 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: David Campbell, who was the lead in Is It a 300 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: Assassin's Yeah, I've worked with him before and he's absolutely hilarious. 301 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: He's the best, super. 302 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: Talented right, Yeah, that voice Boomer, I. 303 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: Mean, the voice personalities is just he's great. This is 304 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: also just a lovely human too. 305 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, So do you get to work with the talent? 306 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: So basically, because I was trying to understand that, do 307 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: they basically come to you and go, say, a theater 308 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: production or a musical wants to create a trailers for 309 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: digital media? Do you then, because it looks like you're 310 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: very hands on, like do you help create that? Do 311 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: you work with the director? Do you work with the cast. 312 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: How does it work? 313 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 314 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: I mean, like the thing that I personally do the 315 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: most is photoshoots, So that's probably when I get the 316 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: most involved with the cast. Like, well, storyboards, I moon 317 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: bought it and something kind of get a concept, and 318 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: then photoshoot day comes along, and then essentially I will 319 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: direct the cast with the director, like I know that 320 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: I know the the image that I'm trying to achieve, 321 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: and then the director is there to kind of be 322 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: like character probably wouldn't do that or like you know, yeah, 323 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: kind of protecting the show and I'm sort of so 324 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: we kind of worked together in that sense. But yeah, 325 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: totally in terms of video content as well, Like it's 326 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: a similar way, Like that's that's when we get the 327 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: most interaction with the cast and we're like physically creating 328 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: something with them. Yeah. 329 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: So, what's been like a highlight because you've done so 330 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: many things. You did Priscilla as well, Palace Cinema, Alby 331 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: International Film Festie, Like what's been your fave? 332 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: Oh god, I had so much fun on Palace Cinemas. 333 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: I actually did that shoot on my birthday and we 334 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: were doing maybe that was a different one anyway, Now 335 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: they were like opening their premium gold class type cinema 336 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: in Sydney, and we were doing like a food shoot basically, 337 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: like I don't have to direct food, so I was 338 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: basically just there making sure everything was going well and 339 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: we're getting the shots that we needed. And then I 340 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: was just the food taste of so like, well that 341 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: shuts down? Do you want to eat it? 342 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: Like? Just try it? 343 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: And they had these amazing like a tasting row of 344 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: chop ups. They were like mini chuck tups that you 345 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: could buy in like a like a tasting paltta lines 346 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: chop ups. 347 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is amazing, wild berry, so caramel, 348 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: peppermints exactly. 349 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: I'm want this in all cinemas. 350 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: Would be great working with Palace Cinemas too, because they're 351 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: kind of iconic, but they've got that old school romance 352 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: to them as well, like the magic of going to 353 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: the theater they kind of totally evoke every time we 354 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: step forward into Palace Cinema. Absolutely, And it's funny that 355 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: you love food shoots. I write food books, and so 356 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: food shoots for me I means a food shots me 357 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: are a lot of fun, but also like it's so 358 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: much food and often the good thing about my mine, 359 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like yours are the same. It was real food, 360 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: but often you do food shoots and it's not real food. 361 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: No, totally. 362 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: Let they paint veggiemte on steaks to make them look done, 363 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: and you know, clad glue was used in ice cream 364 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and mash I did a shoot 365 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: once four It was it was a big A and 366 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: Z shoot and I had to hold a broccoli ice cream, 367 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: so a green ice cream. It was made from potatoes, 368 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: mashed potatoes and food dye. You know, like it's so 369 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: so you got to taste real food, which is nice. 370 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, lucky me totally. 371 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to go back to TikTok for a seco. 372 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm jumping around, but that's mustas. So you've done some 373 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: pretty epic kind of like campaigns, like you've worked with 374 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: Milo having our stuff for Amazon beats by Dray. You've 375 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: done like some pretty amazing influencer campaigns. 376 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like there's way back a lot of them, 377 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: like not Milo and sort of the more later ones, 378 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 3: but like really early on, people were just sending me 379 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 3: so much stuff, and at the. 380 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: Beginning, I'm like, what do you want me? 381 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: To do with it, like I'm not the thing that 382 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: I was always really like, I'm not gonna all of 383 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 3: a sudden stop doing it, like. 384 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: Guys, this is amazing, this thing is so good. 385 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 3: Like I'm not going to start talking like promoting products 386 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 3: in that sense. And they're like, no, no, no, just like 387 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 3: use them as a prop in your videos, and I went, 388 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: all right, sure, So, like you know that I would 389 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: just like wear some sunglasses while I'm doing a thing 390 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 3: and and always make it relevant like I would. I 391 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: would hate for something to just like show up and 392 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 3: be like, well that's obvious, but like it was always 393 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: part of whatever I was filming. And yeah, a lot 394 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 3: of those things just they just wanted to feature as 395 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 3: a prop, which was fine by me because. 396 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: Like the Milo mine was the Milo one was like 397 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: the Lion King soundtrack, wasn't it. 398 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was that And that was hard that one. 399 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, it was very hard to film that one. 400 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: I had avoided that. I loved that audio clip, but 401 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: I'd avoided it because it was so hard, Like the 402 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 3: laughing is really hard lip syncing because you've got to 403 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: get the like the movement of the laugh. But also 404 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: like I was so particular about like how like when 405 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: the milo landed with the music, Okay, so maybe there 406 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: is a little bit more to you, like maybe I 407 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: am a little bit kind of like, no, it has 408 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: to be I stilled so much my life. But yeah, 409 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: they were like, we need you to be on either 410 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 3: team Hot or Team Cold, and I'm like, how do 411 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: I do that? Without speaking? Like every other influencer's content 412 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 3: was like this is the best way to do it. 413 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: I love putting in the microwave. 414 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: I love it on the stone or whatever. 415 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, you were team Cold though obviously were you? 416 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: I was Team Hoart? 417 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: Were you? 418 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: Because I watched I must have soa is the end? 419 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: Do you use the microwave? And everyone like laughing and 420 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: being very lying king it's yeah. 421 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: But I got so much hate for putting it in 422 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 3: the microwave. Apparently that's not how you do it, and you're. 423 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: Never gonna win one as an influencer. Trust me, I 424 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: got hate this today. I'm I'm in Regional Victoria, so 425 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: we're allowed to leave a little bit the house a 426 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: little bit more than you guys because you're in Melbourne, right, yes, yes, 427 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: And it was my boyfriend's birthday, saying we went hiking, 428 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: but we wore our masks because we were hiking and 429 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: not running, so you know, the only time and I 430 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: got hate for having my mask on walking because no 431 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: one else was around, like they expected that I would 432 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: just oh well, even though I'm like, that's breaking the law, 433 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: and I'd get smashed on Instagram. 434 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: Like it's God, how dare you be too cautious? Dan? 435 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: You worse? 436 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: So my boy is You're never gonna win. So where 437 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: where tune now? Like, so basically I heard an interview 438 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: with you where everything was going great guns with your 439 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: like work stuff with workshop Creer, signing some really exciting contracts, 440 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: getting some cool people on board, and then boom, Covid 441 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: hit and then hints like TikTok more, TikTok A day 442 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: was born. Yeah, but now I feel like there's a 443 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. 444 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: You can feel like I know that theater and musicals 445 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: and whatnot probably all pushed next year. Is there? Has 446 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: it all been pushed next year? 447 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 3: I mean like Sydney have got Pippen and Frozen opening 448 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: at the end of this year, so like they're kind 449 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: of like just the first sort of trickles of new things. 450 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: There was one musical that did a full musical on 451 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: Zoom recently. But they're just like considering how much we 452 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: had in the pipeline before COVID, Like I think there 453 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: were like three shows about to announce and there was 454 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: two running shows like and all of them just over 455 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 3: that were like, my h there's We're nowhere near that. 456 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: And I think especially in Melbourne, like thinking about just 457 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: audiences being comfortable going to sit in the same room 458 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: as people again, like I feel that feels kind of 459 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: far away, as sad as that is, but having said that, 460 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 3: the silver lining is with our travel restrictions and kind 461 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 3: of you know, people from overseas not being able to 462 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: come here anytime soon, I think we will have a 463 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: lot more Australian product and like wholly Australian created things, 464 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 3: and I think that's really exciting for when we get 465 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 3: to that point. But yeah, Sydney, Sydney is going to 466 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 3: be great for musicals, I think because they're they're kind 467 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: of on the on the track with with stuff coming up. 468 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, so has work stuff for you kind of 469 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: paused or are you and obviously influence the world even 470 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: though you don't like that word has kind of like 471 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: has kind of like evolved or is it Like No, 472 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna be pumped about Sydney stuff. We're going to 473 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: keep everything happening with Workshop Creative, and I'll just let 474 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: TikTok be its own little beast that whatever comes comes, Like, 475 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: is there which one are you kind of focused on 476 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: more at the moment. 477 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 3: I mean, TikTok is always and will always be the 478 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: thing that I do for fun. I don't really ever 479 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: want to turn it into like work. I'm not. I 480 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 3: never I never set out to be like, oh I 481 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: want to get famous on TikTok, like I want to 482 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: do all this stuff Like I'm not interested in that, 483 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 3: and it makes me slightly uncomfortable. 484 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: Whereas Workshop is the thing that I've always been. 485 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: Passionate about and being creative and making things like so 486 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 3: Workshop will always be my number one. And we are 487 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: working on Hamilton at the moment, so that is coming 488 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: to Sydney, and that's still a lot of work, so 489 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 3: we are We've still got stuff to do. 490 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: So that's and Hamilton's massive, like every anyone that's into like, 491 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: I've seen that many people posting about it. So it 492 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: feels like the message is totally out there, even like 493 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: Melbourne people posting about it. 494 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: We're doing our jobs. 495 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, you're doing You're doing wonderful. I read 496 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: on your bio and I just loved it as like 497 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: a little mandra Your goal is to do good work 498 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: for good people. Absolutely, that's something that you live by 499 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: in nearly any choice you make with it with work 500 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: and creative stuff. 501 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that. 502 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 3: Comes from having worked with a lot of not nice people. 503 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 3: Like you know, there's there's no light without the darkness, right, 504 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: So I think when like, I've been freelancing for a 505 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 3: period before we started Workshop Creative, and Ash and I 506 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: had both had a lot of time spent in agencies 507 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: and like kind of having our lives destroyed, like you know, 508 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 3: having your soul ripped out by an agency and just 509 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 3: like working yourself to death and being stressed and all 510 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: that stuff. So when we started Workshop, we were like 511 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: life always comes first before work, always like that between us, 512 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 3: we're always like, if you need to do a life thing, 513 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 3: or like if you want to just like stop half 514 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: halfway through the day and do work and whatever, like 515 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 3: always do your life first. 516 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: And then the second part was that, yeah. 517 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: We wanted to do good work and work that we 518 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: were passionate about for people that we respected and trusted 519 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: and liked. And yeah, and that kind of mentality has 520 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: served us really well. 521 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: Hmmm. I like it, I really And it's so freaking 522 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: simple now on the if we were to look into 523 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: a crystal ball and look like two years into the 524 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: future obviously like sans COVID stuff. So after all this 525 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: monarchy has calmed down, Like if you guys are working 526 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: so much with you know, musical theater, theater, live performances 527 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: obviously like the home of that is you know Broadway, 528 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: and you know, is there any intent to kind of 529 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: like do stuff overseas as well. 530 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: I've done a bit of stuff for people in the UK. 531 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: I've done a couple of things for like UK agencies 532 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: over there when I was a freelancer. I'm not sure. 533 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: I would hope that Australia is in a place where 534 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: we get to like grow what we do down here, 535 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 3: because I think it as surprising as it is, like 536 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 3: the industry to do the stuff that we do is 537 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: not very big. But yeah, there's there's almost like a 538 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: lack of passion or something like I don't know that 539 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not quite sure that we have enough 540 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: of what we what ash can I do here? Like, 541 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 3: I'd love to see more of that, and like even 542 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 3: if that means other agencies pop up and whatever, Like, yeah, 543 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: I feel like our landscape here is so kind of 544 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: untouched and there's there's so much to do here, So 545 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: I don't I can't. I can't imagine us branching out 546 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 3: to Broadway because like and also like, Australia is on 547 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: a much better trajectory for having theater come back, So 548 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 3: I think staying Australia, will say, will be really exciting 549 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: for the next couple of years. 550 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: And you can already see in film like there's three 551 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: things being shot out of by and Bay right now 552 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: as we exactly. It's very exciting. 553 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: Australia is going to be the place. 554 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So the reason why I got to do 555 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: this interview with you today is because you and I 556 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: are both ambassadors for Polish Man. What made you want 557 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: to get involved with these guys? 558 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's an excellent cause I think that 559 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: stat of one child dying every five minutes is horrific. 560 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 3: And I have like a very young niece and nephew 561 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 3: who I just adore. And so the thought of like 562 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: either of those two encountering any violence in their young 563 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: childhood life like actually makes me want to cry. And 564 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: so you know, of course I said yes to becoming 565 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: an ambassador for Polish Men because it is and it's 566 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: also nothing like it's nothing that is asking of me, 567 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: like to paint a mail, to start a conversation, to 568 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: ask people for donations, like if that's all I can do, 569 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 3: like and I'm hoping to do more, but like, if 570 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: that's all that I need to do, then sign me up. 571 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: Because yeah, and then there's there's the amazing side of 572 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: being an influencer. Look at the good change you can do. 573 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's and that's the stuff that I'm like 574 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 3: here for that, like here for actually making a difference. 575 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 3: No one needs me to promote a hair product, like 576 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: but if I'm if I'm going to promote something with 577 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: my real voice, it's going to be this. 578 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: Do you get noticed in the street? Do you get 579 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: people surely that that andrew Scomo thing? Surely people? 580 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: I mean, this is the strange thing about becoming popular 581 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 3: in a pandemic. I see most of my time at 582 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 3: home of course, but yeah, really early on, I used 583 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: to go to Cole's and I would have people like 584 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: because at that stage we were wearing masks, but people 585 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: would like yell at me from their. 586 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 5: Cars, like saying what I love you, I love you 587 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 5: on tiktokin, or like someone at Cole's being like, oh 588 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 5: my god, you're the guy, You're the TikTok. 589 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 3: And I'd be like, uh, like I really early on, 590 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: I was just I didn't know how to deal with it. 591 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 3: I just got really embarrassed. And then people stopping me 592 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: and shopping shopping like like I go to a sourced to. 593 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: Yes, how good is sauced? 594 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: I love it? But yeah, a woman stopped me in there. 595 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: She was like, oh my god, I I need to 596 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: photo with you. 597 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: I need to fight it with you. 598 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: My kids are so embarrassed, and she was just like 599 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: making such a deal about it. And I think that 600 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 3: was the point where I was like, this isn't about 601 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: me like this, this person has got like it. I 602 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 3: can just suppress my embarrassment for just half a second 603 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: if this if she wants to take a photo of me, 604 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: then fine, and then I can go about my days. 605 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: But it's more about the other person, like making sure 606 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 3: that they feel like they're not a dick for just 607 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: being excited about something. 608 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: And I think also, and again, it's one of the 609 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: positive sides of being an influencer, Like you've probably bought 610 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: these people and I know you've bought me like a 611 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: lot of laughter, and so that's going to bring some 612 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: silver lining to feeling cooped up in lockdown. Like if 613 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: you wait out like that and you're kind of the 614 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: perception changes to well, hopefully I've made this person laugh. 615 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: Then you know it's really nice what. 616 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: I'm doing, and like I'm all for that, Like as 617 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 3: long as long as it's having a positive impact, then fine, I'll. 618 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: Be And I love how you've really I feel like 619 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: you've really heard every time. I feel like because I'm 620 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: a Victorian as well, and you'll be scrolling Instagram and 621 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: your friends in Byron Bay or Sydney or gold Gost, 622 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: I live in life like these guys. Other than other 623 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: than not being able to cross borders, they're pretty much living. 624 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: So then I'll go to your TikTok and you will 625 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: have just done the most hilarious thing that makes a 626 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: Victorian feel very heard and very seen and he'd be like, 627 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, the newest Dan Andrews update, and You'll be like, yep, 628 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: season two. We're still in lockdown, you know, like it. 629 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: But it's so nice to feel heard, and you know, 630 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: although it's what needs to happen, it's still really confronting 631 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: and it's uncomfortable. So seeing you kind of like find 632 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: the humor of it is it's almost like it relieves 633 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: the pressure. It's really nice. So I think what you're 634 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: doing is wonderful. 635 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, like I would hate for 636 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: anyone to think that I'm making fun of the pandemic. 637 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: Like I have my own moments where I'm like this 638 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: is shit, Like I'm not happy, Like the day that 639 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 3: I did the Dan Andrews on the day before he 640 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 3: did the press conference, so I still had my humor, 641 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: and the day of the press conference, I had nothing, 642 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: like I was just like life stocks. By the end 643 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 3: of that day, I found a song called New Attitude 644 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: by Patti LaBelle, and I was like dancing around. I'm like, oh, 645 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 3: he's back, Like you have those moments, and then like then, 646 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: and then I filmed the season two like yeah, you 647 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: can find the funny whilst still understanding the seriousness of it. 648 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 3: And I think that's for me, the thing that I 649 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: felt okay about, Like I'm so happy to if I 650 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 3: have it in myself, Like I'd never just force it 651 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 3: if I didn't have it, but like, as long as 652 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: I have it in myself, I'm very happy to be 653 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 3: that breath of relief from the heaviness of everything, like 654 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 3: to kind of go, oh god, this sucks. But it's 655 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: like here's something funny, Like I'm very happy to be 656 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 3: that person. But I would hate for anyone to think 657 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: that I'm just like taking the piss now, and. 658 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't come across like that at all. You are 659 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: one hundred percent the breath of fresh air that we 660 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: need right now. So it's Jeff, it's been a total 661 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: honor to have you on the podcast. Thank you so much. 662 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to pop all your details in the show notes, 663 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: and I want to put some stuff down about Workshop 664 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: Creative too, because I was so excited when I researched 665 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: your career and I was like, oh, yes, another creative. 666 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: So I think I think what you're doing is wonderful, 667 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: yes in the TikTok world, but also in your career 668 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: and passion world, so big kudos to you and Ashburg 669 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: creating something amazing and really nice to meet you as 670 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: my zoom you doo. That's a wrap on another episode 671 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you to our guests 672 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. 673 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: This potty my word for podcast is available on all 674 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rate 675 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 1: and comment and of course spread the love