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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Luke, Morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: But Luke, we do not health issue. Yeah, that's what's

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Speaker 1: Codie, Hey, we do know that. Obviously, this National Iyekak legislation,

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Speaker 1: it's due to be introduced as I understand it, or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be pretty broad ranging. Again, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's something that we've had as for a long time.

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Speaker 2: in fact our whole democracy. If we haven't got a

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Speaker 2: the next session of Parliament, and we're talking to all

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Speaker 1: Look, some would argue here in the Northern Territory. You

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Speaker 1: What would you say to territory instead of wondering if

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Speaker 1: this national body is going to you know, to be

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Speaker 1: a bit of a toothless tiger or uneffective.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're absolutely committed, as in federal labor, the current

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Speaker 2: we will be establishing a federal eykak. It's something that

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Speaker 2: Australians want, that's the right thing to do, but it

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Speaker 2: will inquire into what it believes needs to be inquired

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Speaker 2: into where they see potential corruption. And let's face it,

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Speaker 2: it's most important at the federal level because that's when

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the most amount of revenue being spent

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Speaker 2: I think it's a powerful tool. It's long overdue, it's

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Speaker 2: something that the Liberal and National Party's bought against. They're

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Speaker 2: we're going to put it through and we're talking to

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Speaker 2: final details. But as you said, Katie, tomorrow we'll be

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Speaker 2: discussing it from our labor outside the government side, from

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Speaker 2: our point of view, but it's going to be strong.

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Speaker 2: It's going to have teeth and if it's going to

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Speaker 1: Well, Luke Gosling, the federal member for Solomon, we appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time this morning, particularly at short notice. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having a chat with us, and we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you again very soon.

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Speaker 2: Perfect timing, Katie. The bells are going. I've got to

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Speaker 2: get the down of the chamber.

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Speaker 1: You're getting there. Good on you, Luke. Thank you