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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Sitdown.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ntrolope, a writer for oz open dot.

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Speaker 2: Com and I embraced you it from the AO Show

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Speaker 2: and I'm here filling in four viv Christi, who's currently

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Speaker 2: in Shanghai. So let's get started. Why are we sitting

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Speaker 2: down with Michael Chang this week?

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Speaker 1: Matt, Well, we've actually already sat down with him, but

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Speaker 1: we thought it would be cool to split out interview

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Speaker 1: with him that we did during the US hard court

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Speaker 1: season into two parts because a really cool thing about

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Speaker 1: Chang's career was his success in Asia. More than a

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Speaker 1: third of his career titles came in Asia. Amazing, yeah,

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Speaker 1: incredible record, and he had enormous support there, which he

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Speaker 1: talked about in the interview, and he won the very

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Speaker 1: first edition of the China Open, which was played in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. So we thought it might be cool

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Speaker 1: to get his thoughts on Asian tennis how the game

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Speaker 1: has grown in that region, working with Japan's Kane is Hikori,

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Speaker 1: and we thought we'd bring you out this week while

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Speaker 1: those players are all playing there. So here is the

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Speaker 1: other thing we wanted to chat to you about was

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Speaker 1: your success in Asia. You won twelve titles there. Looking

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Speaker 1: back at your history, why do you think he was

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Speaker 1: so successful there?

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Speaker 3: I mean Asia with for me, it was just, uh,

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Speaker 3: it was so easy to play and it didn't really

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Speaker 3: matter I guess to what part of Asia, whether I

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Speaker 3: to play me. I would say, uh, probably in China

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Speaker 3: and in Hong Kong, just because of the crowd support

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Speaker 3: that I got there, you know, and I it was crazy,

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Speaker 3: and it's even you know, it's it's tough to describe,

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Speaker 3: and in some instances it didn't really necessarily feel like

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Speaker 3: a tennis match because the crowd was was so you know,

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Speaker 3: was pulling for me. You know, my days over there

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Speaker 3: were we're pretty crazy just to go to go do

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Speaker 3: normal things. Actually was was very difficult, but it was

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Speaker 3: obviously very exciting at the same time. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I just think whenever you're you're in situation where you're

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Speaker 3: you and they're always behind you. For me, I really

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Speaker 3: enjoyed that I thrived on that, and you know, I

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Speaker 3: just played some of my some of my best tennis

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Speaker 3: you know, over in Asia, and you know, relatetionous the

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Speaker 3: opportunities to to always go back back in the day,

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Speaker 3: we used to actually go twice a year. Now actually

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Speaker 3: it's only once a year, but we used to go

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Speaker 3: twice a year, once in April and then coming back

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Speaker 3: quite a bit of time over there, you know, playing tournaments.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing how the calendar has changed. I guess the

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Speaker 1: Asian swing is still that septempoc tiber times post Us Open.

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Speaker 1: You won the first China Open in nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 1: and I think it was a completely different tournament than

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Speaker 4: Or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you remember about that tournament and what

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Speaker 1: tednis was like in China then, because that was very

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Speaker 4: Oh, it was very different. You know.

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Speaker 3: Now obviously you've got these uh, you know, these beautiful

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Speaker 3: I mean when I played, when I played in Beijing

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Speaker 3: it was probably been one of the first ones, and

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Speaker 3: it was played almost like in a almost like in

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Speaker 4: Not that big. It It probably only seeded maybe.

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Speaker 3: Maybe twenty five hundred people, you know, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: they didn't really have pure tennis facilities like they do now.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously we've we've had the Shanghai you know Masters,

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Speaker 3: You've got huge tournaments in different parts of of China.

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Speaker 3: So when I first came out, there were no tournaments

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Speaker 4: It took a little while, but they did a good job.

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Speaker 4: And and you.

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Speaker 3: Know, in fact, the uh you know, Michael Leveno, who

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, back in in in the day when I

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Speaker 1: I just had one other thing you made me think of,

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Speaker 3: Then there were Chinese players, they weren't certainly as well

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Speaker 3: of times they would be offered, you know, wild cards

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Speaker 3: don't think there were any that I can think of

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Speaker 4: Inside the top two hundred. I think, Yeah, Michael.

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Speaker 5: What have you made of the growth of tennis in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been exciting to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: And uh, interestingly enough, tennis actually among amongst.

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Speaker 4: Diplomats actually was very very popular back in my day.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I would have to go to events and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, this particular diplomat wants to play tennis, and

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Speaker 3: I'd be kind of taken back a little bit, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: And I get on the court and I mean, these

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Speaker 3: that they they know how to play, They've played for

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Speaker 3: for the general public, not that many people were playing tennis,

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Speaker 3: and so to be able to see tennis, you know,

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Speaker 3: And and obviously now you've got you know, quite a

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Speaker 3: few different academies. You've got academies that are being started

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Speaker 3: by you know, you know, by teams coming from Europe

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Speaker 4: It's a whole different ballgame.

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Speaker 3: So what what it was back then, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, it's uh, it's it's it's huge.

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Speaker 3: And you know, all these different provinces obviously are are

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Speaker 4: And it's great to see.

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Speaker 5: Chris Clary interview that Matt referenced earlier, you commented on

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Speaker 5: to cheats and he said, it's special because I played

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Speaker 5: a role in part of that and in helping some

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Speaker 5: In terms of your career legacy, how high does that sit?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean for me, it's I mean for me,

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Speaker 3: and I mean not not just in the States, but obviously,

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Speaker 3: You know, I've taken time to you know, introduce the

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Speaker 4: But I'm going to have you know, a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: Influence in in the in the Asia Pacific rim I'm

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Speaker 3: they're like, gosh, I'm looking and I'm seeing Michael in person.

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Speaker 3: He's really not that big, that much bigger than I am.

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Speaker 3: He's not that much stronger than I am. You know,

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Speaker 3: if he's able to go out there and be successful,

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Speaker 3: You know, in the United States, I I don't think

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Speaker 3: You you it's great to be smart, but it's even

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Speaker 3: more beneficial if you've got other other qualities or other

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Speaker 3: that can also you know, help you become more more

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Speaker 3: sports is also an unbelievable way to you know, to

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Speaker 5: Is it just a coincidence that in your coaching career

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Speaker 5: sha kori or was that something that you always targeted

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Speaker 3: I did actually target it. I did not actually seek

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Speaker 3: some good tennis Cecil Mammet, but there weren't a whole

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was you know, certainly.

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Speaker 3: A you know, exciting time and uh, you know for

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Speaker 3: me and and Amber, you know, our youngest daughter at

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Speaker 1: You mentioned obviously before Michael, you'll weed at Roland Garross.

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Speaker 1: So that was in nineteen eighty nine. Do you consider

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've had a lot of you know, great

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Speaker 3: I actually even won another Grand Slam, if I had

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Speaker 3: I don't know if if, if, if, that would be

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Speaker 4: I think I still think people.

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Speaker 3: Would know me for for the eighty nine victory, so,

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Speaker 4: I mean, there were just.

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Speaker 3: So many things going on that that it wasn't just

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Speaker 4: Those those couple of weeks amazing, Thanks so much. It

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Speaker 1: You've got great recall, so it was really great to

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Speaker 4: I really enjoyed that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's some aspects when you've when you've well,

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Speaker 3: you love tennis.

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Speaker 4: You're so passionate about it.

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Speaker 3: Some of these things are just still so so vivid

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Speaker 4: So amazing.

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Speaker 3: I'm going through a different phase now with tennis. But hopefully,

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Speaker 3: you know, hopefully I'll be back out on those Grand

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Speaker 4: That'll be uh, that'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: That'd be amazing.

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Speaker 5: It's wonderful that I love tennis so much. You must

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And my wife is a tennis player as well, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, tennis is really a sport for a lifetime

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Speaker 2: How interesting that just his performance through Asia and then

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Speaker 2: and those were my peak years of sitting with my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm a very similar age to you. I

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Speaker 1: Chang made the final that year. So I watched a

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Speaker 1: lot of his tennis then, and yeah, remember him through that,

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Speaker 1: through that era. So it's kind of cool to talk

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Speaker 1: you get to meet them, it's really little special. Yeah

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