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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: In the mornings, after I left work here, I went

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Speaker 2: to my coals, the different coals, this time in Sylvania,

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Speaker 2: just to do some more shopping, but also I'm curious

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Speaker 2: about the toilet paper thing. I wanted to see because

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Speaker 2: the coals in Sylvania it's got a wall of duney paper.

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Speaker 2: I know that because I used to shop there quite regularly.

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Speaker 2: It's got two rows and I thought, surely that will

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Speaker 2: have toilet paper and completely empty. Even those flashable wipe

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Speaker 2: things were going and I said, of went, well, that's strange,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. So I had to get petrol on my motorbike.

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Speaker 2: Stopped at the petrol station in the corner. There's about

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Speaker 2: six packs of thirty toilet rolls wrapped in you know,

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Speaker 2: those quid and love your Bums packs. I went, ah,

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Speaker 2: good's this and the lady said, yeah, they just came in.

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Speaker 2: I said, can I buy one of those?

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Speaker 1: How many?

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Speaker 2: There was about six of them in there.

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Speaker 1: But how many?

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Speaker 2: Six of them?

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Speaker 1: And I'd never normally buy thirty, would you?

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Speaker 2: But that's all that was the only option I had

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Speaker 2: to buy. And you know, I'm not like Moro on them.

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Speaker 2: Was going to take the whole lot. I just took

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Speaker 2: one pack. And also I was on my motorbike, So.

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Speaker 1: Did you put it on the back of your bike?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's no way I would have ever bought

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Speaker 2: toilet paper from a service station and I walked out

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Speaker 2: with it over my head like.

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Speaker 1: I just like a trophy. I was once over with

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Speaker 1: you at the Macquarie Center and a guy went past

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Speaker 1: and he had some toilet paper in a shopping trot

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Speaker 1: and you go.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing? What do you know? You know something?

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Speaker 1: Because normally it's embarrassing. Now it's a badge of wealth.

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Speaker 2: That's strange, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well. I read an article last night in the Guardian

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Speaker 1: newspaper as to why we do it because everyone's saying

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Speaker 1: people are idiots doing this, but there's a psychology behind it.

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Speaker 1: Behavioral scientists have written this article say, starting with why

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Speaker 1: toilet paper because it's seen as an essential product without

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Speaker 1: any ready substitute, sort of ripping up the phone book

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Speaker 1: and says, imagine if the water utility told you they

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Speaker 1: were cutting off water in your neighborhood for an undetermined period,

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Speaker 1: you'd there'd be a surge in water tank sales. People

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Speaker 1: would be filling up buckets, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Toilet paper is easily stockpiled, It doesn't deterior it's something

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Speaker 1: you will eventually use. Also, we have had a really

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Speaker 1: traumatic start to the year, so we feel powerless. Buying

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Speaker 1: toilet paper is an action that people can take now.

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Speaker 1: The media, particularly social media, has made people feel helpless

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Speaker 1: about the imminent arrival of coronavirus. So the virus has

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Speaker 1: all the characteristics that make it scary. It's novel, it's invisible,

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Speaker 1: we have no control. We're involuntarily exposed to the risk.

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Speaker 1: It makes us feel dread. We are personally vulnerable. So

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Speaker 1: while there is some guidance on what we can do

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Speaker 1: about washing our hands, the media constantly reminds us of

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Speaker 1: the relentless path that this disease is virus is forging

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Speaker 1: towards us. So buying toilet paper, says say these behavioral

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Speaker 1: scientists alleviate some of the anxiety and helps us feel

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Speaker 1: that we're gaining control. But why we stop piling, That's

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Speaker 1: what they're saying. And well, looking at social media, seeing

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Speaker 1: image after image of empty shelves signals to us that

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Speaker 1: this is a very important issue. The supermarket shelf sends

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Speaker 1: its own signals. Toilet paper is bulky when you remove it.

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Speaker 1: When there's packs of twenty and they're removed, the shells

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Speaker 1: look empty, and this triggers perceptions of scarcity. We are

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Speaker 1: programmed to respond to images of scarcity. Humans are finally

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Speaker 1: attuned to mourishing. Also what everyone else is doing, Even subconsciously,

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Speaker 1: most of us use what other people do as a

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Speaker 1: mental shortcut to decide what's appropriate behavior. If we're on shore,

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Speaker 1: so we see people st stockpiling toilet paper, that's always

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Speaker 1: seeing at the moment on our news, social media, in

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Speaker 1: the shops, our natural reaction is to do the same.

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Speaker 1: It's the same principle of social proof when you judge risk.

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Speaker 1: If you hear an alarm go off, the first thing

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Speaker 1: people will do is look around to see what others

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Speaker 1: are doing to decide if we need to take it seriously.

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Speaker 1: And everyone then reacts as they see other people reacting. So,

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Speaker 1: with experts and governments telling us about pandemic preparedness, we

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Speaker 1: need to be prepared. There's a widespread message that this

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Speaker 1: health crisis is coming. We see scarcity, we see other

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Speaker 1: people panic buying. Is it any surprise? This article says

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Speaker 1: that we start panic buying essentials. Even these behavioral researchers

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Speaker 1: who went to the shop to look at it bought

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Speaker 1: toilet paper. They said, stockpiling isn't needed, but we still

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Speaker 1: have the urge to do it. It's a primal animal

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Speaker 1: urge that we're being triggered in this way, and because

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Speaker 1: of social media and all of that, for the first time,

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Speaker 1: we're being triggered on this global scale. That's why we're

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Speaker 1: doing it.

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Speaker 2: I know it's this Plenty of coconut water is still available.

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Speaker 1: I soak my feet in it.

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Speaker 2: That's not running out anytime soon. That's very interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: So don't be hard on people if you see them

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Speaker 1: do it. They're responding to their basic feelings.

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Speaker 2: Look, just by one pack, thirty is enough. I looked

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Speaker 2: at that thirty. I don't think I've ever had that

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Speaker 2: many rolls of toilet paper in my house ever. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I Quilton loves your capacious bump and voracious bump.

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Speaker 2: Jonesy and Amanda morning Year as him