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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation author.

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Speaker 2: Chris Hammer is Australia's leading crime fiction writer. He wrote

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Speaker 2: the Martin Scarson series of novels, best sellers all around

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Speaker 2: the world, Scrublands being the first one in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: He sold over one million crime novels in just eight years.

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Speaker 2: And he's got a new one. Martin Scarsdale. Scarsdale, Scarsden

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Speaker 2: is back. The new book is a legacy and Chris

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Speaker 2: joins us now Hollo, Chris here is.

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Speaker 3: And we don't just have you on because you went

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Speaker 3: to university with Amanda.

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Speaker 1: We have you on because you're an exceptional author's mainly

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Speaker 1: just some sort of mates rates favorite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, going back to the days of the Claric Club, Chris.

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Speaker 4: That's right, but let's not mention that.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm still men the Claric class.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I joined the Claric Club, when I

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Speaker 2: first went to UNI, I'd never drunk red wine, and

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if it was wine. It was

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Speaker 2: pure vinegar. And years later my husband said, have a

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Speaker 2: glass of red wine. I said, that's not red wine.

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Speaker 2: That tastes quite nice. To realize red wine didn't have

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Speaker 2: to be vomitable every time.

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Speaker 4: Ship. We're all scarred, but we're all scarred by that experience.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Chris your books that I'm reading Legacy at the moment.

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Speaker 2: I know it's out next Tuesday. I've had an advanced

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Speaker 2: copy and I'm loving it. All The landscapes are so brutal.

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Speaker 2: It's hot, it's dry, there's drought, there's awful accommodation. What

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Speaker 2: do people overseas make of this so called outback noir?

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Speaker 4: Oh, they love it. And of course I've been in

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Speaker 4: the UK quite recently doing book events over there, and

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Speaker 4: many of them have the idea that the Outback starts

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Speaker 4: about fifty kilometers west of Sydney, and this one they're going, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is really sort of you know, full on, but

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Speaker 4: it is the Outback. It sets out on the Paru River,

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Speaker 4: which is a real place. It's about two hundred kilometers

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Speaker 4: west of Burke and the Parus a river that runs

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Speaker 4: from Queensland down into New South Wales, and then just

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Speaker 4: basically Peter's out. It doesn't really go anywhere because the

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Speaker 4: land is so flat, and that actually plays an important

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Speaker 4: partner story.

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Speaker 2: And so it never occurred to you to maybe make

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Speaker 2: a book and therefore a TV series around a hotel

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Speaker 2: in Hawaii or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: You know. Last night I interviewed an author, Salari Gentile.

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Speaker 4: She's done a retake on Murder on the Orient Express,

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Speaker 4: so she took the Orient Express from Paris to Venice.

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Speaker 4: And here I am staying in these sort of jog

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Speaker 4: box hotels out our back and I think made Did

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Speaker 4: I ever get that wrong?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Dream itself up a better place to go, because I

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Speaker 3: look at you Southwest and New South Walest is big.

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Speaker 3: But then when you go to Western Australia, and I

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Speaker 3: lived over there in Karatha, and I remember standing my

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Speaker 3: backyard at Karafa, my next doorable. We're just having a

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Speaker 3: bit of an emu bitter and a chat, and I said,

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Speaker 3: what happens if we walked out from our backyard now,

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Speaker 3: because we're in this suburban house right on.

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Speaker 5: The edge of pretty much the desert. And he said,

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Speaker 5: you could walk for six months and you wouldn't see anyone.

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Speaker 5: And the actual depth of the size of Australia said,

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Speaker 5: of course, you'd be dead in half an hour if

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Speaker 5: you walked on a hot day like today.

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Speaker 1: Wow, But it was just it's extraordinary. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: understand isn't it.

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Speaker 4: And and that the brutality of that landscape that comes

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Speaker 4: into this story and legacy because Martin finds himself. This

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Speaker 4: is the first Martin scars And book in five years,

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Speaker 4: I've come back to Martin and he finds himself in

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Speaker 4: exactly that sort of situation of being stuck out in

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Speaker 4: the middle of nowhere without a car and no water.

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Speaker 2: There it is where it is, don't you glad to

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Speaker 2: tell us what happens. I know I'm going to blow

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Speaker 2: the beginning out. The beginning from the beginning starts with

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Speaker 2: a huge explosion. It starts very dramatically. Where do you

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Speaker 2: dream this stuff up?

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Speaker 4: Chris?

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Speaker 2: Not from Clark Club, obviously.

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Speaker 4: Look, I don't know. I don't know. I think the

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Speaker 4: reason after I've done four other books with the police characters,

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Speaker 4: I'm in Luka to New Big Cannon. I wasn't sure

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Speaker 4: if I'd ever go back to Martin and Mandy. And

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Speaker 4: you know what, I think. I saw the TV series

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Speaker 4: and I thought, oh that boat. Yeah, he's interesting and

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Speaker 4: so and so I'm sure where it came from. This idea.

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Speaker 4: This is different though. Instead in the other books with Martin,

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Speaker 4: he kind of has more agency he's investigating murders this time,

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Speaker 4: as you say, he's launching a book. There's this big

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Speaker 4: bomb goes off. People are trying to kill him, so

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Speaker 4: he goes on the run. But he knows someone's trying

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Speaker 4: to kill him, but he doesn't know who, and he

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Speaker 4: doesn't know why. So he's really he's really struggling, if

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Speaker 4: you like one to survive, but to the work out

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Speaker 4: what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Intriguing. I'm looking forward to reading it.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever drawn any inspiration from Amanda obviously, Chris, Oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean Amanda has always been inspirational.

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Speaker 4: You know that is true.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's it. Yeah, sure, thank you to pin

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Speaker 1: up all of the thinking man.

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Speaker 2: Oh please, absolutely, Chris.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: The new book, Legacy is out next Tuesday, the thirtieth

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Speaker 3: of September.

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Speaker 1: Don't talk to Amanda because she'll spoil it and ruin it.

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Speaker 2: Oh blab it. But Chris, so lovely to talk to you,

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Speaker 2: and you think so much.

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Speaker 1: Carry on, Chris Hammery