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Speaker 1: I don't entertainment of anti put on your dance and shifts,

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Speaker 1: don't give me your.

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Speaker 2: Fast shots er time. That senter table is he Emma

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Speaker 2: Gillespie from The Daily Os, and it's all about Ellen DeGeneres.

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Speaker 3: Ow.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning. We are talking about Ellen DeGeneres

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Speaker 4: today because she's back in the headlines. She started a

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Speaker 4: brand new stand up show, so we haven't heard from

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Speaker 4: her in a little while. You might remember her show

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Speaker 4: wrapped up in September last year. Now that came after

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Speaker 4: allegations in twenty twenty two that Ellen was a bully,

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Speaker 4: that she had a toxic workplace around her on the

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Speaker 4: set of the Ellen Show. These allegations weren't just about Ellen,

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Speaker 4: they were about her colleagues, her senior executives. But we've heard,

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Speaker 4: sort of, in her own words, a more candid kind

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Speaker 4: of version of what went down. She says she got

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Speaker 4: kicked out of show business, that the ordeal took a

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Speaker 4: toll on her, took a toll on her ego in

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Speaker 4: this new stand up show. But before we get stuck

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Speaker 4: in to the new show, I want to remind you

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Speaker 4: a little bit of what went down back in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two. This is an interview she did at the

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Speaker 4: end of the show when they announced that the show

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Speaker 4: was going to be sort of finishing up after nineteen seasons.

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Speaker 4: What she said about the culture on set.

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Speaker 3: I do wish somebody would have come to me and said, hey,

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Speaker 3: something's going on that you should know about. But there's

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Speaker 3: no way that I could, you know. I wish, I

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Speaker 3: wish I knew, And of course people are thinking that

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Speaker 3: I should know, but it's not. There are not, you know,

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Speaker 3: fifty people here. There are two hundred and fifty five

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Speaker 3: people here, and I just I had no idea.

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Speaker 4: There were, of course, other attacks on who she was

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Speaker 4: as a person, and this is kind of how she

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Speaker 4: responded to that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if every single day I'm smiling and dancing,

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Speaker 3: I know that. You know, if I am having a

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Speaker 3: day where I'm walking around and I don't feel happy,

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Speaker 3: or if I'm looking down and I don't look someone

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Speaker 3: in the eye, does that mean I'm not kind? Does

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Speaker 3: it mean I'm a human being that has emotions and

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just no, I know that whether on that that

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Speaker 1: sounds quite reasonable, but apparently they were directives to not

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Speaker 1: look her in the face.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there was this BuzzFeed investigation that kind of

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Speaker 4: alleged that there was this really intimidating environment and that

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Speaker 4: it was sort of from the top down. But now

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Speaker 4: we're hearing from her in this show it's called Ellen's

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Speaker 4: Last Stand. Dot dot dot up to her, huh, and

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Speaker 4: she says it's going to be taped for a Netflix

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Speaker 4: special later this year. So she's performed first of all

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Speaker 4: to a really small crowd in LA two hundred fans

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Speaker 4: intimate show, no phone's allowed. And she said she used

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Speaker 4: to say she didn't care what other people thought of her,

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Speaker 4: and she realized it was such a waste of time

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Speaker 4: worrying about what other people thought. But she really did

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Speaker 4: worry about what other people thought. I think it took

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Speaker 4: a huge toll on her because that brand that she

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Speaker 4: had of kindness, of being kind. She's kind of implying

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Speaker 4: that there was a bit of a conspiracy, that it

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Speaker 4: was a sort of a coordinated attack against her, calculated

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Speaker 4: over this one summer that the show was off air,

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Speaker 4: that she didn't really have a ride of reply. But

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Speaker 4: who knows if she can recover from that. I don't

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Speaker 4: think we'll ever see her fully back in the capacity

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Speaker 4: she was in.

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Speaker 2: But do you think what I learned in this business?

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Speaker 2: You can't be something that you're not. And Ellen DeGeneres

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Speaker 2: I raid her. I think she's fantastic, one of the

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Speaker 2: greatest stand up comedians. I remember seeing her years ago

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Speaker 2: on the Johnny Carson Show and I thought she was

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Speaker 2: just amazing. My point is, though, if you're going to

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Speaker 2: say you're going to be kind, you're a kind person,

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Speaker 2: then you've got to be kind. Ellen is a prickly person.

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Speaker 2: She's always been a prickly person. That's part of her act.

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Speaker 2: So you can't. You can't suddenly just say I'm going

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Speaker 2: to be kind and saddle up to that and then

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Speaker 2: not be kind.

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Speaker 1: And you can't in this day and age, run a

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Speaker 1: big corporation like she did that has her name on

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Speaker 1: it and not be responsible for a lot of people

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Speaker 1: lost their jobs, executive producers, etc. Who were working just

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Speaker 1: underneath her. It wasn't like she was living in a

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Speaker 1: castle and everyone else was somewhere else. These are people

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Speaker 1: she worked with every day who created that terrifying environment

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Speaker 1: for everybody. You can't live up to what the public

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Speaker 1: wants you to be all the time. But as you say,

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Speaker 1: when your brand is kindness, and she was clearly not.

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Speaker 1: It's hard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. A lot of people were quite disappointed, I guess

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Speaker 4: in her response in those initial sort of weeks and

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Speaker 4: months when she kind of claimed that, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 4: there's three hundred people that work here, how can I

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Speaker 4: possibly know? But I think anyone who's worked in an

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Speaker 4: office environment, whether it's small or big, you know that

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Speaker 4: there's a certain tone that is set from the top.

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Speaker 4: And whether or not you know everyone's name in a

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Speaker 4: company of three hundred people, that's another thing. But surely

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Speaker 4: you can be a presence. You can be in people's

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Speaker 4: faces enough to kind of have them know what you're

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Speaker 4: really like, quote unquot.

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Speaker 2: You look at all the people that work here with us,

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Speaker 2: they all know exactly what we are.

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Speaker 1: It was about four of us exactly, and we know

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Speaker 1: exactly what you are, and yet we compensate every day.

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Speaker 4: The Tell All stand up show from Jonesy next year,

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Speaker 4: I've been canceled. Anyway. Ellen's been laying pretty low for

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Speaker 4: the last sort of year and a half. She's you know,

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Speaker 4: she made it a Discovery Channel doco about gorillas, which

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Speaker 4: I missed shockingly, But.

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Speaker 1: I think gorilla's in the mist YEP.

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Speaker 4: Gorilla's in the mist She's got some more shows on

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Speaker 4: the tour. She's traveling all through the US, so I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, she's on a slow burn towards crescendoing back

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Speaker 4: into public life after this controversy. But she won't be

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Speaker 4: wanting to give away too much. We've got that Netflix

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Speaker 4: special to look footward to towards the end of the year,

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Speaker 4: around September October. They're saying, but Netflix being very tight

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Speaker 4: lip to Ellen's people have been very very tight lips.

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Speaker 4: So we will have to wait and see if the

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Speaker 4: big kind lady will be back for good.

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Speaker 1: She's pretty kind lady, and she you know, she did

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Speaker 1: say how hard it was to dance upstairs. She said,

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Speaker 1: do you know how hard that is to dance upstairs?

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Speaker 1: Did it every day?

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Speaker 2: Because people want you to do that all the time,

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Speaker 2: you know. I imagine people say to Amanda, you go

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Speaker 2: doda dancing.

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Speaker 4: Anyone that bad at dancing and that committed to showing

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Speaker 4: themselves being that bad at dancing has to have some

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Speaker 4: kind of bone of good humor and kindness in their body.

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Speaker 2: I reckon the bone of kindness. Tak Emma, thank you.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next Monday.

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Speaker 4: Thank you,