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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of abusive tech messages comments for

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Speaker 1: Well, Luke, we are going to have to get ready

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Speaker 1: Well. We will be keeping a close eye on things.

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Speaker 1: Luke Gosling, the Member for Solomon, thanks very much for

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, thank you