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Speaker 1: Ruth night. We do seem to have lost her, so

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Speaker 1: Morning Katie. Now, Ruth, we know that this year's survey

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Speaker 1: And so what have you like, what are you hearing

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I pulled out some stats this morning and

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly Ruth. Where can people go If there is

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Speaker 2: So you know, I've got a post in in there

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Speaker 2: on how many times have been affected and twenty percent

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Speaker 2: of people have been here eleven or more times just

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Speaker 2: in the last twelve months.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's astonishing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you look about one point five million

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Speaker 2: dollars which could be better reinvested into business, yet it's

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Speaker 2: being spent on repairs, damages or security by one point

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Speaker 2: five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Goodness me. Well, Ruth, please keep in contact with us,

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Speaker 1: let us know once that that survey closes, just how

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Speaker 1: how many do take part and what kind of feedback

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Speaker 1: you received. Really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Thanks so much, Katie, Thank you